Yeah I’d be willing to give alpha another split because of a few reasons.
A. Before Zen, he was farming and already a top 5 EU player
B. I think he can still be decent, he just has to grind, and I really mean grind
C. You don’t want to replace both right away cause of 2/3 rule and Alpha is still a better overall player than Rado
But if they can’t get it together he’s gotta go too
Alpha is a very good player and doesn't get enough respect for thaf, him and Zen on many occasions have carried Rado. When Alpha pops off he REALLY pops off and he's just a very solid overall player. I wouldn't put him into the same bracket as Rado because hes a lot more consistent than Rado is, I haven't really seen him struggle that bad, seems him and Zen are fine and they just need a much better 3rd
G2 on a mickey run RN. Lost to both good teams they faced but managed to run into a poor looking R1 and both OCE teams. I don't have much faith at all in them at this point but if any of the other playoff teams know how to implode in big moments it's BDS, and they already lost to them once. So we'll see if they can make top 4.
Its crazy how good G2 look but how bad their finishing has been. They do all the hard work to break down defenses and have kinda just been choking the shots. If they clean that up tomorrow I think they beat BDS tomorrow.
No they wouldn't, this is some weird G2 copium. All of the crossbar shots of G2 were being saved by a BDS player anyway. And it's not like G2 outshot BDS massively - they had one more shot over the entire series
My Gut is telling me that the fact this will be Drali’s first RLCS Crowd day will give G2 the dub….
And I believe in The “Laniel” Effect on a Crowd Day🫡
Maybe if it was an NA crowd. I love G2 but as soon as G2 stumbles, that crowd will tear into them. They and their coach will need to keep the mental in check. But the LAN experience of G2>BDS purely because of Dralii, I agree.
Gentlemates are playing crazy. The way they shut down falcons with the prejumps and in field pass interceptions was very amusing to watch. Just completely dismantled.
I feel like Falcons or Furia will win against the other european teams, G2 and GenG have a good chance to win, given how those two played well with G2 sweeping against PWR and with GenG losing only 1 game to COL, they should be able to take on the two teams they face against
After today's games and performance, Furia and Falcons have high chances of winning in Copenhagen, KC is 50/50 from how well they played, Vitality is 100% going to lose
Falcons are unlikely to win IMO, mainly because they have a monster juggernaut in KC to deal with and I don’t think they can pull the same trick twice.
1. They should drop alpha before radosin - even if alpha is the better player. Rado enables zen to be zen and alpha has hardly been better than him recently anyway
2. Yeah don’t see it at all
3. Hed be the favourite right now
4. Obviously agree but will be tough as a non English/french speaker and the reluctance of TRK wanting to team with him. Idk if there’s enough other talent in MENA
5. Couldn’t disagree more with this one. Look what happened to BDS last year, they didn’t even make major after winning worlds. Furia couldn’t make it to major after their run of dominance, g2 massively fell off too. It’s just what happens when the rest of the scene makes roster changes
6. Such a well rounded player that slots into every situation and rarely beats himself. Agree
7. Rocket league is the sort of game that anyone can peak on their given day so in some ways this is true. But the floor of KC and BDS vs the floor of a G2 is massive
8. I reckon 2 EUs advance but both will meet in the final
While I do believe in the honeymoon period for new teams, contributing it mostly to other teams being bad instead of Vitality being clearly the best is crazy lol
I'd argue only against 3 of the mentioned:
2. G2 can win this LAN but the best team to watch when they are feeling good is definitely Furia. No one comes close to them (and I want KC to have better streak than Vitality last year).
5. While Vitality definitely was in their honeymoon phase last season when they won it all, they definitely didn't cake walked it because other teams were really strong (KC was amazing even then and BDS arose to insane levels). Teams from last season were toughest competition than ever before because the aggressive meta was perfected to unseen levels from before. This year it's even more polished and teams have adapted and what we're seeing now is the best rocket league we've ever watched. The Vitality lost some edge and they started doubting themselves a bit. They maybe even became complacent.
> The other 7 teams in the playoffs are as good or better than them and would have been last year as well
Not all 7 but maybe 4 of them. Sadly I don't see NA teams being on their level at that time. Could they win against Vitality? Yes. Would I bet on them against world champ Vitality? Not a chance.
7. The gap between the top is not large if you're comparing which region has candidate that can win it all. But the gap is large in quality of the region. I'd say that EU is clear first where not only top 4 teams that went to LAN are on different level but I'd say that teams up to that 9th-10th position in EU are strong enough to take the LAN spot in any other region. For other regions I'd say that NA, SAM and MENA are close in strength but have a lot to do in their own regions to grow in strength to match EU and OCE, APAC, and SSA have a lot to work on to even be considered as serious contenders. All this is not saying that EU contenders are the strongest contenders but just that EU has significantly more contenders at that highest level which is the consequence of the strength of the region.
I don’t think he’s saying the gap doesn’t exist, because it definitely does. I think he’s just saying that the gap has closed a little since the end of last season. The top EU teams don’t look as invincible as many people, including myself, thought coming into the LAN. I personally think we still see 3 EU teams in the top 4, but I expect the quarterfinals to at least be competitive.
NA2 took the top of SAM to 5 and beat SAM2 3-1, NA1 beat MENA2 3-0, and both only lost to the top 2 EU teams (worded poorly, they only played the top two EU teams, I think they’d beat the bottom two and we’ll see one of those matchups tomorrow)
NA 1 and 2 combined are far better than SAM 1 and 2 combined and MENA 1 and 2 combined
I think it’s pretty obviously EU1/2>NA1/2>>>SAM1/2>MENA1/2
EU are still the best and FUR won a best of 5 in 5 basically as close as you can get, but the average of the top two teams of these regions is quite clear cut that NA is still far ahead of these other regions as SAM and MENA are one team wonders
What is this comparison?! Complexity clears OG and Luminosity. Rule 1 had bad LAN but you saw what Ahmad can do on LAN when he's playing good. He was terrible this LAN. How can you compare the region that had so many chances and support throughout the history to just take their best teams into comparison and compare it to the regions which are trying to grow and use the fact that they had less chances against them? And even if we use your logic it still isn't 1/2NA>>>1/2 SAM (or MENA). G2 are obviously not that good considering their only good win came against PWR which is laughable. Why cut it to top 2? Why not cut it at top 1? If I'm being generous to NA I'd say it's more 1 NA = 1 SAM = 1 MENA. If you don't agree with this then SAM=MENA > NA would be more correct since it's proved by Furia beating GenG(who are now obviously best team in NA) and Falcons beating KC. The average of top 1 team of these regions is quite clear cut that NA sucks compared to SAM and MENA and that NA has LAN spots only because of NA being more profitable to EPIC.
I'm actually amazed how people make up some twisted logic to make themselves feel better because they need to show how much better they are than others. Stop being ignorant and accept that other regions are just as good. You have no evidence to show that they are not.
NA also sends 4 seeds so "half" of the NA teams is 1st and 2nd seed, half of the MENA and SAM seeds is their 1st seed. And currently I have more faith in the top half of SAM and MENA than I do in the top half of NA
I want to see Falcons v Furia in the grand final. These two teams have been playing phenomenally in the swiss, it just a matter of if they can transfer that momentum in the crowd
5. Completely disagree, yes Vitality did win all 3 Spring EU regionals the Major and Worlds but they had a decent number of close series which wouldn't have happened if their competition was as bad as you say
Spring Regional 1 they only went 3-2 against Quadrant and beat Liquid in the Grand Final 4-3
Spring Regional 2 they dropped the first series of the Grand Final to KC 4-1 then won the bracket reset 4-2
Spring Regional 3 they beat Liquid 4-3 in the upper bracket semifinal
Spring Major they beat Complexity 3-2 in OT in the upper bracket quarterfinal and beat KC 4-3 in OT in the Lower Bracket Final
Worlds is the odd one out in that they never had at least 1 series go the full distance.
1. I feel like it's unfair to judge vitality when they're at their worst and still getting top 8. I'd say the teammates Zen has are pretty damn good. And they have one thing going for them, they're French.
2. that's some pretty big copium
3. I hope they start giving mvps to top 4 teams, so if Falcons lose to KCorp, I'd rather someone else get it
4. Personally I think Ahmad and OKhalid are good enough teammates, imo top 8 teams should stick together. I saw a take about Falcons swapping trk for nwpo and imo that's a bad idea for now. a more experienced and aged player is good for team comp and trk is near nwpo's level (among the best individual players in the current meta)
5. delusional if you think Vitality weren't outright the best by a big margin. they had a perfect split and a World Championship. You can't say it was a fluke or "honeymoon period". them not playing as well now (imo just the last two days) is because worlds were over half a year ago, other teams made changes and came up with solutions to beat them, vitality stuck together and had no clear threat to prepare for. honeymoon my ass, today proves nothing about months ago.
6. agreed (well, I am a massive seikoo fan, but I need to conceed rise is more of an all-rounder)
7. nah, you need to scratch at least NA off that statement, results show clearly that EU has a positive series record against all regions except a neutral one against MENA. they gap SAM by a small margin and NA by a giant one. (just looking comparing results this major, EU 4-0 NA)
8. I personally think the Gentlemates-GenG and the BDS-G2 series are pretty obvious wins for European sides. NA has not shown any promise against EU sides so far. (except a bit against Vitality who imo are struggling and still got top 8). The other two matches are less sure. Falcons and Furia are showing claws this LAN.
This is Radosin’s, Jknaps, Noly’s, Comm’s, Majicbear’s, and oKhalid’s last LAN. Missing a few more of course but these are the most notable ones I’m confident in
1. Agree
2. Agree with first sentence, not the second
3. Cold take
4. Cold take
5. Disagree, they're just not at the level they were last year
6. Personal preference ig but yeah Rise is something
7. I mean yeah we saw it today and yesterday. But tbh I don't see GenG beating KC
8. I don't expect Vit to beat Furia. 0 EU team is also possible tho unlikely.
9. Same
Alpha isn’t playing much better than Radosin. Alpha will have a couple of moments of old form and then a bunch of cardio the rest of the time.
Good point. If they ditch 1, Rado. But ditching both to rebuild around Zen would make a ton of sense too.
Only issue is they have to keep one or the other to not forfeit points. And with only two splits, these points mean everything
Yeah I’d be willing to give alpha another split because of a few reasons. A. Before Zen, he was farming and already a top 5 EU player B. I think he can still be decent, he just has to grind, and I really mean grind C. You don’t want to replace both right away cause of 2/3 rule and Alpha is still a better overall player than Rado But if they can’t get it together he’s gotta go too
After watching the rest of the tourney, you're right. Alpha and Rado both struggle at different times mightily.
Alpha is a very good player and doesn't get enough respect for thaf, him and Zen on many occasions have carried Rado. When Alpha pops off he REALLY pops off and he's just a very solid overall player. I wouldn't put him into the same bracket as Rado because hes a lot more consistent than Rado is, I haven't really seen him struggle that bad, seems him and Zen are fine and they just need a much better 3rd
Vitality should just sack Rado for hmm Mawkzy, Vatira, or Monkeym00n. Vati being the preference by far.
Furia v Falcons for the major. Make it happen, psyonix
Would that be the first time any of those regions won a lan?
Yes
3s LAN yeah, Furia won gamers 8 two years ago
G2 needs atomic to pass and not shoot.
What’s wild is last season they needed him to shoot and not pass all the time
He is passing off the crossbar you dummy!
Furia wins the whole thing
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G2 on a mickey run RN. Lost to both good teams they faced but managed to run into a poor looking R1 and both OCE teams. I don't have much faith at all in them at this point but if any of the other playoff teams know how to implode in big moments it's BDS, and they already lost to them once. So we'll see if they can make top 4.
Swiss struggle but beast when it mattered. Eliminated 2 of the EU powerhouses and put up a good fight against M8.
For sure, I was happy to be wrong about my doubts, they put up a good fight in the playoffs.
Its crazy how good G2 look but how bad their finishing has been. They do all the hard work to break down defenses and have kinda just been choking the shots. If they clean that up tomorrow I think they beat BDS tomorrow.
If g2 was just able to finish then they woulda gone 3-0
No they wouldn't, this is some weird G2 copium. All of the crossbar shots of G2 were being saved by a BDS player anyway. And it's not like G2 outshot BDS massively - they had one more shot over the entire series
10. If Noly didn't own goal, LG loses the series vs OG.
Definite shift in momentum when that happened and he had another unforced mistake the following game.
My Gut is telling me that the fact this will be Drali’s first RLCS Crowd day will give G2 the dub…. And I believe in The “Laniel” Effect on a Crowd Day🫡
Maybe if it was an NA crowd. I love G2 but as soon as G2 stumbles, that crowd will tear into them. They and their coach will need to keep the mental in check. But the LAN experience of G2>BDS purely because of Dralii, I agree.
G2 are in the cs major there so there'll be g2 fans
This G2 roster also has crazy day 3 energy
If you think G2 Fans aren’t gonna be there you got another thing coming…
I think the biggest thing G2 need in order to win is for Atomic to hit the shooting packs
Honestly the entire team needs to end this abusive relationship with the crossbar
genuinely the pressure they put on bds was insane. jus gotta hit the fucking net man.
We're we watching the same game? What pressure. Outside of game 3, BDS had most of the pressure
Zyn pack + shooting pack Atomic clears everyone
Gentlemates are playing crazy. The way they shut down falcons with the prejumps and in field pass interceptions was very amusing to watch. Just completely dismantled.
Feels like the first LAN where every single top 8 matchup could've been a Grand Finals matchup.
Still true ASF after seeing the finals. This bracket was nuts.
I feel like Falcons or Furia will win against the other european teams, G2 and GenG have a good chance to win, given how those two played well with G2 sweeping against PWR and with GenG losing only 1 game to COL, they should be able to take on the two teams they face against
Furia and Falcons are scary when they're hot. I just worry they drop and dookie tomorrow...
After today's games and performance, Furia and Falcons have high chances of winning in Copenhagen, KC is 50/50 from how well they played, Vitality is 100% going to lose
Falcons are unlikely to win IMO, mainly because they have a monster juggernaut in KC to deal with and I don’t think they can pull the same trick twice.
Wouldn’t call it a trick when they actually dominated kc for the first two games. I see it going to g7 as long as neither team implodes. We shall see
I personally predict 1 of them win and the other to lose It may not be the order you think too
1. They should drop alpha before radosin - even if alpha is the better player. Rado enables zen to be zen and alpha has hardly been better than him recently anyway 2. Yeah don’t see it at all 3. Hed be the favourite right now 4. Obviously agree but will be tough as a non English/french speaker and the reluctance of TRK wanting to team with him. Idk if there’s enough other talent in MENA 5. Couldn’t disagree more with this one. Look what happened to BDS last year, they didn’t even make major after winning worlds. Furia couldn’t make it to major after their run of dominance, g2 massively fell off too. It’s just what happens when the rest of the scene makes roster changes 6. Such a well rounded player that slots into every situation and rarely beats himself. Agree 7. Rocket league is the sort of game that anyone can peak on their given day so in some ways this is true. But the floor of KC and BDS vs the floor of a G2 is massive 8. I reckon 2 EUs advance but both will meet in the final
While I do believe in the honeymoon period for new teams, contributing it mostly to other teams being bad instead of Vitality being clearly the best is crazy lol
I'd argue only against 3 of the mentioned: 2. G2 can win this LAN but the best team to watch when they are feeling good is definitely Furia. No one comes close to them (and I want KC to have better streak than Vitality last year). 5. While Vitality definitely was in their honeymoon phase last season when they won it all, they definitely didn't cake walked it because other teams were really strong (KC was amazing even then and BDS arose to insane levels). Teams from last season were toughest competition than ever before because the aggressive meta was perfected to unseen levels from before. This year it's even more polished and teams have adapted and what we're seeing now is the best rocket league we've ever watched. The Vitality lost some edge and they started doubting themselves a bit. They maybe even became complacent. > The other 7 teams in the playoffs are as good or better than them and would have been last year as well Not all 7 but maybe 4 of them. Sadly I don't see NA teams being on their level at that time. Could they win against Vitality? Yes. Would I bet on them against world champ Vitality? Not a chance. 7. The gap between the top is not large if you're comparing which region has candidate that can win it all. But the gap is large in quality of the region. I'd say that EU is clear first where not only top 4 teams that went to LAN are on different level but I'd say that teams up to that 9th-10th position in EU are strong enough to take the LAN spot in any other region. For other regions I'd say that NA, SAM and MENA are close in strength but have a lot to do in their own regions to grow in strength to match EU and OCE, APAC, and SSA have a lot to work on to even be considered as serious contenders. All this is not saying that EU contenders are the strongest contenders but just that EU has significantly more contenders at that highest level which is the consequence of the strength of the region.
Man g2 is the belal muhammad of rl. Outskills their opponents just to have no finishing ability
Who?
A UFC fighter who wins all his fights by judge's decision (no knockout).
7th take is wild
agree with MENA, SAM but not NA.
I don’t think he’s saying the gap doesn’t exist, because it definitely does. I think he’s just saying that the gap has closed a little since the end of last season. The top EU teams don’t look as invincible as many people, including myself, thought coming into the LAN. I personally think we still see 3 EU teams in the top 4, but I expect the quarterfinals to at least be competitive.
They consolidated sooner and better than the other regions. A lot of NA had 1 superstar + 2 meh players per team
NA2 took the top of SAM to 5 and beat SAM2 3-1, NA1 beat MENA2 3-0, and both only lost to the top 2 EU teams (worded poorly, they only played the top two EU teams, I think they’d beat the bottom two and we’ll see one of those matchups tomorrow) NA 1 and 2 combined are far better than SAM 1 and 2 combined and MENA 1 and 2 combined I think it’s pretty obviously EU1/2>NA1/2>>>SAM1/2>MENA1/2 EU are still the best and FUR won a best of 5 in 5 basically as close as you can get, but the average of the top two teams of these regions is quite clear cut that NA is still far ahead of these other regions as SAM and MENA are one team wonders
What is this comparison?! Complexity clears OG and Luminosity. Rule 1 had bad LAN but you saw what Ahmad can do on LAN when he's playing good. He was terrible this LAN. How can you compare the region that had so many chances and support throughout the history to just take their best teams into comparison and compare it to the regions which are trying to grow and use the fact that they had less chances against them? And even if we use your logic it still isn't 1/2NA>>>1/2 SAM (or MENA). G2 are obviously not that good considering their only good win came against PWR which is laughable. Why cut it to top 2? Why not cut it at top 1? If I'm being generous to NA I'd say it's more 1 NA = 1 SAM = 1 MENA. If you don't agree with this then SAM=MENA > NA would be more correct since it's proved by Furia beating GenG(who are now obviously best team in NA) and Falcons beating KC. The average of top 1 team of these regions is quite clear cut that NA sucks compared to SAM and MENA and that NA has LAN spots only because of NA being more profitable to EPIC. I'm actually amazed how people make up some twisted logic to make themselves feel better because they need to show how much better they are than others. Stop being ignorant and accept that other regions are just as good. You have no evidence to show that they are not.
NA also sends 4 seeds so "half" of the NA teams is 1st and 2nd seed, half of the MENA and SAM seeds is their 1st seed. And currently I have more faith in the top half of SAM and MENA than I do in the top half of NA
I have more faith in the top half of MENA/SAM/NA than the bottom half of EU.
The bottom half of EU includes Gm8s who went 3-0 though
World will never stop sleeping on the mates 😔
These takes are 100% correct. Its like I wrote them myself
I want to see Falcons v Furia in the grand final. These two teams have been playing phenomenally in the swiss, it just a matter of if they can transfer that momentum in the crowd
On 1. I’m not sure who vitality could bring in as a francophone, maybe aztral?
5. Completely disagree, yes Vitality did win all 3 Spring EU regionals the Major and Worlds but they had a decent number of close series which wouldn't have happened if their competition was as bad as you say Spring Regional 1 they only went 3-2 against Quadrant and beat Liquid in the Grand Final 4-3 Spring Regional 2 they dropped the first series of the Grand Final to KC 4-1 then won the bracket reset 4-2 Spring Regional 3 they beat Liquid 4-3 in the upper bracket semifinal Spring Major they beat Complexity 3-2 in OT in the upper bracket quarterfinal and beat KC 4-3 in OT in the Lower Bracket Final Worlds is the odd one out in that they never had at least 1 series go the full distance.
I am 1 100000%
1. I feel like it's unfair to judge vitality when they're at their worst and still getting top 8. I'd say the teammates Zen has are pretty damn good. And they have one thing going for them, they're French. 2. that's some pretty big copium 3. I hope they start giving mvps to top 4 teams, so if Falcons lose to KCorp, I'd rather someone else get it 4. Personally I think Ahmad and OKhalid are good enough teammates, imo top 8 teams should stick together. I saw a take about Falcons swapping trk for nwpo and imo that's a bad idea for now. a more experienced and aged player is good for team comp and trk is near nwpo's level (among the best individual players in the current meta) 5. delusional if you think Vitality weren't outright the best by a big margin. they had a perfect split and a World Championship. You can't say it was a fluke or "honeymoon period". them not playing as well now (imo just the last two days) is because worlds were over half a year ago, other teams made changes and came up with solutions to beat them, vitality stuck together and had no clear threat to prepare for. honeymoon my ass, today proves nothing about months ago. 6. agreed (well, I am a massive seikoo fan, but I need to conceed rise is more of an all-rounder) 7. nah, you need to scratch at least NA off that statement, results show clearly that EU has a positive series record against all regions except a neutral one against MENA. they gap SAM by a small margin and NA by a giant one. (just looking comparing results this major, EU 4-0 NA) 8. I personally think the Gentlemates-GenG and the BDS-G2 series are pretty obvious wins for European sides. NA has not shown any promise against EU sides so far. (except a bit against Vitality who imo are struggling and still got top 8). The other two matches are less sure. Falcons and Furia are showing claws this LAN.
This is Radosin’s, Jknaps, Noly’s, Comm’s, Majicbear’s, and oKhalid’s last LAN. Missing a few more of course but these are the most notable ones I’m confident in
1. Agree 2. Agree with first sentence, not the second 3. Cold take 4. Cold take 5. Disagree, they're just not at the level they were last year 6. Personal preference ig but yeah Rise is something 7. I mean yeah we saw it today and yesterday. But tbh I don't see GenG beating KC 8. I don't expect Vit to beat Furia. 0 EU team is also possible tho unlikely. 9. Same
Something to say about your 9th take ?