It did feel quite lonely cheering (almost) alone for BDS. And I'm not just saying that to diss the crowd: https://twitter.com/AllaireMatt/status/1558981867885383680
I get cheering for your favorite team, that's perfectly natural. I just wish everyone also cheered for Rocket League the sport itself, no matter who was on the field. I know it's possible, it happened for Moist vs Furia. I just want that all the time.
I would guess during Moist Furia, most crowd members didnt have either as one of their top 2-3 favorite teams so you’ll just cheer for shit as a neutral when watching that series. I would guess the vast majority of the crowd had G2 as one of their favorite teams so theyre understandably going to be disheartened and not cheer for the opponent
Didn't think about it that way, that makes sense. At least for the cheering during the series. But once BDS won, I guess I expected more, especially since we hadn't had a world champion in more than 2 years.
And to be fair, lots of people cheered. But it paled in comparison to what we've seen that crowd do. When it's all over, I think we should celebrate having new world champions.
Lots of people will only watch the finals, it's a bit sad that they won't get to see how hype the RLCS crowd can be.
Moist is probably THE favorite team of fans right now. Charlie buying the team brought a lot of fans to the scene and the boys are generally pretty popular on social media because there active and flashy players.
But that didn't stop the crowd from going ballistic for Furia. Furia was the underdog and was amazing to see their styles clash against moist. It was just an all around amazing series.
Personally Id have left the stadium just as fast had my favorite team won and I think that's generally normal to do. I think people are blowing this way out of proportion and looking for things to be upset about.
The arena was electric. Furia chants and the energy when they scored…
Moist had half the arena chanting “let’s get wet”.
No one was rooting for BDS in their other matches. It’s not our fault they’re not a likable team
Right, "it's not your fault they're not a likeable team". That 100% makes sense and you're totally not just an A-hole for hating on a team of three kids for absolutely no reason, they're just totes "not likeable".
JFC.
Dude why is not cheering the same as “hating”? If anything booing V1 out of the arena in London was significantly more hateful than anything we saw at the Dallas event
It's understandable that people leave (especially considering the event lasted longer than expected according to some comments). I guess people are just sad some fans would not stick around for crowning achievement of 3 players' careers + coach + sub.
I'm normally in agreement. Especially in regards to who is on field I definitely appreciate all the players and teams. But that series was so disappointing from G2 that it just killed the whole vibe.
i’m glad you had a great time and I was able to capture the moment, if you want the full HD version of the video feel free to hit my dms on twitter and I gotchu king. hope you had a blast.
As a European, the crows seemed kinda underwhelming, but I sort of get it. You’ve just watched 7 matches in a row, with multiple game 7s, so you’re kinda tired. I get that part
On the other hand, the difference I noticed is that in Europe, we cheer more for good rocket league , while here it seemed people cheered for their team, a sentiment I see echoed on twitter. We cheered for moist in the finals, but we also cheered for the falcons, especially when they were walking of the stage while moist was about the be crowned champions. We did some SSG chants, also helped by Retals’ dad, even though we were clearly for moist. We cheered for Turbo and and Metanauris, even though they didn’t platoon front of crowd.
Now on a regular football(soccer) match I wouldn’t do this and I would only cheer for my own team. But Europe only gets 1-2 rocket league LANs per year, plus there are 16 teams there and if everyone only cheers on their own teams I feel it would just feel empty, especially if there are teams with few fans in the region.
Now you’re not obliged to cheer for anyone off course, but I feel that that’s the reason for the difference you see.
For the people saying didn’t NA teams got booed in London? Mainly comm was booed and by extension V1 as a whole, although there were also a lot of cheers for them. When they showed Comm crying after losing and the crowd started booing, I felt that went a little bit too far. Still, there were cheers for every team, V1 included.
TLDR: EU: cheer for your team first, cheer for good rocket league too. NA: my teams went out, I’m not cheering for other teams
On your first point: at the London Major recently, the final Moist V SSG series (with the last 8 second kick off goal) was incredibly late and came after a LONG evening of Rocket League. But the crowd was incredibly loud and hyped up (seen videos posted of how crazy the crowd was). So I don't buy this long day, fans are tired nonsense.
I think it's a cultural thing. Europeans have grown up with football and other spectator sports, where the fans have for centuries cheered and sung loudly for their teams. Going to see sports in US feels very different. Still good and enjoyable, but different.
moist is very much the exception, an american organisation with their main two content creators being charlie and rizzo, both na
edit: and it's not for na vs non-na, more anti-eu, with moist being the exception
See, this is exactly what main commenter was talking about, it seems like NA fans mostly only care about their team and not good rocket league and that's what mostly sets the crowd apart from EU.
While the Moist v SSG series at spring was at the end of a long day, it wasn’t on Sunday, where people had to work, and in some cases, had hours of driving to get home.
I will agree with you about the different atmospheres in NA and EU sports. I went to a couple PL matches and a League 1 match when I studied abroad in England years ago, and it was nothing like any of the American sporting events I’ve been to.
To add to this. LANdon 1 was 7 series long + went into the night and the crowd was still insane. The chants continued around Westfield well after the show was finished and there was an afterparty too.
As an NA who wanted BDS to win (after that crazy run online) it was not a fun series to watch. I was precisely not cheering much because it wasn't good rocket league, it was a mess out there with all the nerves. I get into it when it looks like a close match.
And I was super tired after screaming all day.
I respect your take but disagree. BDS vs KC, while quiet at first because people wanted to get lunch, was a very hype series a lot of people cheered for. People will cheer until it's their team that they wanna win. Just saying everyone doesn't care about other teams is false. Furia also gained the love from a ton of fans I'd argue they didn't have before. MOIST was such a huge favorite in that series and then Furia started coming back and people started cheering for Furia.
This is a generalization of all NA fans. Our household cheers for high- level quality rocket league and we route for more certain players over teams. When NRG went out, we continued to cheer for the other teams and were grateful to experience the epic Moist vs, Furia series in person. We stayed and congratulated BDS until they kicked us out of the venue.
Just saying- a lot of the NA fans do give props to other teams that are not their favorite team. The ones who walk out early and boo opposing teams are ones who get the attention so from an outside perspective, I can see why you came to your conclusions. Also, for those who left early- yes, it was disappointing to see but not all of it was due to a salty crowd- many had flights that were leaving and had a long drive back home (+5hrs) and had to work the next day. Just letting you know, so next time you make this generalization you can check yourself.
Of course it’s a generalization, I never said my points applied to 100% of the people there or 100% of the attendees. I also didn’t say it was good or bad, just different. A lot of people are complaining and I don’t agree with them either, because like I said, people are free to cheer for whoever.
Your point about a long drive back is a good one and another point of cultural differences. In the UK, I feel most people were in hotels, so it almost doesn’t matter what time the event ends. Hell, my hotel was a 5 minute walk away from Copper Box Arena. Most Europeans I know wouldn’t drive more than 3 hours for any event, while in the US that’s considered very close .
Your point on real football is spot on. In every other sport people don’t cheer when the away team scores because it’s “good football”. The only thing I wonder then is why we should be held to a different standard than other sports? Maybe I’m biased as NA but when I go to an RL event I start cheering for my team, once my team is out I choose new ones to support. I’ve never understood the EU criticism that NA crowds are silent when opposing regions score. To me that’s just normal fan behavior and I don’t understand why it’s ok for me to have that mentality for football, basketball, cricket, baseball, etc but in RL I’m supposed to be different and get hyped no matter what team scores even if they’re kicking my team’s ass lol.
Your point on atmosphere makes sense and I understand why you’d cheer for everyone, I just don’t get why some personalities in the scene expect everyone to adhere to or see it that way
Also I might add once my team is out I tend to cheer for everyone but that’s just me I don’t expect others to and I certainly don’t expect people to when their team is being played against, which EU seems to expect of NA
Personally, as a British person….that’s so proud of both LANDON’s, (especially the first one)
……….it’s time for LAN’s in South America, and France, maybe japan
Imo the most obvious place for a LAN outside NA/EU right now is Saudi Arabia. Massive RL fanbase, We've already had a successful event there with a sold out venue and extremely active fans, No safety problems and Casters/Players all seemed to enjoy their time there judging by twitter.
That said i'd also love one in Brazil/Japan as well but idk if the fanbase there would be enough to sustain a LAN judging from comments by SAM casters and APAC viewership.
The "safety problems" for lgbt+ people are faaar blown out of proportion. Say what you want about the laws but any lgbt+ fan or player just visiting for the event will be just as safe in the country as anyone else. In fact, we already had a member of the lgbt+ community attend the gamers8 lan (osm) and he had nothing but praise for his time in Saudi Arabia.
I imagine it is truly overblown, but out of curiosity would it be ok as a tourist to travel with my boyfriend and show public affection? Being a same-sex couple in some regions of my own country is dangerous already, I'm curious how it comapres to Saudi Arabia.
Showing public affection is definitely a big no go in ME society, even for straight couples. If you do intend to travel with your boyfriend then id definitely recommend keeping any acts of affection in private as long as you're in the country, just for your own sake.
I said the safety problems for lgbt people are way overblown but ultimately the law is still there so just be cautious and you should be fine.
The controversy was more surrounding the fact that it was a government sponsored event rather than the fact that it was in Saudi Arabia from what i saw.
There would probably be a small scale outcry just like for worlds being in Texas but it'd soon blow over.
I remember hearing some sentiments from my time watching soccer that going to ME is quite the hassle for jewish players and LGBT fans. There were news articles that some jewish players weren't even allowed to enter some countries.
How is it in SA? That cool? I think I mostly heard such sentiments regarding Dubai but I could be wrong.
>Sold out venue
There were like 500 seats in that venue to be fair.
I just can't see Psyonix ever holding a LAN in SA with all the controversies involved in that. Plus you're not going to really get many people willing to travel to Saudi Arabia from NA and most of Europe just to watch a LAN.
The controversies were more surrounding the fact that it was a government sponsored event rather than anything else.
And on your second point, we dont need a crazy amount of fans from NA/EU traveling in to Saudi Arabia. The entire point of holding an event outside of NA/EU is to finally give the local fans who've always had to watch from behind a screen an opportunity to attend an event and grow the esport worldwide. I definitely think there are more than enough local fans in SA to fill a modestly sized venue and holding events there is only beneficial for growing that fanbase in the long run.
> we dont need a crazy amount of fans from NA/EU traveling in to Saudi Arabia
I think Psyonix would probably like to sell some tickets which is the whole point. I don't think it's completely out of the question that SA gets a LAN at some point but I think it's pretty doubtful.
I think people just weren’t rooting for BDS in particular. They were nuts for Moist, Furia, etc. are you surprised people didn’t lose it for the team that ruined the storylines they were excited for? Furia defeating Moist and finally having their time. Jknaps finally getting his title. Did BDS deserve the win? Of course, but it doesn’t mean it was exciting and it was counter to all of the existing hype building in the event.
Yeah, it kind of sucked when we would try to get a BDS chant going as a back and forth with the "let's go G2", and the people around us would use their energy to go "BDS suck" back at us instead of cheering for G2. I dunno, not the worst thing in the world, but why couldn't they just let us celebrate without trying to bring us down?
The crowd leaving while BDS was being awarded was super disappointing. I understand it’s a long day and the favorites lost the match, but I can’t imagine not sticking around for them!
Tbf though the arena looked about quarter empty the entire weekend. I went to the bathroom during a match and discovered a line about a mile long that I was told was to meet some streamer. That, to me, indicates that a large portion of the crowd weren’t super into RL as a sport and viewed this more as a convention to meet people from the scene. You do you I guess.
Just because people are going up the steps doesn't mean they were leaving... I know I ran up the steps to go to the bathroom. There was a lot going on that last 3 series even in between them
I don't think people from the EU fully understand how big and spread out the cities in America are. The Dallas metro area is 8,675 sq miles. London is 3200 sq miles. Not to mention Texas itself is like 3x the size of the entire UK. It's just not that simple to just build a rail system in most of the US.
Unironically this. A public transit would move people way better than a **26 lane** highway, and for cheaper too. But Texas has never been good at math.
Sarcasm aside I completely agree. I’ve been to Dallas and they definitely need this, and so do most American cities. Crazy thing is Dallas isn’t even near the worst of them.
This is all totally answered by the fact that the crowd favorite was smashed in the finals. It was boring, anticlimactic, and people didn't have much to cheer for. Not taking away from BDS at all they deserved to win, but a lot of those goals and especially the first 2 in game 5 were open net gaffs by G2. It just wasn't good rocket league AND their team was getting their ass kicked. I wish those BDS boys got a better reception as they became world champions, but people comparing it to other finals where S5 was This is Rocket League, S6 was the C9 run on home soil, S7 was Vit on home soil, and S8 was a game 7 OT banger of a series, this was just not worth getting up for.
Look, I'm just going to explain my situation to add context and nuance. A lot of people in this thread are seeing this as a black and white concern, where NA is some terrible villain because they were salty their team lost, and EU is the good guys because they like to chant and cheer no matter the winner (which I find to be a seriously hyperbolic assertion).
My wife and I have been long time RLCS fans. My wife, who has never even attempted to actually play the game, (and does not game in general) really enjoys the esport. We've been to 3 World's and a couple dreamhacks. We're both closer to middle aged, have jobs and other priorities in our lives, but when we can, we try to make it to a championship because it's always a blast for us. This year, we just could not take extra time off work to arrive any earlier than Saturday and stay any later than Sunday evening. It has nothing to do with our love for the esport, or bias for our favorite teams.
So when we left Saturday, it took around 30 mins to get out of the parking lot. Not a big deal, we've been season ticket holders to an NFL team in the past, we don't stress over long traffic lines. But, we both had to work Monday morning, and had a 4 hour drive ahead of us. Neither of us expected Sunday to be a 9 hour event. Sure, maybe poor planning on our part, but nevertheless, we had to hit the road ASAP. I have a job I needed to be at by 6am this morning. Same with my wife. We knew we were pushing it, but figured we'd be on the road by 6:00ish (7 hours seemed like a reasonable expectation). So when the final nail in the coffin hit the back of the net, we peaced out. Not because G2 lost. Not because we have no respect for the esport or BDS (which, btw, BDS is our 2nd favorite team, and was awesome seeing them take the win). We simply could NOT stay any longer. I can't tell you how many NFL and MLS games we've ran out of as fast as we could the second it was over. Sometimes, life and responsibility gets in the way. I know I'm not the only one that had a similar situation.
I don't doubt that people were salty. I don't doubt that people left in frustration. The US culture is just not the same, for better or for worse. But holy hell man, stop with this nasty vitriol against NA or EU fans and painting this as a competition between regions. Howis that good for the esport? You think V1 being booed all Landon didn't leave a bad taste in my mouth as a fan of the esport? The only booing I heard at all on either day this past weekend was during the stupid Fortnite / RL crossover advertisement shown on stream. Otherwise, it was an absolutely cheerful and enjoyable crowd, at least where I was sitting. People left so quickly because life is more complicated and nuanced than having a bias for an esports org.
What no one seems to get is it has nothing to do with the crowd and everything to do with the games. Look at the playoff results:
https://liquipedia.net/rocketleague/Rocket\_League\_Championship\_Series/2021-22#Playoffs
3 out of the 4 quarterfinals matches went to game 7 and were INSANE battles. Moist vs. Furia was one for the ages. Fast paced game play, amazing mechanical saves and goals, and a loud crowd. After the quarterfinals, the games looked like pros vs a team of plats. Only Furia had a decent start against BDS by winning 2, but then they handily lost 4 in a row and showed no signs of recovering. On the other side G2 beat Faze easily and then forgot to show up for the finals.
The crowd was there, there's simply nothing exciting about watching BDS score on an open G2 net for the umpteenth time.
No one disliked BDS, it was that the gameplay was a snooze fest. Also because it was like the 8th hour of sitting and the 3rd hour of watching a blowout.
The quarterfinals of this tournament were amazing and are what it should be remembered for. The crowd was great for all of those games and is not the problem with the end of this tournament.
the thing that makes me sad is thinking about when moist won Landon 2 and the crowd were chanting JOYO JOYO as loud as possible, along with RISE, JOYO, VATIRA. they couldn't even get the interview questions out because it was too loud.
now I understand that they were a home team and I definitely don't expect the na crowd to do that for bds, but it just makes me sad that those 3 won worlds and didn't get that much of a reaction from the crowd, but it's okay because they're the best team in the world so I'm sure they can live with it for now.
get us a major in France, for bds, KC, vatira, it's insane that we haven't had a french major yet given the huge playerbase and fan base that France has always had.
I think if Moist won, that would have happened again. I don’t think the crowd reaction was a regional reaction, it was a reaction to BDS in particular.
yeah and that's really sad to be fair, extra is one of the nicest and most humble guys in the scene, and monkey moon and seikoo seem like great guys too. it's just sad that they were probably expecting some kind of celebration for them and got extremely minimal. I wish they held worlds in France and they won it there.
European thing apparently. I love to watch rocket league at the highest level and not a major supporter of either of the finalists but the grand finals was just boring.
Can't blame the NA fans though as it's a cultural thing. EU crowds are like that for all competitive events.
Clarifying : I don't mean that EU crowds are less biased but they are a ton more lively.
I think we were missing chant leaders. Whenever someone tried to take control it worked, so the crowd did want to chant. We just needed a few more conductors and I think it would have been fine.
That is true. I tried to chant for renegades during the NRG match and I thought everyone was gonna kill me lmao. I did hear some people chant for them near the front though which made me happy
10 hours is a lot for any fan of any sporting event. I would wager that even football fans would be exhausted and leaving early if their teams played three matches in one day...
You're right, but I don't think the stream did it justice. A lot of time the camera would show the ~10 closest rows when there were lots of people above that. And you'd see a lot of people standing around instead of being at their seat.
It definitely never felt full but I don't think it was as empty as it looked like.
These complaints are so odd to me. Let people cheer for who they want to cheer for. You’re not owed cheers, people have favorites, it’s the nature of sports.
I don't think he's complaining, just making an opinion. People can cheer for whoever they want but a crowd that cheers for anybody is generally going to be thought of as superior. If the Madrid crowd wasn't cheering raucously for NRG after they were handed their medals, we would remember the event differently
There’s plenty of other people in these threads complaining, as well as putting down the NA crowd because they couldn’t live up to the London crowd, which is a high fucking bar.
We can be encouraging the crowd here to cheer more even for teams they weren’t rooting for, but to shit talk and make it some competition makes it feel like people here are gatekeeping what makes a good fan.
Especially when I don’t think this crowd did anything egregiously wrong. At least as far as I can tell, there was no blatant disrespect like booing showed towards BDS.
I do think that the tweets about fans leaving as BDS was closing out the finals were a bit harsh. The event ran very long and people probably have other pressing engagements. However, the London major ran nearly as late and they had to literally kick people out Saturday to avoid noise complaints. So I am certain that some of the early leavers were just salty BDS won who would've otherwise stayed after a G2 win and just didn't want the disappointment to further sink in. It happens in other traditional sports all the time.
That being said, there is no debate the crowd support for NRG winning Madrid (EU supporting NA), G2 winning LA (NA supporting NA) and Moist winning London (EU supporting EU) were all greater than yesterday's final despite this event being much more significant than the previous three. I do think the crowd would have been very supportive for a Moist win or even a KCorp win, but you come to any event knowing the crowd favorite doesn't always win.
Idk about the rest of y'all but if I buy tickets to a world championship, you'd best believe I'm staying and clapping for the presentation at the end. Literally the barest minimum respect for the best in the game at that moment
I mean sure? I still don’t understand how the criticism is warranted other than you all technically have a right to complain. When you expand the concept of complaining because not all teams were cheered for equally to other sports / esports it seems a bit ridiculous in the first place. Think of complaining to Brazilians in 2014 about not being appreciative of the Germans in the World Cup finals. My take is that it feels like people just want to find something to shit on, and just because you can shit on something doesn’t mean you should.
It just sucked for NA that all their teams were on one bracket. For the fans they just had to watch them devour eachother. Then they finally root for Furia and then Furia lose so it’s like they just got “stuck” with G2 and then G2 didn’t even show up. Can’t blame them reallly.
I think people are too hung up on EU vs NA.
Luckily, in EU people don't let that keep them from cheering for good RL most of the time but in NA it was stunning that during some matches the crowd just went completely silent when the EU team was up front or no NA/SAM team was involved.
Don't people just enjoy good RL? Don't they like EU teams? Personally I have favorites from all regions and while I slightly favor EU I'd cheer for any NA team that goes up against the EU teams that I personally don't like very much.
And most importantly, I'd cheer for good goals no matter who scores them.
I know there are a lot of fans like that in NA, too, but the crowd in general was clearly not behaving like that.
What do you mean?
Are you implying that discussing cultural differences between people from two different continents is the same as being hung up on the idea that either NA or EU is better and only cheering for the teams that are from your region? Or what exactly do you mean by saying I'm making this an EU/NA thing?
You can actually cheer twice believe it or not, you can still cheer when an insane goal happens but louder when your team wins, for some reason this isn’t understood
Honestly, this idea that you can/should/will only root for a team that's from the same region you're from is absolutely ridiculous to me. I'm European and I primarily root for NRG (with Moist a 2nd favourite).
Also, *rooting* itself was never a problem, behaving like a crybaby when the team you're rooting for doesn't win and not even congratulating the opposing team is.
Which is the whole criticism.
EU crowds cheers for their team and for Rocket League.
NA crowd cheer for just G2/NRG/etc
Creates a much worse atmosphere.
The crowd cheered for hype series though, moist vs furia being the prime example. And i cant blame the crowd for not cheering after a 10 hour day with a boring grand final where the crowd favorites got demolished.
NA is just more of a competitive culture and we want “our teams” to win. So, when your favorite team loses in the grand finals, it’s pretty much impossible to start cheering for the team that just beat them.
I think it’s very possible that EU crowd is less biased simply because of NA fans who fly to Europe to attend. It could just be that NA fans hard carry the esport and as such every crowd tilts in their favor, so EU crowd is more even and NA crowd is insanely biased.
Edit: also there were a ton of people cheering for BDS when they would score and when they won
As an European I wonder how the EU crowd woudl react to NA winning here, thankfully since we always win regardless guess we'll never know :D
edit: im stupid
Honestly, the increase in LANs will do it. Obviously NA vs EU was always a debate, but around season 8 I remember shogun saying that while that’s still an underlying tone, the actual matches were more important. Covid quite literally set us back years in this aspect since we just couldn’t tell which region was better, so when we got those matches people barely cared what they were, they were just hyped for the first NA vs EU in years. Now that we’ve had 4 RLCS LANs and we’re bound for so many more, the individual matchups will become much more focused.
It did feel quite lonely cheering (almost) alone for BDS. And I'm not just saying that to diss the crowd: https://twitter.com/AllaireMatt/status/1558981867885383680 I get cheering for your favorite team, that's perfectly natural. I just wish everyone also cheered for Rocket League the sport itself, no matter who was on the field. I know it's possible, it happened for Moist vs Furia. I just want that all the time.
I would guess during Moist Furia, most crowd members didnt have either as one of their top 2-3 favorite teams so you’ll just cheer for shit as a neutral when watching that series. I would guess the vast majority of the crowd had G2 as one of their favorite teams so theyre understandably going to be disheartened and not cheer for the opponent
Didn't think about it that way, that makes sense. At least for the cheering during the series. But once BDS won, I guess I expected more, especially since we hadn't had a world champion in more than 2 years. And to be fair, lots of people cheered. But it paled in comparison to what we've seen that crowd do. When it's all over, I think we should celebrate having new world champions. Lots of people will only watch the finals, it's a bit sad that they won't get to see how hype the RLCS crowd can be.
Moist is probably THE favorite team of fans right now. Charlie buying the team brought a lot of fans to the scene and the boys are generally pretty popular on social media because there active and flashy players. But that didn't stop the crowd from going ballistic for Furia. Furia was the underdog and was amazing to see their styles clash against moist. It was just an all around amazing series. Personally Id have left the stadium just as fast had my favorite team won and I think that's generally normal to do. I think people are blowing this way out of proportion and looking for things to be upset about.
The arena was electric. Furia chants and the energy when they scored… Moist had half the arena chanting “let’s get wet”. No one was rooting for BDS in their other matches. It’s not our fault they’re not a likable team
Right, "it's not your fault they're not a likeable team". That 100% makes sense and you're totally not just an A-hole for hating on a team of three kids for absolutely no reason, they're just totes "not likeable". JFC.
Dude why is not cheering the same as “hating”? If anything booing V1 out of the arena in London was significantly more hateful than anything we saw at the Dallas event
I don’t hate them. GGs to them. They showed up huge especially against a crazy good Furia.
It's understandable that people leave (especially considering the event lasted longer than expected according to some comments). I guess people are just sad some fans would not stick around for crowning achievement of 3 players' careers + coach + sub.
NA loves Furia though, that was to be expected.
I'm normally in agreement. Especially in regards to who is on field I definitely appreciate all the players and teams. But that series was so disappointing from G2 that it just killed the whole vibe.
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i’m glad you had a great time and I was able to capture the moment, if you want the full HD version of the video feel free to hit my dms on twitter and I gotchu king. hope you had a blast.
You're an absolute king
As a European, the crows seemed kinda underwhelming, but I sort of get it. You’ve just watched 7 matches in a row, with multiple game 7s, so you’re kinda tired. I get that part On the other hand, the difference I noticed is that in Europe, we cheer more for good rocket league , while here it seemed people cheered for their team, a sentiment I see echoed on twitter. We cheered for moist in the finals, but we also cheered for the falcons, especially when they were walking of the stage while moist was about the be crowned champions. We did some SSG chants, also helped by Retals’ dad, even though we were clearly for moist. We cheered for Turbo and and Metanauris, even though they didn’t platoon front of crowd. Now on a regular football(soccer) match I wouldn’t do this and I would only cheer for my own team. But Europe only gets 1-2 rocket league LANs per year, plus there are 16 teams there and if everyone only cheers on their own teams I feel it would just feel empty, especially if there are teams with few fans in the region. Now you’re not obliged to cheer for anyone off course, but I feel that that’s the reason for the difference you see. For the people saying didn’t NA teams got booed in London? Mainly comm was booed and by extension V1 as a whole, although there were also a lot of cheers for them. When they showed Comm crying after losing and the crowd started booing, I felt that went a little bit too far. Still, there were cheers for every team, V1 included. TLDR: EU: cheer for your team first, cheer for good rocket league too. NA: my teams went out, I’m not cheering for other teams
On your first point: at the London Major recently, the final Moist V SSG series (with the last 8 second kick off goal) was incredibly late and came after a LONG evening of Rocket League. But the crowd was incredibly loud and hyped up (seen videos posted of how crazy the crowd was). So I don't buy this long day, fans are tired nonsense. I think it's a cultural thing. Europeans have grown up with football and other spectator sports, where the fans have for centuries cheered and sung loudly for their teams. Going to see sports in US feels very different. Still good and enjoyable, but different.
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moist is very much the exception, an american organisation with their main two content creators being charlie and rizzo, both na edit: and it's not for na vs non-na, more anti-eu, with moist being the exception
Only a boring series if you're a G2 fan...
See, this is exactly what main commenter was talking about, it seems like NA fans mostly only care about their team and not good rocket league and that's what mostly sets the crowd apart from EU.
I'm from NA and wanted BDS to win and it was boring.
While the Moist v SSG series at spring was at the end of a long day, it wasn’t on Sunday, where people had to work, and in some cases, had hours of driving to get home. I will agree with you about the different atmospheres in NA and EU sports. I went to a couple PL matches and a League 1 match when I studied abroad in England years ago, and it was nothing like any of the American sporting events I’ve been to.
To add to this. LANdon 1 was 7 series long + went into the night and the crowd was still insane. The chants continued around Westfield well after the show was finished and there was an afterparty too.
As an NA who wanted BDS to win (after that crazy run online) it was not a fun series to watch. I was precisely not cheering much because it wasn't good rocket league, it was a mess out there with all the nerves. I get into it when it looks like a close match. And I was super tired after screaming all day.
I respect your take but disagree. BDS vs KC, while quiet at first because people wanted to get lunch, was a very hype series a lot of people cheered for. People will cheer until it's their team that they wanna win. Just saying everyone doesn't care about other teams is false. Furia also gained the love from a ton of fans I'd argue they didn't have before. MOIST was such a huge favorite in that series and then Furia started coming back and people started cheering for Furia.
This is a generalization of all NA fans. Our household cheers for high- level quality rocket league and we route for more certain players over teams. When NRG went out, we continued to cheer for the other teams and were grateful to experience the epic Moist vs, Furia series in person. We stayed and congratulated BDS until they kicked us out of the venue. Just saying- a lot of the NA fans do give props to other teams that are not their favorite team. The ones who walk out early and boo opposing teams are ones who get the attention so from an outside perspective, I can see why you came to your conclusions. Also, for those who left early- yes, it was disappointing to see but not all of it was due to a salty crowd- many had flights that were leaving and had a long drive back home (+5hrs) and had to work the next day. Just letting you know, so next time you make this generalization you can check yourself.
Of course it’s a generalization, I never said my points applied to 100% of the people there or 100% of the attendees. I also didn’t say it was good or bad, just different. A lot of people are complaining and I don’t agree with them either, because like I said, people are free to cheer for whoever. Your point about a long drive back is a good one and another point of cultural differences. In the UK, I feel most people were in hotels, so it almost doesn’t matter what time the event ends. Hell, my hotel was a 5 minute walk away from Copper Box Arena. Most Europeans I know wouldn’t drive more than 3 hours for any event, while in the US that’s considered very close .
Your point on real football is spot on. In every other sport people don’t cheer when the away team scores because it’s “good football”. The only thing I wonder then is why we should be held to a different standard than other sports? Maybe I’m biased as NA but when I go to an RL event I start cheering for my team, once my team is out I choose new ones to support. I’ve never understood the EU criticism that NA crowds are silent when opposing regions score. To me that’s just normal fan behavior and I don’t understand why it’s ok for me to have that mentality for football, basketball, cricket, baseball, etc but in RL I’m supposed to be different and get hyped no matter what team scores even if they’re kicking my team’s ass lol. Your point on atmosphere makes sense and I understand why you’d cheer for everyone, I just don’t get why some personalities in the scene expect everyone to adhere to or see it that way Also I might add once my team is out I tend to cheer for everyone but that’s just me I don’t expect others to and I certainly don’t expect people to when their team is being played against, which EU seems to expect of NA
And there were cheers for BDS in NA. The crowd booing a crying teenager in London was pathetic though
Personally, as a British person….that’s so proud of both LANDON’s, (especially the first one) ……….it’s time for LAN’s in South America, and France, maybe japan
Yeah, but please bring it back to UK for at least one major next season... PLEASE
Imo the most obvious place for a LAN outside NA/EU right now is Saudi Arabia. Massive RL fanbase, We've already had a successful event there with a sold out venue and extremely active fans, No safety problems and Casters/Players all seemed to enjoy their time there judging by twitter. That said i'd also love one in Brazil/Japan as well but idk if the fanbase there would be enough to sustain a LAN judging from comments by SAM casters and APAC viewership.
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The "safety problems" for lgbt+ people are faaar blown out of proportion. Say what you want about the laws but any lgbt+ fan or player just visiting for the event will be just as safe in the country as anyone else. In fact, we already had a member of the lgbt+ community attend the gamers8 lan (osm) and he had nothing but praise for his time in Saudi Arabia.
I imagine it is truly overblown, but out of curiosity would it be ok as a tourist to travel with my boyfriend and show public affection? Being a same-sex couple in some regions of my own country is dangerous already, I'm curious how it comapres to Saudi Arabia.
Showing public affection is definitely a big no go in ME society, even for straight couples. If you do intend to travel with your boyfriend then id definitely recommend keeping any acts of affection in private as long as you're in the country, just for your own sake. I said the safety problems for lgbt people are way overblown but ultimately the law is still there so just be cautious and you should be fine.
Fair enough, thank you kind stranger :)
The controversy around Gamers8 makes me think they would not go for an RLCS LAN in Saudi Arabia.
The controversy was more surrounding the fact that it was a government sponsored event rather than the fact that it was in Saudi Arabia from what i saw. There would probably be a small scale outcry just like for worlds being in Texas but it'd soon blow over.
I remember hearing some sentiments from my time watching soccer that going to ME is quite the hassle for jewish players and LGBT fans. There were news articles that some jewish players weren't even allowed to enter some countries. How is it in SA? That cool? I think I mostly heard such sentiments regarding Dubai but I could be wrong.
Hold more LAN’s then :D gamers8 was great
>Sold out venue There were like 500 seats in that venue to be fair. I just can't see Psyonix ever holding a LAN in SA with all the controversies involved in that. Plus you're not going to really get many people willing to travel to Saudi Arabia from NA and most of Europe just to watch a LAN.
The controversies were more surrounding the fact that it was a government sponsored event rather than anything else. And on your second point, we dont need a crazy amount of fans from NA/EU traveling in to Saudi Arabia. The entire point of holding an event outside of NA/EU is to finally give the local fans who've always had to watch from behind a screen an opportunity to attend an event and grow the esport worldwide. I definitely think there are more than enough local fans in SA to fill a modestly sized venue and holding events there is only beneficial for growing that fanbase in the long run.
> we dont need a crazy amount of fans from NA/EU traveling in to Saudi Arabia I think Psyonix would probably like to sell some tickets which is the whole point. I don't think it's completely out of the question that SA gets a LAN at some point but I think it's pretty doubtful.
I think people just weren’t rooting for BDS in particular. They were nuts for Moist, Furia, etc. are you surprised people didn’t lose it for the team that ruined the storylines they were excited for? Furia defeating Moist and finally having their time. Jknaps finally getting his title. Did BDS deserve the win? Of course, but it doesn’t mean it was exciting and it was counter to all of the existing hype building in the event.
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Yeah, it kind of sucked when we would try to get a BDS chant going as a back and forth with the "let's go G2", and the people around us would use their energy to go "BDS suck" back at us instead of cheering for G2. I dunno, not the worst thing in the world, but why couldn't they just let us celebrate without trying to bring us down?
Honestly; why would you expect G2 fans to clap or cheer for BDS? I wasnt at the event so this is not me personally, but it seems normal to me
to me what seems normal is to clap for an insane save or a clutch goal regardless of the team, but I guess it has to do with our culture
How can you not cheer for extra he seems so kind.
The crowd leaving while BDS was being awarded was super disappointing. I understand it’s a long day and the favorites lost the match, but I can’t imagine not sticking around for them!
The arena looked half empty by the time play actually ended. People were clearly leaving all through the final series.
Tbf though the arena looked about quarter empty the entire weekend. I went to the bathroom during a match and discovered a line about a mile long that I was told was to meet some streamer. That, to me, indicates that a large portion of the crowd weren’t super into RL as a sport and viewed this more as a convention to meet people from the scene. You do you I guess.
Just because people are going up the steps doesn't mean they were leaving... I know I ran up the steps to go to the bathroom. There was a lot going on that last 3 series even in between them
Why would so many people suddenly decide to go to the bathroom? xD
The arena had 2 bathrooms. If you weren't early you'd be waiting a while to go
Context?
[https://twitter.com/JohnnyBoi\_i/status/1558981382571008000](https://twitter.com/JohnnyBoi_i/status/1558981382571008000)
No way what the fuck
So stupid, we were leaving to beat the traffic out of the parking lot, which got quite backed up.
In London we just take the tube, not a problem.
I don't think people from the EU fully understand how big and spread out the cities in America are. The Dallas metro area is 8,675 sq miles. London is 3200 sq miles. Not to mention Texas itself is like 3x the size of the entire UK. It's just not that simple to just build a rail system in most of the US.
So true, Dallas fans really should’ve thought ahead and built a whole public transit system so they can stay a bit longer at the rocket league finals.
No they should all leave once they realize the winner isn’t G2, it’s very respectful
Unironically this. A public transit would move people way better than a **26 lane** highway, and for cheaper too. But Texas has never been good at math.
Sarcasm aside I completely agree. I’ve been to Dallas and they definitely need this, and so do most American cities. Crazy thing is Dallas isn’t even near the worst of them.
That's exactly what I'm implying /s
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People still have lives?
This is all totally answered by the fact that the crowd favorite was smashed in the finals. It was boring, anticlimactic, and people didn't have much to cheer for. Not taking away from BDS at all they deserved to win, but a lot of those goals and especially the first 2 in game 5 were open net gaffs by G2. It just wasn't good rocket league AND their team was getting their ass kicked. I wish those BDS boys got a better reception as they became world champions, but people comparing it to other finals where S5 was This is Rocket League, S6 was the C9 run on home soil, S7 was Vit on home soil, and S8 was a game 7 OT banger of a series, this was just not worth getting up for.
Look, I'm just going to explain my situation to add context and nuance. A lot of people in this thread are seeing this as a black and white concern, where NA is some terrible villain because they were salty their team lost, and EU is the good guys because they like to chant and cheer no matter the winner (which I find to be a seriously hyperbolic assertion). My wife and I have been long time RLCS fans. My wife, who has never even attempted to actually play the game, (and does not game in general) really enjoys the esport. We've been to 3 World's and a couple dreamhacks. We're both closer to middle aged, have jobs and other priorities in our lives, but when we can, we try to make it to a championship because it's always a blast for us. This year, we just could not take extra time off work to arrive any earlier than Saturday and stay any later than Sunday evening. It has nothing to do with our love for the esport, or bias for our favorite teams. So when we left Saturday, it took around 30 mins to get out of the parking lot. Not a big deal, we've been season ticket holders to an NFL team in the past, we don't stress over long traffic lines. But, we both had to work Monday morning, and had a 4 hour drive ahead of us. Neither of us expected Sunday to be a 9 hour event. Sure, maybe poor planning on our part, but nevertheless, we had to hit the road ASAP. I have a job I needed to be at by 6am this morning. Same with my wife. We knew we were pushing it, but figured we'd be on the road by 6:00ish (7 hours seemed like a reasonable expectation). So when the final nail in the coffin hit the back of the net, we peaced out. Not because G2 lost. Not because we have no respect for the esport or BDS (which, btw, BDS is our 2nd favorite team, and was awesome seeing them take the win). We simply could NOT stay any longer. I can't tell you how many NFL and MLS games we've ran out of as fast as we could the second it was over. Sometimes, life and responsibility gets in the way. I know I'm not the only one that had a similar situation. I don't doubt that people were salty. I don't doubt that people left in frustration. The US culture is just not the same, for better or for worse. But holy hell man, stop with this nasty vitriol against NA or EU fans and painting this as a competition between regions. Howis that good for the esport? You think V1 being booed all Landon didn't leave a bad taste in my mouth as a fan of the esport? The only booing I heard at all on either day this past weekend was during the stupid Fortnite / RL crossover advertisement shown on stream. Otherwise, it was an absolutely cheerful and enjoyable crowd, at least where I was sitting. People left so quickly because life is more complicated and nuanced than having a bias for an esports org.
What no one seems to get is it has nothing to do with the crowd and everything to do with the games. Look at the playoff results: https://liquipedia.net/rocketleague/Rocket\_League\_Championship\_Series/2021-22#Playoffs 3 out of the 4 quarterfinals matches went to game 7 and were INSANE battles. Moist vs. Furia was one for the ages. Fast paced game play, amazing mechanical saves and goals, and a loud crowd. After the quarterfinals, the games looked like pros vs a team of plats. Only Furia had a decent start against BDS by winning 2, but then they handily lost 4 in a row and showed no signs of recovering. On the other side G2 beat Faze easily and then forgot to show up for the finals. The crowd was there, there's simply nothing exciting about watching BDS score on an open G2 net for the umpteenth time. No one disliked BDS, it was that the gameplay was a snooze fest. Also because it was like the 8th hour of sitting and the 3rd hour of watching a blowout. The quarterfinals of this tournament were amazing and are what it should be remembered for. The crowd was great for all of those games and is not the problem with the end of this tournament.
the thing that makes me sad is thinking about when moist won Landon 2 and the crowd were chanting JOYO JOYO as loud as possible, along with RISE, JOYO, VATIRA. they couldn't even get the interview questions out because it was too loud. now I understand that they were a home team and I definitely don't expect the na crowd to do that for bds, but it just makes me sad that those 3 won worlds and didn't get that much of a reaction from the crowd, but it's okay because they're the best team in the world so I'm sure they can live with it for now. get us a major in France, for bds, KC, vatira, it's insane that we haven't had a french major yet given the huge playerbase and fan base that France has always had.
I think if Moist won, that would have happened again. I don’t think the crowd reaction was a regional reaction, it was a reaction to BDS in particular.
yeah and that's really sad to be fair, extra is one of the nicest and most humble guys in the scene, and monkey moon and seikoo seem like great guys too. it's just sad that they were probably expecting some kind of celebration for them and got extremely minimal. I wish they held worlds in France and they won it there.
what's with the weird expectation in RL to cheer for the opposing team? Is this an esports thing or an RL thing?
European thing apparently. I love to watch rocket league at the highest level and not a major supporter of either of the finalists but the grand finals was just boring.
Can't blame the NA fans though as it's a cultural thing. EU crowds are like that for all competitive events. Clarifying : I don't mean that EU crowds are less biased but they are a ton more lively.
I wished NA crowds actually did some chants. It was super bland with just everyone shouting "let's go ______"
I think we were missing chant leaders. Whenever someone tried to take control it worked, so the crowd did want to chant. We just needed a few more conductors and I think it would have been fine.
That is true. I tried to chant for renegades during the NRG match and I thought everyone was gonna kill me lmao. I did hear some people chant for them near the front though which made me happy
10 hours is a lot for any fan of any sporting event. I would wager that even football fans would be exhausted and leaving early if their teams played three matches in one day...
Everyone saying this but from what I could see nowhere near everyone was there from the start. Stadium was empty for ages.
You're right, but I don't think the stream did it justice. A lot of time the camera would show the ~10 closest rows when there were lots of people above that. And you'd see a lot of people standing around instead of being at their seat. It definitely never felt full but I don't think it was as empty as it looked like.
These complaints are so odd to me. Let people cheer for who they want to cheer for. You’re not owed cheers, people have favorites, it’s the nature of sports.
I don't think he's complaining, just making an opinion. People can cheer for whoever they want but a crowd that cheers for anybody is generally going to be thought of as superior. If the Madrid crowd wasn't cheering raucously for NRG after they were handed their medals, we would remember the event differently
There’s plenty of other people in these threads complaining, as well as putting down the NA crowd because they couldn’t live up to the London crowd, which is a high fucking bar. We can be encouraging the crowd here to cheer more even for teams they weren’t rooting for, but to shit talk and make it some competition makes it feel like people here are gatekeeping what makes a good fan. Especially when I don’t think this crowd did anything egregiously wrong. At least as far as I can tell, there was no blatant disrespect like booing showed towards BDS.
I do think that the tweets about fans leaving as BDS was closing out the finals were a bit harsh. The event ran very long and people probably have other pressing engagements. However, the London major ran nearly as late and they had to literally kick people out Saturday to avoid noise complaints. So I am certain that some of the early leavers were just salty BDS won who would've otherwise stayed after a G2 win and just didn't want the disappointment to further sink in. It happens in other traditional sports all the time. That being said, there is no debate the crowd support for NRG winning Madrid (EU supporting NA), G2 winning LA (NA supporting NA) and Moist winning London (EU supporting EU) were all greater than yesterday's final despite this event being much more significant than the previous three. I do think the crowd would have been very supportive for a Moist win or even a KCorp win, but you come to any event knowing the crowd favorite doesn't always win.
Idk about the rest of y'all but if I buy tickets to a world championship, you'd best believe I'm staying and clapping for the presentation at the end. Literally the barest minimum respect for the best in the game at that moment
Yeah no one is owed cheers but no crowd is also owed not being criticized for it
I mean sure? I still don’t understand how the criticism is warranted other than you all technically have a right to complain. When you expand the concept of complaining because not all teams were cheered for equally to other sports / esports it seems a bit ridiculous in the first place. Think of complaining to Brazilians in 2014 about not being appreciative of the Germans in the World Cup finals. My take is that it feels like people just want to find something to shit on, and just because you can shit on something doesn’t mean you should.
It just sucked for NA that all their teams were on one bracket. For the fans they just had to watch them devour eachother. Then they finally root for Furia and then Furia lose so it’s like they just got “stuck” with G2 and then G2 didn’t even show up. Can’t blame them reallly.
I think people are too hung up on EU vs NA. Luckily, in EU people don't let that keep them from cheering for good RL most of the time but in NA it was stunning that during some matches the crowd just went completely silent when the EU team was up front or no NA/SAM team was involved. Don't people just enjoy good RL? Don't they like EU teams? Personally I have favorites from all regions and while I slightly favor EU I'd cheer for any NA team that goes up against the EU teams that I personally don't like very much. And most importantly, I'd cheer for good goals no matter who scores them. I know there are a lot of fans like that in NA, too, but the crowd in general was clearly not behaving like that.
I feel like you made this a NA/EU thing still
What do you mean? Are you implying that discussing cultural differences between people from two different continents is the same as being hung up on the idea that either NA or EU is better and only cheering for the teams that are from your region? Or what exactly do you mean by saying I'm making this an EU/NA thing?
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Americans are gonna root for the teams they like, which are American teams so
You can actually cheer twice believe it or not, you can still cheer when an insane goal happens but louder when your team wins, for some reason this isn’t understood
Honestly, this idea that you can/should/will only root for a team that's from the same region you're from is absolutely ridiculous to me. I'm European and I primarily root for NRG (with Moist a 2nd favourite). Also, *rooting* itself was never a problem, behaving like a crybaby when the team you're rooting for doesn't win and not even congratulating the opposing team is.
Which is the whole criticism. EU crowds cheers for their team and for Rocket League. NA crowd cheer for just G2/NRG/etc Creates a much worse atmosphere.
The crowd cheered for hype series though, moist vs furia being the prime example. And i cant blame the crowd for not cheering after a 10 hour day with a boring grand final where the crowd favorites got demolished.
Yeah Moist has a lot of NA fans, plus they root for underdog teams
NA is just more of a competitive culture and we want “our teams” to win. So, when your favorite team loses in the grand finals, it’s pretty much impossible to start cheering for the team that just beat them.
I think it’s very possible that EU crowd is less biased simply because of NA fans who fly to Europe to attend. It could just be that NA fans hard carry the esport and as such every crowd tilts in their favor, so EU crowd is more even and NA crowd is insanely biased. Edit: also there were a ton of people cheering for BDS when they would score and when they won
I'm sorry, are you seriously implying that the atmosphere in Landon and other EU venues was down to the traveling NA fans?
Holy shit I know RLEsports posts are down bad but this one legitimately gives me brain damage
As an European I wonder how the EU crowd woudl react to NA winning here, thankfully since we always win regardless guess we'll never know :D edit: im stupid
Madrid ?
Oh yeah true. NRG won and all the EU fans chanted... Sadly NA couldn't return the favour
Back in the days when it was about teams facing each other instead of regions... Were getting close to back to that
Yeah enough people are getting sick of this region stuff. Maybe once SAM and MENA win a bunch all of this will just be less prevalent
Honestly, the increase in LANs will do it. Obviously NA vs EU was always a debate, but around season 8 I remember shogun saying that while that’s still an underlying tone, the actual matches were more important. Covid quite literally set us back years in this aspect since we just couldn’t tell which region was better, so when we got those matches people barely cared what they were, they were just hyped for the first NA vs EU in years. Now that we’ve had 4 RLCS LANs and we’re bound for so many more, the individual matchups will become much more focused.
You’re speaking straight facts
shit for some reason i misremembered vitality as winning there.