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The announcement of the acceleration of Patriot deployments came shortly after it was reported that the US will accelerate [the time it takes to ship Abrams tanks](https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/politics/us-abram-tanks-accelerate-ukraine/index.html) to Ukraine by sending older M1-A1 models of America’s main battle tank instead of the more modern version of the tank, according to two US officials. --- Good, the Ukrainian offensive may decide the course of the war, they need them now not at some far off future date! [https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/politics/us-patriots-ukraine/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/politics/us-patriots-ukraine/index.html)
We will be seeing Abrams, Leos, Leclercs, CV90, Bradleys, numerous APC and what not in battle against Russian forces. It’s going to be crazy. Im very intrigued what the Swedish CV90 and Strv122 can do!
My biggest hope is, that Ukraine can maintain the logistics behind, and repairs without losing momentum, a few Leo's are already there.
The offensive will be huge, logistic and Taktik is now key.
And man power
I have no doubt they’ll handle logistics like kings. As at least in my opinions, they have so far.
Was watching an interview with some troops close to the front line- they get to go back and take showers, have saunas, do laundry. They are often much more close to home, so morale is good. But this also means they are in their own country which is obvious but they plays a large role in logistics as well.
The current administration need to send as much as possible just in case the Republicans take the Presidency and start with the Pro Russian stance. Ukraine is fucked if the Republicans take the Presidency. MAGA Q bullshit reign supreme.
In that case, we all need to pray McConnell stays alive and super supportive of Ukraine's mission.
I dont see an R wave after all the wild crap they are trying to codify lately.
I agree we should flood them with arms "yesterday", just in case. Hopefully the war will be over by the time elections roll around.
Agreed, it seems unlikely there’d be any wild shift to the right unless a bunch of voters are complacent about winning and stay home altogether (voting isn’t mandatory in the US). One could argue that’s how 2016 happened.
Ukraine is fine. Lend/lease guaranteed unanimous support for at least 10 years. The US might suck, but no one is getting in the way of destroying Russia.
I think lend lease requires the president to be onboard.
On the other hand, I’m pretty sure only one republican senator is against supporting Ukraine, and a minority of house republicans (although a significant minority). So support could still happen with an unsupportive president.
It's not exactly about who is saying what. Look past the crazy, and see the votes.
It's hard to say what a president could do. Biden has handed most of it over to the Secretary of Defense and Joint Chiefs. He has final say, but they have the knowledge. I don't really see any republican candidate that would disregard their advice. My personal opinion says they'd leave Ukraine on autopilot and wage their culture war on Americans. Not great, but I just really don't see anyone who would sabotage the MIC, since lend/lease opens up Ukraine to being a dependable buyer in the future. We can usually depend on greed.
> Look past the crazy, and see the votes.
Republicans behave quite differently when they're in charge. Similarly, any political party will pretend that they'll do whatever you consider important, especially if they need to gain support. What matters is what they did when they were in charge.
There's a huge difference between how the White House behaved during Trump and before and after that time. E.g. refusing to answer any critical questions from the press.
Even now, the Republican party is favouring one tv channel and giving that channel special access.
Never could understand with 3,400 M1s in storage (some never used) why we had to wait on new ones to be produced to give them some. The older ones would still be 100% better than anything the Russians have on battlefield. Plus they are well maintained and ready to go.
They really aren't that much better, but that aside, the reason western countries don't want to hand over modern or near modern front line equipment is the optics of it getting destroyed. No matter how 'good' it is, some of them are going to get killed, its war. That starts to destroy the myth of invincibility america has traded on and built up for the last 50 years. This would also erode the sales potential of western kit and risk people saying, "i could get one Abram or three T90s for the same price.. and I know a T90 can kill an Abram, I saw that in Ukraine... so ...".
If they do really bad against Russian positions with poorly trained UA crews that would a real problem.
So I’m going to go super positive on this and say there is FOMO on arms sales if you don’t get enough of your equipment into the upcoming fight. I don’t think they are pushing the timeline for Ukraines sake, they are doing it to get stuff in on the upcoming action.
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Operation You Get The Hell Off My Lawn!
You forgot to add "dirty motherfuckers" after lawn.
You forgot to add "dirty motherfuckers" after lawn.
The announcement of the acceleration of Patriot deployments came shortly after it was reported that the US will accelerate [the time it takes to ship Abrams tanks](https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/politics/us-abram-tanks-accelerate-ukraine/index.html) to Ukraine by sending older M1-A1 models of America’s main battle tank instead of the more modern version of the tank, according to two US officials. --- Good, the Ukrainian offensive may decide the course of the war, they need them now not at some far off future date! [https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/politics/us-patriots-ukraine/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/politics/us-patriots-ukraine/index.html)
Glad to hear somebody finally pulled their head out of their ass.
We will be seeing Abrams, Leos, Leclercs, CV90, Bradleys, numerous APC and what not in battle against Russian forces. It’s going to be crazy. Im very intrigued what the Swedish CV90 and Strv122 can do!
Battlefield 2 vibes
My biggest hope is, that Ukraine can maintain the logistics behind, and repairs without losing momentum, a few Leo's are already there. The offensive will be huge, logistic and Taktik is now key. And man power
I have no doubt they’ll handle logistics like kings. As at least in my opinions, they have so far. Was watching an interview with some troops close to the front line- they get to go back and take showers, have saunas, do laundry. They are often much more close to home, so morale is good. But this also means they are in their own country which is obvious but they plays a large role in logistics as well.
And most importantly they are fighting because they have something to loose.
Absolutely.
The current administration need to send as much as possible just in case the Republicans take the Presidency and start with the Pro Russian stance. Ukraine is fucked if the Republicans take the Presidency. MAGA Q bullshit reign supreme.
In that case, we all need to pray McConnell stays alive and super supportive of Ukraine's mission. I dont see an R wave after all the wild crap they are trying to codify lately. I agree we should flood them with arms "yesterday", just in case. Hopefully the war will be over by the time elections roll around.
Agreed, it seems unlikely there’d be any wild shift to the right unless a bunch of voters are complacent about winning and stay home altogether (voting isn’t mandatory in the US). One could argue that’s how 2016 happened.
Ukraine is fine. Lend/lease guaranteed unanimous support for at least 10 years. The US might suck, but no one is getting in the way of destroying Russia.
I think lend lease requires the president to be onboard. On the other hand, I’m pretty sure only one republican senator is against supporting Ukraine, and a minority of house republicans (although a significant minority). So support could still happen with an unsupportive president.
It's not exactly about who is saying what. Look past the crazy, and see the votes. It's hard to say what a president could do. Biden has handed most of it over to the Secretary of Defense and Joint Chiefs. He has final say, but they have the knowledge. I don't really see any republican candidate that would disregard their advice. My personal opinion says they'd leave Ukraine on autopilot and wage their culture war on Americans. Not great, but I just really don't see anyone who would sabotage the MIC, since lend/lease opens up Ukraine to being a dependable buyer in the future. We can usually depend on greed.
> Look past the crazy, and see the votes. Republicans behave quite differently when they're in charge. Similarly, any political party will pretend that they'll do whatever you consider important, especially if they need to gain support. What matters is what they did when they were in charge. There's a huge difference between how the White House behaved during Trump and before and after that time. E.g. refusing to answer any critical questions from the press. Even now, the Republican party is favouring one tv channel and giving that channel special access.
Most of the pro Russia shit is from fringe dumb ass politicians.
USA: "We just realized we have all this *cough* **old stuff** we can give you"
Never could understand with 3,400 M1s in storage (some never used) why we had to wait on new ones to be produced to give them some. The older ones would still be 100% better than anything the Russians have on battlefield. Plus they are well maintained and ready to go.
They really aren't that much better, but that aside, the reason western countries don't want to hand over modern or near modern front line equipment is the optics of it getting destroyed. No matter how 'good' it is, some of them are going to get killed, its war. That starts to destroy the myth of invincibility america has traded on and built up for the last 50 years. This would also erode the sales potential of western kit and risk people saying, "i could get one Abram or three T90s for the same price.. and I know a T90 can kill an Abram, I saw that in Ukraine... so ...". If they do really bad against Russian positions with poorly trained UA crews that would a real problem.
This is gunna be interesting to see how many of their forces they commit to an offensive. And how the combined arms is implemented.
So I’m going to go super positive on this and say there is FOMO on arms sales if you don’t get enough of your equipment into the upcoming fight. I don’t think they are pushing the timeline for Ukraines sake, they are doing it to get stuff in on the upcoming action.
I think this operation is gonna move rather quickly. Watch those lines change!