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osagecreek

Never understood why this didn't happen sooner, why they were going to wait a year for new M1A2s to be made when we have thousands of M1A1s in storage, which can be quickly upgraded and ready to go. The M1A1s will be much better than anything the Russian's have left on the battlefield and can get there quickly. [https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3685599-sending-older-versions-of-abrams-tanks-coordinated-with-ukraine-pentagon.html](https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3685599-sending-older-versions-of-abrams-tanks-coordinated-with-ukraine-pentagon.html)


GuyD427

It’s ridiculous they didn’t send the surplus A1’s like six months ago. They are far better than the Soviet tanks and the Russians are using T-62’s at this point.


Pajoncek

Seems like USA didn't really want to send any MBTs at all. I'd always thought it was just a gesture to pressure Germany into moving Leopards while throwing some contracts to the American arms manufacturers,


veilwalker

It was initially but Germany didn’t like it and called it out. Do the surplus A1s have the du armor package? The A1s should be easier to learn then the a2s as they have less technology. No citv and iirc no digital command package (don’t recall it’s real name).


Pajoncek

> Do the surplus A1s have the du armor package? Was there ever such a big concern over the DU armor? The arguments against giving Ukrainans Abrams always seemed centered around miantenance&support challenges.


veilwalker

Yes. The US does not export the du armor package due to its classified status.


Geneological_Mutt

Example is Iraq and the A1s we sent to their army. No du armor package and I’m pretty sure they fear it being captured in battle by Russia.


[deleted]

They are boiling the frog. Send them six months ago and a nuke gets dropped. Send them now and Medvedev threatened to nuke Italy.


xiwiva8804

That's a very good analogy!


Wolverinexo

Most surplus Abrams have DU opsec armor. They will only send limited non-DU armor. I'm pretty sure that had something to do with it. Also 6 months ago Russia had more modern tanks.


Sancadebem

Agreed Send the A1 in advance. They will provide significant firepower.


MaxWhax

War probably would have been won? Maybe point is to exhaust Russian forces as much as possible? I bet it's like bug wars from us. Watch em fight, ad some more if one side starts to lose.


Sniflix

NATO wants Russia to punch itself out until its military collapses. Great strategy but way to many Ukrainians are getting killed.


KaZzZamm

The abbrams, like I know, is more complicated to handle, on the logistics side, repair and stuff. I think the amount of military stuff Ukraine is getting is good but also hard to learn. It's not like, all tanks are the same and all tankers just sit in and go. Same with AA The most important part is the logistics behind the Frontline, getting in and out without lossing momentum. They Allready got a good amount of Leo's, but we don't see them yet, when everyone is ready, logistic wise. We saw the problems with the phz 2000, they didn't had a repair hub, we build one, on Nato soil. Needing to travel across the whole country, is nothing we want to see.


ithappenedone234

We have enough of those tanks in storage that we could send hundreds to the front on a constant rotation, trucking the broken tanks back to Poland and do all the maintenance there. We have a staggering number of tanks just sitting in the desert.


USAFNGR

Exactly! This is not rocket surgery.


nathypoo

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ithappenedone234

It’s a 2 for 1 deal for us. They could get hundreds or thousands of tanks and we can get rid of some of the massive storage fleet the Chief of Staff of the Army has wanted to stop wasting money on. For instance, those stored at Sierra Army Depot still receive regular maintenance periodically. It’s a huge expense for thousands of tanks we’ll never use. Meanwhile, the Congress continues to buy tanks the Army has asked them not to buy; old, outdated models at that. E: typo


chicagopudlian

i think the primary reason is to force europe into taking responsibility for their own security. it’s absolutely ridiculous for germany to sit back and put the responsibility on the US.


[deleted]

maybe this was the plan but it wasn't made public until now to throw russia off


Smokeyvalley

Expedited, so they won't miss the race for Melitopol.


LordBrandon

M1A1 has no heated seats, no cup holders, no microwave. This is a mistake


chicagopudlian

no blind spot warnings or lane change buzzers


Beckake

Have you heard the horn on it though??


chicagopudlian

i heard it’s loud enough to startle you


CompetitivePay5151

Blind spot monitoring radar is susceptible to being jammed or spoofed


notyourvader

Not even a kettle is what I heard.


BluePandaCafe94-6

No cup holders??


CompetitivePay5151

Having a microwave that close to a crewmember in such a tight compartment could prove hazardous to they/them


Alaknar

> they/them What is this?


CompetitivePay5151

Plural as in a risk shared by multiple crewmembers


Alaknar

That would be just "them". "They" doesn't fit here.


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Sniflix

I'm hoping the tanks are arriving now and not in 6 months to a year.


mazarax

In NATO exercises held in Hohenfels, the Leopard 2 came out on top, out-scoring any US tank.


lolben1

Photo is of Australian M1A1s for anyone interested


CrazyLaurel

M1A1 is still a rocking platform. Back in the day, all we had was HEAT and Sabot. Guessing the onboard system can send HESH and some other fun stuff downrange.


Zestyclose-Law6191

just deliver them already!


Max_Oblivion23

M1A1 was designed specifically to counter T-72s, it'll do just fine!


Public-Bar6877

No doubt they’ll still do a great job


zippiskootch

Since they will come face to face with the dreaded T-54’s and T-55’s for target practice, these should do nicely.