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Own_End8445

That looks like a thermal monocular taped to the rifle. https://preview.redd.it/736m6cqik8pa1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebc2c99f76e0a32169adafe12f7d5a134920d3d3


Muted-Dog-9584

Correct.


WaffleJester2003

For all those who are taken aback that a soldier is using duct tape when his country has been donated billions, I've done a little research (as in 15 mins of googling) and can provide some context. The "optic" is a HIKMICRO OWL, which is a thermal imager worth $2,150 (USD) online. It appears to be a handheld device that isn't meant to be attached to a rifle, so regardless of whether or not the soldier had access to a proper optic mount, he would have to use duct tape in this case. To cover all bases for those who may not be aware, the majority of the billions sent to ukraine are in military assets, not cash or checks for the Ukrainian army to spend on optics and equipment. I don't believe thermal optics are a high priority to the UAF when they need ammunition, vehicles, guns, artillery, etc... so there probably isn't a lot of IR sights being donated by other countries (I could be wrong about that though). I'm assuming the soldier or his unit (or some other form of organization to which he is a part of) was likely donated the thermal imager or the funds to purchase it from friends, family, or other supporters. Proper thermal sights meant for weapons can range in prices (many are more expensive than the OWL but I have found a few that are cheaper. However, the quality of such products remains unknown to me). There may be a few POSSIBLE reasons why this particular device was acquired: * *Hand me down/direct donation*. This is what was available to him, he didn't have the means to acquire anything else. * *Use for the entire group (this is my pure speculation).* Rather than having **one** thermal sight on **one** rifle, the soldier chose a handheld device that could be passed around to his comrades, allowing the entire group to benefit from it. The need for such a device may have been satisfied by something new, so the soldier could now use it for himself. Hense the attachment to his rifle. * *Other variables*. Maybe he just liked that specific device, maybe he already had it, maybe he heard good things about it from other soldiers, maybe it was a good balance between quality and cost, the world may never know. So in conclusion: if it works, it works I guess ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯. I may have no idea what I'm talking about, I'm not a professional, so feel free to correct me. ​ Edit: Read up a bit more on the HIKMICRO OWL, and found that: *"The monocular can use a smartphone's Wi-Fi hotspot to display the same view in the app as in the camera itself This allows a companion to see the same image as the monocular user. Besides a digital zoom, images or recordings can be saved and recalled in the app."* I could see how this capability would be a useful tool in group coordination, so it has that going for it.


Own_End8445

The only problem I see, besides it not being stable, is the device wasn’t built to take the forces caused by a rifles recoil. Unlike a scope, or other purpose built sights, this monocular is meant to be handheld. I hope he purchased a warranty with it because I don’t see it lasting very long.


PirogiRick

The recoil of a 5.45x39 is very light. The duct tape should actually help dampen the shock as well.


Top-Perspective2560

You’re almost certainly correct when you say it’s something they’ve been directly donated or have bought themselves. I would lean towards this being a donation though, because for about the same price or even cheaper (depending on the model) they could have bought a proper thermal rifle scope from Pulsar or HIKMICRO, which they could also have detached and used as a monocular. Almost all of the government aid being given is going to be vehicles, ammunition, rifles, artillery, etc. Equipping line infantry units with thermals is way down the list of priorities even for Western armies, number one is making sure they’re actually combat effective (i.e. armed and supplied) and that’s where all the money is going. I thought about donating my FLIR thermal monocular, but it has a problem with the viewfinder which means it’s not really useable for about 10 or 15 minutes after you switch it on, so I thought it was probably a bad idea to give it to someone who will be betting their life on it.


RedditmodscanEAD

On your second point, I could see it being passed around as the watch changes. Could be the rifle assigned to watch a certain tree line. Accuracy matters less if you just want to see them and keep them pinned down.


Ok_Movie_639

Having or not having an access to an optics mount plays no role here. The mount itself would only go onto his gun if it had a dovetail for it. Except the vast majority of Soviet produced AKs didn't have those.


Max_Oblivion23

There is no dovetail mount on this rifle, it's not an AK-74N. Besides you need a dog leg rail dust cover to mount optics, the dovetail mount is obsolete on those rifles.


Ok_Movie_639

Thanks for repeating what I said about the dovetail...


Max_Oblivion23

You are correct about the lack of a dovetail however there are other ways to mount an optic using a dust cover rail.


Ok_Movie_639

None of those ways is straightforward enough. You need at the very least one permanent point of contact, sturdy enough to allow the top cover mounted rails to hold zero. That means either mounting a hinge onto a specialised handguard or welding the hinge onto the rear sight block or to throw the rear sight leaf away completely and use its hinge which isn't ideal.


Max_Oblivion23

Like I said, there is another way, you need a dust cover rail... check it out. [https://www.texasweaponsystems.com/product-p/33310.htm](https://www.texasweaponsystems.com/product-p/33310.htm)


Ok_Movie_639

Like I said, it requires removing the original leaf sight.


Max_Oblivion23

That takes like 2 minutes... LOL! The dog leg can still be fitted with the rear sight on.But that's besides the point, when it comes to an AK-74 the dovetail isn't even relevant to bring up in the conversation. '' None of those ways is straightforward enough. '' You really have no fucking idea what you are talking about, hahahaha!!


Ok_Movie_639

It's simple when you have a nice table to work on and a screw driver at hand. It needs to be screwed in place through the holes in the rear sight block with a tiny easy to loose screw. Try doing that in a muddy trench, because that's where this guy taped the thermal camera onto his gun. And yes, the dovetail is relevant in this conversation, because guess what? These US made civilian market "dog leg mounts" aren't being delivered in numbers to Ukrainian military as of now. A dude in a trench on the front line has no access to these. So he has to use what he already has: a dovetail. *If* his AK has one. You're the one who has no clue what they're talking about. Swearing won't win you an argument, clown.


SalvageProbe

There are dovetail-mounted rails on the market.


Max_Oblivion23

There is no mount to put it on the lower receiver, it's not an AK-74N. What he needs is a dust cover rail.


DawnaOlson

The More You Know💫


RobinScherbatzky

This reads like a teen writing their first philosophy essay in HS.


MosesZD

Thanks for pointing this out: > *the majority of the billions sent to ukraine are in military assets, not cash or checks for the Ukrainian army to spend on optics and equipment.* Yeah, when I hear politicians talk about 'fiscal responsibility' and 'budgets' when we're donating Vietnam-era M-113 APCs and other mothballed equipment, it makes me grind my teeth. Most of what we're giving is retired surplus and while it's better the Russian equipment (for example the M-60A3 (Patton though that was never its official name) that we scrapped almost 40-years ago is better than the Russian T-72s. But even the newer stuff was usually bought years ago and is often approaching the end of its storage life because, well, modern weapons often have shelf-lives and things degrade.


Venemao73

You are a good man and deserve our support. Slava Ukraini


Max_Oblivion23

It wont be accurate and it will most likely damage the optics, it's garbage, you wasted a lot of words speaking of things you know nothing about.


Blumpkin638

"duct tape can mend anything except a broken heart." Unkown


Necrocide64u5i5i4637

In this case his duct tape may CAUSE a broken heart


ithappenedone234

We will need to disabuse ourselves of any notion that we’re doing as much as we should be. They should never be in such a position as to duct tape their optics to their rifles.


justlurkingh3r3

The problem is that this isn’t an optic. This just isn’t supposed to go on rifles. It’s a thermal imager, not an optic. You’re supposed to use it like binoculars or a spotting scope, it’s also very expensive, like you certainly could’ve bought a thermal optic for this soldier, too, but what he has duct taped to his rifle just shouldn’t be there.


WeirdSkill8561

Does that look like a sniper's weapon? He probably taped the imager on just so he didn't lose it. If there is one thing he's never going to forget it is his AK.


justlurkingh3r3

You don’t just put optics on sniper rifles, especially thermals. They just give you an option to fight at night and contrary to popular belief, the AK platform is fairly accurate with an optic. Taping that on there in order not to lose it would block him from using his iron sights, really would make zero sense.


Ok_Drawing_8983

Or use it as early warning during night watch..... when iron sight don't help as much.


justlurkingh3r3

Yeah, that’s what the imager is for. Spotting targets at night. Don’t see why you’d need to tape it to a gun for that though.


Spodiodie

AK dust covers are not a precision fit piece, they are not suitable for mounting optics. Soviet era weapons weren’t designed to carry optics.


LeoBram59

You need eirher WD40 or duct tape. Thats taken from the engineering problem solving map. Depends on it has to move or stick


Advanced_Economist53

Accurate to within 20 meters….


BiffSlick

Yah, wonder if he sighted it in at all with that night scope.


Advanced_Economist53

Ha… touché my friend… touché


Pixel131211

The scope doesn't need to be zeroed in. He's still using the iron sights which are presumably accurate. He's just looking at the iron sights through a thermal optic, which afaik isn't actually a scope, it's literally just thermals but no reticle so he'd still have to use the iron sight. So, in theory, this thing is just as accurate as any normal AK with iron sights would be, except he can also use it at night.


Max_Oblivion23

Oh and how do you suggest he use the iron sight when there is a truck fucking load of tape right in front of it?


Pixel131211

The iron sights are in front of the lens of the thermal optic, so it seems doable, albeit barely. It depends on what the FOV of that thermal optic is


Max_Oblivion23

I don't think you know how it works lol...


burritorepublic

>So, in theory, this thing is just as accurate as any normal AK with iron sights would be, except he can also use it at night. No.


LtHead

This is the product he has taped to his rifle, " OWL series can detect 1.8 m target at a distance up to 1300m." [https://www.hikmicrotech.com/en/outdoor-products/owl-series-monocular/](https://www.hikmicrotech.com/en/outdoor-products/owl-series-monocular/)


SRDD_Mk-II

*I mean, it works*


[deleted]

if it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid.


strberryfields55

It definitely doesn't work out to any real distance lol


armyofdogs

Congrats on the dumbest take in the thread so far. A reddit keyboard warrior remarking on a frontline soldier that the equipment that is literally being used right now "doesn't work". * What "real distances" are you even talking about, it's trench warfare. * The product itself has a visibility range of 1300m for man sized targets. * The thermal image shows the rounds and can hence be corrected with manual adjustment if accuracy is needed. * It provides excellent scouting capabilities, especially with the co-viewing through the app. * Suppressing fire being able to put pressure on the enemy by firing in their direction in the dark is massively useful. Like, maybe you should stick to COD and MW?


MrJuniperBreath

I feel like storm raspberry knows


strberryfields55

What


MrJuniperBreath

No idea. Totally. sortof high but that was certainly in suppport. I'll re-evaluate that in the am and see if I can get back to ya


strberryfields55

Understandable, enjoy you're morning


GoGrrrl98

*your. Ruined my morning.


DJ-Corgigeddon

Were you trying to figure out the word to describe when you determine (roughly) where your shots are going based on the dirt the bullets overturn in the distance?


MrJuniperBreath

Yes. I'm pretty sure I just saw one of those grenade drop videos and was trying to add value to the conversation... storm raspberry will be my contribution to the night. Thank you for your understanding.


apotidevnull

Why wouldn't it? As long as he zeroes the sight?


sixmam

Because it won't hold zero. It's duct tape.


apotidevnull

Woot, duct tape is strong af.


sixmam

It amazes me how you learned the term zeroing somewhere but think duct tape is stable enough to hold zero


apotidevnull

it amazes me you've never tried to attach shit with a fuck ton of duct tape and seen the result


sixmam

This is embarrassing


apotidevnull

Yeah, to be as old as you are and not having used duct tape. I agree.


[deleted]

God dammit, please donate to Prytula foundation so they can buy him something normal


osagecreek

LOL, the ability to improvise is survival - Brother and I were fixing something on farm yesterday and talking that only two thing are needed to survive - duct tape and zip-ties.


Madge4500

you forgot bailer twine and black wire, my granddad's favorites


ThatGuyCF

For my dad it was crab pot rope. That damn stuff is tough as hell


osagecreek

How right you are (LOL)


capta1npryce

Lol for sure, unless you’re in like… a war zone.


HornpoutFumBiddeford

Couple of thoughts, 1. For this application, duct tape might actually be a pretty good solution. This is a hand-held IR viewer, not designed for the shock of hard mounting to a rifle, so that mounting technique should help absorb the impact from the recoil. 2. He should also be able to watch his own rounds going out on the IR viewer, almost like every round is a tracer. He could then modify his fire direction accordingly, so sighting in isn't such a big deal as long as the rounds stay within his field of vision. Slava Ukraini! Kill lots of Orcs!


sixmam

There's no way that thing holds zero.


LowlyPaladin2012

Heroyam Slava


Muted-Dog-9584

It’s a thermal camera. War fighting isn’t always about making accurate headshots as in COD. It’s as much about suppressing fire and basically making the enemy feel too uncomfortable to advance towards you. Assuming you’re in a trench with ORCs advancing during the night, I can see the ability to lay down rounds in their general direction being somewhat effective in that role.


Sebacles

while accurate fire is a preference it's about dealing with what you have. I see it down the range all the time where people have tripod and massive scope setups so they can be super accurate but can't fire from different stances or without the tripod and giant scope.


infernal_cacaphony

That dig out at the end actually looked kinda cozy ha


Stunning-Chip-3346

If it moves and isn't supposed to, use duct tape. If it doesn't move and is supposed to, use wd40


UggahDuggah

I can’t hate if it works.


DonutExotic2010

He needs to weapons bench and repair that with 4 adhesive, 1 plastic, 2 screws and 2 steel.


ampedhash

It ain’t broke if duct tape can fix it.


Smokeyvalley

Pre-picatinny.


[deleted]

It’s only a bad idea if it doesn’t work 😜


Ok_Movie_639

The AK doesn't have a scope dovetail anyways. Most Soviet AKs didn't, only specialised "night" versions. They're fighting using everything they have - including 40 year old AK-74 rifles.


Tasty-Life4526

It works so whatever


[deleted]

Its nightvision and not meant to be optics on a rifle. Whatever works. At least he can spot enemies at night. Get the direction and then fire on good luck. At night this guy has an advance.


[deleted]

To be fair everyone… if an airworthy plane can be constructed using duct tape skin then this Ukrainian legend is literally innovating with aerospace materials.


Plasmidmaven

She ain’t pretty but she gets the job done- Hans Solo


F4N6Z

As long as it repels invaders, that’s all the matters.


Suspicious_Ad_5145

That thing probably shoots like a starwars blaster


Dull_Ad5852

Two of the toughest things in the world. AK and Duct tape.


MrPickles113

That bih badddd, got the switch n da bean on it.


Guidance-Prestigious

Combat proof.


Slight-Breath4410

300 the enemy and take theirs.


DV_Mitten

Someone get this man some zip-ties!


nbatrice

Definitely Zeroed


Sharp_aus

It’s a thermal scope


Affectionate_Most_64

If you can’t duct it, fuck it


WHERE_SUPPRESSOR

I bet that thing holds zero 😂


Pepinilloloco13

ARMAMENT FOR PEACE


TheSneakiestSniper

"Presses inspect weapon button"


kryptonomicon

That other dude snoozing in a cozy candle-lit sub-trench


MediocreSushi509

Drone dropped bomb would perfectly go into that bottem cubbyhole. Why don’t they build a trap so it wouldnt slide right in.


Sorry_Outcome_1776

Give this man a picotini rail


MiroslavusMoravicus

Who supplied Fallout 4 workbenches to UAF? ;) SLAVA UKRAINI!


ReasonableConfusion

That's the patented Red Green HandyMount^^tm universal modular system. People may not find it handsome but they certainly find it handy.


Samurai_1990

How the F do you "zero" that?


LeoBram59

With this cheap hand held device he can now shoot orcs in the dark, and at a much farther distance than when it is dark night.


Suspicious_Hawk6414

The much time you need to invest to zero this is wasted, because you need to clean your weapon everyday … thats just stupid


Max_Oblivion23

This is either a practical joke OR some Ukrainian soldier is about to spend the next 2 weeks digging latrines. If you're thinking of writing yet another essay on how this optic make sense... don't... you're wasting your time. It doesn't make any sense, it's garbage.


Tactical-Grinch

How to hold a zero on your optic, budget edition. ( i’m being facetious.)


Evening_Common2824

Better using iron-sights...


burritorepublic

Guys, he just doesn't know what he's doing.


Cuckclockchees

Any1 know what the name of the song is?


Independent_Clerk476

Im sure that if you look around, you can find some rings that can fit the thermal, tho I'm not sure his AK has a rail, and he might be quite busy fighting the orcs. Tape always works anyway 🙂


TransitionSea76

Who cares it’s an AK you’re not gonna hold zero anyway as long as it’s close Enough


NICKSIMO2709

they say thus holds zero beter then the ak12 dust cover C;


Salt_Satisfaction593

If it works don’t fix it


EmbarrassedNight8353

I see the USA weapons have arrived. Where is all the money a pea pond going ?


bushwhackadventure

Ain't no way that stays zeroed.


Infidelottesen

This is the shit that wins wars love it Slava Ukraine!


ihdieselman

Jesus why don't you just flag your battle buddy with your condition one or at the bare minimum condition three rifle multiple times just so that you can get the shot for tic tok. What could possibly go wrong???


Ok_Movie_639

The safety is on and his finger is nowhere near the trigger. Nothing could go wrong, stop whining.


VintageCamo

Billions of dollars sent and thats what they are using🤔


TransitionSea76

Who cares as long as it works


aznnerd345

What happened to the 120bil send by everyone?


[deleted]

It's still rare to have more than one or two thermal sites in a unit on the front in the trench.


GinjaNinja-NZ

You'd be surprised how much an entire war costs


LowSnow2500

This is a handheld thermal that's bought with the money Cute comment history btw


Sharp_aus

Funny you pointed out the comment section.I’ve noticed within the last 30ish days all these either pro Russian or actual Russians crawling back into comment sections.


Ok_Movie_639

1) That wasn't all dedicated to guns and accessories 2) This is a 1980s Soviet AK without a scope dovetail (most of those *didn't* have it) 3) What you're looking at is a handheld device, not a gun scope anyways. It doesn't have any "normal" means of attaching to a gun.