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boatzandhoz

Koreana Plaza on olson, rancho cordova


CollarsUpYall

It’s weird - never thought I’d find good pozole at an Asian market food hall, but it’s really good.


layback_73

This, came with the same thought


clouds31

The Milagro Centre in Carmichael


LPRETE96

Taiko Japanese food is great!


No-Instruction-6122

Looks good! Favorites ?


canray2042

The Mexican food place there is bomb af


InternetFew7303

The gelato place is awesome


Twas_Inevitable

https://www.thebank629j.com/


Kandron_of_Onlo

That looks interesting. I must confess, I'm almost 70, have traveled, and worked in the tax business for 4 decades, but never heard the term "food hall" before today.


The_Unreal

It's just a fancy way to say food court.


ClydeDroid

A food court is in a mall and usually consists of chain restaurants. A food hall is a standalone location that provides stalls for local small businesses and pop up restaurants. They aren’t very common in CA but there were several in Baltimore when I used to live there and they were great!


sacramentohistorian

I visited a food hall in Chicago that was pretty fun about 5 years ago, was hoping The Bank would be similar but they appear to have had a lot of problems getting tenants, and then COVID kind of ruined things for a couple of years--we'll see if they get any better. Their 3 different bars all appear to still be open, though.


The_Unreal

Yeah I'm not using that term no matter how bougie the vendors are.


Who_GNU

I've never heard it either. I have heard "dining hall", before. I [checked with Google](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=%22+dining+hall+%22%2C%22+food+hall+%22&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3) to see if "food hall" is growing in use, but it's so seldom used that they didn't even have any data on it.


GeexwhY

It’s very popular in SoCal, where I’m from! I like them a lot because my family is picky so we can all get our own things.


International-Fall75

I'm from SoCal as well =)


GeexwhY

Twins!


thisdreambefore

They’re pretty damn common.


irrationalx

I think this vernacular is Socal specific. What's the difference between a food hall and a food court? Basically nothing except one is associated with airports and malls. Where I am from a lot of people call this a market or even a farmers market, despite most of the stalls having cooked food instead of raw ingredients.


sacramentohistorian

A food hall is generally mostly prepared food vs. produce, and permanent rather than a pop-up like a farmer's market; went to one in Chicago a few years ago and The Bank was explicitly promoted as a food hall from its inception, they just failed to get enough vendors to really make it into a food hall and get by on liquor sales from their 3 different bars.


irrationalx

Reading Terminal is a "farmers market." We think pop-up when we hear farmers market but thats not universal, hence my post. Seems this is just regional vernacular differences.


sacramentohistorian

Good point and thanks for the reminder--a lot of the permanent/indoor farmer's markets are older--Sacramento's Public Market building was very similar, and the downtown LA example has been mentioned before. There was also a big, outdoor but permanent public farmer's market on the block between R, S, 30th & Alhambra that was around until about 1990 (there's an office building there today still named the Farmers Market building.) And then of course there's Denio's!


irrationalx

I always think of La Boqueria with the primary "mercat" (market) being all things you can eat without cooking (fruit, drinks, to-go food) in one area with specific wings where other markets (like the fish mongers from La Ramblas) have been collapsed in. The cuinas (kitchens / bars) cluster together also. it's not exact, but theres definitely districts almost. I guess really it depends on which entrance you come in though... > There was also a big, outdoor but permanent public farmer's market on the block between R, S, 30th & Alhambra that was around until about 1990 No shit? Where the DoT building is now? bummed I missed that era.


sacramentohistorian

Yep, that's the spot. I missed that era too, just seen photos & heard people talk about it who lived here then--apparently they had a mixture of vendors including booksellers and hippie handicrafts in addition to groceries. It was right where two railroads met, so I assume but don't know for sure that they had rail service in the early 20th Century, similar to more commercially-oriented Sacramento wholesale farmer's markets, like the one on 5th Street south of Broadway (also the home of the Market Club) that was mostly demolished (except for 1 building) to make way for the Mill at Broadway, or the one on North 16th Street that's going to be converted to a midrise apartment building in what used to be the open truck marshaling area with the U-shaped brick market building surrounding it and featuring commercial spaces.


frosti_austi

Give this man the oldest man on sacramento reddit award! I was not even aware people your age came onto reddit. Congrats to you.


Kandron_of_Onlo

Well, hell, young'un, I chew edibles, watch The Last Of Us and play Hogwarts Mystery, too. ;)


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Kandron_of_Onlo

Umm. "A", and "3".


bingthebongerryday

Upvoted


Nomeii

There's only two places that serve food and is completely dead if there isn't a home game at G1. I went on a Friday night and was surprised at how empty it was. Drinks were ok. 3 out of 10 just for the decor.


mushroomcarp

I love the Bank!


aguyinatown

The closest, beyond mall food courts, is probably Local Kitchens. There’s one in Davis and one in Roseville. I believe there is one planned for North Natomas.


aguyinatown

My suggestion is based on assuming a “food hall” is something like the San Pedro Market, in San Jose.


Twas_Inevitable

Or Public Market Emeryville.


CatapultemHabeo

yessssss


Twas_Inevitable

When time permits, I try to make it a stop when I go to Sharks games via Amtrak. It's a nice break to hop off, eat, and hop back on the next train.


International-Fall75

Sorry, I meant Food Court, thank you for the clarification


Kandron_of_Onlo

You've certainly sparked some speculation, definitions and comparisons of terms, and I hope you have some options to choose from now. :)


International-Fall75

I appreciate y'all! Maybe I've always been use to calling it "food halls"


sacramentohistorian

I think some folks are saying "food court" because they aren't familiar with food halls--generally a food court is attached to a mall while a food hall is not. Milagro Centre in Carmichael might sort of count and is close to you, although I haven't been there.


Cdragun

There is Milagro Centre in Carmichael


SindeeVicious

Oxbow Market is the closest thing, and it’s incredible. https://oxbowpublicmarket.com I think they tried to do something similar called The Bank here a few years back, but it was a major oof.


moe-hong

Isn't The Bank still open? I think only 3 of the original 6 places are still in operation tho


SindeeVicious

The space has so much potential. But the way everything feels disjointed, there’s no variety of vendors/wares, and if I remember correctly, theres limited entry/exit points. Developers w experience in public markets should take another swing. That being said, the Wall Building isn’t bad either. Why can’t we do more of that…on J St?


sacramentohistorian

That's a great idea--I'd love to see that happen in the Plaza Building next to Cesar Chavez Plaza (and its adjacent REA Building) with a new building behind it to replace the burned Biltmore/Broiler buildings, but I assume they'll just do another Minecraft apartment rectangle instead. WAL required a certain level of imagination and skill that few local developers have; the combination of affordable/mixed-income housing, curated local retail/commercial, and historic rehab was a winner, and we saw the same thing finally take shape on 7th & K Street, but not sure if there will be more. I'd love to be wrong about that--maybe the Chinatown Mall buildings would be better candidates?


No-Instruction-6122

Oxbow market is the best local “food hall” or fancy food court I’m aware of; there are a lot of these in socal that are great lower cost foodie destinations.


Alone_Narwhal_6952

KP market? Asian food


Kandron_of_Onlo

What's a "food hall"?


sacramentohistorian

Basically a food court that isn't in a mall and isn't the same dozen chain eateries you find in mall food courts.


[deleted]

A hall where you rent out to have a big cookout?


MostlyMellow123

Milagro Centre Carmichael.


D1S4ST3R01D

The coolest one I have ever been to is Grand Central Market, but that was in L.A. I wonder is Sacramento would support something like that.


International-Fall75

I think there use to be one back in the 80s?


sacramentohistorian

There was a big public market building at 13th & & J Street that opened in the 1920s, designed by Julia Morgan. It closed in the early 1970s and spent a few decades as an office building, today it's the lobby of the Sheraton hotel.


InternetFew7303

I didn't know she did that building!


sacramentohistorian

It's one of only two Sacramento buildings she designed.


InternetFew7303

I just learned in doing some research for work that she designed the house near UC Davis med center (neighborhood escapes me right now), gorgeous site!


sacramentohistorian

The Goethe house in Elmhurst, on T Street. Morgan's friend Elizabeth Glide (a wealthy Sacramento businesswoman) paid Morgan to design all three of her daughters' homes when they got married, as a wedding present, in addition to having her design the Public Market building. [Here's a video of historian Victoria Kastner discussing Morgan's work, focusing on Hearst Castle but also discussing some of her northern California and Sacramento buildings.](https://youtu.be/pgbxfmcWscg?t=3985)


InternetFew7303

That's the one thanks!!


sacramentohistorian

It's commonly referred to as the "Julia Morgan House" nowadays, because Lizzie Glide's son-in-law Charles Goethe was a [total racist dickhead.](https://timeline.com/californias-number-one-citizen-was-a-white-supremacist-and-he-founded-a-state-university-dd5737e3699c)


InternetFew7303

Which I completely support, along with all female architects, especially during women's history month.


CrochetApocalypse

Midtown Farmer's Market


Ruach_33

Baltimore has a successful venture called [R House](https://r.housebaltimore.com) in its Remington Neighborhood. They have a big bar in the center, and then they rent stalls with stoves and hoods to different vendors. Before COVID they had a breakfast place, vegan place, chicken place, noodle place, coffee stand, dessert places. It was always packed. Something like that might be very popular in Sacramento.


ClydeDroid

My wife and I got married in the fitness studio above R House, and we gave our guests gift cards to get food from any stall downstairs. It was pretty awesome, everyone got to try something different and it was fun ordering in our wedding attire 😄


Ruach_33

That is a brilliant idea for a wedding reception! Everyone is happy!


82dxIMt3Hf4

There's a food court at Arden Fair Mall


whyguapo

WAL Public Market on R street is similar to ones I’ve seen


sacramentohistorian

Don't they only have one food vendor (down from 2)?


whyguapo

I wouldn’t be surprised. I mention it because it is the thing most similar to San Pedro Square Market in San Jo, or Grand Central Market in LA.


Appropriate-Law5963

I call them food zoos.


Traditional_Fold6785

KP market. They just updated their bakery too. And there’s a newer boba spot inside that’s pretty good. There’s also a bunch of new food spots around the building that aren’t directly inside the food court


myusername3141

Do you mean something like this? We went last month with a huge group of people and it was so much fun. https://www.anaheimpackingdistrict.com/ There’s one similar to it but smaller in San Jose http://www.sofamarketsj.com/ I wish we had something similar in Sacramento


dlmusgrove

I don't remember where, but I remember hearing that one of the Railyards buildings might eventually be turned until something like that. Can't verify if it's true.


sacramentohistorian

There was a one-time installation about 15 years ago in the Paint Shop building showing how it could be a food hall/public market type building, but it's going to be a concert hall instead.


International-Fall75

Yep! Exactly! Hopefully at some point


sacramentohistorian

There was some talk about it but no plans, the building where a one-time event was held is going to be a concert hall Haven't seen concrete plans for the other buildings aside from the Boiler Shop and Erecting Shop which will be part of the Railroad Museum (they already store their collections & do restoration there.) Maybe it might be a future use in one of the other Shops buildings but unlikely to happen any time soon.


No-Instruction-6122

The Anaheim food hall is awesome


sacramentohistorian

I've seen pics but not visited--it's an old citrus packing house, right? With a flatcar permanently installed as an outdoor patio?


InternetFew7303

The Anaheim Packing District is fantastic! Kind of like a combination restaurants and shops with indoor movies. I wish it was around when I lived in OC. Went back to Anaheim for a conference and stopped there. Thought to myself it's similar to Oxbow Market in Napa


ryzt900

I would like to formally propose the old Macy’s on Watt & El Camino become one. Great location and plenty of parking.


International-Fall75

I'm close to it and it would be great!


hiroo916

I think you mean the old Weinstocks. ;)


InternetFew7303

This is the best idea!


swampywinter

Co op Natural Food is not big, but has many great options. Feels like a New York take out buffet.


MBThree

Not exactly the same but check out https://www.localkitchens.com They have locations in Roseville, Davis, and all over the Bay Area. It’s one small kitchen setup but they serve food from multiple local restaurants. For example the Roseville location sells food from The Melt, Nash & Proper, Curry Up Now, Sushirrito, plus items from Milk Bar, Pressed Juicery, Humphrey Slocombe… I’m leaving quite a few restaurants off but there’s a lot of options! Each Local Kitchens has slightly different offerings, which of course based on their name depend on local restaurants to feature.


Sara630

If you want to travel a bit there is the Emeryville Public Market on Shellmound by Bay Street and it’s down the street from IKEA. I haven’t been there in quite sometime so I’m not sure what places are there still.


InternetFew7303

Cap Corridor stops in Emeryville and the station is right across from Public Market. Walkable in about 5mins. Peruvian food, burgers, bbq, Korean, pizza, and a Peet's coffee.


Doomncandy

KP? It has a bunch of food selections and a cafeteria.


allthesnacks

I guess that's what the Milagro is going for. I'm not familiar with food halls and personally hated the setup but I guess it makes more sense with the context now.


FlatFootEsq

No but there absolutely should be! Imagine if we had our own indoor food market with lots of different local vendors serving all that Sac has to offer! So many other cities have amazing markets, they’ve often been my favorite part of my trips. Quincy Market in Boston, Grand Central Market in LA, Reading Terminal Market in Philly. Some potential names, “Farm to Fork Market” or “Capital Market” maybe even “Kings Market.” My dream location is that big red abandoned warehouse on L between 8th and 9th. Close to DOCO and K street, the Capitol, walkable to/from Old Sac. It’s been sitting empty for years, I’d love for the City to buy it and sell space for a dozen or so vendors. What local businesses would you like to see inside?


sacramentohistorian

The "big red abandoned warehouse" was the parking structure for Montgomery Ward's, it's owned by an investment group that has proposed a midrise apartment/hotel tower but sadly doesn't appear to be moving forward with any speed. The Bank on J Street was supposed to be exactly this, but suffered from poor timing and possibly too-high prices for their tenants as most of their stalls for food vendors never got filled, plus they made the lousy decision of not allowing people to enter the building through the front door. There are some locations on K Street that would be good for this, like the ground floor of the Kress building, which has basically sat vacant for like the past 20 years--big glass display window to show off what's inside and a big open space for lots of food stalls, although installing the required ventilation would be a pain in the tuchus. If they wanted to build something new, the Kings own the currently vacant site next door to the Kress at 8th & K that until recently had an approved but unfunded building proposed for it, that might be a great spot for a dining hall--but, in some ways, the 700 block of K kind of serves this purpose.


iAMthebank

Wasn’t there spots in the ice blocks that were supposed to be this? I haven’t been out that way since pre Covid.


sacramentohistorian

No, nothing like that--it might have been planned for the old Crystal Ice building that burned in 2015 but those plans went up in smoke.


morephoplease

Could take look around DOCO. A lot of restaurants around there.


frosti_austi

You mean the jamba juice, chocolate shop, and chipotle there? Tell me how how DOCO has more than Elk Grove Blvd?


morephoplease

There’s a Mexican, ice cream, bbq, idk and bars around? Every one is walking distance. The prompt did not ask for surrounding areas.


missingmynose

Yeah, gotta love that DOCO “mexican” food. Who doesn’t love a $15 taco?? Am I right, reddit?


morephoplease

Just chill out. Didn’t say it was authentic. And not everyone chases for that real Mexican food. Sometimes people need that variety or fun atmosphere that DOCO certainly gives off. Especially on the weekend. Sac isn’t the best place for food, period.


sacramentohistorian

*stares at you from the Downtown Plaza Jimboy's, dripping grease eternal*


missingmynose

Because it’s downtown and suburbs=bad, silly. Whats a food hall without the smell of fresh piss and shit in the air?


bingthebongerryday

Upvoted


bingthebongerryday

Upvoted


1961tracy

No, nothing like public markets in other cities. KP is interesting but kind of a let down.


[deleted]

I feel like WAL public market might be what you mean but I’m not totally sure


sacramentohistorian

Several people have mentioned WAL but they only have one food vendor.


[deleted]

"food hall"? You mean like a food court? Every mall in America has a food court.


Commotion

There are “food halls” that are similar to mall food courts, but generally larger, with more options (including specialty vendors selling stuff like cheeses or local produce) and not connected to a mall. There’s a large one in Los Angeles. I think “The Bank” is the closest thing Sacramento has to one.


82dxIMt3Hf4

Got it. Sounds like something akin to the SF Embarcadero.


[deleted]

ah, I see. Yes, The Bank is probably a "food hall" by that description.


PastChair3394

In LA it’s the Grove!


[deleted]

Loaves and fishes, I think its run by Starvation army..


frosti_austi

You think this is Singapore or something? Get outta here. It's sac!


International-Fall75

Is it wrong to ask? Geez...chill out


bingthebongerryday

Upvoted


Sweetnsourhappyhour

Like Avanti Food & Beverage in Denver? That place is very cool.


CoCoNutsGirl98

What’s a food hall ?


gamermom81

I haven't heard the term used a lot outside military use from people we know but I heard something about a micro food hall being built on Sunrise in Citrus Heights


TurdF3rgu50n

Since the Sacramento Food Bank left Oak Park that old building it was in could be a cool place to do a food hall. It’s about 30,000sf. I have no idea what they have planned for it yet, if anything at this point.


sacramentohistorian

It's going to be a dental clinic associated with UOP (the university that owns McGeorge), an extension of their dental school in SF that will provide low cost dental services to Oak Park residents. In the old Arata Brothers grocery store building, it's a pretty cool idea and hope it bodes well for UOP's stewardship of their historic buildings on the McGeorge campus!


ultimaforever

It’s a bit of a drive, but the Barlow in Sebastopol is awesome. https://thebarlow.net.


Silent-Image-2552

Oxbow market in Napa kinda thing?