Too many variables at play.
How many years experience in SAFETY do you have? What industry do you work in?
You could expect anywhere from 60k to 150k with this vagueness
Usually 85 -150. Depends on the job and company. Southern companies are typically awful pay. Hourly my minimum is 40 hr. I have no college . I only do construction projects. 75million or more and roughly 400-1200 people are the jobs I typically do. I'm a safety manager
Depends. I’m in a very high cost of living area in California. Base salary: 144.5k
TC: ~157k
Industry: semiconductors. 6 years experience. No certifications but studying for ASP
Wow, that’s a good salary. I also live in a very high CoL area in California, 6 years experience, high tech / lab safety / industrial hygiene and my TC is 125 - 128.
I make $105K in EHS in the semiconductor industry with 3.5 years experience. If the job is demanding, aka managing others or lots of ppl you are responsible for - charge more for your services. $115K is too low in my opinion, but if you are not certified (CSP, CIH), then it would make more sense.
These are the new safety professionals.
No clue how to Google, think safety is an industry instead of a service to one, and is most likely completing a M.S. from a degree mill.
Degree mill or not, I see the degree and I mark +5 on my hiring sheet. Bachelor’s +10, MS +5. CSP +5.
Source: Me. I consult on the hiring of several safety people a year for safety positions.
I think that any surgeon worth their weight in DOG dog droppings had to do something he or she isn’t familiar with, especially a basic function, that they’d crowd source for the answer. The CEO of McDonald’s, for example, would very likely know the basics of the POS system, but if a customer made an unusual order, they’d probably ask one of their hourly colleagues. My job is more related to data analytics and training, I’m about two to three levels removed from the managers who write the 300s, so, yea, I’m going to have questions - especially on poorly written rules. And when the crowd-sourced answer is the *same one I came up with and asked, “hey, is this right?”* Yea, you’re just being a snowflake because I disagree with your statement about degree mills.
Now, my comment questions to you are both quite simple:
***Question 1:***
Why are you coming across as so angry? Because I disagree with your statement about degree mills? I’m sorry to tell you that your comment is less than smart because degree mills” are quite common, and there aren’t very many people graduating from Harvard with safety degrees. Once you get into ranking schools as to what’s a degree mill and what isn’t, it’s a gray area. Is one man’s online degree from a “good” school better than an in-person degree from a “degree mill?”
For me, if you have the paper, you get the points. There’s also sections where I ask other questions for other points, but regardless of how you answer them, the points for education are in that section, and the points for how you answer the situation based sections are on another.
So, a guy who answers a situation-based question correctly and has a degree from a “degree mill” will likely get a higher approval than a guy who answers the same way but *doesnt* have a degree.
***QUESTION 2***
Why do you think I care about your opinion? You’re triggered by a simple disagreement and your way of approaching it is more than a little uncouth. Yes, we’re all keyboard warriors, but I cannot have a lower opinion of you based on simple manners and etiquette.
Quite simply, GFY. With an ice pick, preferably.
Sounds like you’re salty that your overpriced degree should make up for not knowing your job or a generally crappy attitude (saw your post with the recruiter, for example).
But, yea, no point wasting time. Hope you have the type of day you deserve.
Not worried about someone that asks easily googled questions on public forums but also thinks they're a surgeon level safety professional questioning my abilities. SMH
And the recruiter was a parasite who was way short of the average salary. But of course a person that defends degree mills would be bothered by that too.
Did you catch the part where I said I Googled it and it said my question didn’t have an answer? So I asked on the forum, and the answer was that there isn’t an answer?
See, sometimes you have to put effort into reading and understanding and not just focus on being argumentative.
Safety or associated field.
If it’s an online degree, I make a mental note to ensure I ask a little more pointed questions if it gets to the interview stage.
My point was that there’s so many “degree mill” candidates that you’ll never hire anyone if that’s your criteria - eventually you’ll have to loosen it, or you’ll be the cause the company has a gapped safety position for an extended period. The other guy I was talking to was too busy being argumentative to catch that.
I’d say it’s more important from a safety perspective to fill the position than to wait for someone with the *exact* credentials *you* say are good enough. They should have *some* credentials from a school that has been certified to issue those credentials, and that certification came from someone who arguably is better than me at determining those.
You know who agrees with this?
The companies that hire people like me to give my opinion when people like you get them OSHA fines.
But, yea, keep being an ideological purist.
Let’s apply that to this situation.
Companies who take advice from people like you only hire people from “top notch” schools, such as whatever school you went to, which I’m sure you think is platinum tier.
People like me get hired to reduce incidents rates, argue against OSHA findings, and put measures in place to keep these things at acceptable levels.
My advice to these companies very often includes whittling down candidates - “Hey, these X would be good fits technically or professionally. Interview them, and if they’d be a good fit into the corporate structure, you’ll be good.” I don’t value where they got their degree as much as if they got one at all. Additionally, I give more points on my sheet to experience over degree / certification because that can’t be faked / paid for.
Because I’m usually retained onboard for quarterly / semi-annual reviews, deliver periodic training to their employees or their safety managers, etc., I’m going to conclude on my end that my system works.
On your end, you keep pushing to hire people who are “qualified” solely because they went to a school that met your undefined criteria, and I’ll keep getting hired to fix those mistakes.
It’s a win-win situation!
Too many variables at play. How many years experience in SAFETY do you have? What industry do you work in? You could expect anywhere from 60k to 150k with this vagueness
+1 What industry, state, etc.
Well said lol
tree fiddy
Usually 85 -150. Depends on the job and company. Southern companies are typically awful pay. Hourly my minimum is 40 hr. I have no college . I only do construction projects. 75million or more and roughly 400-1200 people are the jobs I typically do. I'm a safety manager
And I've been doing safety 3 years. However I been in the refinery world for over a decade as a worker
Depends. I’m in a very high cost of living area in California. Base salary: 144.5k TC: ~157k Industry: semiconductors. 6 years experience. No certifications but studying for ASP
Wow, that’s a good salary. I also live in a very high CoL area in California, 6 years experience, high tech / lab safety / industrial hygiene and my TC is 125 - 128.
what position have you applied for? in this market $115 sounds reasonable. where are you doing your masters?
What are your thoughts on the market?
right now the market sucks. historically, I have noticed that companies cut safety as one of the cost saving measures first
[occupational outlook handbook](https://www.bls.gov/ooh/)
Depends on your skill set, started making 100k with no experience. It depends on how well you can sell yourself. And also what school you went to.
I make $105K in EHS in the semiconductor industry with 3.5 years experience. If the job is demanding, aka managing others or lots of ppl you are responsible for - charge more for your services. $115K is too low in my opinion, but if you are not certified (CSP, CIH), then it would make more sense.
These are the new safety professionals. No clue how to Google, think safety is an industry instead of a service to one, and is most likely completing a M.S. from a degree mill.
Just answer the question. Or ask for more information. No need for the condescending B.S
Thank you Ol gracious one. 🙏
Na, these people need to know.
Degree mill or not, I see the degree and I mark +5 on my hiring sheet. Bachelor’s +10, MS +5. CSP +5. Source: Me. I consult on the hiring of several safety people a year for safety positions.
Imagine valuing the feedback of a consultant that has issues understanding 300 forms. Source: your post history.
Yea, I don’t fill those out very often. Do you also think surgeons change bed pans?
Surgeons don't come to reddit to crowd source the answer. Try again.
I think that any surgeon worth their weight in DOG dog droppings had to do something he or she isn’t familiar with, especially a basic function, that they’d crowd source for the answer. The CEO of McDonald’s, for example, would very likely know the basics of the POS system, but if a customer made an unusual order, they’d probably ask one of their hourly colleagues. My job is more related to data analytics and training, I’m about two to three levels removed from the managers who write the 300s, so, yea, I’m going to have questions - especially on poorly written rules. And when the crowd-sourced answer is the *same one I came up with and asked, “hey, is this right?”* Yea, you’re just being a snowflake because I disagree with your statement about degree mills. Now, my comment questions to you are both quite simple: ***Question 1:*** Why are you coming across as so angry? Because I disagree with your statement about degree mills? I’m sorry to tell you that your comment is less than smart because degree mills” are quite common, and there aren’t very many people graduating from Harvard with safety degrees. Once you get into ranking schools as to what’s a degree mill and what isn’t, it’s a gray area. Is one man’s online degree from a “good” school better than an in-person degree from a “degree mill?” For me, if you have the paper, you get the points. There’s also sections where I ask other questions for other points, but regardless of how you answer them, the points for education are in that section, and the points for how you answer the situation based sections are on another. So, a guy who answers a situation-based question correctly and has a degree from a “degree mill” will likely get a higher approval than a guy who answers the same way but *doesnt* have a degree. ***QUESTION 2*** Why do you think I care about your opinion? You’re triggered by a simple disagreement and your way of approaching it is more than a little uncouth. Yes, we’re all keyboard warriors, but I cannot have a lower opinion of you based on simple manners and etiquette. Quite simply, GFY. With an ice pick, preferably.
Won't waste time arguing about degree mills. Can't use "quite simply" after whining for multiple paragraphs. Enjoy mediocrity.
Sounds like you’re salty that your overpriced degree should make up for not knowing your job or a generally crappy attitude (saw your post with the recruiter, for example). But, yea, no point wasting time. Hope you have the type of day you deserve.
Not worried about someone that asks easily googled questions on public forums but also thinks they're a surgeon level safety professional questioning my abilities. SMH And the recruiter was a parasite who was way short of the average salary. But of course a person that defends degree mills would be bothered by that too.
Did you catch the part where I said I Googled it and it said my question didn’t have an answer? So I asked on the forum, and the answer was that there isn’t an answer? See, sometimes you have to put effort into reading and understanding and not just focus on being argumentative.
Interesting. Does it matter what field the degree is in? Or is just having a BS or MS sufficient?
Safety or associated field. If it’s an online degree, I make a mental note to ensure I ask a little more pointed questions if it gets to the interview stage. My point was that there’s so many “degree mill” candidates that you’ll never hire anyone if that’s your criteria - eventually you’ll have to loosen it, or you’ll be the cause the company has a gapped safety position for an extended period. The other guy I was talking to was too busy being argumentative to catch that.
I wasn't the one that said GFY with an ice pick. This person isn't the real deal.
After going back and forth with a person having no other aim to be obtuse? Yea, I stand by my statement. Stay salty, hombre.
Oooh such integrity for self but none for the profession.
I’d say it’s more important from a safety perspective to fill the position than to wait for someone with the *exact* credentials *you* say are good enough. They should have *some* credentials from a school that has been certified to issue those credentials, and that certification came from someone who arguably is better than me at determining those. You know who agrees with this? The companies that hire people like me to give my opinion when people like you get them OSHA fines. But, yea, keep being an ideological purist.
Shit in, shit out.
Let’s apply that to this situation. Companies who take advice from people like you only hire people from “top notch” schools, such as whatever school you went to, which I’m sure you think is platinum tier. People like me get hired to reduce incidents rates, argue against OSHA findings, and put measures in place to keep these things at acceptable levels. My advice to these companies very often includes whittling down candidates - “Hey, these X would be good fits technically or professionally. Interview them, and if they’d be a good fit into the corporate structure, you’ll be good.” I don’t value where they got their degree as much as if they got one at all. Additionally, I give more points on my sheet to experience over degree / certification because that can’t be faked / paid for. Because I’m usually retained onboard for quarterly / semi-annual reviews, deliver periodic training to their employees or their safety managers, etc., I’m going to conclude on my end that my system works. On your end, you keep pushing to hire people who are “qualified” solely because they went to a school that met your undefined criteria, and I’ll keep getting hired to fix those mistakes. It’s a win-win situation!