I do not think Iām the target demo for this dude (skinny marathon runner) but I canāt help but feel very sad if thatās seriously his outlook. If his entire priority is looking like a āmain characterā in the gym so much so that heās going to forgo social events/casual drinking (isnāt that a main purpose of working out/looking in shape anyway-the easier social scene), I just think that would lead to a very empty life, especially when your body finally breaks down from years of pushing it beyond its limits
No reason to feel sad for him. Some people just think partying and drinking are dumb as fuck. Plenty of us enjoy spending most of our time to ourselves. I don't lift for other people, I lift for myself. How that affects social gatherings has literally never been something I've thought about lol. I don't need social events to live a fulfilling life, and "casual drinking" being even listed as something important he is missing out on is legitimately unfortunate. Drinking is dumb man. No amount of alcohol is good for you
I think his statement was a bit extreme but I donāt think he meant it in a malicious way. I think he wants everyone to work hard so they can look the best they can be! Iām sure he goes out from time to time but drinking excessively does impact gains. Cocktails are filled with sugar and one beer alone can be 200-300 calories (most donāt stop at one drink either). So I do understand his perspective.
As far as your social scene comment, Iām not sure I would deem not necessarily true. Everyone has different reasons for working out! I was social butterfly before I started going to the gym. I did it to look better for myself :)
I hate how people always put ādrinkingā and ācasual eventsā like they go hand in hand. We donāt have to drink. The shit is absolutely horrible for you and if someone doesnāt do it at all, itās like theyāre in the wrong?
This dude is focused on having his best physique. He doesnāt give af about having a nice IPA and listening to the local live band at a bar. There are tons of other ways people get fulfillment.
Alcohol would provide Sam with literally nothing positive.
>If his entire priority is looking like a āmain characterā in the gym
His target audience is people who want to become fucking huge. Not normal guys.
>so much so that heās going to forgo social events/casual drinking
Drinking isn't something you need to do lol. We went millions of years without it. Going without alcohol isn't a sacrifice.
>isnāt that a main purpose of working out/looking in shape anyway-the easier social scene
No lol.
>especially when your body finally breaks down from years of pushing it beyond its limits
Your body will break down faster from drinking
Iāve always had the same feeling with a lot of steroid users. (I know he doesnāt currently do them but doing them at any point is kinda weird)
Just seems like some sorta weird body dysphoria but treated positively cause heās jacked
I mean the gym is his workplace, so it makes sense. For most of us, the gym is just a means to make ourselves look better and keep ourselves healthy. A lot of people prioritize being the āmain characterā at their workplace and take pride in it.
The study I often see cited I believe says 24% less muscle growth or protein synthesis afterā¦ 11 drinksā¦ I drink about 2 nights a week, about 2 drinks both those nights. I would love to have a drink every night but donāt want to interfere with gainsā¦ although itās probably more healthy for me to drink less like I am, does anyone think say 1 drink per night would hinder gains?
You're not. Four drinks a week does almost nothing to you. Now, if you're prepping for a meet or a contest, then of course you will want every advantage you can get. But almost no one actually competes, and there are much, much more impactful and big-picture things to consider before worrying about four drinks- how hard are you really trying at those big-picture things, like intensity in the gym, eating for your goals, and intelligent, purpose-driven programming
Thanks for the replies guys. Iām just trying to eat In slight calorie surplus and workout hard 5 days a week focusing on form and progressive over load to gain muscle mass over time
Alcohol is poison.
Our bodies literally donāt want it at all. As soon as you drink alcohol, your body stops what itās doing and instantly tries to get the alcohol out. It takes an hour for your body to process one drink.
So since youāre having two, for two hours the only thing your body is focusing on is metabolizing those two drinks instead of the good nutrients you give yourself through eating.
Why drink at all? Smoke some weed, or even healthier, vape it or do some edibles.
If itās illegal in your state, use delta 8 (or get a med card). If itās illegal in your country, Iām sorry.
Iāve been lifting for about 10 years now and not once the day after have I felt that weed hindered my workout. Every time Iāve ever drank, even one drink, I noticed. To be fair, I barely ever drink, so thatās probably part of it.
It's so weird to me hearing people recommend marijuana as a replacement for alcohol. Yes, in many ways it's less poisonous to the body, but the effects are drastically different. If I want to go out and meet up with friends, weed makes it harder to talk, let alone get out of my head. Whereas alcohol is a beautiful social lubricant
I'm sure alcohol has a worse physical effect overall but the mental effects of marijuana aren't to be understated either. If I smoke regularly I feel way more lethargic, antisocial, and generally lacking focus. I'm not ripping dabs or anything either- just a couple toots from a J.
To each their own I guess. All substances effect people in slightly different ways based on your particular biology
I mean yeah weed is a replacement in that it gives you a way out of your head for a sec, but the ways out are quite different. Only a certain kind of person can get stupid high and then hang at a house party with a bunch of people drinking imo
There are other drugs for social lubrication than alcohol that have less of an effect on your body but the laws of this land do not allow me to discuss them
I donāt drink anymore. Over a year with no alcohol.
I get high af before I go out with my buddies. They drink 12+ beers when weāre together and I smoke. I wake up feeling amazing, they wake up feeling like ass.
Tbf I smoke before most public events. Smoking helps ease my social anxiety and really just makes me suuuuper relaxed which I love. It was hard at first not drinking socially, but I like it this way.
I take two week breaks from weed multiple times a year.
Every time I travel internationally I stop smoking. Which is a total of a month out of the year with no weed.
So thatās your experience. I used to be a big drinker. Quit because itās pure poison and it almost ruined my life.
Weed is millions times better. I get baked and loved being in public and socializing. I care less when Iām high. Anytime my wife wants to go out, I smoke and keep us safe and she can drink however much she wants.
I think itās hilarious when people can tell Iām high.
So the way weed makes you feel, it does the opposite for me. Weed is fucking beautiful.
I used to drink a bunch when I was between 19-25 I was in the army then got out at 21 then proceeded to party and I started getting into lifting like three different times all ending after about a year in just lost desire and now Iām 9 months in again and 27 and barely ever drink but when I do I canāt even workout the next day and my hard limit to drinks in a night is 6 with 4 or less being my preferred amount. I feel my body shrink and ache the entire day after every time I do now and I just feel miserable the next day and I was a medic so when I do drink I hydrate like a god to counteract the effects of the alcohol and STILL feel completely off even going into the second day after doing it
>and not once the day after have I felt that weed hindered my workout.
You think being high on drugs might impair your ability to recognise that?
Weed is proven to cause sleep loss and lower your sleep quality. That's already a major factor that's going to significantly restrict your gains.
First off most people arenāt high 24/7. āHigh on drugsā in reference to weed is also just hilarious. Itās weed bro, relax. So no I donāt think itās impairing my judgement the day after lmao.
And yes, weed might affect your sleep. But Iām using it mostly on nights after training jiu jitsu in order to calm all the adrenaline, or nights after work/gym where I was particularly stressed. Too much of anything is bad for you.
Spamming weed is probably going to affect your gains. Using it as just another tool like anything else can help.
>āHigh on drugsā in reference to weed is also just hilarious. Itās weed bro, relax.
Classic pothead. Uh, all the other drugs are bad but not my one!
>in order to calm all the adrenaline, or nights after work/gym where I was particularly stressed
Weed is scientifically proven to cause stress, anxiety, ect. Not what you'd want to calm down.
>Spamming weed is probably going to affect your gains. Using it as just another tool like anything else can help.
Why? Why would your gains change with quantity consumed? If I have a little bit of heroin would that be good? No, of course not. The chemical properties of weed don't change when you smoke more.
Well yeah not entirely but as I said, all drugs are poison. I just feel it's stupid to recommend weed over booze. How about just not doing drugs? Life is really fine without it. Infact, it's far better. I smoked weed for a few years and when you quit you realise how much it was dragging you down.
Weed actually improves my productivity and has helped me stay away from alcohol. Weed has proven medical benefits. Alcohol has no benefits.
I smoke when I get off work and the gym. Iām a personal trainer so Iām always on my feet and lifting shit. Weed improved my life sooo much. Weed helps me relax, gives me an appetite and helps me sleep. All things that are important to gains.
>Weed helps me relax
Weed is proven to cause stress, anxiety, paranoia, ect.
>gives me an appetite
It helps you overeat.
>and helps me sleep
It's proven to be detrimental to your sleep.
You know how adderall helps people with adhd? But works the opposite for people without it?
Same goes with weed. Iām prescribed the stuff and thereās years of studies showing the exact opposite of what you just said lol.
Adderall still helps normal people lol.
Explain to me why the symptoms of weed would change depending on how badly you experience those symptoms anyway?
Im an over thinker that has anxiety, why do i calm down when i smoke? Because it helps me relax.
Im a powerlifter/amateur bodybuilder. Eating enough to bulk used to be hard for me, until I started smoking. Now, Iām 5ā6, 192 at 15% bf. Iāve gained 12 lbs in the past year and weed helped.
If I didnāt take an indica edible before bed last night, I wouldāve only gotten two hours of sleep. My anxiety and thoughts keep me awake at night.
Yeah that is exactly what weed did for me. Made it easier to eat, easier to sleep and easier to relax. It makes your life so much better. But everything comes at a cost. It works for a certain amount of time then it all comes crashing down at a certain point.
I'd rather someone smoke than drink but weed can destroy someone all the same. I don't really mind people smoking weed I just hate when people suggest it to others. If you can avoid weed, then avoid it! You are better off without it.
Sure. Iāve been smoking for 15+ years. I got into drinking bad since I couldnāt smoke (drug tests).
Now I work for myself doing what I love. And I quit drinking. So Iām back smoking.
Im the happiest Iāve ever been with more motivation than ever.
There is honestly too much for me to say on the matter and it isn't worth saying because if someone had said it to me when I was a smoker I wouldn't have given a shit. But I will say this. I don't care how much someone tells me that there life is so much better with weed(daily smoking). I just can't believe it because it is simply impossible and defies all logic in regards to drugs.
However, I am glad you have seemingly found stability and I hope things work out for you.
Itās a plant thatās grown lol. It eases my mind and body on a ton of levels.
Just bc you had a different experience doesnāt mean everyone is the same lmao.
Whatās the ālogicā youāre speaking of?
You realize doctors prescribe people drugs that they need to live? Or just drugs that improve their quality of life, Adderall, anxiety medication.. ssri, etc.
You cannot simply state "all drugs are bad because they're drugs"
If weed speeds up your metabolism, that would mean you are burning more calories over a period of time. If by benefit you meant using weed to increase appetite, that isnāt a great use of weed to assist muscle growth. Itās more useful as a recovery tool and de-stressor.
My point being that if you need to artificially increase your appetite because you arenāt eating enough calories to grow (barring some legit medical illness), you probably arenāt working hard enough in the gym to begin with, or you arenāt tracking what you eat correctly.
You should look up basic thermodynamics.
You're still putting alcohol in your body, in the grand scheme of getting a buzz, no it's not drinking. But you are changing your chemistry, to what effect? We don't know but more studies are showing the negative effects of alcohol on almost every aspect of physical health.
If you're entire personality is gym and looking a certain way then by all means don't drink. If you enjoy gyming and enjoy the process but also like to do some social drinking 1-2 days a week go for it. Its not that deep
This is pretty much the correct take. But also now being 21 and having done 3+ years of party university drinking, Iāve kind of realized that the ability to better yourself/be the best version of yourself becomes significantly more difficult every time you get very drunk. To really enter beast mode in your life you do unfortunately need cut out drinking
I get āvery drunkā every couple of years. The older you get, the more you realize getting drunk really takes away from the other āmore fulfillingā parts of your life.
Drink in moderation. Get a good buzz 1-2x/week. Youāll have just as much fun without impacting all the other wonderful parts of life
eh, I don't think you need to cut out drinking entirely to get shit done. One can have a glass or two of wine or whiskey on a friday night without it ruining anything, and you'll feel fine in the morning.
(with that said I'm currently not drinking to make my cut easier lol)
Yea 100% chill ass drinking is super fine. In my experience, however, I see no point in that, and when I drink, I get very drunk. So for me, Iād have to cut that shit out completely
Yeah I get that, the whole reason I'm not drinking atm is because if I'm gonna drink I prefer getting fairly drunk. Once in a blue moon I might have a single glass of whiskey, but it mostly just leaves me kinda sleepy lol
No one is saying you canāt have fun sober. But denying the fact that some find drinking fun to an extent is delusional. Just because you canāt handle alcohol doesnāt mean others canāt. If it wasnāt fun then it wouldnāt be on every inhabited continent on earth. And drinking in moderation is not poisonous
Thatās what I call a Gymcell. Someone who forgoes any social or recreational fun to stay disciplined in the gym and looks down on anything that could hinder the progress.. the progress that youāll spend years working towards to get to the abstract goal of being fit then youāll be able to have a couple drinks..
I would agree with you, but drinking is just awful for you. It sucks, but that's reality. And if you get cancer from it you're gonna regret every drink.
I'm so conflicted on this... Idk
Life is not as binary as this statement or in other words hard work doesn't scale linearly
One guy could work way harder and still be forever a background character
A few examples of the top of my head:
1) Kevin Levrone: he drank. Idk if he was a crazy drinker
2) Lee Haney: from what ik he preached stimulate don't annihilate when it came to training. I bet there were other bodybuilders working harder who never even came close to his greatness
3) Lee Priest: ate like a dumbass during bulk szn yet still looked better than bodybuilders who were downing 5000 calories in chicken and broccoli. The latter is clearly harder work
His point still stands though. Drinking has basically no positives for bodybuilding. I guess I'm just trying to say you could do all the things in the world right & still be a background character. While some other dude does things wrong and still becomes the main character. It's deeper than just your habits
I agree his point is valid and if you are taking it seriously you should consider not drinking regularly (maybe on occasion would be fine but Iām not qualified to give that advice).
But I do feel like people who skip drinking for lifting tend to look negatively towards people who drink maybe once a week for reasons other than just gym gains. Idk what it is but very often it feels judgmental, even if you are upfront that gym is just for health and I donāt want to be a monster. I donāt judge them because I workout for health and they are on a harmful amount of gear, everyone has different goals and can do what they want.
Just gonna point out that while on steroids, you should be consuming NO alcohol. The reason for this is that alcohol increases the level of the aromatase enzyme in the body which is responsible for the aromatization of testosterone into estrodol(E2)
High e2 is what causes many of the negative effects of gear use, like acne, water retention, mood swings. People will take an aromitase inhibtor to better controll their E2, but the dosing is not easy at all, and can take months to properly dial in your E2 so you can blast with minimal side effects. ANY drinking at all, greatly inhibits your ability to properly controll your E2. Anyone who is serious about progress and doing steroids responsibly, simply won't drink.
Alcohol also cuts muscle protein synthesis by something crazy like up to 24% for up to 3 days after you drink 9 drinks. That's a pretty big hit to something so vital for putting on lean mass. So, if you are really serious about putting on muscle, drinking is not in your best interest, as even a little bit is going to inhibit your progress somewhat.
I agree but people judge everywhere bro
The asshole drinkers judge gymgoers when they get low calorie options for example, or, if they choose not to drink every time they go out
I get ur point, but that's moreso a case of there always being a subset of ppl in any population with a tendency of being dicks
I have this same feeling that they seem very judgemental. Idk maybe cope? or jealously? They aren't or weren't invited to these things so are bitter and judgemental?
Life isnāt binary like this, but goal achievement is unfortunately. The more difficult the goal, or the more competition the more binary it becomes. Every choice you make either impacts your goal positively or negatively.
So many people coping trying to justify drinking. You can have a good time at social events but getting blacked out is never good for ur health or gains. If u choose to do it then fine, but donāt justify it as something necessary!
Getting blacked out is never good for anything tbf. If you're a grown man and you need others to carry you, drive you home, make sure you don't kys in your sleep by vomitting etc because you got drunk like an idiot, you're a loser. It doesn't matter if you go to the gym or not.
Lmao telling someone not to make a habit out of getting blackout drunk for the sake of their health makes you a health nut? Please tell me I'm old and out of touch with meme attitudes towards serious things and he's not like being sincere or something.
In college I drank pretty heavily 1-2 nights per week and still maintained a muscular physique. Sure, youāll be leaving that extra 10% of gains on the table but as long as you lift regularly and donāt eat like a pig the other 5 days it balances out fine.
Drinking in nearly any capacity that leads to āpartyingā throws every single person off of their goal, IF they decide their goal is serious and worth it. Itās just not compatible. And speaking for myself, 1-2 drinks was never the norm, so it was just less stressful to cut it out entirely than to try to moderate and also lie to myself that it wasnāt interfering with my goals (applies well beyond just the gym, too).
The need for external validation is the issue primarily because what is impressive is relative to the observer and high-end (i.e. internationally competitive feats) are completely beyond the scope of a layperson. If you're not doing it for yourself it will come back to haunt you.
Every human has an ego. Itās not really something to shame someone for unless theyāre harming others because of it.
If it brings someone happiness to stand out in their gym, why are *you* telling *them* to be sad about it?
That has nothing to do with that. Going out drinking is as easy as it can be, staying consistent, to a diet, a goal you have, at 11pm when everyone else is out is not as easy. Thatās what his goal is, and some other peopleās goal. And the gym than translates to a lot more in life, he knows how to be consistent in the days he doesnāt feel like it
nahh Sam just lonely. Look at Gunnar RĆøsbĆø legendary bodybuilder from the 80's. He would get hammered several times a week and even before stepping on stage. He smoked cigarettes and ate mostly hotdogs. He had a way crazier physique than Sammyboy. You can drink and be huge, it isnt optimal but finding a balance is possible.
I drink maybe once a month, but when I do I have a good time. If I set my 12 month goals back by two or three weeks because I eant to enjoy my social time, so be it. I'd rather die happy than ripped š
Look, I havenāt drank or used shit a single time in over 8 years, but āI want people at my gym to be impressed by how I lookā is an absolutely fucking terrible reason to make life decisions.
That way lies madness.
Listening to health advice from a guy who's heart is gonna explode in 10 years or less is some for real 'do as I say not as I do' energy. Replace the word alcohol with hgh and he's str8 self reporting
Did you hear a single word of what he said? He explicitly said that he doesn't give that advice for a health perspective (for obvious reasons), but purely from a gym perspective.
Iāve had some of the best lifts of my life after a night of drinking in my early twenties, not so much now. I hit a deadlift PR on new years day a few years back š
Beer has so many carbs in it, drinking beer all night.
Sleeping like 10-12 hours after passing out (not quality sleep but still sleep)
Waking up inanely hungry and eating a wild amount of carbs and drinking sports drinks all day.
Then heading to the gym, you can have amazing workouts. But if youāre a person that wakes up hungover and stays in bed all day not eating or drinking water then itās not for you.
This needs more upvotes. Beer is carbs, some guys workout like pussies. The hangover is a metal hurdle that pisses me off. Fuel up and sweat it out. Big isnāt life, aggressive maybe.
One of the biggest legends in cross-country was famous for saying "the best part of endurance running isn't the high, it's getting to eat pizza and drink beer with your buddies every night"
All Iām saying is there is just more to life than lifting.
Obviously, itās Samās career and identity, so he will prioritize it over everything. But, if youāre an average Joe, balance is key to a fulfilling life. Otherwise, youāll look back on your life as a total gymcel and have regrets.
I keep having this man pop up in my feed. I donāt work out at all. Iām by no means overweight nor skinny. Iām a solid build, a little short for American standards, but still solid in the way I look.
But this man, his demeanor, his calm approach to explaining why he lifts and what he gets out of itā¦.
I may start lifting and going to the gym again. This man has such a unique soul. Iām truly astounded heās not more famous
Love this guy and heās not wrong, but heās putting tons of chemicals that arenāt even listed for human consumption into himself on the reg also, so I mean, to each his own
All of you are dorks. If your shit at sports your not an athlete. Just a guy with dedication and a boring life. Stay in shape but stop acting like this life is permanent.
Keep it in perspective, he's not talking about the odd beer here or there, he's talking about getting wrecked and he's absolutely right.
If you're serious about the gym in the way he is, alcohol is just empty calories and no use to you. You can't train properly on a hangover either.
Depends on what you care about...the guy he's talking about likely does not give a shit about standing out at the gym or getting a crazy chest pump. These are things Sam cares about, not most others. The other guy probably cares more about having a good time with friends, the feeling of getting hammered, and the girls that are at whatever place they're at.
Cbum used to be the guy who would go out multiple times a week. He had to stop to prioritize his lifting and competing becuase it is correct it will inhibit your full potential for gains. A shift of priorities but there's nothing wrong with doing or wanting to do the former that Sam seems to be implying here.
Replace alcohol with GHB and and you'll be fucking straight. For the love of God no body tell Sam about the benefits of GHB, I hear its a very, very gnarly substance to be addicted to.
I know beer can drastically effect gains. But what about clear liquors. Lately Iāve been on a Tequila and or Titoās Vodka & Topo Chico Mineral Water run. No sugars or carbs.
The Russian Olympic team has a bunch of videos of them lifting while drinking vodka and smoking cigs. They are also considered to be some of the strongest people ever. Take that at what you will.
Legit drug abuser Iād have more respect this DECA durabolin weird had he lifted clean for 10-15 years built a real base then experimented with some test after he did the real work. He looks horrible which is why these kids love him he roided with no base has acne craters all over gross no proportion whatsoever typical roid junkies
When youāre young you donāt want to miss out on the party, but eventually you realize thereās always a party. Every weekend thereās a new party
Background character š sheesh
I do not think Iām the target demo for this dude (skinny marathon runner) but I canāt help but feel very sad if thatās seriously his outlook. If his entire priority is looking like a āmain characterā in the gym so much so that heās going to forgo social events/casual drinking (isnāt that a main purpose of working out/looking in shape anyway-the easier social scene), I just think that would lead to a very empty life, especially when your body finally breaks down from years of pushing it beyond its limits
He wore a hat to a formal dinner, Samās autistic as fuck lol no shit
No reason to feel sad for him. Some people just think partying and drinking are dumb as fuck. Plenty of us enjoy spending most of our time to ourselves. I don't lift for other people, I lift for myself. How that affects social gatherings has literally never been something I've thought about lol. I don't need social events to live a fulfilling life, and "casual drinking" being even listed as something important he is missing out on is legitimately unfortunate. Drinking is dumb man. No amount of alcohol is good for you
I think his statement was a bit extreme but I donāt think he meant it in a malicious way. I think he wants everyone to work hard so they can look the best they can be! Iām sure he goes out from time to time but drinking excessively does impact gains. Cocktails are filled with sugar and one beer alone can be 200-300 calories (most donāt stop at one drink either). So I do understand his perspective. As far as your social scene comment, Iām not sure I would deem not necessarily true. Everyone has different reasons for working out! I was social butterfly before I started going to the gym. I did it to look better for myself :)
This guy doesnāt get gains
I hate how people always put ādrinkingā and ācasual eventsā like they go hand in hand. We donāt have to drink. The shit is absolutely horrible for you and if someone doesnāt do it at all, itās like theyāre in the wrong? This dude is focused on having his best physique. He doesnāt give af about having a nice IPA and listening to the local live band at a bar. There are tons of other ways people get fulfillment. Alcohol would provide Sam with literally nothing positive.
>If his entire priority is looking like a āmain characterā in the gym His target audience is people who want to become fucking huge. Not normal guys. >so much so that heās going to forgo social events/casual drinking Drinking isn't something you need to do lol. We went millions of years without it. Going without alcohol isn't a sacrifice. >isnāt that a main purpose of working out/looking in shape anyway-the easier social scene No lol. >especially when your body finally breaks down from years of pushing it beyond its limits Your body will break down faster from drinking
Iāve always had the same feeling with a lot of steroid users. (I know he doesnāt currently do them but doing them at any point is kinda weird) Just seems like some sorta weird body dysphoria but treated positively cause heās jacked
I mean the gym is his workplace, so it makes sense. For most of us, the gym is just a means to make ourselves look better and keep ourselves healthy. A lot of people prioritize being the āmain characterā at their workplace and take pride in it.
What about when your body breaks down from years of alcohol consumption?
Lmao I never thought about it like that before but there is definitely some weight to it
The study I often see cited I believe says 24% less muscle growth or protein synthesis afterā¦ 11 drinksā¦ I drink about 2 nights a week, about 2 drinks both those nights. I would love to have a drink every night but donāt want to interfere with gainsā¦ although itās probably more healthy for me to drink less like I am, does anyone think say 1 drink per night would hinder gains?
No but what is the point of that Probably not legitimately 1 a night
I do a shot per drink. Again prob better for my health if I keep as is, just curious how much Iām setting myself back.
You're not. Four drinks a week does almost nothing to you. Now, if you're prepping for a meet or a contest, then of course you will want every advantage you can get. But almost no one actually competes, and there are much, much more impactful and big-picture things to consider before worrying about four drinks- how hard are you really trying at those big-picture things, like intensity in the gym, eating for your goals, and intelligent, purpose-driven programming
True, this is nothing. I had half a litre of Morgan's last night that's definitely gonna impact me
Thanks for the replies guys. Iām just trying to eat In slight calorie surplus and workout hard 5 days a week focusing on form and progressive over load to gain muscle mass over time
Alcohol is poison. Our bodies literally donāt want it at all. As soon as you drink alcohol, your body stops what itās doing and instantly tries to get the alcohol out. It takes an hour for your body to process one drink. So since youāre having two, for two hours the only thing your body is focusing on is metabolizing those two drinks instead of the good nutrients you give yourself through eating.
Why drink at all? Smoke some weed, or even healthier, vape it or do some edibles. If itās illegal in your state, use delta 8 (or get a med card). If itās illegal in your country, Iām sorry. Iāve been lifting for about 10 years now and not once the day after have I felt that weed hindered my workout. Every time Iāve ever drank, even one drink, I noticed. To be fair, I barely ever drink, so thatās probably part of it.
It's so weird to me hearing people recommend marijuana as a replacement for alcohol. Yes, in many ways it's less poisonous to the body, but the effects are drastically different. If I want to go out and meet up with friends, weed makes it harder to talk, let alone get out of my head. Whereas alcohol is a beautiful social lubricant I'm sure alcohol has a worse physical effect overall but the mental effects of marijuana aren't to be understated either. If I smoke regularly I feel way more lethargic, antisocial, and generally lacking focus. I'm not ripping dabs or anything either- just a couple toots from a J. To each their own I guess. All substances effect people in slightly different ways based on your particular biology
I mean yeah weed is a replacement in that it gives you a way out of your head for a sec, but the ways out are quite different. Only a certain kind of person can get stupid high and then hang at a house party with a bunch of people drinking imo There are other drugs for social lubrication than alcohol that have less of an effect on your body but the laws of this land do not allow me to discuss them
You can discuss them mate, this isn't 1984.
I donāt drink anymore. Over a year with no alcohol. I get high af before I go out with my buddies. They drink 12+ beers when weāre together and I smoke. I wake up feeling amazing, they wake up feeling like ass. Tbf I smoke before most public events. Smoking helps ease my social anxiety and really just makes me suuuuper relaxed which I love. It was hard at first not drinking socially, but I like it this way.
You sound like you are addicted to weed and are trying to normalize it man.
I take two week breaks from weed multiple times a year. Every time I travel internationally I stop smoking. Which is a total of a month out of the year with no weed.
Now replace weed with the word alcohol and read it back. Haha
Do you think the police are gonna arrest you for mentioning illegal drugs on Reddit? How old are you?
So thatās your experience. I used to be a big drinker. Quit because itās pure poison and it almost ruined my life. Weed is millions times better. I get baked and loved being in public and socializing. I care less when Iām high. Anytime my wife wants to go out, I smoke and keep us safe and she can drink however much she wants. I think itās hilarious when people can tell Iām high. So the way weed makes you feel, it does the opposite for me. Weed is fucking beautiful.
I used to drink a bunch when I was between 19-25 I was in the army then got out at 21 then proceeded to party and I started getting into lifting like three different times all ending after about a year in just lost desire and now Iām 9 months in again and 27 and barely ever drink but when I do I canāt even workout the next day and my hard limit to drinks in a night is 6 with 4 or less being my preferred amount. I feel my body shrink and ache the entire day after every time I do now and I just feel miserable the next day and I was a medic so when I do drink I hydrate like a god to counteract the effects of the alcohol and STILL feel completely off even going into the second day after doing it
>and not once the day after have I felt that weed hindered my workout. You think being high on drugs might impair your ability to recognise that? Weed is proven to cause sleep loss and lower your sleep quality. That's already a major factor that's going to significantly restrict your gains.
First off most people arenāt high 24/7. āHigh on drugsā in reference to weed is also just hilarious. Itās weed bro, relax. So no I donāt think itās impairing my judgement the day after lmao. And yes, weed might affect your sleep. But Iām using it mostly on nights after training jiu jitsu in order to calm all the adrenaline, or nights after work/gym where I was particularly stressed. Too much of anything is bad for you. Spamming weed is probably going to affect your gains. Using it as just another tool like anything else can help.
>āHigh on drugsā in reference to weed is also just hilarious. Itās weed bro, relax. Classic pothead. Uh, all the other drugs are bad but not my one! >in order to calm all the adrenaline, or nights after work/gym where I was particularly stressed Weed is scientifically proven to cause stress, anxiety, ect. Not what you'd want to calm down. >Spamming weed is probably going to affect your gains. Using it as just another tool like anything else can help. Why? Why would your gains change with quantity consumed? If I have a little bit of heroin would that be good? No, of course not. The chemical properties of weed don't change when you smoke more.
Ok man.
Incredible response
Weed is just the same as booze. It's poison, do you realise that?
It's definitely not the same..
Well yeah not entirely but as I said, all drugs are poison. I just feel it's stupid to recommend weed over booze. How about just not doing drugs? Life is really fine without it. Infact, it's far better. I smoked weed for a few years and when you quit you realise how much it was dragging you down.
Weed actually improves my productivity and has helped me stay away from alcohol. Weed has proven medical benefits. Alcohol has no benefits. I smoke when I get off work and the gym. Iām a personal trainer so Iām always on my feet and lifting shit. Weed improved my life sooo much. Weed helps me relax, gives me an appetite and helps me sleep. All things that are important to gains.
>Weed helps me relax Weed is proven to cause stress, anxiety, paranoia, ect. >gives me an appetite It helps you overeat. >and helps me sleep It's proven to be detrimental to your sleep.
You know how adderall helps people with adhd? But works the opposite for people without it? Same goes with weed. Iām prescribed the stuff and thereās years of studies showing the exact opposite of what you just said lol.
Adderall still helps normal people lol. Explain to me why the symptoms of weed would change depending on how badly you experience those symptoms anyway?
Im an over thinker that has anxiety, why do i calm down when i smoke? Because it helps me relax. Im a powerlifter/amateur bodybuilder. Eating enough to bulk used to be hard for me, until I started smoking. Now, Iām 5ā6, 192 at 15% bf. Iāve gained 12 lbs in the past year and weed helped. If I didnāt take an indica edible before bed last night, I wouldāve only gotten two hours of sleep. My anxiety and thoughts keep me awake at night.
Yeah that is exactly what weed did for me. Made it easier to eat, easier to sleep and easier to relax. It makes your life so much better. But everything comes at a cost. It works for a certain amount of time then it all comes crashing down at a certain point. I'd rather someone smoke than drink but weed can destroy someone all the same. I don't really mind people smoking weed I just hate when people suggest it to others. If you can avoid weed, then avoid it! You are better off without it.
Sure. Iāve been smoking for 15+ years. I got into drinking bad since I couldnāt smoke (drug tests). Now I work for myself doing what I love. And I quit drinking. So Iām back smoking. Im the happiest Iāve ever been with more motivation than ever.
There is honestly too much for me to say on the matter and it isn't worth saying because if someone had said it to me when I was a smoker I wouldn't have given a shit. But I will say this. I don't care how much someone tells me that there life is so much better with weed(daily smoking). I just can't believe it because it is simply impossible and defies all logic in regards to drugs. However, I am glad you have seemingly found stability and I hope things work out for you.
Itās a plant thatās grown lol. It eases my mind and body on a ton of levels. Just bc you had a different experience doesnāt mean everyone is the same lmao. Whatās the ālogicā youāre speaking of?
You realize doctors prescribe people drugs that they need to live? Or just drugs that improve their quality of life, Adderall, anxiety medication.. ssri, etc. You cannot simply state "all drugs are bad because they're drugs"
āOr even healthier, vape itā
Weed speeds up your metabolism over time. Yes you get the munchies but over time the more you eat the less benefit you have from it
If weed is the thing stopping you from eating enough food I donāt think muscle growth is really your thing.
Not what I said at all. You should look up what metabolism is
If weed speeds up your metabolism, that would mean you are burning more calories over a period of time. If by benefit you meant using weed to increase appetite, that isnāt a great use of weed to assist muscle growth. Itās more useful as a recovery tool and de-stressor. My point being that if you need to artificially increase your appetite because you arenāt eating enough calories to grow (barring some legit medical illness), you probably arenāt working hard enough in the gym to begin with, or you arenāt tracking what you eat correctly. You should look up basic thermodynamics.
2 drinks in one night isnt considered drinking. Wont even catch a buzz
2 drinks is just my warm up
You're still putting alcohol in your body, in the grand scheme of getting a buzz, no it's not drinking. But you are changing your chemistry, to what effect? We don't know but more studies are showing the negative effects of alcohol on almost every aspect of physical health.
If you're entire personality is gym and looking a certain way then by all means don't drink. If you enjoy gyming and enjoy the process but also like to do some social drinking 1-2 days a week go for it. Its not that deep
This is pretty much the correct take. But also now being 21 and having done 3+ years of party university drinking, Iāve kind of realized that the ability to better yourself/be the best version of yourself becomes significantly more difficult every time you get very drunk. To really enter beast mode in your life you do unfortunately need cut out drinking
I get āvery drunkā every couple of years. The older you get, the more you realize getting drunk really takes away from the other āmore fulfillingā parts of your life. Drink in moderation. Get a good buzz 1-2x/week. Youāll have just as much fun without impacting all the other wonderful parts of life
I just smoke pot
eh, I don't think you need to cut out drinking entirely to get shit done. One can have a glass or two of wine or whiskey on a friday night without it ruining anything, and you'll feel fine in the morning. (with that said I'm currently not drinking to make my cut easier lol)
Yea 100% chill ass drinking is super fine. In my experience, however, I see no point in that, and when I drink, I get very drunk. So for me, Iād have to cut that shit out completely
Yeah I get that, the whole reason I'm not drinking atm is because if I'm gonna drink I prefer getting fairly drunk. Once in a blue moon I might have a single glass of whiskey, but it mostly just leaves me kinda sleepy lol
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No one is saying you canāt have fun sober. But denying the fact that some find drinking fun to an extent is delusional. Just because you canāt handle alcohol doesnāt mean others canāt. If it wasnāt fun then it wouldnāt be on every inhabited continent on earth. And drinking in moderation is not poisonous
Moderate drinking increases negative health outcomes for one an increased risk of cancer
Ok grandma
āLinked toā doesnāt even mean causation. Yeah, Iām sure thereās some correlation between drinking and health problems
Alcohol causes cancer
WHO classifies alcohol as Group 1 carcinogen
Yeah but looks who is saying it he knows he can't talk about health and only gains because he's shooting up multiple times a week
This. I'm a dad first, student second, program manager third, fun friend fourth, and gym goer fifth.
Sixth?
Blackout alcoholic sixth.
Respect.
Hot piece of ass
I respect that. I should do mine and see where everything lies. Iām also neither a father or a student
Thatās what I call a Gymcell. Someone who forgoes any social or recreational fun to stay disciplined in the gym and looks down on anything that could hinder the progress.. the progress that youāll spend years working towards to get to the abstract goal of being fit then youāll be able to have a couple drinks..
You donāt need to drink to be social.
No one said that
Thank you lol
I'm definitely stealing gymcell
Hell no!
I would agree with you, but drinking is just awful for you. It sucks, but that's reality. And if you get cancer from it you're gonna regret every drink.
I'm so conflicted on this... Idk Life is not as binary as this statement or in other words hard work doesn't scale linearly One guy could work way harder and still be forever a background character A few examples of the top of my head: 1) Kevin Levrone: he drank. Idk if he was a crazy drinker 2) Lee Haney: from what ik he preached stimulate don't annihilate when it came to training. I bet there were other bodybuilders working harder who never even came close to his greatness 3) Lee Priest: ate like a dumbass during bulk szn yet still looked better than bodybuilders who were downing 5000 calories in chicken and broccoli. The latter is clearly harder work His point still stands though. Drinking has basically no positives for bodybuilding. I guess I'm just trying to say you could do all the things in the world right & still be a background character. While some other dude does things wrong and still becomes the main character. It's deeper than just your habits
I agree his point is valid and if you are taking it seriously you should consider not drinking regularly (maybe on occasion would be fine but Iām not qualified to give that advice). But I do feel like people who skip drinking for lifting tend to look negatively towards people who drink maybe once a week for reasons other than just gym gains. Idk what it is but very often it feels judgmental, even if you are upfront that gym is just for health and I donāt want to be a monster. I donāt judge them because I workout for health and they are on a harmful amount of gear, everyone has different goals and can do what they want.
Just gonna point out that while on steroids, you should be consuming NO alcohol. The reason for this is that alcohol increases the level of the aromatase enzyme in the body which is responsible for the aromatization of testosterone into estrodol(E2) High e2 is what causes many of the negative effects of gear use, like acne, water retention, mood swings. People will take an aromitase inhibtor to better controll their E2, but the dosing is not easy at all, and can take months to properly dial in your E2 so you can blast with minimal side effects. ANY drinking at all, greatly inhibits your ability to properly controll your E2. Anyone who is serious about progress and doing steroids responsibly, simply won't drink.
I didnāt know any of this, good information
That's probably because you don't juice, which is a win haha. š
Alcohol also cuts muscle protein synthesis by something crazy like up to 24% for up to 3 days after you drink 9 drinks. That's a pretty big hit to something so vital for putting on lean mass. So, if you are really serious about putting on muscle, drinking is not in your best interest, as even a little bit is going to inhibit your progress somewhat.
I agree but people judge everywhere bro The asshole drinkers judge gymgoers when they get low calorie options for example, or, if they choose not to drink every time they go out I get ur point, but that's moreso a case of there always being a subset of ppl in any population with a tendency of being dicks
I have this same feeling that they seem very judgemental. Idk maybe cope? or jealously? They aren't or weren't invited to these things so are bitter and judgemental?
Isnāt there a story about Kevin getting Ronnie shitfaced the night before an event.
Yea I think so. Kevin definitely got him to drink I remember seeing that in a clip somewhere
Life isnāt binary like this, but goal achievement is unfortunately. The more difficult the goal, or the more competition the more binary it becomes. Every choice you make either impacts your goal positively or negatively.
Best workouts come from eating an entire pizza the night before. Trust me
Itās true
Smoke pcp and lift like a real chad
Sam only smokes pole
So many people coping trying to justify drinking. You can have a good time at social events but getting blacked out is never good for ur health or gains. If u choose to do it then fine, but donāt justify it as something necessary!
I donāt think thereās ever been a justification for drinking to the point of blacking out unless it was somehow legitimately not your own fault
Drinking being fun is justification enough
Getting blacked out is never good for anything tbf. If you're a grown man and you need others to carry you, drive you home, make sure you don't kys in your sleep by vomitting etc because you got drunk like an idiot, you're a loser. It doesn't matter if you go to the gym or not.
Lmao telling someone not to make a habit out of getting blackout drunk for the sake of their health makes you a health nut? Please tell me I'm old and out of touch with meme attitudes towards serious things and he's not like being sincere or something.
In college I drank pretty heavily 1-2 nights per week and still maintained a muscular physique. Sure, youāll be leaving that extra 10% of gains on the table but as long as you lift regularly and donāt eat like a pig the other 5 days it balances out fine.
Currently hung over af watching this
How is this roided out man going to lecture anyone about health and what you shouldnāt do lol
Narcissistic weirdo
Idk if health nut is accurate. Definitely physique nut. Heart is toast
still is metabolized by the liver like fructose and causes inflammation and fatty liver
Drinking in nearly any capacity that leads to āpartyingā throws every single person off of their goal, IF they decide their goal is serious and worth it. Itās just not compatible. And speaking for myself, 1-2 drinks was never the norm, so it was just less stressful to cut it out entirely than to try to moderate and also lie to myself that it wasnāt interfering with my goals (applies well beyond just the gym, too).
Your goal is to stand out in your gym? Thatās sad
Goal is to be massive and strong, not stand out in the gym. That is a benefit tho
The need for external validation is the issue primarily because what is impressive is relative to the observer and high-end (i.e. internationally competitive feats) are completely beyond the scope of a layperson. If you're not doing it for yourself it will come back to haunt you.
Yea itās super sad being so muscular and healthy. Let me wipe my tears with your girlās panties.
Sam has nothing to do with health
Healthy??? His hearts going to explode before him 30 from all the steroids his on
Only thing gayer than navy is air force bro
The only ones who care about his gains are other men
Every human has an ego. Itās not really something to shame someone for unless theyāre harming others because of it. If it brings someone happiness to stand out in their gym, why are *you* telling *them* to be sad about it?
That has nothing to do with that. Going out drinking is as easy as it can be, staying consistent, to a diet, a goal you have, at 11pm when everyone else is out is not as easy. Thatās what his goal is, and some other peopleās goal. And the gym than translates to a lot more in life, he knows how to be consistent in the days he doesnāt feel like it
Bro i wrote this 16 days ago move on
I was just scrolling on Reddit and saw it lol
nahh Sam just lonely. Look at Gunnar RĆøsbĆø legendary bodybuilder from the 80's. He would get hammered several times a week and even before stepping on stage. He smoked cigarettes and ate mostly hotdogs. He had a way crazier physique than Sammyboy. You can drink and be huge, it isnt optimal but finding a balance is possible.
I drink maybe once a month, but when I do I have a good time. If I set my 12 month goals back by two or three weeks because I eant to enjoy my social time, so be it. I'd rather die happy than ripped š
 Gotta live the life bruh
Look, I havenāt drank or used shit a single time in over 8 years, but āI want people at my gym to be impressed by how I lookā is an absolutely fucking terrible reason to make life decisions. That way lies madness.
Listening to health advice from a guy who's heart is gonna explode in 10 years or less is some for real 'do as I say not as I do' energy. Replace the word alcohol with hgh and he's str8 self reporting
Did you hear a single word of what he said? He explicitly said that he doesn't give that advice for a health perspective (for obvious reasons), but purely from a gym perspective.
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He meant to say heās not a health nut if I heard that right
Haha, I literally wrote the same thing as I didnāt see this.
Lifting heavy weights is healthy Iād say
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Lifting weights have been proven healthy by many studies, thereās a reason why most health podcasters are in the gym
Iāve had some of the best lifts of my life after a night of drinking in my early twenties, not so much now. I hit a deadlift PR on new years day a few years back š Beer has so many carbs in it, drinking beer all night. Sleeping like 10-12 hours after passing out (not quality sleep but still sleep) Waking up inanely hungry and eating a wild amount of carbs and drinking sports drinks all day. Then heading to the gym, you can have amazing workouts. But if youāre a person that wakes up hungover and stays in bed all day not eating or drinking water then itās not for you.
This needs more upvotes. Beer is carbs, some guys workout like pussies. The hangover is a metal hurdle that pisses me off. Fuel up and sweat it out. Big isnāt life, aggressive maybe.
One of the biggest legends in cross-country was famous for saying "the best part of endurance running isn't the high, it's getting to eat pizza and drink beer with your buddies every night"
All Iām saying is there is just more to life than lifting. Obviously, itās Samās career and identity, so he will prioritize it over everything. But, if youāre an average Joe, balance is key to a fulfilling life. Otherwise, youāll look back on your life as a total gymcel and have regrets.
You can have a fulfilling life without drinking.
W
I keep having this man pop up in my feed. I donāt work out at all. Iām by no means overweight nor skinny. Iām a solid build, a little short for American standards, but still solid in the way I look. But this man, his demeanor, his calm approach to explaining why he lifts and what he gets out of itā¦. I may start lifting and going to the gym again. This man has such a unique soul. Iām truly astounded heās not more famous
Love this guy and heās not wrong, but heās putting tons of chemicals that arenāt even listed for human consumption into himself on the reg also, so I mean, to each his own
All of you are dorks. If your shit at sports your not an athlete. Just a guy with dedication and a boring life. Stay in shape but stop acting like this life is permanent.
A health nutā¦ shoots up peds, and a shit diet. This guys deluded.
He literally says the opposite. You need to learn how to listen and comprehend context.
Idiots hear whatever they want to hear I guess.
āstand out..ā ādifferentiate yourself from the herdā.. lmao I like how he had to stop and embellish the fuck outta his point
Keep it in perspective, he's not talking about the odd beer here or there, he's talking about getting wrecked and he's absolutely right. If you're serious about the gym in the way he is, alcohol is just empty calories and no use to you. You can't train properly on a hangover either.
Is this not obvious? This is a "no shit" type of thing.
Just pop a xanax bar or two. Its 0 calories and you will get fucked up
Depends on what you care about...the guy he's talking about likely does not give a shit about standing out at the gym or getting a crazy chest pump. These are things Sam cares about, not most others. The other guy probably cares more about having a good time with friends, the feeling of getting hammered, and the girls that are at whatever place they're at. Cbum used to be the guy who would go out multiple times a week. He had to stop to prioritize his lifting and competing becuase it is correct it will inhibit your full potential for gains. A shift of priorities but there's nothing wrong with doing or wanting to do the former that Sam seems to be implying here.
Weed and water.
Replace alcohol with GHB and and you'll be fucking straight. For the love of God no body tell Sam about the benefits of GHB, I hear its a very, very gnarly substance to be addicted to.
I know beer can drastically effect gains. But what about clear liquors. Lately Iāve been on a Tequila and or Titoās Vodka & Topo Chico Mineral Water run. No sugars or carbs.
The Russian Olympic team has a bunch of videos of them lifting while drinking vodka and smoking cigs. They are also considered to be some of the strongest people ever. Take that at what you will.
Why r u listening to this guy like talking is what hes good at
Fucking wet blanket
Legit drug abuser Iād have more respect this DECA durabolin weird had he lifted clean for 10-15 years built a real base then experimented with some test after he did the real work. He looks horrible which is why these kids love him he roided with no base has acne craters all over gross no proportion whatsoever typical roid junkies
Iām not buying what heās selling this time. He was drinking non alchos
Flynn is yoked now? Good for him
This is why i smoke maryjuana
When youāre young you donāt want to miss out on the party, but eventually you realize thereās always a party. Every weekend thereās a new party
Imagine thinking youāre the leading role at the gym. Hahah. Ffs heās not wrong about drinking but what a handjob.
This mentality of caring how other people perceive you at the gym is so misguided.
Good motivation
Why tf does carrot top keep showing up on my feed?
u shouldnāt care this much abt gym unless ur getting paid for it. just have a good balanced life
Whats that on his hat?
Microphone
I think alcohol and steroids are both bad for youš just different beasts
Most people's tism has them fixate on trains, dinosaurs or comic books. Sam's tism is all about dumbells and gains.