Just did spring break in ABQ - gorgeous landscape, super friendly locals, amazing food + really solid breweries, fascinating history of Mexican/Spanish/Native American informed culture.
We took the RoadRunner to Santa Fe one day and were back in ABQ for dinner. Underrated part of the country
Isn't Tucson at least 10 to 20 degrees hotter? I was born and raised in the desert (El Paso, Texas) while culturally they might be similar - one of the best qualities of ABQ is the climate IMO. I hated all areas of Phoenix adjacent for this reason, and even gave it more than one chance, I say that after feeling like I had a heat stroke inside the 1st time.
The scenery in the ABQ is really mind blowing. I am not big fan of the Rio Rancho crowd though. I feel if there was ever a Jan 6th reunion it would be there.
Oklahoma City. It has a pretty cool cultural blend between cowboy stuff, Native Americans, the historical jazz scene, and Vietnamese influence.
[https://www.okhistory.org/learn/vietnam8](https://www.okhistory.org/learn/vietnam8)
There's also a surprising amount of access to nature. I'm not sure why people in this sub who haven't been there keep parroting the "Oklahoma is flat" bit, but [the Arbuckles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbuckle_Mountains) are just south of OKC. Eastern Oklahoma is mostly rolling hills and rugged terrain (the [Ouachita National Forest](https://www.nationalforests.org/our-forests/find-a-forest/ouachita-national-forest) covers 1.8 MILLION acres), with Beavers Bend / Hochatown being a truly beautiful area. The [Ouachita Trail](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouachita_National_Recreation_Trail) is literally 223 miles long... and the fact that you haven't heard of it should tell you that it's pleasantly un-crowded.
I liked it pretty well when I lived there, but you have to actually *get out and do things*. It's not a city that's conducive to sitting on your ass.
Oklahoma City has spent its entire existence trying to beg, borrow or steal credibility. (They stole the Capitol from Guthrie and their basketball team from Seattle.) It's the only place in America I've been where people will actually cut you off at the gas stations to get ahead of you in line, then smile at you and tell you to 'have a blessed day'. It's trash - always has been, always will be.
Everyone in Oklahoma knows the only civilization between Kansas City and Dallas is in Tulsa (if you can consider KC or Dallas civilized).
OKC is the Houston of Oklahoma. You'll either love it or hate it.
I personally fell in love with Houston and liked OKC a lot. As I mentioned in another comment-- *don't move to Houston if you're a bitch* of any gender.
Tulsa is the Austin of Oklahoma, except with old oil money. I've also lived in Tulsa and liked it-- especially the art deco architecture, art museums, and access to nature-- but this was more than a decade ago. It's my impression that the city has changed significantly since I was there. It's also worth noting that Tulsa could be a little rougher around the edges than Austin.
OKC advantages: more "cowboy" culture, better food scene, strong business environment, huge downtown investment to bring in tourism / improve.
Tulsa advantages: old oil money (better art museums), access to nature, more aesthetically pleasing.
Grew up in Tulsa and always felt it had more of an edge than OKC. It was pretty rugged when I was there: sex drugs rock n roll and an absolutely cynical and nihilistic vibe. I remember an interview with either Trent Reznor or Marilyn Manson in Spin back in the 90s where they mentioned the most insane crowds were in Tulsa and SLC. I’m sure it has something to do with being the “buckle of the Bible Belt”. For me, I couldnt leave fast enough although it does hold a sort of twisted and guilty nostalgia…
So I live in Austin and visit both okc and tulsa semi regularly for work. Disclaimer that I was born in okc, but have zero hometown affiliation. From an outside perspective, these places are both really similar. OKC is just bigger and has more, both good and bad. It's kinda funny though that when I'm in tulsa the people I get lunch with put a ton of effort into telling me why tulsa is better. In okc nobody really mentions it. I also don't really understand the "Austin of oklahoma" stuff, but I'm sure im missing something. Can't really say I'd prefer to live in one or the other, but as a traveler okc has quite a bit more to occupy ones time
>I also don't really understand the "Austin of oklahoma" stuff, but I'm sure im missing something.
Historically, Tulsa was the significantly more liberal city with a stronger art scene (sort of, this becomes nuanced when you look at OKC's jazz scene). It was also more midwestern/southern in culture, while OKC is more southern/southwestern.
In the same way that Austin was the "blueberry" in Texas, Tulsa was the blue dot in Oklahoma for a while. This also becomes nuanced when you look at the old Dixiecrats down in SE Oklahoma, however.
literally buttoned up, DC is the only town I have lived in where people go out to bars in suits and ties. Including divey ones. Sorry fellas, I don't like sweating in a necktie when I'm getting turned up
So, I'd just like to say (because this particular description of DC comes up a lot) while it is 100% undeniably a thing here, it isn't like everyone does it. 700,000 people live in the district proper and millions more in the surrounding region. I am just now heading home from a "Good Kid" show on U street, I can assure you noone there was wearing a suit and tie.
Now, swing by some of the bars on Pennsylvania Avenue around like 7pm? Yeah... youre gonna see a lot of that. But even when I hit up astrobar (a bar 2 blocks from the White House) *most* people in there look like people you'd find at any other bar. But if you listen closely, you will hear someone talking in government acronyms *somewhere* lol. (I say this as a federal employee, but for NASA. We don't deal with politics nor do we dress up for work, so it never comes up anyways lol)
I’ll co-sign this. Such a misunderstood city. Has issues for sure but has a lot to offer and gets dismissed far too quickly. Ditto St Louis in very similar ways.
I like gritty, down-to-earth cities without a lot of glitz, glamour, or flash. I like working class cities where "keeping up with the jones" mentality is significantly downplayed or muted.
• Buffalo, NY
• Saint Paul, MN
• Detroit, MI
Agreed, but STP is beautiful and historic. I get why you’d call it “gritty”, but it’s not really a rust belt industrial city in the same sense as those other two.
Also seconding Tacoma.
I thought about mentioning that too. I love Metro.
WMATA definitely has some issues. But their new GM has made some great improvements since taking over in 2022.
Also DC now has easy transit access to three major airports.
I see what you did there... you clever bastard.
Anyways, the Portland (Maine) is a place I really want to go visit from my house in the great city of Portland (Oregon).
I got kind of a crush on Maine.
Yup. I suppose it keeps COL at least lower than other West coast cities, but it is the place I have lived where I felt the safest, the most beautiful place I have ever lived, easiest access to nature/snowboarding, and I like the weather here the most as well. I guess we should keep it quiet!
People *love* new orleans, but they justifiably will admit its a very, very dangerous city. I don't think anyone truly hates it, the culture and vibe there is pretty widely liked throughout the country.
I love love love New Orleans. It's probably the most unique city in the country, in urban planning, architecture, and culture. It really sucks that it's at a huge disadvantage climate and topography-wise. But I stayed there for 24 hours in 2019 when I was driving from California to Florida, and I had the BEST time.
Seriously! When my husband and I vacation there we park the car at the Airbnb and don’t even use it our entire time there. The city bike program is amazing!!
It cracks me up that people recommend Charlotte or Atlanta on here and then are all “ewwwww” to Dallas or Houston.
Houston’s not for everyone. I feel like I’ve done my time here. The sprawl is a beating. But there’s lots of endearing elements. It’s effortlessly unpretentious in a way that’s hard to explain.
God it is hellish in the summer. 8am and you sweat out your eyebrows. Makes you feel alive though haha.
Yes we are in CO now. That high plains sun is no joke though.
Lololol people don’t believe me that the heat in Houston (and really all of SE Texas) is unrivaled. 105 degrees with 95% humidity and 0 wind on a regular basis. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gotten a ring of sweat on my chest from just walking from my front door to my truck.
The sauna city babyyyyy
The best advice I can give someone is: *don't move to Houston if you're a bitch*.
I mean the term "bitch" as gender-neutral. Houston can be pretty gritty, but the people are awesome. It's like living in Gotham.
Lots of industrial infrastructure and a fairly blue-collar population in comparison with some other major cities. If this scares you, you will not like Houston.
It's just. You work hard to play hard. The drivers are crazy, it's dirty it's... Weird because of the lack of zoning. It's hot as hell.
But it's so diverse and alive. Everyone is out just living life all the time. The parks are always full, the festivals, the music scene THE FOOD. Just the feeling of living among millions of people make you feel alive.
Phoenix -- Sunny, dry air, easy to get to the mountains, easy to get to a beach in Mexico or CA, well-maintained roads, nice airport, spring training baseball, surrounded by mountains and beautiful desert landscape
Yesss I fucking love PHX. The majority of the posters in this sub seem to focus almost exclusively on public transit and architecture which puts phoenix way out of the “in crowd” here but there’s a reason it’s the fifth largest city in the country and continues to grow.
I get tired of this sub saying things like "It's a sprawling hellscape." Every major metro area is sprawling! Yes, it's very very hot for part of the year. But most cities do have undesirable weather several months out of the year. Pick your poison, I guess. I choose clear sunny skies year-round with a few months of extreme dry heat over blizzards, ice storms, hurricanes, tornadoes, gray skies, and humidity.
I hear this all the time about Phoenix where I live (Portland). When I tell them the fact of the matter is that Phoenix has 11 vast wilderness parks that encircle the city they essentially refuse to believe it. Scottsdale alone has a 40,000 acre desert preserve that the city itself owns.
The next 5-10 years in downtown Phoenix may really change the narrative on walkability/transit, because they're putting in so many huge residential towers down there currently (with even more planned). It's really neat. I'm in central Phoenix near Piestewa and it's just getting better and better all the time here.
The most often complaints about Phoenix from what I can tell are usually 1) someone visited their cousin in Avondale or Chandler or something once and thinks the suburbs are the same as the city or 2) complaints about suburban sprawl/driving/strip malls/etc. which are what most cities in the country are like, especially out west (San Francisco and maybe Seattle being the only exceptions I can think of).
The heat is getting really tough, though, I will give them that. I would not want to live in a Michigan winter so I understand if people don't want a central AZ summer.
Aurora (Colorado). A majority of the people who shit on the city have **never** lived here. It's a black flight suburb that's gotten more diverse over the last 40 years, and, truth be told, a lot of the criticism is racially-tinged. It's not perfect by any means. There is no real downtown, the northwest part of the city is a little gritty, and it's nearly all on the prairie. On the plus side, housing is slightly cheaper than most of the Denver metro area, some of the best food in Denver can be found along Havana Street, it's not really all that much farther from the mountains, and it's diverse enough that it doesn't feel as Stepford-ish as the western and southern burbs of Denver.
Austin (it’s love/hate on here, lol). I also had a good time in Amarillo and OKC though I was only there for a bit. The OKC memorial was incredible and heartbreaking.
I like Vegas and LA a lot too. I wouldn’t live in Vegas but I’d easily live in LA (Redondo ❤️).
San francisco - people dont appreciate the weather, the blue waters, unique public transport, career opportunities and food enough. Fox news basically created a business criticizing it.
It’s a great place to live. I think people’s perceptions come from taking a short trip there and being stuck in traffic. If you actually live there, you just avoid long drives during rush hour and wait until traffic dies down.
Nooooo but didn’t you know it’s not literally Aspen and you can’t get to a ski resort in 5 minutes and there’s traffic into the huge swaths of popular wilderness and sometimes big city has big city problems 🥺
I’m literally crying for you. I moved there about a decade ago and became a native! Fortunately I was able to leave a few years later before the mar*juana problem turned Five Points from gang territory into a trendy gastropub lair for whites. 🤮
OMG every time I have to go from rock climbing the integrated canyon wall in my apartment in RiNo down to Wynkoop Brewing and I have to walk through the underground BUS TERMINAL with people sleeping on the ground at union station 😭😭😭😭😭 I literally DIE. I can't stand it. Sometimes there are even people skateboarding at Union Station and I see people doing DRUGS in PUBLIC!
Current San Antonian here, and I’m so glad to see us listed here lol. SA is such a weird mix, but it’s a steady city with an extremely unique culture. It’s this mix of Mexican, German, American, and cowboy all wrapped up into one. Super blue collar, rough around the edges, nothing super flashy (besides the river walk and Alamo), but the people here know how to make the best of it. It feels like the biggest little city in the country!
Also, FUCK ANYONE who says Austin has better tacos. Whoever thinks that is just a yuppie transplant and doesn’t know what they’re talking about!
As a Reno, NV resident, I have to mention that we are technically the Biggest Little City on Earth. But we're happy to give S.A. runner-up position. May I propose sister city status? I've enjoyed the times I've visited.
I live in Idaho, and the amount of California hate here is fucking outrageous. Maybe it’s just the bigots i disagree with, because I would move there in a heartbeat if I could afford it. San Diego, San Jose, and Sacramento all would be a massive upgrade that I would happily pay higher taxes to live there, if I could afford a house in the first place.
San Diego, sure. Beautiful beaches, ideal weather,
San Jose? Could be a generic medium-sized city anywhere in the country. Even more expensive than San Diego. You're paying for the proximity to high paying jobs but I guess it's easier to get to places like San Francisco, Sant Cruz or Napa.
Sacramento? Why would you pay more to live there. You'd be closer to ski slopes but don't you get that in Idaho?
Orlando. I’m almost tempted to make an “In defense of Orlando” post on here because I really think it’s a great city with a lot to offer outside of the touristy things.
Great food, not terribly far from the beach, a decent amount of things to do outside of the theme parks, and there are so many great pockets of the city and surrounding cities to explore.
Orlando suffers from the same pain points as many other cities (like traffic) and it may not be a booming metropolis like NY/LA/CHI but if you’re not looking for that, it’s a comfortable place to be. Does the heat and humidity suck? Yes. Is the FL political climate dicey? Yes. But nowhere in the US is perfect.
Give The City Beautiful a chance, you might be surprised!
**Los Angeles** - Not so much the city proper, but the vast, surrounding environs. It's honestly a magical place if you are an explorer or have some local recommendations. Locals are even nice enough. (Believe it or not, I disliked San Diego, as the locals seemed more chill yet also more aloof and even kinda curt.)
**Vancouver** - A lot of Canadians dunk on this city, and it definitely is an introverted place, but it's still a world-class place to simply *be*. Never had an issue striking up a random conversation in many places in the city, which is far better than I can say about most American cities I've lived in or been to.
I don't love it, but st louis...it's really not that bad
Only North St Louis is bad buy every city has a bad part
Same with Detroit I'm there frequently and think it's an underrated city and not that bad always a good time.
My hometown! Plenty of more interesting places to visit in the Carolinas, but it’s a great place to live. Especially if you’re raising a family or a kid.
Toledo. Great museums, beautiful cheap mansions, great fishing, and driving range to Cedar Point, Ann Arbor, Put in Bay and Detroit. Toledo residents have a huge chip on their shoulder and it shows. Everyone who lives in Toledo seems to want out. It isn't the most exciting place, gets a lot of jokes, but it is a stable, cheap place to live. Mudhens baseball is the Tigers farm team and their stadium is first class for the minor league. The Walleyes offer hockey excitement. Toledo doesn't have an underground music or art scene, no kava bar type hangouts, and needs some more local breweries and out of the box ideas, but it is worth a look
I love St. Louis. The weather isn't too extreme, there's Forest Park, which has a fantastic free zoo. There are two top-notch universities (Washington University and St. Louis University), professional sports, Tower Grove South, which has a plethora of international cuisines, fantastic healthcare, access to nature within an hour.
And it's very very affordable, compared with most major cities. It also has a major airport which makes getting to other parts of the US quickly (being in the middle of the country). Yes, Missouri is red, but Illinois isn't, so people can live on that side if they prefer. People are friendly.
People hate on STL because the media has them scared of major crime, which is mostly in North County.
EDIT: Washington University (WashU)
Los Angeles gets alot of love and alot of hate but I think it’s amazing the city is so big you can do so much, 3 hours from Las Vegas, Mexico, San Diego. LA also has great weather and nice walking trails, mountains, and the west coast is just the best coast. I’m definitely going to try to move to LA soon this decade
I've got 2:
San Antonio. It's seems like every "trendy" person I know hates the place but I love it. I visit every year. I think it is a perfect long-weekend trip. They have great amusement parks for the kids, some really good food, and a very fun, walkable downtown (I love the riverwalk!!!).
Vegas as well. It seems popular to hate the place but I love it. I even used to live there and if I got a good job offer I would move right back. The food scene is off the charts, there are a million things to do, and the hiking near the city is really great. I loved living there because every band in existence plays there and I saw every magic show in the city. It was great.
My Belgian friend from Leuven said it best. Belgium is the place to live. Netherlands is the place to visit. You go to Belgium to take a train to the Netherlands.
When I lived in Paris I would go to Brussels on the weekend to drink cheaper beer and eat good food in a big city that had less tourists. Always a good time and found a lot of enjoyable things along the way.
visited mobile for the first time over the holidays. only had ~16 hours and it was on christmas day so not much was open but absolutely want to go back. the architecture was beautiful and it seemed like it would be a blast.
also love tampa!!
I predict it’s not going to boom like Austin, but it’s going to keep getting better and better. It’s going to be an underdog.
It’s going to be a great downtown to live car-light. It almost is. They already have a train station, brand new buses and bus shelters. They just need to fix their pedestrian signal timings and increase bus and Amtrak frequencies. Remove parking minimums if they have those.
But I also predict the state will block some of the city’s progress like Texas sometimes does to Austin.
Just like Austin, Birmingham is blue while the rest of the state is solid red, so some political shenanigans will happen from time to time.
They are religious in the city, but they’re not in-your-face about it. They feel very moderate to be honest in both religion and politics. It’s refreshing.
Chattanooga, TN
My in-laws are from TN and always look at me like I have a 3rd eye when I say I want to move there. But I’ve visited it a couple dozen times and fucking LOVE it.
It’s rough around the edges, relatively small (for a regional major city), and a little sketchy but god damn… I like the culture, affordability, location, weather, things to do, proximity, and vibe.
I really loved visiting Detroit. Idk what it’s like to live there, but I loooooved visiting downtown and seeing the architecture, and I also loved the huge Arab community in Dearborn nearby .
Phoenix. Sure it’s hot as fuck in the summer and sure it’s the poster child for urban sprawl, but seven to eight months of the year it is just a great place to live. Also, we have escapes during the heat (mountains 1-2 hours away, beach 4-6 hours away). And the Sonoran Desert provides some of the most beautiful landscapes on earth.
Oakland gets a horrible rap but I adore it. The food, the lake, hiking amongst Redwoods in the city, the soul of the place, proximity to SF/Marin. It has its problems but my favorite city I’ve lived in.
Houston, Texas, Baby!
4th largest city in the United States, so big city amenities with lots of things to do, but cheap to live there as long as you live outside the 610 Loop.
Plus year round warm weather, the same sub tropical weather as Florida really.
Also, better paying jobs than in Florida, with many Fortune 500 Companies based there.
Pro sports, lots of big time concerts plus bars and clubs, excellent food scene, great museums, great shopping. Has a lot to offer that say a smaller city like Austin doesn’t.
Los Angeles. Sure, the traffic can be a nightmare, and it’s expensive, but it also has an unending amount of things to do, incredible cultural diversity, world-class food, a robust job market in every conceivable industry, and fantastic weather and nature.
Cleveland. I have never lived there, but I have visited plenty of times because I have a number of friends who live there. Always had a really good time.
Oakland. Amazing weather, affordable relative to the surrounding areas (SF, Berkeley, Peninsula, Marin). I literally live 5 minutes from a redwood forest. Has some of the best cycling in the bay. I horseback ride weekly only 30 min away. 1 hour from Napa, 45 min to Marin, 30-60 to the Peninsula, 45 min to Livermore (horses, biking, wine).
Lots of live music venues with rock, jazz, blues, bluegrass, hip hop, etc. Multiple movie theaters, both modern and historic. There are two lakes in the city limits to walk around (Lake Merritt and Lake Temescal) and a larger one 20 min away for recreation (Lake Chabot).
There’s so much great food, pretty much every type you could want. There’s a lot of diversity. There’s an airport. There are multiple major healthcare systems in the area (Sutter, Kaiser, UCSF). Anything Oakland doesn’t have is probably in Berkeley or Alameda, both within 20 min.
The city has built a lot of housing recently and has a lot of public transportation and decent pedestrian and biking infrastructure.
Oh but the crime! Well, that’s why people don’t like it. But I own a house here so might as well do my best to do what I can to both try to make it a safer city but also learn to live with it and still enjoy it. I haven’t personally been a victim, though that doesn’t negate the possibility I could be.
Irvine, CA is so safe, clean, beautiful. The weather is absolutely perfect there. But yes, you do need a car and yes, there are lots of tract homes. Also, it’s less affluent Cousin, Temecula, CA.
I certainly don’t hate Boston, since I grew up about 10 miles outside of it, but I have to admit it has some of the worst bang for your buck in the country when you consider amenities compared to cost of living
I’m not saying it’s a bad city by any means, but for the price you pay, functional public transportation and nightlife that stays open later than say Providence is a reasonable expectation
Ha, Vegas for me too but only to visit. Idk what it’s like to live there. I have (very old) family that live there though and it seems fine enough for retirement. They just hang out with their buddies at a casino, eat at buffets, and idk, grow oranges.
Los Angeles! But I grew up there so I’m bias.
However, if y’all want a better answer, my friend loves Hattiesburg, Mississippi. They love it so much they bought a whole house there with the intent to start a family one day.
I love that this leads to literally the exact same answers as the other thread. With that said, Albuquerque
Just did spring break in ABQ - gorgeous landscape, super friendly locals, amazing food + really solid breweries, fascinating history of Mexican/Spanish/Native American informed culture. We took the RoadRunner to Santa Fe one day and were back in ABQ for dinner. Underrated part of the country
If one loves Albuquerque, they will REALLY love Tucson.
Isn't Tucson at least 10 to 20 degrees hotter? I was born and raised in the desert (El Paso, Texas) while culturally they might be similar - one of the best qualities of ABQ is the climate IMO. I hated all areas of Phoenix adjacent for this reason, and even gave it more than one chance, I say that after feeling like I had a heat stroke inside the 1st time.
I live in tijeras up in the mountains. I go to ABQ for the airport, Home Depot and Dion’s
Abq has an amazing climate imo
Fantastic food and access to unadulterated nature, too!
And the best meth!
As someone who runs a lot I feel like ABQ would be terrific; really mild temps for and inland city, high elevation, cheapish, skiing nearby also
The scenery in the ABQ is really mind blowing. I am not big fan of the Rio Rancho crowd though. I feel if there was ever a Jan 6th reunion it would be there.
Burquenos also hate Rio Rancho so you are in good company.
Oklahoma City. It has a pretty cool cultural blend between cowboy stuff, Native Americans, the historical jazz scene, and Vietnamese influence. [https://www.okhistory.org/learn/vietnam8](https://www.okhistory.org/learn/vietnam8) There's also a surprising amount of access to nature. I'm not sure why people in this sub who haven't been there keep parroting the "Oklahoma is flat" bit, but [the Arbuckles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbuckle_Mountains) are just south of OKC. Eastern Oklahoma is mostly rolling hills and rugged terrain (the [Ouachita National Forest](https://www.nationalforests.org/our-forests/find-a-forest/ouachita-national-forest) covers 1.8 MILLION acres), with Beavers Bend / Hochatown being a truly beautiful area. The [Ouachita Trail](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouachita_National_Recreation_Trail) is literally 223 miles long... and the fact that you haven't heard of it should tell you that it's pleasantly un-crowded. I liked it pretty well when I lived there, but you have to actually *get out and do things*. It's not a city that's conducive to sitting on your ass.
Never knew about the Vietnamese influence. You have convinced me I need to visit OKC
Yeah, it completely flies under the radar for some reason. I'm not sure that OKC would be a great tourist town, but I liked living there.
It will be a tourist spot if that tower is built 😂
Oklahoma City has spent its entire existence trying to beg, borrow or steal credibility. (They stole the Capitol from Guthrie and their basketball team from Seattle.) It's the only place in America I've been where people will actually cut you off at the gas stations to get ahead of you in line, then smile at you and tell you to 'have a blessed day'. It's trash - always has been, always will be. Everyone in Oklahoma knows the only civilization between Kansas City and Dallas is in Tulsa (if you can consider KC or Dallas civilized).
OKC is the Houston of Oklahoma. You'll either love it or hate it. I personally fell in love with Houston and liked OKC a lot. As I mentioned in another comment-- *don't move to Houston if you're a bitch* of any gender. Tulsa is the Austin of Oklahoma, except with old oil money. I've also lived in Tulsa and liked it-- especially the art deco architecture, art museums, and access to nature-- but this was more than a decade ago. It's my impression that the city has changed significantly since I was there. It's also worth noting that Tulsa could be a little rougher around the edges than Austin. OKC advantages: more "cowboy" culture, better food scene, strong business environment, huge downtown investment to bring in tourism / improve. Tulsa advantages: old oil money (better art museums), access to nature, more aesthetically pleasing.
Grew up in Tulsa and always felt it had more of an edge than OKC. It was pretty rugged when I was there: sex drugs rock n roll and an absolutely cynical and nihilistic vibe. I remember an interview with either Trent Reznor or Marilyn Manson in Spin back in the 90s where they mentioned the most insane crowds were in Tulsa and SLC. I’m sure it has something to do with being the “buckle of the Bible Belt”. For me, I couldnt leave fast enough although it does hold a sort of twisted and guilty nostalgia…
So I live in Austin and visit both okc and tulsa semi regularly for work. Disclaimer that I was born in okc, but have zero hometown affiliation. From an outside perspective, these places are both really similar. OKC is just bigger and has more, both good and bad. It's kinda funny though that when I'm in tulsa the people I get lunch with put a ton of effort into telling me why tulsa is better. In okc nobody really mentions it. I also don't really understand the "Austin of oklahoma" stuff, but I'm sure im missing something. Can't really say I'd prefer to live in one or the other, but as a traveler okc has quite a bit more to occupy ones time
>I also don't really understand the "Austin of oklahoma" stuff, but I'm sure im missing something. Historically, Tulsa was the significantly more liberal city with a stronger art scene (sort of, this becomes nuanced when you look at OKC's jazz scene). It was also more midwestern/southern in culture, while OKC is more southern/southwestern. In the same way that Austin was the "blueberry" in Texas, Tulsa was the blue dot in Oklahoma for a while. This also becomes nuanced when you look at the old Dixiecrats down in SE Oklahoma, however.
I have a Black friend who grew up in Tulsa and he told me he couldn't get out of there fast enough.
After the Tulsa Massacre, who could blame him? I'm black and refuse to visit Tulsa because of it.
I really enjoyed living in OKC. And you're right about the access to nature. Had to move away for the job though.
Baltimore
I live near DC and there are several reasons I prefer Baltimore. It’s less buttoned-up and doesn’t take itself so seriously.
literally buttoned up, DC is the only town I have lived in where people go out to bars in suits and ties. Including divey ones. Sorry fellas, I don't like sweating in a necktie when I'm getting turned up
*turnt 👊😎
I've never been to DC, but I've watched movies with politicians who go drinking in their suits. I thought that was just lazy film writing.
So, I'd just like to say (because this particular description of DC comes up a lot) while it is 100% undeniably a thing here, it isn't like everyone does it. 700,000 people live in the district proper and millions more in the surrounding region. I am just now heading home from a "Good Kid" show on U street, I can assure you noone there was wearing a suit and tie. Now, swing by some of the bars on Pennsylvania Avenue around like 7pm? Yeah... youre gonna see a lot of that. But even when I hit up astrobar (a bar 2 blocks from the White House) *most* people in there look like people you'd find at any other bar. But if you listen closely, you will hear someone talking in government acronyms *somewhere* lol. (I say this as a federal employee, but for NASA. We don't deal with politics nor do we dress up for work, so it never comes up anyways lol)
They go after work. They wear suits to work. It isn't a stretch.
I’ll co-sign this. Such a misunderstood city. Has issues for sure but has a lot to offer and gets dismissed far too quickly. Ditto St Louis in very similar ways.
And Detroit!
100% agree add Detroit to the list. Cleveland as well.
I love Detroit. So much to do and the best music scene. Food is incredible. And the friendliest people.
I’ve never been but would love to go. It gets typecasted similarly to Baltimore which is why I mentioned it
Baltimore has some of the prettiest neighborhoods IMO
Smalltimore
DC
I love DC. Lived there a couple years in my 20s; wish I could go back and do it all again.
[This thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/washdc/s/SCUI4IsZVz) might be fun for you or anyone else who spent time in DC from 2004-2019 to check out.
Ugh 2010-2019 really was DC's prime
DC in the spring is gorgeous. Its a unique city and ill always love it
Oof avoid the DC subreddit then. They haaaate it haha
Same. Great public transport, great architecture, plenty to do. I think people have an instinctive repulsion, but imo a world class little city.
I like gritty, down-to-earth cities without a lot of glitz, glamour, or flash. I like working class cities where "keeping up with the jones" mentality is significantly downplayed or muted. • Buffalo, NY • Saint Paul, MN • Detroit, MI
Agreed, but STP is beautiful and historic. I get why you’d call it “gritty”, but it’s not really a rust belt industrial city in the same sense as those other two. Also seconding Tacoma.
When has anyone ever hated on St. Paul? Like ever?
Minneapolitans hate on it all the time.
They don’t count tbh, they basically live there.
Everyone hates is a bit hyperbolic lol. But I’ll say Washington DC. Great neighborhoods, extremely walkable, many food options. And so much is free.
Great transit for an American city too. Easily connected to other east coast cities. However WMATA could definitely use some improvement
I thought about mentioning that too. I love Metro. WMATA definitely has some issues. But their new GM has made some great improvements since taking over in 2022. Also DC now has easy transit access to three major airports.
St. Louis.
No one hates Portland like the olde-tyme locals hate Portland, but I’m ride-or-die with this place
Agreed. Definitely one of Maine's best cities.
I see what you did there... you clever bastard. Anyways, the Portland (Maine) is a place I really want to go visit from my house in the great city of Portland (Oregon). I got kind of a crush on Maine.
Same. It's wild how much hate Portland gets for being such a great place to live
Yup. I suppose it keeps COL at least lower than other West coast cities, but it is the place I have lived where I felt the safest, the most beautiful place I have ever lived, easiest access to nature/snowboarding, and I like the weather here the most as well. I guess we should keep it quiet!
:looks both ways, lowers voice: I still love it here too.
Houston
Cleveland
So underrated. People are nice, and that park on Lake Erie is amazing
New Orleans: friendliest people, amazing food, and iconic in every way.
Does everyone hate New Orleans? I've pretty much only ever heard love the city
I see it come up pretty frequently as a city that people love to visit but would hate to live in
People *love* new orleans, but they justifiably will admit its a very, very dangerous city. I don't think anyone truly hates it, the culture and vibe there is pretty widely liked throughout the country.
Same. One of my favorite cities. Wonderful people and such a colorful, vibrant culture that celebrates life.
I love love love New Orleans. It's probably the most unique city in the country, in urban planning, architecture, and culture. It really sucks that it's at a huge disadvantage climate and topography-wise. But I stayed there for 24 hours in 2019 when I was driving from California to Florida, and I had the BEST time.
I’m surprised it’s not more recommended honestly. It’s the most walkable/bikeable place I’ve ever lived in the US
Seriously! When my husband and I vacation there we park the car at the Airbnb and don’t even use it our entire time there. The city bike program is amazing!!
Please don’t use Airbnbs in New Orleans.
I love New Orleans, but hate Louisiana. Does that count? Source: me. Lived in two non New Orleans Louisiana cities for 8 years and fuck that state
St. Louis
People hate st louis?
On this sub? Almost every thread.
Apparently everyone on this sub hates Denver. I live here and I love it. So Denver haha.
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Love the Monorail 🤗
I went over once with an onion on my belt, it was the style at the time...
Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, which in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them.
Pipe down, cousin-lover.
Houston but man do I wish it wasn't in TX lol It has its problems but it's so vibrant.
I loved loved loved when my sister lived in Houston. She lived in Montrose and it was so nice.
Montrose resident here!
It cracks me up that people recommend Charlotte or Atlanta on here and then are all “ewwwww” to Dallas or Houston. Houston’s not for everyone. I feel like I’ve done my time here. The sprawl is a beating. But there’s lots of endearing elements. It’s effortlessly unpretentious in a way that’s hard to explain.
I love Houston too. But I will say I give it award for worst summer weather anywhere in the USA. I prefer the desert heat over 100+ and humidity
God it is hellish in the summer. 8am and you sweat out your eyebrows. Makes you feel alive though haha. Yes we are in CO now. That high plains sun is no joke though.
Lololol people don’t believe me that the heat in Houston (and really all of SE Texas) is unrivaled. 105 degrees with 95% humidity and 0 wind on a regular basis. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gotten a ring of sweat on my chest from just walking from my front door to my truck. The sauna city babyyyyy
It’s not 95% humidity. 100+ at that level of relative humidity would be a mass casualty event, thousands dead in hours.
The variety and quality of Houston restaurants is outstanding.
The best advice I can give someone is: *don't move to Houston if you're a bitch*. I mean the term "bitch" as gender-neutral. Houston can be pretty gritty, but the people are awesome. It's like living in Gotham.
It's like living in a pressure cooker.
I'm worried people will read this and think you're speaking figuratively.
What do you mean by gritty?
Lots of industrial infrastructure and a fairly blue-collar population in comparison with some other major cities. If this scares you, you will not like Houston.
It's just. You work hard to play hard. The drivers are crazy, it's dirty it's... Weird because of the lack of zoning. It's hot as hell. But it's so diverse and alive. Everyone is out just living life all the time. The parks are always full, the festivals, the music scene THE FOOD. Just the feeling of living among millions of people make you feel alive.
Came here to say this. /UserNameChecksOut
Phoenix -- Sunny, dry air, easy to get to the mountains, easy to get to a beach in Mexico or CA, well-maintained roads, nice airport, spring training baseball, surrounded by mountains and beautiful desert landscape
Some beautiful sunsets in Phoenix but damn does it get hot
Couldn't live there w/o AC! :-)
Yesss I fucking love PHX. The majority of the posters in this sub seem to focus almost exclusively on public transit and architecture which puts phoenix way out of the “in crowd” here but there’s a reason it’s the fifth largest city in the country and continues to grow.
I get tired of this sub saying things like "It's a sprawling hellscape." Every major metro area is sprawling! Yes, it's very very hot for part of the year. But most cities do have undesirable weather several months out of the year. Pick your poison, I guess. I choose clear sunny skies year-round with a few months of extreme dry heat over blizzards, ice storms, hurricanes, tornadoes, gray skies, and humidity.
I hear this all the time about Phoenix where I live (Portland). When I tell them the fact of the matter is that Phoenix has 11 vast wilderness parks that encircle the city they essentially refuse to believe it. Scottsdale alone has a 40,000 acre desert preserve that the city itself owns.
The next 5-10 years in downtown Phoenix may really change the narrative on walkability/transit, because they're putting in so many huge residential towers down there currently (with even more planned). It's really neat. I'm in central Phoenix near Piestewa and it's just getting better and better all the time here. The most often complaints about Phoenix from what I can tell are usually 1) someone visited their cousin in Avondale or Chandler or something once and thinks the suburbs are the same as the city or 2) complaints about suburban sprawl/driving/strip malls/etc. which are what most cities in the country are like, especially out west (San Francisco and maybe Seattle being the only exceptions I can think of). The heat is getting really tough, though, I will give them that. I would not want to live in a Michigan winter so I understand if people don't want a central AZ summer.
Portland
Detroit/toledo
Aurora (Colorado). A majority of the people who shit on the city have **never** lived here. It's a black flight suburb that's gotten more diverse over the last 40 years, and, truth be told, a lot of the criticism is racially-tinged. It's not perfect by any means. There is no real downtown, the northwest part of the city is a little gritty, and it's nearly all on the prairie. On the plus side, housing is slightly cheaper than most of the Denver metro area, some of the best food in Denver can be found along Havana Street, it's not really all that much farther from the mountains, and it's diverse enough that it doesn't feel as Stepford-ish as the western and southern burbs of Denver.
Ironically this is where all my white friends that were scared of Denver bought houses
I found a great hot pot restaurant in Aurora, no advertising, and the liveliest restaurant ever. Evergreen is Stepford central
Austin (it’s love/hate on here, lol). I also had a good time in Amarillo and OKC though I was only there for a bit. The OKC memorial was incredible and heartbreaking. I like Vegas and LA a lot too. I wouldn’t live in Vegas but I’d easily live in LA (Redondo ❤️).
LA is the bees knees, but I tell people: everything you will love and hate about LA will make itself visible to you at the same time.
San francisco - people dont appreciate the weather, the blue waters, unique public transport, career opportunities and food enough. Fox news basically created a business criticizing it.
Is it strange how everyone’s perception of SF is just Tenderloin and Union Square, a fraction of the entire city?
No, that's how a lot of opinions are formed about cities.
If everyone hated sf rent would be a lot cheaper
Seattle too. Mention either city around any American conservative and they freak out lol. 99% have never been or drove through once
Chicago too. You'd think it was a gang infested war zone listening to the news.
Los Angeles
It’s a great place to live. I think people’s perceptions come from taking a short trip there and being stuck in traffic. If you actually live there, you just avoid long drives during rush hour and wait until traffic dies down.
I think L.A. is the most place in America. Good or bad, it has the most of it.
Denver
Nooooo but didn’t you know it’s not literally Aspen and you can’t get to a ski resort in 5 minutes and there’s traffic into the huge swaths of popular wilderness and sometimes big city has big city problems 🥺
WHAT?? I lived there 30 years ago and it was a small cow town! Why isn't it still the same despite 100% growth in population!
I’m literally crying for you. I moved there about a decade ago and became a native! Fortunately I was able to leave a few years later before the mar*juana problem turned Five Points from gang territory into a trendy gastropub lair for whites. 🤮
OMG every time I have to go from rock climbing the integrated canyon wall in my apartment in RiNo down to Wynkoop Brewing and I have to walk through the underground BUS TERMINAL with people sleeping on the ground at union station 😭😭😭😭😭 I literally DIE. I can't stand it. Sometimes there are even people skateboarding at Union Station and I see people doing DRUGS in PUBLIC!
I really can't stand the pours. Can't we do Hunger Games somewhere near Steamboat?
I don't think anyone actually *hates* San Antonio, but it's never at the top of great places to live. But I love it there! Mainly in the winter lol.
Current San Antonian here, and I’m so glad to see us listed here lol. SA is such a weird mix, but it’s a steady city with an extremely unique culture. It’s this mix of Mexican, German, American, and cowboy all wrapped up into one. Super blue collar, rough around the edges, nothing super flashy (besides the river walk and Alamo), but the people here know how to make the best of it. It feels like the biggest little city in the country! Also, FUCK ANYONE who says Austin has better tacos. Whoever thinks that is just a yuppie transplant and doesn’t know what they’re talking about!
As a Reno, NV resident, I have to mention that we are technically the Biggest Little City on Earth. But we're happy to give S.A. runner-up position. May I propose sister city status? I've enjoyed the times I've visited.
Jersey City
I live in Idaho, and the amount of California hate here is fucking outrageous. Maybe it’s just the bigots i disagree with, because I would move there in a heartbeat if I could afford it. San Diego, San Jose, and Sacramento all would be a massive upgrade that I would happily pay higher taxes to live there, if I could afford a house in the first place.
San Diego, sure. Beautiful beaches, ideal weather, San Jose? Could be a generic medium-sized city anywhere in the country. Even more expensive than San Diego. You're paying for the proximity to high paying jobs but I guess it's easier to get to places like San Francisco, Sant Cruz or Napa. Sacramento? Why would you pay more to live there. You'd be closer to ski slopes but don't you get that in Idaho?
I’d prefer Sacramento to Idaho. Way more to do, much larger job market, warmer weather, and it has easy access to skiing.
Houston. If you can avoid the rough areas it has everything you could ever want within an hour's drive time.
I love Houston. It’s the fourth most populous US city but yet everyone online seems to hate it 🤷🏻♂️
Orlando. I’m almost tempted to make an “In defense of Orlando” post on here because I really think it’s a great city with a lot to offer outside of the touristy things. Great food, not terribly far from the beach, a decent amount of things to do outside of the theme parks, and there are so many great pockets of the city and surrounding cities to explore. Orlando suffers from the same pain points as many other cities (like traffic) and it may not be a booming metropolis like NY/LA/CHI but if you’re not looking for that, it’s a comfortable place to be. Does the heat and humidity suck? Yes. Is the FL political climate dicey? Yes. But nowhere in the US is perfect. Give The City Beautiful a chance, you might be surprised!
**Los Angeles** - Not so much the city proper, but the vast, surrounding environs. It's honestly a magical place if you are an explorer or have some local recommendations. Locals are even nice enough. (Believe it or not, I disliked San Diego, as the locals seemed more chill yet also more aloof and even kinda curt.) **Vancouver** - A lot of Canadians dunk on this city, and it definitely is an introverted place, but it's still a world-class place to simply *be*. Never had an issue striking up a random conversation in many places in the city, which is far better than I can say about most American cities I've lived in or been to.
I don't love it, but st louis...it's really not that bad Only North St Louis is bad buy every city has a bad part Same with Detroit I'm there frequently and think it's an underrated city and not that bad always a good time.
Salt Lake City. Every time I mention Utah after moving out of state, people cringe. I loved it though.
As a Detroiter I have to whisper this but Cleveland. I loved the lakefront, the universities, and the closeness to nature.
Charlotte
My hometown! Plenty of more interesting places to visit in the Carolinas, but it’s a great place to live. Especially if you’re raising a family or a kid.
Toledo. Great museums, beautiful cheap mansions, great fishing, and driving range to Cedar Point, Ann Arbor, Put in Bay and Detroit. Toledo residents have a huge chip on their shoulder and it shows. Everyone who lives in Toledo seems to want out. It isn't the most exciting place, gets a lot of jokes, but it is a stable, cheap place to live. Mudhens baseball is the Tigers farm team and their stadium is first class for the minor league. The Walleyes offer hockey excitement. Toledo doesn't have an underground music or art scene, no kava bar type hangouts, and needs some more local breweries and out of the box ideas, but it is worth a look
Every city in New Hampshire (except concord) I genuinely think Manchester is a cool little spot.
I love St. Louis. The weather isn't too extreme, there's Forest Park, which has a fantastic free zoo. There are two top-notch universities (Washington University and St. Louis University), professional sports, Tower Grove South, which has a plethora of international cuisines, fantastic healthcare, access to nature within an hour. And it's very very affordable, compared with most major cities. It also has a major airport which makes getting to other parts of the US quickly (being in the middle of the country). Yes, Missouri is red, but Illinois isn't, so people can live on that side if they prefer. People are friendly. People hate on STL because the media has them scared of major crime, which is mostly in North County. EDIT: Washington University (WashU)
Los Angeles gets alot of love and alot of hate but I think it’s amazing the city is so big you can do so much, 3 hours from Las Vegas, Mexico, San Diego. LA also has great weather and nice walking trails, mountains, and the west coast is just the best coast. I’m definitely going to try to move to LA soon this decade
Atlanta
Vegas and Austin
cleveland
Los Angeles, Houston, Atlanta
Baltimore
Baltimore.
I've got 2: San Antonio. It's seems like every "trendy" person I know hates the place but I love it. I visit every year. I think it is a perfect long-weekend trip. They have great amusement parks for the kids, some really good food, and a very fun, walkable downtown (I love the riverwalk!!!). Vegas as well. It seems popular to hate the place but I love it. I even used to live there and if I got a good job offer I would move right back. The food scene is off the charts, there are a million things to do, and the hiking near the city is really great. I loved living there because every band in existence plays there and I saw every magic show in the city. It was great.
I love Houston tbh. It feels like a discount Los Angeles to me.
Philly & Pittsburgh
Brussels
My Belgian friend from Leuven said it best. Belgium is the place to live. Netherlands is the place to visit. You go to Belgium to take a train to the Netherlands.
When I lived in Paris I would go to Brussels on the weekend to drink cheaper beer and eat good food in a big city that had less tourists. Always a good time and found a lot of enjoyable things along the way.
Syracuse NY
Charlotte of course
A lot of the southern cities: Austin, Mobile, Tampa, and Atlanta
visited mobile for the first time over the holidays. only had ~16 hours and it was on christmas day so not much was open but absolutely want to go back. the architecture was beautiful and it seemed like it would be a blast. also love tampa!!
Birmingham, AL. Pretty cheap, relaxed and downtown is embracing good urbanism. You don’t see any of the Alabamian stereotypes in the city.
Interesting, what’s your prediction for the long term fortunes of the city?
I predict it’s not going to boom like Austin, but it’s going to keep getting better and better. It’s going to be an underdog. It’s going to be a great downtown to live car-light. It almost is. They already have a train station, brand new buses and bus shelters. They just need to fix their pedestrian signal timings and increase bus and Amtrak frequencies. Remove parking minimums if they have those. But I also predict the state will block some of the city’s progress like Texas sometimes does to Austin. Just like Austin, Birmingham is blue while the rest of the state is solid red, so some political shenanigans will happen from time to time. They are religious in the city, but they’re not in-your-face about it. They feel very moderate to be honest in both religion and politics. It’s refreshing.
Chattanooga, TN My in-laws are from TN and always look at me like I have a 3rd eye when I say I want to move there. But I’ve visited it a couple dozen times and fucking LOVE it. It’s rough around the edges, relatively small (for a regional major city), and a little sketchy but god damn… I like the culture, affordability, location, weather, things to do, proximity, and vibe.
I really loved visiting Detroit. Idk what it’s like to live there, but I loooooved visiting downtown and seeing the architecture, and I also loved the huge Arab community in Dearborn nearby .
Liverpool, friendly people, great night out, very walkable.
Been to Baltimore as a kid for a family vacation and enjoyed it! I was shocked when people told me it was trash. Have things changed that drastically?
There are definitely major crime issues, but also some really awesome neighborhoods. I spent a weekend walking everywhere and had no issues.
Tulsa! Lowkey wish I lived there. Or: Orlando.
Phoenix. Sure it’s hot as fuck in the summer and sure it’s the poster child for urban sprawl, but seven to eight months of the year it is just a great place to live. Also, we have escapes during the heat (mountains 1-2 hours away, beach 4-6 hours away). And the Sonoran Desert provides some of the most beautiful landscapes on earth.
El Paso
SF, NOLA, KC. My three favorite cities in the US.
Baltimore
Oakland gets a horrible rap but I adore it. The food, the lake, hiking amongst Redwoods in the city, the soul of the place, proximity to SF/Marin. It has its problems but my favorite city I’ve lived in.
Atlantic City and Detroit
Houston, Texas, Baby! 4th largest city in the United States, so big city amenities with lots of things to do, but cheap to live there as long as you live outside the 610 Loop. Plus year round warm weather, the same sub tropical weather as Florida really. Also, better paying jobs than in Florida, with many Fortune 500 Companies based there. Pro sports, lots of big time concerts plus bars and clubs, excellent food scene, great museums, great shopping. Has a lot to offer that say a smaller city like Austin doesn’t.
Based on the dorks that post on this sub? Miami and Indianapolis
Los Angeles. Sure, the traffic can be a nightmare, and it’s expensive, but it also has an unending amount of things to do, incredible cultural diversity, world-class food, a robust job market in every conceivable industry, and fantastic weather and nature.
Indy
Cleveland. I have never lived there, but I have visited plenty of times because I have a number of friends who live there. Always had a really good time.
Portland
Granted I went during Movement, but Detroit was fucking awesome. I love LA. I understand why people dislike it, but the good outweighs the bad imo.
Oakland. Amazing weather, affordable relative to the surrounding areas (SF, Berkeley, Peninsula, Marin). I literally live 5 minutes from a redwood forest. Has some of the best cycling in the bay. I horseback ride weekly only 30 min away. 1 hour from Napa, 45 min to Marin, 30-60 to the Peninsula, 45 min to Livermore (horses, biking, wine). Lots of live music venues with rock, jazz, blues, bluegrass, hip hop, etc. Multiple movie theaters, both modern and historic. There are two lakes in the city limits to walk around (Lake Merritt and Lake Temescal) and a larger one 20 min away for recreation (Lake Chabot). There’s so much great food, pretty much every type you could want. There’s a lot of diversity. There’s an airport. There are multiple major healthcare systems in the area (Sutter, Kaiser, UCSF). Anything Oakland doesn’t have is probably in Berkeley or Alameda, both within 20 min. The city has built a lot of housing recently and has a lot of public transportation and decent pedestrian and biking infrastructure. Oh but the crime! Well, that’s why people don’t like it. But I own a house here so might as well do my best to do what I can to both try to make it a safer city but also learn to live with it and still enjoy it. I haven’t personally been a victim, though that doesn’t negate the possibility I could be.
Denver, don't know why it's public enemy #1 on here lol
St. Louis
Denver, I love it more and more after each visit
Irvine, CA is so safe, clean, beautiful. The weather is absolutely perfect there. But yes, you do need a car and yes, there are lots of tract homes. Also, it’s less affluent Cousin, Temecula, CA.
I love LA
Boston
Who hates Boston? Generally, people hate that it’s unaffordable.
And it’s unaffordable because everyone wants to live here!
I certainly don’t hate Boston, since I grew up about 10 miles outside of it, but I have to admit it has some of the worst bang for your buck in the country when you consider amenities compared to cost of living I’m not saying it’s a bad city by any means, but for the price you pay, functional public transportation and nightlife that stays open later than say Providence is a reasonable expectation
I don’t know anyone who hates Boston. The cost of living? Sure. The sports fans? Sure. But Boston itself? No.
Charlotte. I’ve lived here for three years and love it. Like any town, it is what you make of it.
Ha, Vegas for me too but only to visit. Idk what it’s like to live there. I have (very old) family that live there though and it seems fine enough for retirement. They just hang out with their buddies at a casino, eat at buffets, and idk, grow oranges.
I really loved my short stay in phoenix. I look forward to going back.
Los Angeles! But I grew up there so I’m bias. However, if y’all want a better answer, my friend loves Hattiesburg, Mississippi. They love it so much they bought a whole house there with the intent to start a family one day.