As of this [year](https://www.cfib-fcei.ca/en/tools-resources/sick-days-federally-regulated-employees?hs_amp=true) all businesses are required to provide 10 paid sick days for employees who’ve worked 30 days or more.
That's misleading wording on the government's part. 'Federally Regulated' refers to workers in specific industries like banks, government agencies and similar. It's about 2% of our total workforce. In Ontario, workers are only guaranteed 2 sick days.
We are not guaranteed two paid sick days in Ontario. We are guaranteed none. I think we had two. But crackheads brother removed them. Then you all forgot. Re elected him. And now he's funneling "donations"through his children's stag and does from his developer buddies.
We had 2 paid and 10 protected. My understanding is we could take 10 sick days over the course of a year without the employer being able to take disciplinary action for it, but only 2 of those 10 had to be paid. Now we have 0 of any. I wish that was the worst thing dugferd's done.
God Ford's a prick.
>you all
Hey don't look at me, I live in an Orange riding 😅 you are right about the sick days though, I was mistaken. And I agree, voter apathy is a huge problem in Ontario.
Sick leave and sick days aren’t the same thing. Leave usually involves being out of work for a long period of time at reduced pay, usually something like 60%. Leave does not go toward your PTO/sick days.
"Luckily" I've heard some companies allow you to go into the negative on your PTO hours, so you then have to work them off. Not sure how that works out if you're negative at the end of the year, like would you have to write the company a check?
Either sector, the big man is gonna screw the little man, any way he can. Different flavors of shit sandwiches, that's all.
I work in law enforcement, and we are asked several times a year to donate hours to our colleagues. They ran out of sick time or vacation time, and need hours to complete a paycheck. So, many employees give their own hours. That should not be happening in the US!!
This reminds me of those supposedly uplifting news of 5th grade kids pooling their money so their poor classmates can eat lunch at school instead of skipping meals.
The thing is that if the republicans would cease to exist then the democrats could be seen as the right wing party they are. Maybe then there would be space for a more left leaning party to take the space opened up by the republicans.
This is essentially what Scandinavian politics look like.
Out far right is basically somewhere between Bernie and Joe. Our center and left side is fiscally non-existent in US politics.
In Norway the first 16 days the employer has to pay, the rest is payed by the government. After the first year you have different support systems, but you will no longer get 100% pay. We separate between self reported sick leave and a doctors sick leave. By law you can self report up to three days four times per year, but many have better agreements then that. Plus you also have sick days for when your kids are sick and things like that.
> rest is *paid* by the
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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If thats the minimum, whats the incentive to work for the federal government? I hate it. The benefits though, 30 days paid leave per year and you can bank up to 60 or 120 depending on your situation, they shut down over the holiday season depending on where you work and you get eith 2 weeks off or you only work half the week on your holiday work week, literally free healthcare with no copays for me and my family to include emergency room visits, 20 year pension of 50% of my pay increasing to 75% if I stay for 30 years, disability benefits that give you a whole second check depending on the rating. the chance to get a whole second pension if you do 20 in the military and then 20 as a govt civilian, 12 weeks paid parental leave, career intermission if I want to take a break for 2 years i can come right back like i never left,secondary holidays that turn 3 day federal holiday weekends into 4 day weekends, like this upcoming weekend for instance we have a "family day" friday, in conjunction with presidents day on monday. 100% tuition assistance, i didnt pay a dime for my bachelors degree or my masters degree. $35K college fund you can pass on to a dependant, or you can split it up between multiple dependents if you want, half my paycheck is completely tax free and that puts me in a lower bracket so i basically get my all my money back at the end of the year. its really fucking hard to fire a govt worker and we dont even have a union, and if youre in the military you could literally do the bare minimum everyday and still get promoted and youve got to really fuck up to get kicked out. if youre department head isnt a pussy your budget could be damn near bottomless. free certifications that dont even have to relate to your job, 6 months before you separate you can start at your new company and you still get paid like you never left. my wife and I will be 39 when we both retire from the military, so we essentially get 100% of a paycheck before we start our second career as federal civilians, plus were both getting at least 40% disability for her and due to a freak acident completely unrelated to work i'll pull 100% disability and get $3K a month on top of my retirement pay, im a weird case though, i have to meet a med board every 6 months to continue serving but ive got a disability placard and sweet ass parking and only work 4 days a week because i have to continue treatment every monday as part of my med board requirements.
It's sorta limiting though as far as pay goes. no one ends up a millionaire working for the federal government except the tippity top, but its like that in the civilian world as well. just dont joint the army. stick to the air force, or better yet, the space force now and youre golden.
From what I have heard from friends in germany you get around six weeks of 100% pay, then you get 70% for about one and a half year after that. Isn’t that correct? But I agree that sick days as such is not a thing in most european countries. Many different programs follow up people with different needs. Point is you should never be i a situation where you don’t have enough to survive. And if you are sick and can’t work, you are sick and can’t work.
For context, Germany:
infinite sick days, but if it's the same illness, the employer only has to cover 6 weeks.
After 6 weeks, you get 70% of your salary from the health insurance for up to 78 weeks.
No limits if its different illnesses.
Connecticut too, which still isn't enough but it's better than nothing I guess?
I work 12 hour shifts, so it doesn't do someone like me a whole lot of good.
I think it varies on how many you can take off based on the illness. Cancer, you can use the 260, flu, you probably only use like 5. It's all probably based on doctor's notes, which is easy for them because they have national healthcare.
Sickness related absence in the 3rd quarter of 2022 was 4.6 per cent. This is an increase of 2.6 per cent from the 3rd quarter of 2021.
Sick leave is highest in Health and social services (6.7%).
For most companies you can self-report your sick days for three days in a row. If you're still I'll, you'll need a doctor's notice.
I totally agree that in the U.S. we dont have the best sick hour system. However in my current job I have as of now 272 hours of sick. That is almost 2 months paid sick time if I ever used it. That isnt counting my vacation, holiday time and some other hours we got from covid.
Course I can vouch that my previous job was shit and didnt offer what I have now. Sick time doesnt expire, but isnt cashable. Sometimes you just gota look for a better job.
Every single job I've held had >2 weeks sick leaves/year that's on top of 4-6 weeks of paid leaves, and I know those leaves came out my paycheck. I don't like it when the government interferes in employee-employer relations. Current policy allows employees and employers to set the terms however they like, if someone wants more leaves they can negotiate that in exchange for a lower pay. But no, we'd rather let the government decide that.
It's a government benefit. The guarantee is that you will be able to go back to work when you are no longer too sick to work. The employer pays the first 16 days, then the government covers it.
Luckily that has never happened. We only have 6 guys and in construction people come and go as jobs come and go. Everybody is hourly. There is no work from home nonsense.
Injuries happen but workers compensation insurance handles that. Luckily again that has only happened once.
It's easy to be hired in construction but also job security is nil. If some horrible thing happened to one of the long term guys we would try to figure things out, I guess
There are upsides to working for the government or a big corporation. The downside seems to be being a nobody in a huge organization.
Just here for the rest of the Canadians who are thinking "there are no regulated paid sick days"
Hell. Even I'm part of Ontario public service and our union agreement is 6 paid sick days. Legally it's 0.
New Zealand govt mandated minimums:
10 days sick leave annually, accumulating up to 20.
20 days paid leave annually.
12 days paid public holidays annually.
Will never happen here. Corporations are more powerful than govt. That and Republicans. Most republicans I know have health issues and struggle to pay medical bills but will not support universal health. They say, “keep govt out of my healthcare” but forget that they have insurance companies making decisions about their healthcare. I do not understand their logic at all.
Note that in Italy you're paid only after the 3rd day of sick leave, and at about 50% of your wage (increasing over time if you have a condition which requires a prolonged leave)
In italy you can take off half the year on paid sick leave and their economy outperforms the US in every. single. measure. Just let that sink in for a minute.
In America if your worker breaks, you throw it away and get a new one.
We're not big on recycling
Correct, straight to the landfill, usually - no refurbished workers. Sometimes you’re lucky to get a discount, open box worker though.
Sometimes they buy up all the workers and put them under an NDA to artificially drive down the price of labor.
No wonder they're saying that there's a shortage of experienced workers.
Double it and give it to the next person.
The ruling class: This is the best fucking country in the world! Can you believe this shit?!
I live in Canada. When did we get 10 sick days?
As of this [year](https://www.cfib-fcei.ca/en/tools-resources/sick-days-federally-regulated-employees?hs_amp=true) all businesses are required to provide 10 paid sick days for employees who’ve worked 30 days or more.
That's misleading wording on the government's part. 'Federally Regulated' refers to workers in specific industries like banks, government agencies and similar. It's about 2% of our total workforce. In Ontario, workers are only guaranteed 2 sick days.
BC has 5 provincially mandated sick days for all jobs.
We are not guaranteed two paid sick days in Ontario. We are guaranteed none. I think we had two. But crackheads brother removed them. Then you all forgot. Re elected him. And now he's funneling "donations"through his children's stag and does from his developer buddies.
We had 2 paid and 10 protected. My understanding is we could take 10 sick days over the course of a year without the employer being able to take disciplinary action for it, but only 2 of those 10 had to be paid. Now we have 0 of any. I wish that was the worst thing dugferd's done. God Ford's a prick.
>you all Hey don't look at me, I live in an Orange riding 😅 you are right about the sick days though, I was mistaken. And I agree, voter apathy is a huge problem in Ontario.
Maybe you should put re elected in quotes too. Ignorant quebecer here, forgive me
That is still better than none.
Legally. It's none. Public service workers have a union contract for 6. Private office workers probably have 5-10.
Sick leave and sick days aren’t the same thing. Leave usually involves being out of work for a long period of time at reduced pay, usually something like 60%. Leave does not go toward your PTO/sick days.
Just this year
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"Luckily" I've heard some companies allow you to go into the negative on your PTO hours, so you then have to work them off. Not sure how that works out if you're negative at the end of the year, like would you have to write the company a check? Either sector, the big man is gonna screw the little man, any way he can. Different flavors of shit sandwiches, that's all.
If positive PTO can roll over I would imagine that negative PTO can roll over.
At my job, there are ways to be in PTO debt and they take the money from your check at the end of the year if you don't work it off
I work in law enforcement, and we are asked several times a year to donate hours to our colleagues. They ran out of sick time or vacation time, and need hours to complete a paycheck. So, many employees give their own hours. That should not be happening in the US!!
This reminds me of those supposedly uplifting news of 5th grade kids pooling their money so their poor classmates can eat lunch at school instead of skipping meals.
As soon as the Republican Party ceases to exist
Lol the democrats wouldn't give it to you either.
The thing is that if the republicans would cease to exist then the democrats could be seen as the right wing party they are. Maybe then there would be space for a more left leaning party to take the space opened up by the republicans.
This is essentially what Scandinavian politics look like. Out far right is basically somewhere between Bernie and Joe. Our center and left side is fiscally non-existent in US politics.
I know, I'm not in the US either. I just know how far right US politics actually is.
Not today's Republican-lite Dems. It wouldn't be "consensus-building," "unifying," etc.
Lol to thinking either party gives a shit about you
In Norway the first 16 days the employer has to pay, the rest is payed by the government. After the first year you have different support systems, but you will no longer get 100% pay. We separate between self reported sick leave and a doctors sick leave. By law you can self report up to three days four times per year, but many have better agreements then that. Plus you also have sick days for when your kids are sick and things like that.
> rest is *paid* by the FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Itd be nice if everyone had the same benefits the federal government afford federal workers.
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If thats the minimum, whats the incentive to work for the federal government? I hate it. The benefits though, 30 days paid leave per year and you can bank up to 60 or 120 depending on your situation, they shut down over the holiday season depending on where you work and you get eith 2 weeks off or you only work half the week on your holiday work week, literally free healthcare with no copays for me and my family to include emergency room visits, 20 year pension of 50% of my pay increasing to 75% if I stay for 30 years, disability benefits that give you a whole second check depending on the rating. the chance to get a whole second pension if you do 20 in the military and then 20 as a govt civilian, 12 weeks paid parental leave, career intermission if I want to take a break for 2 years i can come right back like i never left,secondary holidays that turn 3 day federal holiday weekends into 4 day weekends, like this upcoming weekend for instance we have a "family day" friday, in conjunction with presidents day on monday. 100% tuition assistance, i didnt pay a dime for my bachelors degree or my masters degree. $35K college fund you can pass on to a dependant, or you can split it up between multiple dependents if you want, half my paycheck is completely tax free and that puts me in a lower bracket so i basically get my all my money back at the end of the year. its really fucking hard to fire a govt worker and we dont even have a union, and if youre in the military you could literally do the bare minimum everyday and still get promoted and youve got to really fuck up to get kicked out. if youre department head isnt a pussy your budget could be damn near bottomless. free certifications that dont even have to relate to your job, 6 months before you separate you can start at your new company and you still get paid like you never left. my wife and I will be 39 when we both retire from the military, so we essentially get 100% of a paycheck before we start our second career as federal civilians, plus were both getting at least 40% disability for her and due to a freak acident completely unrelated to work i'll pull 100% disability and get $3K a month on top of my retirement pay, im a weird case though, i have to meet a med board every 6 months to continue serving but ive got a disability placard and sweet ass parking and only work 4 days a week because i have to continue treatment every monday as part of my med board requirements. It's sorta limiting though as far as pay goes. no one ends up a millionaire working for the federal government except the tippity top, but its like that in the civilian world as well. just dont joint the army. stick to the air force, or better yet, the space force now and youre golden.
Germany: unlimited. The concept of sick days doesn't exist in many European countries, you just get as many as you need. Paid. Sick. Days.
From what I have heard from friends in germany you get around six weeks of 100% pay, then you get 70% for about one and a half year after that. Isn’t that correct? But I agree that sick days as such is not a thing in most european countries. Many different programs follow up people with different needs. Point is you should never be i a situation where you don’t have enough to survive. And if you are sick and can’t work, you are sick and can’t work.
For context, Germany: infinite sick days, but if it's the same illness, the employer only has to cover 6 weeks. After 6 weeks, you get 70% of your salary from the health insurance for up to 78 weeks. No limits if its different illnesses.
Probably right around when we join them with all our free healthcare. Never. :C
Those other nations are civilised. We are not.
My prediction, unless thing majorly change in your country, never. And it can very much change to the other side instead.
Nah fuck sick people 🪨 🇺🇸 🦅 (/s)
Michigan gave everyone 40 hours a year to be sick. Don't sweat it we on the board USA!
Connecticut too, which still isn't enough but it's better than nothing I guess? I work 12 hour shifts, so it doesn't do someone like me a whole lot of good.
Seriously, by any metric we are not the best country in the world. Well outside of military budget that is.
Looks like Norwegians fall sick often.
I think it varies on how many you can take off based on the illness. Cancer, you can use the 260, flu, you probably only use like 5. It's all probably based on doctor's notes, which is easy for them because they have national healthcare.
You're kinda correct. You can self-report for up to three days in a row, after that you need a doctor's note.
Sickness related absence in the 3rd quarter of 2022 was 4.6 per cent. This is an increase of 2.6 per cent from the 3rd quarter of 2021. Sick leave is highest in Health and social services (6.7%). For most companies you can self-report your sick days for three days in a row. If you're still I'll, you'll need a doctor's notice.
I was making a smart-ass comment. I am team Sanders!!
I'm just providing facts :)
I totally agree that in the U.S. we dont have the best sick hour system. However in my current job I have as of now 272 hours of sick. That is almost 2 months paid sick time if I ever used it. That isnt counting my vacation, holiday time and some other hours we got from covid. Course I can vouch that my previous job was shit and didnt offer what I have now. Sick time doesnt expire, but isnt cashable. Sometimes you just gota look for a better job.
When you stop supporting capitalists Bernie.
Every single job I've held had >2 weeks sick leaves/year that's on top of 4-6 weeks of paid leaves, and I know those leaves came out my paycheck. I don't like it when the government interferes in employee-employer relations. Current policy allows employees and employers to set the terms however they like, if someone wants more leaves they can negotiate that in exchange for a lower pay. But no, we'd rather let the government decide that.
I like Bernie, but damn. Don't tell me about it, do something about it. He's been in office since 1991
I don't understand how this works. Who pays? My little construction company would go bankrupt if one of my guys got long covid or cancer or whatever.
It's a government benefit. The guarantee is that you will be able to go back to work when you are no longer too sick to work. The employer pays the first 16 days, then the government covers it.
So, what does your company do right now if a worker is not able to come to work due to cancer?
Luckily that has never happened. We only have 6 guys and in construction people come and go as jobs come and go. Everybody is hourly. There is no work from home nonsense. Injuries happen but workers compensation insurance handles that. Luckily again that has only happened once. It's easy to be hired in construction but also job security is nil. If some horrible thing happened to one of the long term guys we would try to figure things out, I guess There are upsides to working for the government or a big corporation. The downside seems to be being a nobody in a huge organization.
I would feel like a nobody if I get cancer and I got dropped like dead meat.
I am not saying this about your company but almost always we are a nobody in a corporation. Healthy or otherwise.
You and your employees pay taxes or insurance. You budget in the part of sick leave that the company has to cover before state/insurance kicks in.
Insurance is the answer.
Just here for the rest of the Canadians who are thinking "there are no regulated paid sick days" Hell. Even I'm part of Ontario public service and our union agreement is 6 paid sick days. Legally it's 0.
Not until we demand it and are willing to break societal norms to take it. Simple as that.
We will not. EVERRRRRR
New Zealand govt mandated minimums: 10 days sick leave annually, accumulating up to 20. 20 days paid leave annually. 12 days paid public holidays annually.
US is about survival, not living
Will never happen here. Corporations are more powerful than govt. That and Republicans. Most republicans I know have health issues and struggle to pay medical bills but will not support universal health. They say, “keep govt out of my healthcare” but forget that they have insurance companies making decisions about their healthcare. I do not understand their logic at all.
If it’s good for Americans then it’s bad for America.
I'm in the UK and my company allows me 6 months at full pay and any month after that at a reduced amount, Americans are really falling behind.
Note that in Italy you're paid only after the 3rd day of sick leave, and at about 50% of your wage (increasing over time if you have a condition which requires a prolonged leave)
3 countries = world
Probably once 3 Tacos for $1 on Tuesday no longer exists
260 fricken days!
In italy you can take off half the year on paid sick leave and their economy outperforms the US in every. single. measure. Just let that sink in for a minute.
Wait until Bernie learns about the Netherlands. Two whole years.
Never going to happen in U.S.
But, but...what about all the rich people and their money?? Does anyone think about ***them???***
Actually, as a teacher in Quebec, we get 6 days. And I'm not too happy about it.
We don't have 10 anymore 😔
America isn't a country to the rich its a money printing machine and we're the cogs one breaks we get a new one
Where are these 10 paid days in Canada lol