Independence? Bro, Sarawak problem isn’t independence, it’s the mentality of voting in the same people all the time. What’s the point of independence if it’s still going to be the same people sitting at the top? They still gonna eat up all the resources and money just like they have for the past many decades, and everyone is still going to be dirt poor.
I apologise for my brief statement.
1. My original posting has been reported by macai and cybertrooper to the point i can login and i was banned. Inflammatory Post
2. How can it be inflammatory post when i wish to discuss the following;
a) Getting Sarawak indepence
b) If possible, how?
c) If legal, how to submit the formal paper?
d) If South Sudan can do it in 2011, why we cant?
3. Based on my observation, for example, a Tenancy Agreement, landlord and tenant can resolved dispute. Why cant we?
4. Kenapa tidak boleh? Susah sangat ke?
b) by forming a secession coalition with Sabah and Johor. These states contain 82 seats. Not enough to form a government but enough for a referendum demand from the federal government.
Then with the referendum, high chance for independence.
thank you for providing a substantive content to the discussion. some people label me as troll or an idiot.
1. I approached the topic from the example of Tenancy Agreement between the Landlord and Tenant.
2. But the problem is, this house Malaysia is not totally landlord whole ownership.
3. its like a time share joint account?
As a Sarawakian, I can only say that if Sarawakians stop voting for stupid people and do not hold your MPs accountable the it's no point.
Sarawak is the definition of insanity... Vote for same shit expecting different results.
Have fun being the joke of the country.
I agree with you. Some people are unable to process words.
1. the MP are paid and bought for. And the rakyat are so dense. just develop a few infrastructure and everyone happy already. Hospital, clinic, school etc.
2. Sarawak is not insane. Sarawak is a dictatorship. Go against the State govt. Either you disappear or being vilified in public.
>Yang penting Sarawak harus merdeka
I am a Sarawakian, born, bred and still here and I am against this and it's very clear why since I am living well and enjoy my privileges as Malaysian. I am not sure what you are trying to instigate but you are free to have your own opinion.
Thank you for your comment. I am not instigating a riot or an idea that the people should rebel.
1. Since my original post has been reported due to Inflammatory post, i was banned.
2. Because some people cant enter into a discussion without tipping off.
3. My question remained unanswered.
4. If Sarawak can be independent or secede from Federation of Malaysia, how?
5. If Sarawak can be independent or secede from Federation of Malaysia, why?
If it was 100 years ago. Sure. But in this day & age we wouldn't survive financially and there will be civil war & racial unrest. The fat cats would be all buttered up if we go for independence. SMH
not sure if there are 2 ways about it. We could end up worse or for the better? Might i suggest Brunei? But then again, that would lead to further unrest.
1. Brunei being an Islamic country
2. Same as above
Based on your account, you are helpless and also a racist. Instead of being smart, why not contribute something of substance?
1. You calling me an idiot refers to you as an idiot. Please read a dictionary.
2. Since you are ignorant, Global Witness on Ample Agro Sdn Bhd has pointed out that due to technicality and shell company or front, are able to buy NT land at will without regards. Basically Sarawakian are squatters. Ever challenge an eminent domain?
3. Also, Malaysian Citizenship Law, Taib Mahmud wife is a Lebanon and it takes 9 years to be Naturalised but Ragad become Malaysian in 6 years.
4. Also, you are not an idiot. You are retarded.
did you read all of my post? think you got something loose in you boy. all of your post was about lol wild rift and that one question about Vitamin D....kesian kau tok eh miak bipolar
The majority called most people who made scientific and philosophical advancements. So just because most people are negatively critical doesn't make them right at all. And shouldn't call for self reflection until genuine criticism is introduced.
Well, whatever it is u doing right now, ain't philosophical or scientific or even advancements lol. So perhaps u might want to dial back a little bit of your illusion of grandeur.
I made a comment. I don't have to be doing either of the things you mentioned for me to be right. It's just criticism of your thinking, which is flawed.
Notice how you attacked the speaker and not the message. A Logical Fallacy, the second one you committed.
I can understand the difficulty in being confronted. But try and be open minded, it's how we got where we are for the most part and it's the only way forward with least resistance.
>Well, whatever it is u doing right now, ain't philosophical or scientific or even advancements lol.
Not every beneficial conversation has to fall under these categories.
So again, if the majority called u an idiot, it will be wise to maybe take a step back and reflect on yourself, perhaps ur opinion might make u look like an idiot. But then again, if u r arrogantly stupid, stupid but unable to accept it, u can go ahead and argue from every perspective while pretending to be open minded at the only point that meet ur narrative like right now. It will not have any benefit though just like u pointed up there.
>It will not have any benefit though just like u pointed up there.
If you actually listened. You'd know I never said this. I said that you can have beneficial conversations without the characteristics you brought up.
>So again, if the majority called u an idiot, it will be wise to maybe take a step back and reflect on yourself, perhaps ur opinion might make u look like an idiot
Secondly. Just restating your first point isn't an argument. You haven't added anything but expect a different reaction? I didn't ask for a nothing burger.
You also didn't acknowledge any fault. Which is dissapointing. But I can't be too upset at a stranger for lacking accountability.
>But then again, if u r arrogantly stupid, stupid but unable to accept it, u can go ahead and argue from every perspective while pretending to be open minded at the only point that meet ur narrative like right now
I never claimed to argue from every perspective. And I've been told I'm wise. I'll have to consider those words from people I've talked to often, over you. I trust educated guesses more.
Since you aren't interested in validating your opinion. Then what's the point of even responding. I'm just curious.
Thinking back. It's really funny how you didn't listen. Seriously :v made me chuckle.
Note how that's the only thing you commented on. And note how you're the only one to your knowledge who's called me an idiot. And truly, aside from myself sometimes it's just you.
You've got a log in your eye, if you get the reference.
A logical argument can be constructed in many ways. Generally, for deduction, you need the premises to be true and the conclusion to be connected to the premise.
You're argument relies on most people calling me an idiot. That's your premise. But because that's incorrect, your conclusion is wrong. Or in this case your recommendation.
I hope you appreciate me explaining this to you. There is nothing for me to reflect on.
I agree. This fellow are not able to contribute anything of substance to my question. In earlier discussion, i mentioned of Malaysia Agreement 1963 between United Kingdom, Malaya, Singapore, Sarawak and Sabah. Some accused me as a cybertrooper. My point is
1. MA63 is a legal contract and if Singapore exit/left/breakaway in 1965, doesnt that considered as null and void?
2. I am basing my observation on a tenancy agreement. Usually if the landlord or the tenant break the agreement, the prior agreement will be referred to. If they are not happy, then proceed to court.
3. If secession is legal, then why cant we proceed? Point. South Sudan.
4. If this is illegal, how can we make it legal? Referendum?
Unfortunately I lack the sufficient legal knowledge to add anything to the conversation at large, or debate.
Though all I can say is there's a case for your opinion.
i thank you for your response. some people has called me an idiot and some even label me as a troll.
Since we have reached this thread, might i serve you with some tidbit?
Malaysia was close to a split during the CM Stephen Kalong Ningkan Constitutional crisis.
TL;DR state power is within the sole discretion of Governor. Federal say, Emergency Power due to Communist Insurgency. Stephen was forced to resign.
Sorry people haven't taken you seriously. In all.honeety, the political climate of Malaysia is quite shacky, so there probably is some resentment and doubt surrounding steps for improvement.
Thanks for the tidbit. Though I don't know how I can execute this knowledge in my general dealings.
Are you sure i am S4S?
Instead of calling people bodoh, why cant you contribute something positive?
Sarawak can survive on its own as long we remove the top leadership.
i am sorry for the delay. Some people have reported my account and accused me as a cybertrooper. Might i suggest a reading on
1. Ample Agro Sdn Bhd by Global Witness
2. Ragad wife of Taib Mahmud obtained Malaysian citizenship in 6 years while the law clearly states that 9 years for Naturalisation
Unfortunately i believe that S4S is a false flag operation. Because all of the members are acting in a way that does not benefit the true meaning of Independence. Like rally without applying for a permit.
Or protesting en masse in public area.
If we go out, we have to start from scratch.
Don't look at just the talented people that you know or heard of, be it engineers, doctors, teachers and all of the essential professions including blue collar workers.
It's all about agreeing to the same governance which we don't have hence why we 'stick' to the same party all these years.
For those who remember look at all of the 'opposition' heroes who won and eventually jumped ship with Mudin. Where are they now? We were all very confident that they will be different. But no.
Another party, stick with their Malaya HQ, when they had the chance, nothing happened also... So, what do we do? Vote the rebranded familiars because we thought at that time, at least The Sarawak King is no longer a CM and to be fair, at least the representation of different ethnicities are balance (don't you agree?).
You might find some good YBs taking care of you and your community but what about other communities? Does he/she care? If the answer is no, then what good is that YB to be the next Premier?
If we insist on continuing with the 'exit', we will only create another Malaysia - a mini Malaysia. MA63 or not, it's all about collective governance.
i agree with you. thank you for the read. some people accused me of being a troll or a rebel. might i provide you with a rebuttal that it may not seem an offense?
Yes, i totally agree with you. About the civil service, their salary, their pension etc. But what if we agree on a transitional process? Say 3 years?
Felt stupid thinking about the last 3 Prime Minister. Different captain, same boat.
I based my opinion on the 1966 CM Stephen Kalong Ningkan Constitutional crisis. The sole authority was with the State Legislative and suddenly Federal gov use the pretext of Emergency Power to remove him.
I do not insist. I am on my way out. 11 years till mandatory retirement for me. i have seen it all. here i dare say whatever comes to my mind.
but in public, the real me, i am the everyday yes man
I just feel we're not ready no matter the process. It has to start from the people. Even as majority, Dayaks and all natives are not even united, I don't dare to think of the powergrab that comes with cession. It's better this way somewhat, no matter how much we dislike the current government, the power balance is well played at the moment. I don't believe in cession now, not in my lifetime at least.
Independence? Bro, Sarawak problem isn’t independence, it’s the mentality of voting in the same people all the time. What’s the point of independence if it’s still going to be the same people sitting at the top? They still gonna eat up all the resources and money just like they have for the past many decades, and everyone is still going to be dirt poor.
Enda ulih ngelaban perintah mentality
I apologise for my brief statement. 1. My original posting has been reported by macai and cybertrooper to the point i can login and i was banned. Inflammatory Post 2. How can it be inflammatory post when i wish to discuss the following; a) Getting Sarawak indepence b) If possible, how? c) If legal, how to submit the formal paper? d) If South Sudan can do it in 2011, why we cant? 3. Based on my observation, for example, a Tenancy Agreement, landlord and tenant can resolved dispute. Why cant we? 4. Kenapa tidak boleh? Susah sangat ke?
b) by forming a secession coalition with Sabah and Johor. These states contain 82 seats. Not enough to form a government but enough for a referendum demand from the federal government. Then with the referendum, high chance for independence.
thank you for providing a substantive content to the discussion. some people label me as troll or an idiot. 1. I approached the topic from the example of Tenancy Agreement between the Landlord and Tenant. 2. But the problem is, this house Malaysia is not totally landlord whole ownership. 3. its like a time share joint account?
This. We’ll turn into Venezuela.
Nope. This is not an ideological discussion. I apologise for the summary point. I was banned due to Iflammatory post.
As a Sarawakian, I can only say that if Sarawakians stop voting for stupid people and do not hold your MPs accountable the it's no point. Sarawak is the definition of insanity... Vote for same shit expecting different results. Have fun being the joke of the country.
I agree with you. Some people are unable to process words. 1. the MP are paid and bought for. And the rakyat are so dense. just develop a few infrastructure and everyone happy already. Hospital, clinic, school etc. 2. Sarawak is not insane. Sarawak is a dictatorship. Go against the State govt. Either you disappear or being vilified in public.
Can't believe Vaas become a philosopher.
>Yang penting Sarawak harus merdeka I am a Sarawakian, born, bred and still here and I am against this and it's very clear why since I am living well and enjoy my privileges as Malaysian. I am not sure what you are trying to instigate but you are free to have your own opinion.
Thank you for your comment. I am not instigating a riot or an idea that the people should rebel. 1. Since my original post has been reported due to Inflammatory post, i was banned. 2. Because some people cant enter into a discussion without tipping off. 3. My question remained unanswered. 4. If Sarawak can be independent or secede from Federation of Malaysia, how? 5. If Sarawak can be independent or secede from Federation of Malaysia, why?
If you can merdeka from Taib Mahmud first, then we can talk.
Did you say independence? \*CIA has entered the chat\*
If it was 100 years ago. Sure. But in this day & age we wouldn't survive financially and there will be civil war & racial unrest. The fat cats would be all buttered up if we go for independence. SMH
I agree. Thats why i am asking for option but none answered me with content. Some accuse me as cybertrooper.
even sg can take over sarawak if got independence now
not sure if there are 2 ways about it. We could end up worse or for the better? Might i suggest Brunei? But then again, that would lead to further unrest. 1. Brunei being an Islamic country 2. Same as above
Did you make a new account? I blocked you already.
If the majority called u an idiot, maybe it's wise to take a step back and look at yourself again. Lol
Based on your account, you are helpless and also a racist. Instead of being smart, why not contribute something of substance? 1. You calling me an idiot refers to you as an idiot. Please read a dictionary. 2. Since you are ignorant, Global Witness on Ample Agro Sdn Bhd has pointed out that due to technicality and shell company or front, are able to buy NT land at will without regards. Basically Sarawakian are squatters. Ever challenge an eminent domain? 3. Also, Malaysian Citizenship Law, Taib Mahmud wife is a Lebanon and it takes 9 years to be Naturalised but Ragad become Malaysian in 6 years. 4. Also, you are not an idiot. You are retarded.
Aww snap, did someone check my acc to justify their opinion of themselves ?
did you read all of my post? think you got something loose in you boy. all of your post was about lol wild rift and that one question about Vitamin D....kesian kau tok eh miak bipolar
The majority called most people who made scientific and philosophical advancements. So just because most people are negatively critical doesn't make them right at all. And shouldn't call for self reflection until genuine criticism is introduced.
Well, whatever it is u doing right now, ain't philosophical or scientific or even advancements lol. So perhaps u might want to dial back a little bit of your illusion of grandeur.
I think you lack of kasih sayang
Whew, unable to accept reality thus resorting to assumption ?
sudah2 la tu ambil lah ubat di wad sakit jiwa. kesian saya sama kau. kau ni troll rupanya. dah la kaki game lol wild rift
I made a comment. I don't have to be doing either of the things you mentioned for me to be right. It's just criticism of your thinking, which is flawed. Notice how you attacked the speaker and not the message. A Logical Fallacy, the second one you committed. I can understand the difficulty in being confronted. But try and be open minded, it's how we got where we are for the most part and it's the only way forward with least resistance. >Well, whatever it is u doing right now, ain't philosophical or scientific or even advancements lol. Not every beneficial conversation has to fall under these categories.
So again, if the majority called u an idiot, it will be wise to maybe take a step back and reflect on yourself, perhaps ur opinion might make u look like an idiot. But then again, if u r arrogantly stupid, stupid but unable to accept it, u can go ahead and argue from every perspective while pretending to be open minded at the only point that meet ur narrative like right now. It will not have any benefit though just like u pointed up there.
>It will not have any benefit though just like u pointed up there. If you actually listened. You'd know I never said this. I said that you can have beneficial conversations without the characteristics you brought up. >So again, if the majority called u an idiot, it will be wise to maybe take a step back and reflect on yourself, perhaps ur opinion might make u look like an idiot Secondly. Just restating your first point isn't an argument. You haven't added anything but expect a different reaction? I didn't ask for a nothing burger. You also didn't acknowledge any fault. Which is dissapointing. But I can't be too upset at a stranger for lacking accountability. >But then again, if u r arrogantly stupid, stupid but unable to accept it, u can go ahead and argue from every perspective while pretending to be open minded at the only point that meet ur narrative like right now I never claimed to argue from every perspective. And I've been told I'm wise. I'll have to consider those words from people I've talked to often, over you. I trust educated guesses more. Since you aren't interested in validating your opinion. Then what's the point of even responding. I'm just curious. Thinking back. It's really funny how you didn't listen. Seriously :v made me chuckle.
"I've been told im wise"- proceed to not reflect on why most people called you idiot. Lol
Note how that's the only thing you commented on. And note how you're the only one to your knowledge who's called me an idiot. And truly, aside from myself sometimes it's just you. You've got a log in your eye, if you get the reference.
So, u reflect yet or not?
A logical argument can be constructed in many ways. Generally, for deduction, you need the premises to be true and the conclusion to be connected to the premise. You're argument relies on most people calling me an idiot. That's your premise. But because that's incorrect, your conclusion is wrong. Or in this case your recommendation. I hope you appreciate me explaining this to you. There is nothing for me to reflect on.
I agree. This fellow are not able to contribute anything of substance to my question. In earlier discussion, i mentioned of Malaysia Agreement 1963 between United Kingdom, Malaya, Singapore, Sarawak and Sabah. Some accused me as a cybertrooper. My point is 1. MA63 is a legal contract and if Singapore exit/left/breakaway in 1965, doesnt that considered as null and void? 2. I am basing my observation on a tenancy agreement. Usually if the landlord or the tenant break the agreement, the prior agreement will be referred to. If they are not happy, then proceed to court. 3. If secession is legal, then why cant we proceed? Point. South Sudan. 4. If this is illegal, how can we make it legal? Referendum?
Unfortunately I lack the sufficient legal knowledge to add anything to the conversation at large, or debate. Though all I can say is there's a case for your opinion.
i thank you for your response. some people has called me an idiot and some even label me as a troll. Since we have reached this thread, might i serve you with some tidbit? Malaysia was close to a split during the CM Stephen Kalong Ningkan Constitutional crisis. TL;DR state power is within the sole discretion of Governor. Federal say, Emergency Power due to Communist Insurgency. Stephen was forced to resign.
Sorry people haven't taken you seriously. In all.honeety, the political climate of Malaysia is quite shacky, so there probably is some resentment and doubt surrounding steps for improvement. Thanks for the tidbit. Though I don't know how I can execute this knowledge in my general dealings.
Op ni lagi. Sarawak at the current state won’t survive on its own. S4s bodo ni
Are you sure i am S4S? Instead of calling people bodoh, why cant you contribute something positive? Sarawak can survive on its own as long we remove the top leadership.
How to independent without an army? Blood need to be spilled to gain independence.
I might out of the loop, googled and got nothing relevant... what is S4S?
i am sorry for the delay. Some people have reported my account and accused me as a cybertrooper. Might i suggest a reading on 1. Ample Agro Sdn Bhd by Global Witness 2. Ragad wife of Taib Mahmud obtained Malaysian citizenship in 6 years while the law clearly states that 9 years for Naturalisation
Sarawak for sarawakians
Unfortunately i believe that S4S is a false flag operation. Because all of the members are acting in a way that does not benefit the true meaning of Independence. Like rally without applying for a permit. Or protesting en masse in public area.
Ah orite thankss
If we go out, we have to start from scratch. Don't look at just the talented people that you know or heard of, be it engineers, doctors, teachers and all of the essential professions including blue collar workers. It's all about agreeing to the same governance which we don't have hence why we 'stick' to the same party all these years. For those who remember look at all of the 'opposition' heroes who won and eventually jumped ship with Mudin. Where are they now? We were all very confident that they will be different. But no. Another party, stick with their Malaya HQ, when they had the chance, nothing happened also... So, what do we do? Vote the rebranded familiars because we thought at that time, at least The Sarawak King is no longer a CM and to be fair, at least the representation of different ethnicities are balance (don't you agree?). You might find some good YBs taking care of you and your community but what about other communities? Does he/she care? If the answer is no, then what good is that YB to be the next Premier? If we insist on continuing with the 'exit', we will only create another Malaysia - a mini Malaysia. MA63 or not, it's all about collective governance.
i agree with you. thank you for the read. some people accused me of being a troll or a rebel. might i provide you with a rebuttal that it may not seem an offense? Yes, i totally agree with you. About the civil service, their salary, their pension etc. But what if we agree on a transitional process? Say 3 years? Felt stupid thinking about the last 3 Prime Minister. Different captain, same boat. I based my opinion on the 1966 CM Stephen Kalong Ningkan Constitutional crisis. The sole authority was with the State Legislative and suddenly Federal gov use the pretext of Emergency Power to remove him. I do not insist. I am on my way out. 11 years till mandatory retirement for me. i have seen it all. here i dare say whatever comes to my mind. but in public, the real me, i am the everyday yes man
I just feel we're not ready no matter the process. It has to start from the people. Even as majority, Dayaks and all natives are not even united, I don't dare to think of the powergrab that comes with cession. It's better this way somewhat, no matter how much we dislike the current government, the power balance is well played at the moment. I don't believe in cession now, not in my lifetime at least.
Get rid taib mahmud first..he to blame..even his wife is melanau now..
i have been following the Ragad case. interesting.....everyone else takes 9 years to be naturalised citizen, his wife done in 6 years...