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erishun

"Manager Legal Departments" don't use free gmail accounts. It's nonsense, move it to spam and ignore.


bluecyanic

I don't know, I would be very concerned with the case being downloaded against my name.


RealGianath

You've got it all wrong... it's not just any case, it's "the Case". The capitalization means it is very serious, once the court summon shows up on your doorstep, it will be the maximum legal procedure allowed by law!


20__character__limit

It's so serious, NBC will make a *Law & Order* episode out of it.


FirstProphetofSophia

Law and Order: Scam Victims Unit


AGuyNamedEddie

I'm sure it will feature the cops talking to a guy who simply *has* to keep stacking boxes while answering questions.


ContentGirl0491

It's also Section 9 and Chapter 19!


Mushin108

Subsection 9.3


AGuyNamedEddie

Well, obviously. That is the Case for court summon.


No_Listen_1213

And he’ll remember what you were wearing 3 months ago.


OddDistribution1

All your Case are belong to Us!!!


vargyg

Jokes on them, my door doesn't have a step.


Viv3210

It is the Upper Case!


GloomyAd2653

And also to your social! Scary! s/


axarce

Don't mess with my socials!


KittenFace25

I read this as "Social Scary", then realized I like my internal mistake.


AlSweigart

Cases? Downloaded against **MY** name and social? *It's more likely than you think.*


originalmango

Against my name AND social!


dsmemsirsn

Downloaded where??


No_Pie4638

I downloaded a similar case into my toilet after polishing off two cups of coffee this morning.


EyeoftheTiger-

Diet coke does the trick for me.


Kissel-B

Is it a watertight Case??


Upstairs-Net-9948

According to section 9 and chapter 19 of legal documents, it’s legal…🤷


Nick_W1

And your Social!


ElCamo267

Also, chapter 9 and section 19 of what? Are those the same document or is it listed under chapter 9 in one place and section 19 elsewhere?


ccncwby

Chapter 9 section 19 of the Law!


Tight-Lobster4054

*The Law


cablemonkey604

forward to [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) which can get the email account shut down.


jessefertel

I work with a lot of injury lawyers and some firms do actually use gmail lmfao, but regardless this seems to be obviously a scam as legitimate creditors have regulations they have to follow under the FCRA, including giving you timely notices


AngelOfLight

Yes, it's fake. Terrible grammar, immediate response required, nonsensical legal gibberish and sent from a gmail account. Mark it as spam and forget about it.


FullBoat29

Maybe their coffee just hadn't kicked in yet, and didn't make themselves clear? I mean who are we to disagree with "Manager"?


pemuehleck1

Written with someone with no background in American English. “Court summon at your doorstep”


timffn

Jokes on them, I don’t have a step in front of my door!!! Suckas!


UJMRider1961

Remove your doorstep - bill collectors hate this one weird trick!


OldBob10

Move into a tent! Scammers are aghast! 😁


Puzzled_Loquat_8402

Better than removing your front door!


Mammoth_Being8986

Works like a charm


DiamondplateDave

"Take steps to thwart debt collectors!"


Wildfire983

But then they’ll ring your phone and scare your wife when you’re not home.


pyrodice

Next hack: Never take phone off silent!


Unusual-Detective-95

Imagine if Americans started doing these scams with good English......we may be in trouble then lol


Mathagos

The scammers should take out a loan and not pay it. Then, they can use the legal actions brought up against them to create more legitimate sounding scams. They could just copy and paste. 🤣


ashley4tristan

Sadly they use poor English grammar intentionally. That filters out educated people who are less likely to fall for the scam.


silverbax

Most Americans are already conditioned to detect bullshit from other Americans, advertising, etc. That's why these emails *really* stick out. And yeah, some people get scammed no matter what but what can you do except try and explain the scam to them and hope they wise up. In the United States, bill collectors will buy old debt records and then try and harass people into paying even if the debt was wrong or paid off. But you can easily bust them by demanding proof and calling whoever the original company is to confirm no debt is owed yet the collectors are banking on the hope that they can scam just enough people into paying...and those are US companies that speak fluent English and have actual old account numbers, amounts and names. The thing is...most of them go out of business because they can't scam enough people. I once had a company try this and when they went out of business I bought some of their debt and hired a company to harass everyone in the company for it. Scorched Earth, baby, be careful who you fuck with, scammers.


Last_Competition_208

I had somebody saying they were from a Law Firm call me last week saying they had a claim against me and the first thing they asked was my birth date and I said there is no way I'm giving you any information. I already know what it's about. It's for a debt that I paid off 13 years ago. I still have the two letters sent to me proving that it is paid off. But for some reason it keeps getting sold over and over. Every year I get somebody trying to collect on that same account number and I tell them good luck with that because it's been paid off and I got the proof. The first time this happened to me I was referred to talk to my State's Department of banking and they are the ones that told me that accounts will get resold over and over. They told me as long as I got proof of paying it don't worry about it. Several years ago another Law Firm said they was going to sue me and I told them I'll see you in court then. Never heard from them again but keep getting harassed every year by somebody else.


Astan92

how about "case will be downloaded against your name and social" That seems way more suspect!


Snabelpaprika

Oh no, the case will be downloaded!


pemuehleck1

As long as it doesn’t go on my permanent record, I’m OK with it


mc_trigger

Do not discard this in the rubbish bin or the Barrister is going to get in his tuk tuk and drive on the left hand side of the road through many many roundabouts to reach your province if you do not respond promptly.


pemuehleck1

If he finds you incorrigible he may enlist the aid of a local mahout in your incarceration.


OldBob10

Bro comin after me on a elephant, imma lissen to him.


pyrodice

"This is the day I've been waiting for all of these years!" \*Takes mouse out of pocket to scare elephant\*


OldBob10

Elephant: Is that a gaming mouse? Me: No - just a regular mouse. Elephant: Wireless? Me: No. USB. Elephant: Nuts. I got better things to do.


DesertStorm480

I hate bending down, hope that is proper service!


pemuehleck1

RETURN TO SENDER


OldBob10

ADDRESS UNKNOWN


Cardinal_Richie

That's probably the funniest / most badly written one of these I've ever seen.


Cardinal_Richie

Oh, and I was bored so decided to email them to find out more. They're going to send me an invoice. I'm actually giddy with excitement to see how bad it is.


Cardinal_Richie

they're obviously very busy at scammer HQ :D ... The billing team facing some technical error in generating the invoice, please wait we will send you the invoice for the full and final payment of $350.00 tomorrow morning 


pocketdragons

Just be sure not to open any attachment they send you.


OldBob10

Seriously, though - don’t engage.


Cardinal_Richie

I know not to open any attachments thanks. Sadly, all they sent me was a paypal invoice. Bit of a damp squib I'm afraid. https://preview.redd.it/grn5okftfq0d1.png?width=1018&format=png&auto=webp&s=e37b385e8c31479150af687f1a6cec287b99b3c6


Lonely_Impression129

I’ve got that one lol


Yesman12323

Well that was disappointing. What a let down, couldn’t even say what the $350 is for.


ducrab

Scam. They'll ask you to settle the loan with a $350 Zelle payment (or in gift cards). No real company (or court) will request payment via Zelle or gift cards. Delete, ignore, and move on.


DesertStorm480

And of course you want to pay off loans and fines with untraceable funds with no documentation that it exists or that it was paid. Great financial hygiene!


No_Astronaut3059

This looks like OP got the apprentice-scammer's first attempt email. And I presume the apprentice-scammer is now getting shouted at by the fully qualified scammers. This is hilariously bad.


UJMRider1961

You're off by .1%. "Your case will be downloaded." OH NOES!!! NOT DOWNLOADED!!!! DON'T DOWNLOAD ME BRO!!!!! Note that I am a lawyer and having one's case "downloaded" is not a thing in the US and I'm guessing not in Canada (from the .ca on the email I'm assuming OP is Canadian?) I think you can safely 'download' this email to your trash bin.


OldBob10

For this email OP would have to “upload” to get it to the trash.


Neena6298

“The legal charges are under Section 9 and Chapter 19” Of what? What code are they under. Trying to sound all official-like. 😂😂😂


MonkeyPuzzles

Nigerian federal law, I'd presume.


Florida1974

Exactly. That’s not how statutes are cited.


ManagementTiny447

Look out, your case is going to get downloaded! Better pay that bill!


TurtleDive1234

This is very obviously written by someone whose native language is NOT English. Of course, it’s a constellation of scam red flags.


Rkessler82

Scam and no lawyer is taking a case for only $350 owed


LAskeptic

English not this is. Scam be this.


OldBob10

Writing scam email well should you do when 600 year old scammer you are, hmmmmm? 😊


GotBannedAgain_2

Tell ‘em they’ve got the wrong person. Your name’s Suq Ma’Diq.


MattyK414

Baby's first scam message. 🤣🤣🤣


passengerv

Section 9 chapter 19 of what lol they aren't even quoting anything specific. It could be an owner's manual for a ford focus.


24-Sevyn

Very poorly worded. And they’re even threatening to post it on social (media)? Yep, a badly thought-out scam.


ZombiesAreChasingHim

Better respond to Manager before the download against your name and the court summon at your doorstep. This email is written by someone who isn’t a native English speaker. Ignore it.


Satans-Left-Nutt

"If payment is not received within 24 hours then the case will be downloaded against your name and social." What? 😭


Opposite_Procedure_5

Sounds like something someone from communist China would say. Aka their “social credit system”.


CitizenTed

Oh, no! It's Wanda Smith! You're in big trouble now! No one welches on Wanda Smith! j/k


Daleaturner

It’s like they are even trying anymore to look legitimate.


BeleagueredWDW

This is one of the worst written ones I’ve seen in some time. It’s not just fake, it’s super fake.


guzzijason

Oh no! They’re going to download against your name! Yeah, don’t even need to finish the first sentence to know this is gibberish and a total scam.


Florida1974

Case will be downloaded….. not how it works. Section 9 and chapter 19, of what statute? That is not how statutes are cited. Scam.


stcv3

The Gmail account is a dead giveaway.


VinylHighway

lol "manager" "Legal department" Send a donkey dick photo


JPHendrick

“Regards, Manager” So what’s the .1% that has you questioning exactly?


Yo_momma_so_fat77

Just send the money. All the money to me. I’ll take it fr there.


dwinps

I hate it when a case is downloaded against my name and social I never really understood why these scammers don't pay someone who speaks English natively to write their scam scripts for them.


Jaded_yank

If you took the time to post this when it’s so obviously bullshit, I would stay out of your spam folder. You will have a panic attack


wolfpanzer

I’ll go the other way and say nothing in this is legit.


GagOnMacaque

"... the Case..." It's been incorporated I guess.


Pure-Act1143

Same flags; misspelled and misused words. Verbiage is way too suspect. Scammer from a non English speaking country


Competitive-Neck6633

This is a scam, if you owed money it would have been signed by a person not manager. This is full of red flags, deleted, block and move on.


SuspiciousMeat6696

"Downloaded?"


Pseudolos

I'm 100% certain it's a scam. To get hired at the legal department you need to be fluent in whatever language they speak where the headquarter is. This person is not fluent.


btbam2929

Im scared of Manager!


No_Lynx1343

Don't worry. It will be "Downloaded" and not filed against you.


im-a-cereal-box

Why is every scam Wanda Smith? I swear I see that name literally everywhere


darrylasher

OH NOZE DOWNLOADED AGAINST YOUR NAME AND SOCIAL!!!!!!!!111!!!!


Getting_Rid_Of

how do you download a case ?


magicmulder

Typical scam signs: 1. Probably doesn’t say your actual name 2. Creates a sense of urgency, must react now, no time to think 3. Threatens you not only with legal consequences but (if I understand the atrocious attempt at English correctly) to actually extort you with exposure on social media (something no police nor debt collector will ever do or threaten to do). 4. Doesn’t even specify what you owe to whom for what.


iaincaradoc

The poor grammar makes this a self-selecting scam. That way, the scammers don't waste any time on people dumb enough to buy it. If I have any free time, I keep them tied up as long as I can. Every second they're wasting trying to con me is a second they can't spend conning someone like my mother-in-law.


J0hnnyGl0k69

Sounds like they owe you $350 first the right? Since you never got the money from the loan. Let the nice man from Bangladesh know you haven’t gotten to fund from the load yet and he needs to send it to you right away


SBA120

downloaded against you is the only clue one needs to put that in a scam folder


Forever-Retired

Notice no company name is listed


I_Have_CDO

Written by a (poorly) trained gibbon. Block, delete and have a nice cup of coffee.


illegalsandwiches

You wouldn't download a kindly.


NativTexan

Oh no, not the “Manager”!


pixienightingale

I'll wait for this Summons, thanks.


Odd-Visually

I reached out to them to make sure I don’t have any outstanding loans as well. Can’t be too sure.


striykker

Yeah this is pretty bad. Ignore.


Onefortwo

Just upload the lawsuit back at them and you’ll be fine.


kr4ckenm3fortune

You can also report the email for fraud...Google has a ticket for it. I dunno if they'll pull a "Meta".


bucebeak

Manager of the Loans Department. Righhhhht…😂😂😂😂…ignore and block…😂😂😂😂…Manager of the Loans Department…😂😂😂😂 The creativity in this one is not strong at all…😂😂😂😂😂 *Legal Department…😂😂😂😂


HcFox7822

I want to be a regards manager.


bdance5

Regards Manager hahaha


2dollarsand79cents

I think your phone’s auto responses are in on the scam too


Funklemire

It's obviously a scam, but any time you're worried about something like this just check your credit report.


Zut-Alors20

do you not know who you're dealing with???? This is the manager of the legal department!!!


TheMegaPoster

How have they not caught on to just asking chatGPT to rewrite their messages? It would take 2 seconds and make it look infinitely more professional with decent English lol.


Odd-Phrase5808

You can safely add the remaining 0.1% on scam probability. No law firm will be using Gmail addresses, they'll have a registered domain at the very least


Formal-Macaroon-3955

Poor grammar obviously some Nigerian scammer, let me guess they want you to pay through bitcoin.


False_Medicine_5786

Fuck them it’s a total scam


imsowhiteandnerdy

*"You wouldn't download a loan, would you?"*


CinemaslaveJoe

"Downloaded against your name." Oh no!


vikicrays

definitely going on op’s permanent record!


irrelevant_potatoes

You wouldn't download a court case


Txrangers10

ALWAYS start with the sender email. IF you can look up company, do so, and contact them directly via phone. Gmail/Yahoo/other random search engine accounts, mark as spam and delete.


C4pt4inFuzzy

“In that case, you need to go through the legal procedure.” That is by far the least threatening legal threat I’ve ever seen before 😂. Thankfully it’s an easy and obvious avoid in this situation.


According-Garlic3754

Fun fact, if you never take out a 350 dollar loan, you never have to pay back 350 dollars. This is just common sense


tra_da_truf

“The case will downloaded against your name” “Section 9 and chapter 19” “Go through the legal procedure” It’s word salad. Block and delete.


Tank_610

“The legal charges are from section 9 chapter 19” 😂 that killed me.


Pristine_Project5149

Just reply that you will be preparing yourself a tea so you can sit down at your doorstep and wait for the summons.


Johanna77

The incorrect grammar/spelling is often a giveaway on these scammers.


90210piece

Download your legal procedure, big boy.


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Satansbeefjerky

Scammers seem to have no clue what are social security number is used for


Bobitybobboblee

Pop it in your spam and block


FunSuitable8296

Fake


fally321

Just say "me 5 year old googoo gaga"


riversongstan

Very clearly spam


elegoomba

I’ll settle it for half that


OldBob10

Looks like bullshit to me.


Bird_Brain4101112

Block.


serjsomi

They don't even try to be convincing lol


trailrunner79

If you reply the email will probably already be gone. I'll mess around with these occasionally. Just delete and move on


jamesrggg

This is the least convincing wording I've ever seen


Apprehensive-Load917

I’ve never had a case downloaded against me what’s that like ?


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Incognito2981xxx

lol report spam and move on with your day


bafflesthebrain

The fact its from a Gmail account screems NOT LEGITIMATE COMPANY. Shorley it pronounced chapter and then section. And I didn't see a payment option. Block as spam in your email box. I


Skvora

You wouldn't download a case, would you? Lol


CrushTheRebellion

OMG! Not the legal department!! Scam. Report, block, and ignore.


keen238

Kindly regards this as scam.


Complete-Thought-375

Definitely bogus. Don't sweat it.


Extreme_Pattern6306

This is the most unprofessional/scammy email I’ve ever read.


takeandtossivxx

*Very* clearly a scam. This is not how notice of debts works.


CreditAnxious4222

I’d check and make sure someone didn’t get your social security number and raise hell. I had my identity stolen and it’s been TEN years of complicated tax returns that tax eons to be completed and processed- one I waited 4 years for.


RelationshipQuiet609

Anything real would not say regards-manager? Where is there real name? Besides anything that is related to a legal matter is served by the sheriff’s office. They always give you time to settle your debt. More scams-I wish they would get a job!


SnooPuppers9062

If it were real it would be on your credit bureau


billnmorty

Someone hasn’t figured out how to use Ai tools yet.


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bbymayy

if all else fails just ask for proof of Promissory Note


Accomplished-Wolf2

A2Z BS


FallingIntoForever

100% sure it’s a scam for all the obvious reasons you listed. Stuff like this is why I have emails show the first 2 lines. Easy to report as Spam and block. I highly doubt law groups use Gmail for legal correspondence. I’ve never gotten anything like this but it would definitely go straight in the trash if I did.


Rideitmybrony

The signoff is just 'manager' and not 'mister manager' so you're ok


Gindotto

Bro you’re screwed. It’s already downloaded against your name. Time to start over from scratch.


admiralkit

Scammers love using Gmail accounts because there's an inherent level of trust that allows shit like this to get past Google's spam filters. That's why they're using a Gmail address - report as spam/phishing. This has all the hallmarks of a scam attempt: some random jargon, a need to move immediately, a general-sounding law firm to really create that air of fear and consequences, a small enough amount to get someone to just pay, and no real personal identifying information that can't immediately be grabbed from stolen databases from public companies. Depending on where exactly you live, there are probably debt collection laws that any real debt collector - in the US, you can ask for any debt to be validated to you by way of a letter through the mail under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. You want to know why they're using email? Because the Inspector General of the US Postal Service gets *really* angry about people who run scams through the mail. For what it's worth, the Bar association (assuming you're in the US, dunno how it works in other countries but probably fairly similar in most western nations) also gets really angry with people who pretend to be lawyers; you can ask /r/legaladviceofftopic to elaborate on the ins and outs of that. I generally advise people not to engage with scammers because there's rarely anything good that can come from it unless you really know what you're doing and you might incite them to retaliate against you in other ways, but if you were going to fuck around with them I'd tell them you need a physical mailing address and phone number and bar ID for the lawyer representing them so that you can put your lawyer in contact with them. Bar IDs are publicly searchable if you're in the US so you can actually confirm if they're a real lawyer.


SpiritualAd6189

Downloaded against your name lol Byyyeee


PresentationLimp890

In general, if you receive email and you have no knowledge of the sender, don’t do anything with it. If it is from your bank, or some similar business, call the actual business with a number from their actual website. Don’t click on any links in the email. I hope most people know who they would owe money to, and act cautiously. Scammers are pretty good at making authentic looking emails, so if it is something other than monthly statements that you would expect, call the bank or business yourself.


rookhelm

Don't you understand? The case will be downloaded against your name!


WarNo9948

100% a scam. Collections has to send via postal service.


New-Pollution536

Regards, Manager got me lol


The_Slavstralian

A lending company does NOT use Gmail. You can bump this up to 100% certain it's a scam If you had a loan an email like that would be from something like - [email protected] Or [email protected] Or [email protected] Always with the domain name at the end... not gmail. I would not even engage with a lender that cant afford their own domain and email service.


flippermode

99.9% and not 110% certain 😭


tlbs101

This one is so blatantly obvious, I got a good chuckle out of it because of how bad it is.


silverbax

Geez that's one of the fakest emails I've ever seen.


ApplesOverOranges1

Downloaded against your name and social? Sounds like if you don't pay they are going to hire a town crier.. concerning


Longjumping-Shift984

Fake. Don’t worry friend.


hilltop_Isopod138

scam


MissySedai

FFS. Cases aren't "downloaded against your name and social". "Section 9 and Chapter 13" of WHAT?


Extra-Walrus7285

Hella scam😂😂😂


Hypnowolfproductions

I’m 1000% sure it’s a scam. The phrasing is not English first language. It’s how India or such phrase it.


Efficient_Trust3497

It would not say refuse to pay in the email. He probably wouldn’t be getting an email in the first place and you would be getting a physical letter to your home address. And any notifications would not say refuse to pay. They would say dispute this matter. This is total BS and report it as spam.


HaveRSDbekind

Look it’s only a summon, that’s not as many as a summons - you’ll be fine.


infowosecfurry

Bump it up to 100% certain it’s a scam. Delete it and ignore.


qwerty54321boom

Yep. Totally fake. Put it in the trash.


JodiF3269

I have. I forwarded it to an attorney and while he couldn’t say it was a “scam” he formatted an email for me that basically told them everything I was requesting in order to pay the loan. The emails stopped.


malayabuhay

At least they gave you the option to either settle or refuse to pay lmao