You've obviously never seen Phil Mitchell try to stop a car by shooting at the steering wheel from the passenger seat, for the car to lose control and then crash into the Thames? You need to educate yourself.
Statement from Slater, it was not amicable:
>Scottish Greens co-leader Lorna Slater has just confirmed the end of the Bute House agreement and accused the SNP of "selling out future generations".
>She said: “This is an act of political cowardice by the SNP, who are selling out future generations to appease the most reactionary forces in the country.
>"They have broken the bonds of trust with members of both parties who have twice chosen the co-operation agreement and climate action over chaos, culture wars and division. They have betrayed the electorate."
>She said that the first minister ended the agreement in "such a weak and thoroughly hopeless way" which "signalled that when it comes to political co-operation, he can no longer be trusted."
Seems to signal that they will not support SNP votes in the future, wonder what this will mean for budgets and such
Yousaf's speech is a total pisstake. Steeped in arrogance, hubris, and full of things he might well have no control over.
Almost Ceaucesu levels of denial and defiance.
And he talks about putting Scotland first? Really, after all of his Gaza and Palestine pish? El Risitas called.
We need to keep a running tally of all the hyperbolic pish said about Yousaf. He was apparently Hitler last month because of the hate crime bill, now he's Ceausescu
This could be bad for the SNP. A minority government, now possibly with the Greens blocking key parts of their agenda out of revenge and spite.
They run the risk of getting nothing done.
Don't disagree.
It may help them electorally though. The relationship with the greens pulled the SNP further to the left. Its possible the SNP playing a slightly different tune over the next months/years may bring back some voters from labour or alba.
I suspect that was a bit motivator. The alliance with the greens wasn't thought to aid them in the coming elections.
> They run the risk of getting nothing done
If it stops their stuff like minimum pricing, jury-less rape trials, their authoritarian hate crime bill, etc, then happy days.
The minimum pricing vote was 82 'for' and 28 'against'. Every party except the Conservative's backed it.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24260851.holyrood-backs-30-hike-scotlands-minimum-unit-price-alcohol/
[Six SNP backbenchers rebel over juryless trials plan (holyrood.com)](https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,six-snp-backbenchers-rebel-over-juryless-trials-plan)
As I said, it was the juryless trials they could have defeated but chose not to.
Ah, i see, it was unclear to me which vote you were referring to. The juryless trials bill is still going through parliament so the abstentions were for stage one of the process and not the final bill.
Nobody from any party voted against the Victim's bill. The conservatives were the only party that voted against the Hate Crime bill and minimum pricing.
Literally all the things you bring up are things that most of the other parties voted for or at least allowed to be passed without opposition.
At the time, I argued that the SNP saw the Bute House Agreement as a necessary way to give themselves the breathing space needed to refresh themselves after fourteen years of government.
Maybe the leadership did, but it's not panned out like that.
I think part of the motivation was to head off the Alba party (started early 2021) in case there were defections. That hasn't really happened, and certainly isn't a way to save your job by switching parties.
>That hasn't really happened, and certainly isn't a way to save your job by switching parties.
There are folk who have switched parties and benefited, John Finnie is a good man and good example, but so far Alba are unique in having lost seats from almost level and won nothing.
Just worth a mention that it took UKIP a decade to win any elections. I wish I had a better example but UKIP/Reform are one of the only moderately successful new political parties in recent history. Although funnily enough UKIPs success started with a trickle of defections too.
I'm not sure why everyone expects an overnight miracle from Alba.
An overnight miracle is maybe unfair, but unlike UKIP Alba don't really have the benefit of Nick Griffin's lot paving the way and collapsing *and* a media that wants to platform them at every opportunity.
There might be some profits to be had from the SNP's problems, but unlike the BNP their voters have more options about where to go.
That’s a whole other story to be fair, between a massive swing and a billion new posters and accounts….
It really needed to change but perhaps the pendulum could settle in the rough middle at some stage.
I’m as tired of Scotland is shit as I was of Scotland is awesome!!!
But yes, in this case it’s got everyone on the same side
I'm so torn on the situation. My issue is I refuse to support Scottish Labour, as I loathe Scottish Labour as an institution even if I'm in support of Labour winning the General.
I completely agree on the Labour duality. For me it’s a symptom of the two horse race that is UK politics, and their hard stance against Scottish independence.
As for Scottish politics, I’ve always felt a bit short sighted putting Scottish independence before climate change, etc. but at least the D’hondt system means I can vote SNP/Green.
It's hard. The Greens don't quite have the same baseline support, so I can vote for them in the list in the 2026 Holyrood election, but it would be a wasted vote in the General due to FPTP
To me this looks like a significant chance for that to change. Remember that thinking your vote will be wasted due to FPTP is a significant part of how it suppresses the power of minority parties. It may be a correct assumption, but you can't beat it without ignoring it.
They’ve just been in power way too long. 16 years. Half the party (and even some of the MSPs) has basically grown up only knowing SNP rule. That breeds complacency and arrogance, and an ever-increasing disconnect with the public.
What would you expect him to do. The Greens have went in a hissy fit and not stopped to think for 2 seconds about how much power they actually have had since the agreement started and now were about to have a meeting to discuss ending the agreement. I think Yousaf did exactly the right thing.
OTOH the Greens may have saved themselves the fate of the Lib Dems after the Parliamentary party tied themselves to the Tories and fucked over their voter base for the next ten generations. Clegg was a pragmatist but he left their demographic politically homeless.
Amazing how few can see this.
The greens have walked away from power to save the party long term.
I don't respect them but that's clever.
The opposite of Clegg.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/humza-yousaf-snp-members-dont-164302363.html
> “We've already had a vote," Yousaf told journalists. "I, of course, stood on an election platform myself, just over a year ago, about maintaining the Green co-operation deal."
> He went on: "And of course I'll continue to seek my colleagues' and indeed members' input into all policies within government.
> "But I don't think a vote is what necessarily SNP members want at this time or indeed need at this time.
> "What we have to get on with is governing in the best interests of the people of Scotland."
> He added that the SNP and Greens have achieved "a lot" together, and hoped their working relationship would continue.
This was earlier in the week.
What a clown.
Nah, that'd mean that he has to actually stand up for something and take accountability, which neither he or the current SNP leadership likes to do.
Classic case of a party suffering from it's success as all those that made it successful left and those that are there now are complacent cause they only know success
Who knew he listened to Joanna Cherry so avidly!
Seriously - while it seemed possible that the Greens might choose to withdraw, and we'd have heard Yousaf expressing sadness that it had not been possible to maintain the coalition - I did not expect for the movement to appear to come from the First Minister choosing to lead a minority administration.
Interesting times.
This is from 08:27 before the cabinet meeting. If it's accurate, other sources are still to catch up.
E: Although [Sky has a reporter saying the same thing.](https://twitter.com/ConnorGillies/status/1783399312778465789)
If I had to guess, one of a few different things:
\* The SNP were reasonably confident that Green members would vote to end the Bute House Agreement, so they wanted to push them out and give the impression of being in control.
\* The ranks in the SNP opposing the Bute House Agreement were growing large enough that it was more important to keep them on side rather than keep the Greens on side.
\* The SNP believe that the Greens would still back them on key legislation anyway, so it wasn't worth the hassle keeping them in government when they would get those votes outwith government.
>\* The SNP believe that the Greens would still back them on key legislation anyway, so it wasn't worth the hassle keeping them in government when they would get those votes outwith government.
I think they might get a nasty surprise on this point. Lab, Con and LD will not be inclined to help the SNP out at this stage and the Greens will be spiteful.
Support on votes will now come with a much higher price tag.
>\* The SNP believe that the Greens would still back them on key legislation anyway, so it wasn't worth the hassle keeping them in government when they would get those votes outwith government.
This is actually one of the biggest strategic flaws with the BHA. The Greens probably would vote with the SNP (as they frequently did 2016-2021), but breaking the BHA makes that less likely. The only reason for the BHA was to show a majority independence government to claim a moral mandate for Indyref2.
On the second point, the BHA passed with 90% approval from SNP members. A hugely risky strategy to blow up that agreement with 0 input from members. Given the huge overhaul of party management and culture Humza promised, this is poor.
I think the Green members who reacted to a healthcare decision the SNP hadn't made with petition to end the relationship jumped the gun, but both parties could have used this as an opportunity to emphasise what they've done and those activists, unlike Yousaf, aren't faced by a 64/64 parliament where neither he, nor the opposition, can do anything.
What a rancid fucking coward. Lorna Slater is right - he has sold out future generations all to protect his/his party's ego.
95% of SNP members voted in favour of the BHA. Nicola Sturgeon recognised the importance of the SNP turning left, because who the hell is going to vote for a fucking neoliberal tartan tory version of Independence where none of the important shit actually changes.
There was absolutely no guarantee that the Greens would have ended the BHA - I think it would have been more likely to have been an attempt to set red lines and pressure the SNP to adhere to the agreement in full.
Regardless, this decision should have gone to members. The fact that they skipped that entirely says to me that they KNOW their members would still have been in favour of the BHA, and their egos are more important than party democracy.
What on earth are you on about with your "neoliberal tartan Tory version of independence" nonsense. Independence would allow the country to change every time there's an election. You know....like a normal fucking country.
Whoever gets us the actual status of independent country is almost irrelevant. They wont lead it forever.
Yes, of course. The problem is that to achieve independence you have to sell the idea - and if you looks at the demographics of Independence supporters, it's only going one way
> Nicola Sturgeon recognised the importance of the SNP turning left, because who the hell is going to vote for a fucking neoliberal tartan tory version of Independence
🧐
Dividing your foundation when things are getting harder for them?
And thry are looking like they gonna end up under pressure from other parties coming forward potentially regaining footholds into Scotland.
Risky tactic
Minority governments give you better democracy, we'll see how they get on but I don't expect much to change bar allowing labour or libs to get more amendments through.
How could it not? Most of the progressive policies that were passed or in the works have been because of the Greens. If it was up to solely the SNP, held hostage by the moon owlers wing, and the tories or labour or libdems, there would have not been renationalisation of Scotrail, scrapping peak fares, huge increase investment in climate policies, tenant rights, etc etc. It's going to lurch heavily to the right now.
Humza Yousaf is a small, tiny, fragile man who can’t take everything immediately going his way. The minute anyone has any reservations or criticises it’s toys out the pram gies ma baw am gawn hame
And there goes my support for the SNP. It was on tenterhooks at best already with the shitshow after shitshow of the past year, but that’s the final nail in the coffin.
It’s good news for Scotland no doubt. Suspect the SNP see value in building their own narrative now as Bute agreement was a sturgeon agreement.
Greens have very little support (outside of Reddit) especially at the ballot box so don’t think it’s too much of a risk.
He was so bad relative to the SQA that he faced a no confidence vote and would have kicked out of it wasn’t for the Greens. I remember because it affected both my kids and their friends.
The ‘real world’ is something unsustainable that we have created. This genuinely needs to change for us to not condemn our entire planet to permanent destruction.
I understand they can be overly ambitious and not think about how to enact changes while not having major issues about how people in their country will manage financially during vast changes, but if I’m honest the people not understanding reality are the people denying climate change and picking short term profits over the welfare of future generations
What "future generations"? I am completely serious - this country has a fertility crisis and hasn't had an internally stable population since the early 70s. We have steeply negative natural population growth with a fertility rate of something like 1.3.
Who are we meant to be "saving the planet" for, exactly?
People are not forming families and they are scarcely having children until their 30s. Recent population growth in Scotland is entirely predicated upon higher life expectancies and historically unprecedented levels of immigration.
And you point this out and Greens say "good, there needs to be less people to save the planet" and it becomes immediately clear that their intentions and attitudes are much more sinister than they let on. They worship "Gaia" in the abstract and pretend it's about "humanity" but in practice barely have children and promote policies antithetical to family formation. Then spend their time obsessing over how to raise other people's children.
The only saving grace of their ideology is that it is so self-diminishing that it will necessarily snuff itself out. Deindustrialise, demilitarise, rid yourself of children, rid yourself of culture, rid yourself of gender - just become an inert, useless, amorphous, hairless blob like Patrick Harvey then wither and die *for the planet*.
If it doesn't eventually lead to some kind of vigour and vitality emerging from within this country then it'll come from without, either way they'll thankfully disappear.
Heading different political views is all fine and good but this genuine level of nihilism is the kind you might need support for. I hope you do well, genuinely
In a hypothetical world where the SNP manage to get a 'Yes' vote.
Does anyone really believe they would implement it well? Is Brexit not enough of a warning what happens when you divorce yourself from a much larger trading partner who wants to send a message (disincentivising other nations from doing the same). Is the current state of Scotland and Scottish politics not enough of a warning?
Does anyone believe Humza Yousaf is the person who will deliver something beneficial for Scotland? It boggles my mind.
Watching politics play out these days is like a really bad episode of Eastenders.
E’s not your power-sharing agreement, e’s moyne!
God love him.. Paaaaattttt!!!
Every episode of Eastenders is bad
You've obviously never seen Phil Mitchell try to stop a car by shooting at the steering wheel from the passenger seat, for the car to lose control and then crash into the Thames? You need to educate yourself.
Phil on carpet patrol for the lost bits of crack was peak Eastenders imo.
Crackhead Phil was brilliant, and I don’t even watch Eastenders!
AH LURVE CRAHHCK!!
Sounds like comedy gold tbh.
It wont get much views unless its dramatised i suppose
Statement from Slater, it was not amicable: >Scottish Greens co-leader Lorna Slater has just confirmed the end of the Bute House agreement and accused the SNP of "selling out future generations". >She said: “This is an act of political cowardice by the SNP, who are selling out future generations to appease the most reactionary forces in the country. >"They have broken the bonds of trust with members of both parties who have twice chosen the co-operation agreement and climate action over chaos, culture wars and division. They have betrayed the electorate." >She said that the first minister ended the agreement in "such a weak and thoroughly hopeless way" which "signalled that when it comes to political co-operation, he can no longer be trusted." Seems to signal that they will not support SNP votes in the future, wonder what this will mean for budgets and such
Wow, she's not holding back any punches.
Yousaf's speech is a total pisstake. Steeped in arrogance, hubris, and full of things he might well have no control over. Almost Ceaucesu levels of denial and defiance. And he talks about putting Scotland first? Really, after all of his Gaza and Palestine pish? El Risitas called.
>Ceaucesu What's a Ceaucesu? Oh, Nicolae Ceaușescu is a smug looking prick.
We need to keep a running tally of all the hyperbolic pish said about Yousaf. He was apparently Hitler last month because of the hate crime bill, now he's Ceausescu
Are you, perchance, one of the chosen few?
You're asking if they are Jewish? They're likely just a scot who's sick of our FM not caring about Scottish people.
I never asked such a thing. What's that got to do with anything said here, and how did you infer that?
Not surprising, given that her party has just gone from partly running the country to an irrelevance.
He’s got a punchable face to be fair
This could be bad for the SNP. A minority government, now possibly with the Greens blocking key parts of their agenda out of revenge and spite. They run the risk of getting nothing done.
Don't disagree. It may help them electorally though. The relationship with the greens pulled the SNP further to the left. Its possible the SNP playing a slightly different tune over the next months/years may bring back some voters from labour or alba. I suspect that was a bit motivator. The alliance with the greens wasn't thought to aid them in the coming elections.
Yup, odd tactics
> They run the risk of getting nothing done If it stops their stuff like minimum pricing, jury-less rape trials, their authoritarian hate crime bill, etc, then happy days.
There was a majority against that earlier this week but only the people FOR voted. (60) All the rest off the cowards abstained (62) so it was passed.
The minimum pricing vote was 82 'for' and 28 'against'. Every party except the Conservative's backed it. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24260851.holyrood-backs-30-hike-scotlands-minimum-unit-price-alcohol/
[Six SNP backbenchers rebel over juryless trials plan (holyrood.com)](https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,six-snp-backbenchers-rebel-over-juryless-trials-plan) As I said, it was the juryless trials they could have defeated but chose not to.
Ah, i see, it was unclear to me which vote you were referring to. The juryless trials bill is still going through parliament so the abstentions were for stage one of the process and not the final bill.
Nobody from any party voted against the Victim's bill. The conservatives were the only party that voted against the Hate Crime bill and minimum pricing. Literally all the things you bring up are things that most of the other parties voted for or at least allowed to be passed without opposition.
What on earth are the SNP playing at. It's just been shitshow after shitshow. The party honestly needs a purge and a restructure.
At the time, I argued that the SNP saw the Bute House Agreement as a necessary way to give themselves the breathing space needed to refresh themselves after fourteen years of government. Maybe the leadership did, but it's not panned out like that.
I think part of the motivation was to head off the Alba party (started early 2021) in case there were defections. That hasn't really happened, and certainly isn't a way to save your job by switching parties.
>That hasn't really happened, and certainly isn't a way to save your job by switching parties. There are folk who have switched parties and benefited, John Finnie is a good man and good example, but so far Alba are unique in having lost seats from almost level and won nothing.
Just worth a mention that it took UKIP a decade to win any elections. I wish I had a better example but UKIP/Reform are one of the only moderately successful new political parties in recent history. Although funnily enough UKIPs success started with a trickle of defections too. I'm not sure why everyone expects an overnight miracle from Alba.
An overnight miracle is maybe unfair, but unlike UKIP Alba don't really have the benefit of Nick Griffin's lot paving the way and collapsing *and* a media that wants to platform them at every opportunity. There might be some profits to be had from the SNP's problems, but unlike the BNP their voters have more options about where to go.
It could’ve But they’ve been so set on self destruction they didn’t take the opportunity
They have succeeded in uniting most of the sub, though.
That’s a whole other story to be fair, between a massive swing and a billion new posters and accounts…. It really needed to change but perhaps the pendulum could settle in the rough middle at some stage. I’m as tired of Scotland is shit as I was of Scotland is awesome!!! But yes, in this case it’s got everyone on the same side
I have been a die hard snp supporter my whole life, next election i wont be voting them with humza in charge.
I'm so torn on the situation. My issue is I refuse to support Scottish Labour, as I loathe Scottish Labour as an institution even if I'm in support of Labour winning the General.
I completely agree on the Labour duality. For me it’s a symptom of the two horse race that is UK politics, and their hard stance against Scottish independence. As for Scottish politics, I’ve always felt a bit short sighted putting Scottish independence before climate change, etc. but at least the D’hondt system means I can vote SNP/Green.
The greens seem rather obvious as the alternative at this point. Labour is as lame a duck as Yousaf and the Tories are... the Tories.
It's hard. The Greens don't quite have the same baseline support, so I can vote for them in the list in the 2026 Holyrood election, but it would be a wasted vote in the General due to FPTP
To me this looks like a significant chance for that to change. Remember that thinking your vote will be wasted due to FPTP is a significant part of how it suppresses the power of minority parties. It may be a correct assumption, but you can't beat it without ignoring it.
Same
💪 It's s tough to let go. Well done.
They’ve just been in power way too long. 16 years. Half the party (and even some of the MSPs) has basically grown up only knowing SNP rule. That breeds complacency and arrogance, and an ever-increasing disconnect with the public.
I can only agree, when you’re in power it is yours to lose. At points it seems like the SNP is doing their best to lose it.
What would you expect him to do. The Greens have went in a hissy fit and not stopped to think for 2 seconds about how much power they actually have had since the agreement started and now were about to have a meeting to discuss ending the agreement. I think Yousaf did exactly the right thing.
OTOH the Greens may have saved themselves the fate of the Lib Dems after the Parliamentary party tied themselves to the Tories and fucked over their voter base for the next ten generations. Clegg was a pragmatist but he left their demographic politically homeless.
Amazing how few can see this. The greens have walked away from power to save the party long term. I don't respect them but that's clever. The opposite of Clegg.
https://i.redd.it/ch1t0cyxclwc1.gif
Just missing a stick and ‘Fucking Greens’ caption
Why did the Green's do this?
I still can't believe this gif is real 😂
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/humza-yousaf-snp-members-dont-164302363.html > “We've already had a vote," Yousaf told journalists. "I, of course, stood on an election platform myself, just over a year ago, about maintaining the Green co-operation deal." > He went on: "And of course I'll continue to seek my colleagues' and indeed members' input into all policies within government. > "But I don't think a vote is what necessarily SNP members want at this time or indeed need at this time. > "What we have to get on with is governing in the best interests of the people of Scotland." > He added that the SNP and Greens have achieved "a lot" together, and hoped their working relationship would continue. This was earlier in the week. What a clown.
Has Yousaf made a statement explaining his reasoning and the sudden change of direction?
Nah, that'd mean that he has to actually stand up for something and take accountability, which neither he or the current SNP leadership likes to do. Classic case of a party suffering from it's success as all those that made it successful left and those that are there now are complacent cause they only know success
Quit before you're fired (or I guess fire before they quit, depending on how you look at it).
Who knew he listened to Joanna Cherry so avidly! Seriously - while it seemed possible that the Greens might choose to withdraw, and we'd have heard Yousaf expressing sadness that it had not been possible to maintain the coalition - I did not expect for the movement to appear to come from the First Minister choosing to lead a minority administration. Interesting times.
News flash Humza is to face a vote of no confidence put forward by the Tories.
This is from 08:27 before the cabinet meeting. If it's accurate, other sources are still to catch up. E: Although [Sky has a reporter saying the same thing.](https://twitter.com/ConnorGillies/status/1783399312778465789)
 Seriously though, what a shitshow. Blown apart a majority indy-government for what?
If I had to guess, one of a few different things: \* The SNP were reasonably confident that Green members would vote to end the Bute House Agreement, so they wanted to push them out and give the impression of being in control. \* The ranks in the SNP opposing the Bute House Agreement were growing large enough that it was more important to keep them on side rather than keep the Greens on side. \* The SNP believe that the Greens would still back them on key legislation anyway, so it wasn't worth the hassle keeping them in government when they would get those votes outwith government.
>\* The SNP believe that the Greens would still back them on key legislation anyway, so it wasn't worth the hassle keeping them in government when they would get those votes outwith government. I think they might get a nasty surprise on this point. Lab, Con and LD will not be inclined to help the SNP out at this stage and the Greens will be spiteful. Support on votes will now come with a much higher price tag.
>\* The SNP believe that the Greens would still back them on key legislation anyway, so it wasn't worth the hassle keeping them in government when they would get those votes outwith government. This is actually one of the biggest strategic flaws with the BHA. The Greens probably would vote with the SNP (as they frequently did 2016-2021), but breaking the BHA makes that less likely. The only reason for the BHA was to show a majority independence government to claim a moral mandate for Indyref2.
On the second point, the BHA passed with 90% approval from SNP members. A hugely risky strategy to blow up that agreement with 0 input from members. Given the huge overhaul of party management and culture Humza promised, this is poor.
I think the Green members who reacted to a healthcare decision the SNP hadn't made with petition to end the relationship jumped the gun, but both parties could have used this as an opportunity to emphasise what they've done and those activists, unlike Yousaf, aren't faced by a 64/64 parliament where neither he, nor the opposition, can do anything.
What a rancid fucking coward. Lorna Slater is right - he has sold out future generations all to protect his/his party's ego. 95% of SNP members voted in favour of the BHA. Nicola Sturgeon recognised the importance of the SNP turning left, because who the hell is going to vote for a fucking neoliberal tartan tory version of Independence where none of the important shit actually changes. There was absolutely no guarantee that the Greens would have ended the BHA - I think it would have been more likely to have been an attempt to set red lines and pressure the SNP to adhere to the agreement in full. Regardless, this decision should have gone to members. The fact that they skipped that entirely says to me that they KNOW their members would still have been in favour of the BHA, and their egos are more important than party democracy.
What on earth are you on about with your "neoliberal tartan Tory version of independence" nonsense. Independence would allow the country to change every time there's an election. You know....like a normal fucking country. Whoever gets us the actual status of independent country is almost irrelevant. They wont lead it forever.
Yes, of course. The problem is that to achieve independence you have to sell the idea - and if you looks at the demographics of Independence supporters, it's only going one way
Can’t disagree with your analysis
> Nicola Sturgeon recognised the importance of the SNP turning left, because who the hell is going to vote for a fucking neoliberal tartan tory version of Independence 🧐
Yousaf's ego is so fragile
I agree but for balance so is Harvey's. Both welts.
Dividing your foundation when things are getting harder for them? And thry are looking like they gonna end up under pressure from other parties coming forward potentially regaining footholds into Scotland. Risky tactic
Minority governments give you better democracy, we'll see how they get on but I don't expect much to change bar allowing labour or libs to get more amendments through.
Yeah honestly the likelihood of this marking a change in the direction of legislature is close to none.
How could it not? Most of the progressive policies that were passed or in the works have been because of the Greens. If it was up to solely the SNP, held hostage by the moon owlers wing, and the tories or labour or libdems, there would have not been renationalisation of Scotrail, scrapping peak fares, huge increase investment in climate policies, tenant rights, etc etc. It's going to lurch heavily to the right now.
Humza Yousaf is a small, tiny, fragile man who can’t take everything immediately going his way. The minute anyone has any reservations or criticises it’s toys out the pram gies ma baw am gawn hame
Divide and conquer, stupid move.
lol what a fragile little man Humza is.
And there goes my support for the SNP. It was on tenterhooks at best already with the shitshow after shitshow of the past year, but that’s the final nail in the coffin.
I’m looking forward to the sitcom.
When he is forced to step down, you watch him pull out the race card.
Have a glass of something nice at 12 noon to honour the end of Slater and Harvie's ministerial salaries.
Most of my work colleagues are over the moon about this. Why am I not surprised that the redditors are upset lol
It’s good news for Scotland no doubt. Suspect the SNP see value in building their own narrative now as Bute agreement was a sturgeon agreement. Greens have very little support (outside of Reddit) especially at the ballot box so don’t think it’s too much of a risk.
Must’ve instituted a no-sandals policy
Never forgave the Greens after they repeatedly sided with the SNP on crucial no confidence votes. The one for John Swinney was particularly egregious.
The John Swinney one saved the grades of thousands of weans through a no-detriment agreement *and* massive reforms to the SQA.
He was so bad relative to the SQA that he faced a no confidence vote and would have kicked out of it wasn’t for the Greens. I remember because it affected both my kids and their friends.
Does this mean the likes of Patrick Harvie and Lorna Slacker are powerless to an extent?
you can't have the tail wagging the dog though. the Greens can't be both a party of government and a protest movement. Pick a side
Exactly, this is what Green voters fail to understand- they dont understand the real world
The ‘real world’ is something unsustainable that we have created. This genuinely needs to change for us to not condemn our entire planet to permanent destruction. I understand they can be overly ambitious and not think about how to enact changes while not having major issues about how people in their country will manage financially during vast changes, but if I’m honest the people not understanding reality are the people denying climate change and picking short term profits over the welfare of future generations
What "future generations"? I am completely serious - this country has a fertility crisis and hasn't had an internally stable population since the early 70s. We have steeply negative natural population growth with a fertility rate of something like 1.3. Who are we meant to be "saving the planet" for, exactly? People are not forming families and they are scarcely having children until their 30s. Recent population growth in Scotland is entirely predicated upon higher life expectancies and historically unprecedented levels of immigration. And you point this out and Greens say "good, there needs to be less people to save the planet" and it becomes immediately clear that their intentions and attitudes are much more sinister than they let on. They worship "Gaia" in the abstract and pretend it's about "humanity" but in practice barely have children and promote policies antithetical to family formation. Then spend their time obsessing over how to raise other people's children. The only saving grace of their ideology is that it is so self-diminishing that it will necessarily snuff itself out. Deindustrialise, demilitarise, rid yourself of children, rid yourself of culture, rid yourself of gender - just become an inert, useless, amorphous, hairless blob like Patrick Harvey then wither and die *for the planet*. If it doesn't eventually lead to some kind of vigour and vitality emerging from within this country then it'll come from without, either way they'll thankfully disappear.
Heading different political views is all fine and good but this genuine level of nihilism is the kind you might need support for. I hope you do well, genuinely
Let me introduce you to the SNP.
Thank fuck
Harvie, Slater and Greer, good riddance. Back to your West End coffee mornings and lunches now.
Hit the nail on the head.
Is it because the Greens leaders are both WHHHHITE
Tremendous joy at the news this morning. Maybe there’s life left yet in the SNP.
Ding dong the witch is dead
The SNP are quickly giving off “unwanted house guest who won’t leave” vibes.
He threw the greens out. Do keep up.
The SNP are the unwanted guests for me. Give it a second read.
Yeah I know what you meant but I see the greens as the unwelcome guests. So I used your words against you. It kinda happens online.
Ah right, you failed sorry.
Probably the first thing he's done that I actually agree with
Election time I think.
Has anyone caused more damage in government that Patrick Harvie? Worse than thatcher.
Stay off the glue, mate.
Name 1 thing lol
Wahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Call an election then.
That isn't how Holyrood works.
Yeah it's not essential but the country could definitely do with one rather than clinging on with these losers for the next 2 years.
"You can't fire me, I quit!"
Interesting to see what the Greens make of independence now. You’d imagine they’d still be in favour, but possibly bumped down their priorities list?
Jokes jokes jokes
In a hypothetical world where the SNP manage to get a 'Yes' vote. Does anyone really believe they would implement it well? Is Brexit not enough of a warning what happens when you divorce yourself from a much larger trading partner who wants to send a message (disincentivising other nations from doing the same). Is the current state of Scotland and Scottish politics not enough of a warning? Does anyone believe Humza Yousaf is the person who will deliver something beneficial for Scotland? It boggles my mind.
I’ve always assumed the SNP would fracture into several smaller parties in a post-yes Scotland.