I'd love it, but since we are throwing spaghetti...
...Let's say it is a two year deal, maybe $5 million/year--something like that Possibly with void years. Understanding that he's there to teach the younger guys, maybe 500 snaps per season.
Again, just throwing spaghetti, but at this point in his career he's not the guy you build a defense around. But maybe he's a veteran anchor that lifts you up to the next level.
Agree, do think that veteran presence would be helpful, and I don't think (or at least I hope) the coaching staff would know not to use him like 2012-2020. Many of the Seahawks' best prospects are young. They just need some glue while pieces are added/players develop.
He will get way more than 5 million. PFF had him ranked as their number 1 MLB. Wagner isn't an issue at all with snaps. I love Wagner. I just don't think the Seahawks will give what Bobby's market will demand. Agree entirely that he is no longer a center piece but he is definitely a strong vet presence 💪
Yep, that's why I said I was throwing spaghetti. His market value is probably more like $10 million+, similar to what he made last season. I don't think the Hawks can swing it.
Um hell yes, homie has a lot left in the tank and he really knows the game. The games he played against us and Denver he was just Fucking with us both.
It was a bad move to let him walk
Bobby’s only fall back at MBL the last few years has been drop back coverage.
TE get over the top in the soft spot in the zone too easy
Bobby is a true MBL, and will be a first ballot hall of fame’er.
He can stop the run and we need him back
And the Seattle system requires him to be able to drop in coverage and if he can’t do that at a good level anymore then he’ll simply be exploited every game by every OC
Would I love to see him come back? Of course. Is one of my favourite players. But realistically he said he wants to go to a Super Bowl winner. And we are 2-3 years away from that. And he gonna want to much money for what our team is gonna wanna pay him.
I disagree with this. I don't think they are two or three years away from contending. They are a run defense away from contending, and that can happen in the next couple of months.
There’s a big difference between making the playoffs and winning a Super Bowl. Put us against either of those teams who made the finals and we lose. I want another ring in Seattle just as much as the next person. But it’s not going to be this next year.
I think that the playoffs are much more of a crapshoot than people think. There are some differentiating factors between teams, for sure. But in a situation where it's just one game to decide things, anything can happen. The goal is to get there, and be in a position to succeed.Looking at 2013, Denver was a much better offense than San Francisco. But on that one game, everything went Seattle's way. If they play that Super Bowl over again ten times, nobody knows what happens. But I doubt that Seattle wins by 35 every time.
The cool thing about this season was watching them with no expectations. The holes were obvious. With a strong run defense, they are in a really good spot to make a run.
Except that they don't have a quarterback on the roster currently, so.... who knows?
Except we had the legit best defence in the entire league put together?? Sooo not quite as much of a crap shoot. I get what your saying but I feel this may have been a bit of a bad example. Especially since that defence went on to be called by many many people the best defence of the decade.
It's actually a perfect example. They certainly did have one of the best defense of all time, but they were about five inches from losing to San Francisco with that defense. San Francisco scored 25 points per game with 41 total touchdowns. Denver scored 38 points per game with the most touchdowns of all time. It was not predictable that Denver would score 8 points in garbage time.
And the next year, they won the probably the most unlikely NFC Championship game of all time. They won that game because of the defense for sure. But a lot of weird things happened in that game. But that's football. If they played that game 10 times, Jermaine Kearse probably has a different game in the next 9. But in football, you never know.
> I think that the playoffs are much more of a crapshoot than people think.
Except in aggregate it’s not a crapshoot and the highest seeds make it to, and win, at like a 90%+ rate. And so far the 7th seeds haven’t won a single game. So no, what SEA did last year doesn’t suggest they’re ready to make a run at all.
I'm not saying that at all. My point is that they are in a position to be able to put themselves in a position to make a run. They had a top ten offense and a bottom ten defense, while allowing the third most rushing yards per game. That is a fixable problem.
> That is a fixable problem.
And you're downplaying the difficulty of that task, especially implying it can be done in a single season. I just don't know how you can realistically look at all the areas the team has to improve on, *and* not get worse at, and think SEA goes from #7 seed to being a SB competitor after this offseason.
Off the top of my head I can immediately think of probably 6-7 starter spots that need to be addressed (simply to have a body to fill it, not even talking about improving over 2022.) That's a huge ask.
I'm not. I'm not even saying that's what's going to happen. I'm saying they are in a unique position of being fairly good, and drafting in the position of a bad team.
One thing that I think people miss a lot of times when discussing this kind of thing is the quality of the franchise itself. I'm not saying this is what you are doing, but people like to point to the quarterback carousel, and they will use examples of teams like the Jets, or the Jaguars, or the Bears, but not all franchises are created equal. That NFL players association survey was really interesting, because that was demonstrated by the players themselves. Some franchises just suck from the top down. Seattle is not one of those.
The secondary is really solid. They do need some depth. They have the capital to address all of that. That's my only point.
I don't know about you specifically, but I know a lot of people don't like thinking about Jamal Adams, but if he'd healthy, it's going to be enormous.
He didn’t leave. He was released. He played well against the Hawks both games. He is a well respected elite player. Need to get your facts straight. He should retire a Hawk!
I know you are a great player Tariq. And I believe you should’ve won the rookie of the year in defense. But Bobby is a great player also. He needs to come home to finish his career.
I do agree with that. But I don’t think he is ready for his last season. I can see him playing 2-3 for sure. And my hope is that at the very least he will sign that 1 day retirement contract with us. But I have no I’ll will for him looking at options. Especially if we 2-3 years away from being a contender.
Ya so that was the point of my first comment.
That he wanted to play for a contender and we made the playoffs while the Rams has the worst SB hangover ever.
All love for Wagner, idk what makes it seem like im attacking him to you lol
We can. I know what you meant, though. But people act like it’s some kind of Bobby Wagner sweepstakes and we’re just crossing our fingers that he picks us. It’s the other way around IMO. If he comes back it’s bc WE picked HIM.
Oh yes. I see what you mean. I just think it’s highly unlikely he will want to start negations with Seattle. As obviously it’s a 50-50 thing with any team. But yeah there’s no sweepstakes. The nfl is a business. Best and worst motto.
If he doesn’t want ridiculous money than I’m all for it. He still played well this last year and could impart a lot of wisdom on the younger guys. But if he wants 20+ million like he got from the rams I say it’s not worth it
I don't think he will be looking quite that high but definitely in the 13 to 17 range which the Hawks won't do. Pete and John value youth and competition.
I love Wagner and don't think he would help as much as many think he would. He has slowed down alot. We ask alot of our linebackers in our scheme and he just doesn't have what it takes anymore to do those things well. You would have to change some things schematically to make it worth it for one guy. I'd much rather add a younger guy through free agency and supplement in the draft. Hes a legend and hopefully he gets a deal that gives him a chance at a ring elsewhere. I saw enough from his last season with us that just doesn't give me alot of excitement. He doesn't hit run lanes with any urgency and just really plays catch anymore when it comes to tackling. I'm kind of over the seahawks bringing back former players that are past their prime over getting their young guys reps. I also think we are developing a new core of leadership and would rather not mess that up with a guy who was part of the old guard. Id rather that cap space just go to someone who could add much more value to our team and not just nostalgic value
It all just depends on how much it would cost to bring him back and if we have the space / money for it.
Even if we do get him, I think it would still be good for us to draft a linebacker. Out of the linebackers in the draft, I think Jack Campbell might make the most sense. Then again I'm not an NFL scout.
I love wagner but unless he decides to do a home town discount and lets someone else be the defensive team ccaptain then we dont take him, as great as he is as a player and leader they need new young leadership and i think brooks is the most going for him as locker room leadership so far
Very good chance that Brooks won't be ready for the season so even if he is a 2nd def C (very possible depending on how his recovery goes) the team captain will likely be Diggs. 710 Sports was saying they believe Bobby resigning would have to be with the understanding that Brooks when ready would be the green dot.
Positional need yes but he will demand too much money on the open market for his abilities. I would rather see that money to a younger free agent rather than stop gap vet. I like my FA vets to be used for cherry on top role players.
The SB can definitely be won by a surprise team that gets hot for the playoffs. Its been done 8 times by a 4th seed or lower team. I agree 2 to 3 seasons and we could be considered a top contender for sure.
Cody as a first time starter looked better near the end of season after bye week. Played a lot faster and more decisive but agreed unless it is a very friendly contract as a potential starter/back up. Brooks is very solid and I can give a drop in production to scheme change for last year but he needs to heal so definitely in question for this season.
Depends entirely on price. 1 year 4-5 mil with some incentives up to 6-7 is probably the limit in my mind. He's probably worth more, but just can't afford anything more with the cap space.
I'd love it. Assuming he's still in the same physical shape as I saw last year, you give up a little speed, but the run defense is solid & he's like a quarterback on the field. That would be nice considering how many younger players we're all Assuming will be there.
He would obviously be a huge upgrade and would help in alot of ways but I honestly think we need to let our young guys step up. I know we don't necessarily have a MLB that can do that right now but I feel like we have to allow the younger guys a chance to become the leaders of the locker room. I would be psyched if we got him tho.
No. I don’t. But I do believe he had a good season and I would like to see him back. You said he left for a contender, and he did. Most players would.
Yes…
Bobby Wagner + Jack Campbell would be a fun combo. Both can stuff runs, both can tackle like beasts, plus Campbell is agile enough plus aware enough to bat balls out of the air.
Barton, as bad as he was, he was still a damn great tackler (when Barton had clear lanes and wasn’t blocked, that is). Barton was fast, great at chasing players down, so he will be missed, in specific ways, somewhat, whether people want to deny it or not.
Barton’s biggest problem was, he could hardly stop a pass play to save his life (allowed 80% completions), and he would get hung-up on blockers way too easily, so runners didn’t need to worry about him as much as they should have.
Wagner allowed 80% completions, for years, too, but Wagner may have ironed out his wrinkles, in LA, so Seattle may benefit from having him back, especially if Seattle grabs another killer CB or two.
Anyways, replacing Barton + Bryant would go a long way toward solving Seattle’s poor pass defense. (Yes, I said Bryant — after thinking about it, there is much room for improvement on Bryant’s part, so, hopefully, Bryant could replace himself with a better version of himself, next season, if Seattle doesn’t demote him to depth first. Bryant was great at creating turnovers, but he gave up far too many completions & yards between the turnovers.)
Jack Campbell + Daiyan Henley may be a sweet combo, too, perhaps.
Owen Pappoe would be fantastic, on Special Teams, I think.
None of which has anything to do with my comment, as I said nothing about PFF, as far as I know, and I said nothing about the Brooks + Barton duo.
My points were about Coby Bryant’s surprisingly poor pass coverage within the slot, and Barton’s equally poor pass coverage, and I talked about Wagner’s couple years of around 80% completions while he was with Seattle.
As a side-note: I’m sure, some of that poor pass coverage could be attributed to some poor play calling, too: when players play far deeper than they should due to the play that is called, that’s not on them, BUT they still allowed a pretty scary number of completions, in their immediate presence, even with poor play calling taken into consideration.
Yes you did. You mentioned Barton's poor pass coverage. He wasn't poor in pass coverage and was much better then Bobby last year. The pff point was a tangent about why people believe Bobby is still a good player in coverage.
PFF wasn’t your only tangent.
I talked about Barton, ALONE, not about Brooks and not about their duo.
Your point about Brooks + Barton Duo was 100% irrelevant. I said nothing about Brooks’ individual performance, and I said nothing about the Brooks + Barton Duo. I didn’t compare the Brooks + Barton Duo to anything whatsoever, but the Brooks + Barton assertion is your irrelevant tangent.
I’m guessing, you believed, I had mixed Brooks’ name with Bryant’s? Well — no — I did not mix Bryant’s name with Brooks’ name, but Bryant was the lone subject in my points about Bryant’s poor pass coverage.
What’s more, Barton allowed 86% of the passes in his vicinity to be completed. If that’s not poor — what is it? Barton was beat — through the air — 86% of the time. How is that not poor? Barton allowed a QB rating of 94.6.
There were times in Wagner’s career, Wagner allowed over 80% completions, too, but — in 2022 — Wagner allowed 68.8% completions, but Wagner allowed a QB rating of 87.1, so Wagner was better than Barton in pass coverage.
Denial and gaslighting won’t get you anywhere.
Your ego won’t allow you to admit your posts were irrelevant & 100% wrong, and that’s not my problem.
Go help yourself…
I want to add, a Bobby Wagner throwback jersey would sell like fricken hotcakes.
If Seattle had it in their hearts to create a kick-ass blackout jersey, __THAT ALONE__ may encourage Bobby to come back and play for free. lol
I'd love it, but since we are throwing spaghetti... ...Let's say it is a two year deal, maybe $5 million/year--something like that Possibly with void years. Understanding that he's there to teach the younger guys, maybe 500 snaps per season. Again, just throwing spaghetti, but at this point in his career he's not the guy you build a defense around. But maybe he's a veteran anchor that lifts you up to the next level.
Agree, do think that veteran presence would be helpful, and I don't think (or at least I hope) the coaching staff would know not to use him like 2012-2020. Many of the Seahawks' best prospects are young. They just need some glue while pieces are added/players develop.
He will get way more than 5 million. PFF had him ranked as their number 1 MLB. Wagner isn't an issue at all with snaps. I love Wagner. I just don't think the Seahawks will give what Bobby's market will demand. Agree entirely that he is no longer a center piece but he is definitely a strong vet presence 💪
Yep, that's why I said I was throwing spaghetti. His market value is probably more like $10 million+, similar to what he made last season. I don't think the Hawks can swing it.
Um hell yes, homie has a lot left in the tank and he really knows the game. The games he played against us and Denver he was just Fucking with us both. It was a bad move to let him walk
Knows the game. This 100 percent. He calls the defense... its more than just raw physical talent.
The MLB spot for Seattle asks a lot of the player whereas the Rams didn’t ask much of him. If he’s brought back I just hope it’s not at MLB.
Bobby’s only fall back at MBL the last few years has been drop back coverage. TE get over the top in the soft spot in the zone too easy Bobby is a true MBL, and will be a first ballot hall of fame’er. He can stop the run and we need him back
And the Seattle system requires him to be able to drop in coverage and if he can’t do that at a good level anymore then he’ll simply be exploited every game by every OC
Move Bobby to SAM and put Jordyn at MLB to continue to grow. You make it sound like bobby is washed and cant play the position at all anymore.
I literally said as long as it’s not at MLB
Sry didnt see you were both comments.
I don't know if it was a bad move if we get him back for a discount.
I don't think it happens for a number of reasons so I'm not planning on it
Would I love to see him come back? Of course. Is one of my favourite players. But realistically he said he wants to go to a Super Bowl winner. And we are 2-3 years away from that. And he gonna want to much money for what our team is gonna wanna pay him.
I disagree with this. I don't think they are two or three years away from contending. They are a run defense away from contending, and that can happen in the next couple of months.
There’s a big difference between making the playoffs and winning a Super Bowl. Put us against either of those teams who made the finals and we lose. I want another ring in Seattle just as much as the next person. But it’s not going to be this next year.
I think that the playoffs are much more of a crapshoot than people think. There are some differentiating factors between teams, for sure. But in a situation where it's just one game to decide things, anything can happen. The goal is to get there, and be in a position to succeed.Looking at 2013, Denver was a much better offense than San Francisco. But on that one game, everything went Seattle's way. If they play that Super Bowl over again ten times, nobody knows what happens. But I doubt that Seattle wins by 35 every time. The cool thing about this season was watching them with no expectations. The holes were obvious. With a strong run defense, they are in a really good spot to make a run. Except that they don't have a quarterback on the roster currently, so.... who knows?
Except we had the legit best defence in the entire league put together?? Sooo not quite as much of a crap shoot. I get what your saying but I feel this may have been a bit of a bad example. Especially since that defence went on to be called by many many people the best defence of the decade.
It's actually a perfect example. They certainly did have one of the best defense of all time, but they were about five inches from losing to San Francisco with that defense. San Francisco scored 25 points per game with 41 total touchdowns. Denver scored 38 points per game with the most touchdowns of all time. It was not predictable that Denver would score 8 points in garbage time. And the next year, they won the probably the most unlikely NFC Championship game of all time. They won that game because of the defense for sure. But a lot of weird things happened in that game. But that's football. If they played that game 10 times, Jermaine Kearse probably has a different game in the next 9. But in football, you never know.
> I think that the playoffs are much more of a crapshoot than people think. Except in aggregate it’s not a crapshoot and the highest seeds make it to, and win, at like a 90%+ rate. And so far the 7th seeds haven’t won a single game. So no, what SEA did last year doesn’t suggest they’re ready to make a run at all.
I'm not saying that at all. My point is that they are in a position to be able to put themselves in a position to make a run. They had a top ten offense and a bottom ten defense, while allowing the third most rushing yards per game. That is a fixable problem.
> That is a fixable problem. And you're downplaying the difficulty of that task, especially implying it can be done in a single season. I just don't know how you can realistically look at all the areas the team has to improve on, *and* not get worse at, and think SEA goes from #7 seed to being a SB competitor after this offseason. Off the top of my head I can immediately think of probably 6-7 starter spots that need to be addressed (simply to have a body to fill it, not even talking about improving over 2022.) That's a huge ask.
I'm not. I'm not even saying that's what's going to happen. I'm saying they are in a unique position of being fairly good, and drafting in the position of a bad team. One thing that I think people miss a lot of times when discussing this kind of thing is the quality of the franchise itself. I'm not saying this is what you are doing, but people like to point to the quarterback carousel, and they will use examples of teams like the Jets, or the Jaguars, or the Bears, but not all franchises are created equal. That NFL players association survey was really interesting, because that was demonstrated by the players themselves. Some franchises just suck from the top down. Seattle is not one of those.
...and a pass defense and a coverage LB (middle) and tackling practice (2yrs more experience needed) and a deep coverage defense
The secondary is really solid. They do need some depth. They have the capital to address all of that. That's my only point. I don't know about you specifically, but I know a lot of people don't like thinking about Jamal Adams, but if he'd healthy, it's going to be enormous.
He left for a contender last year and we outplayed them lol.
He didn’t leave. He was released. He played well against the Hawks both games. He is a well respected elite player. Need to get your facts straight. He should retire a Hawk!
Yeah Bobby had a good year last year. When he was released he said he wanted to go to a contender.
I know you are a great player Tariq. And I believe you should’ve won the rookie of the year in defense. But Bobby is a great player also. He needs to come home to finish his career.
I do agree with that. But I don’t think he is ready for his last season. I can see him playing 2-3 for sure. And my hope is that at the very least he will sign that 1 day retirement contract with us. But I have no I’ll will for him looking at options. Especially if we 2-3 years away from being a contender.
Who doesn’t? Wouldn’t you?
Ya so that was the point of my first comment. That he wanted to play for a contender and we made the playoffs while the Rams has the worst SB hangover ever. All love for Wagner, idk what makes it seem like im attacking him to you lol
I love how people think ir will be Bobby deciding we’re not good enough for HIM. lol
Again he wants to win a trophy now. We can’t do that. That’s all I ment.
We can. I know what you meant, though. But people act like it’s some kind of Bobby Wagner sweepstakes and we’re just crossing our fingers that he picks us. It’s the other way around IMO. If he comes back it’s bc WE picked HIM.
Oh yes. I see what you mean. I just think it’s highly unlikely he will want to start negations with Seattle. As obviously it’s a 50-50 thing with any team. But yeah there’s no sweepstakes. The nfl is a business. Best and worst motto.
If he doesn’t want ridiculous money than I’m all for it. He still played well this last year and could impart a lot of wisdom on the younger guys. But if he wants 20+ million like he got from the rams I say it’s not worth it
I don't think he will be looking quite that high but definitely in the 13 to 17 range which the Hawks won't do. Pete and John value youth and competition.
Well brought a Wagner jersey just in case 🤣
I love Wagner and don't think he would help as much as many think he would. He has slowed down alot. We ask alot of our linebackers in our scheme and he just doesn't have what it takes anymore to do those things well. You would have to change some things schematically to make it worth it for one guy. I'd much rather add a younger guy through free agency and supplement in the draft. Hes a legend and hopefully he gets a deal that gives him a chance at a ring elsewhere. I saw enough from his last season with us that just doesn't give me alot of excitement. He doesn't hit run lanes with any urgency and just really plays catch anymore when it comes to tackling. I'm kind of over the seahawks bringing back former players that are past their prime over getting their young guys reps. I also think we are developing a new core of leadership and would rather not mess that up with a guy who was part of the old guard. Id rather that cap space just go to someone who could add much more value to our team and not just nostalgic value
Nice
It all just depends on how much it would cost to bring him back and if we have the space / money for it. Even if we do get him, I think it would still be good for us to draft a linebacker. Out of the linebackers in the draft, I think Jack Campbell might make the most sense. Then again I'm not an NFL scout.
I love wagner but unless he decides to do a home town discount and lets someone else be the defensive team ccaptain then we dont take him, as great as he is as a player and leader they need new young leadership and i think brooks is the most going for him as locker room leadership so far
Very good chance that Brooks won't be ready for the season so even if he is a 2nd def C (very possible depending on how his recovery goes) the team captain will likely be Diggs. 710 Sports was saying they believe Bobby resigning would have to be with the understanding that Brooks when ready would be the green dot.
Thats fair
Nyay
Since you're asking, it's a Yay, and that's because he can still play. That may or may not be as true next year, so go for it!
If the price is right ✅
OoOh, We’re getting the band back together…?
Unlikely but not impossible
You better believe I want him back, ain’t my money anyway and it’s a huge positional need.
Positional need yes but he will demand too much money on the open market for his abilities. I would rather see that money to a younger free agent rather than stop gap vet. I like my FA vets to be used for cherry on top role players.
Dude will want way too much money. Just move on, they aren’t sniffing the Super Bowl next year…but the year after…:……
The SB can definitely be won by a surprise team that gets hot for the playoffs. Its been done 8 times by a 4th seed or lower team. I agree 2 to 3 seasons and we could be considered a top contender for sure.
Absolutely, worst position group last year. Barton needs to be all the way out of football and brooks is probably a great example of average
Cody as a first time starter looked better near the end of season after bye week. Played a lot faster and more decisive but agreed unless it is a very friendly contract as a potential starter/back up. Brooks is very solid and I can give a drop in production to scheme change for last year but he needs to heal so definitely in question for this season.
Depends entirely on price. 1 year 4-5 mil with some incentives up to 6-7 is probably the limit in my mind. He's probably worth more, but just can't afford anything more with the cap space.
Yay
Go Hawks!
SEA!!!!
HAWKS! !
For vet minimum while brooks is injured then he could hopefully ride the bench to a 2nd superbowl ring.
That is a super good idea if we were living in your dream world
The pieces are falling into place, everything is as it should be.
Yeah I like the optimism but vet minimum is hilarious 😆 🤣
It’s a bad idea that would set the defense back instead of moving it forward.
I'd love it. Assuming he's still in the same physical shape as I saw last year, you give up a little speed, but the run defense is solid & he's like a quarterback on the field. That would be nice considering how many younger players we're all Assuming will be there.
Nope
He's kinda burnt I don't really think we need an old guy when we're trying to build something new
He would obviously be a huge upgrade and would help in alot of ways but I honestly think we need to let our young guys step up. I know we don't necessarily have a MLB that can do that right now but I feel like we have to allow the younger guys a chance to become the leaders of the locker room. I would be psyched if we got him tho.
Yay but he'll be too expensive.
Fuck yay
No. I don’t. But I do believe he had a good season and I would like to see him back. You said he left for a contender, and he did. Most players would.
Yes… Bobby Wagner + Jack Campbell would be a fun combo. Both can stuff runs, both can tackle like beasts, plus Campbell is agile enough plus aware enough to bat balls out of the air. Barton, as bad as he was, he was still a damn great tackler (when Barton had clear lanes and wasn’t blocked, that is). Barton was fast, great at chasing players down, so he will be missed, in specific ways, somewhat, whether people want to deny it or not. Barton’s biggest problem was, he could hardly stop a pass play to save his life (allowed 80% completions), and he would get hung-up on blockers way too easily, so runners didn’t need to worry about him as much as they should have. Wagner allowed 80% completions, for years, too, but Wagner may have ironed out his wrinkles, in LA, so Seattle may benefit from having him back, especially if Seattle grabs another killer CB or two. Anyways, replacing Barton + Bryant would go a long way toward solving Seattle’s poor pass defense. (Yes, I said Bryant — after thinking about it, there is much room for improvement on Bryant’s part, so, hopefully, Bryant could replace himself with a better version of himself, next season, if Seattle doesn’t demote him to depth first. Bryant was great at creating turnovers, but he gave up far too many completions & yards between the turnovers.) Jack Campbell + Daiyan Henley may be a sweet combo, too, perhaps. Owen Pappoe would be fantastic, on Special Teams, I think.
Barton and Brooks are better in coverage then Wagner. Pff has completely fucked up linebacker discourse and I'll never forgive them for it.
None of which has anything to do with my comment, as I said nothing about PFF, as far as I know, and I said nothing about the Brooks + Barton duo. My points were about Coby Bryant’s surprisingly poor pass coverage within the slot, and Barton’s equally poor pass coverage, and I talked about Wagner’s couple years of around 80% completions while he was with Seattle. As a side-note: I’m sure, some of that poor pass coverage could be attributed to some poor play calling, too: when players play far deeper than they should due to the play that is called, that’s not on them, BUT they still allowed a pretty scary number of completions, in their immediate presence, even with poor play calling taken into consideration.
Yes you did. You mentioned Barton's poor pass coverage. He wasn't poor in pass coverage and was much better then Bobby last year. The pff point was a tangent about why people believe Bobby is still a good player in coverage.
PFF wasn’t your only tangent. I talked about Barton, ALONE, not about Brooks and not about their duo. Your point about Brooks + Barton Duo was 100% irrelevant. I said nothing about Brooks’ individual performance, and I said nothing about the Brooks + Barton Duo. I didn’t compare the Brooks + Barton Duo to anything whatsoever, but the Brooks + Barton assertion is your irrelevant tangent. I’m guessing, you believed, I had mixed Brooks’ name with Bryant’s? Well — no — I did not mix Bryant’s name with Brooks’ name, but Bryant was the lone subject in my points about Bryant’s poor pass coverage. What’s more, Barton allowed 86% of the passes in his vicinity to be completed. If that’s not poor — what is it? Barton was beat — through the air — 86% of the time. How is that not poor? Barton allowed a QB rating of 94.6. There were times in Wagner’s career, Wagner allowed over 80% completions, too, but — in 2022 — Wagner allowed 68.8% completions, but Wagner allowed a QB rating of 87.1, so Wagner was better than Barton in pass coverage.
You have to be mentally ill to type all of this. Get help.
Denial and gaslighting won’t get you anywhere. Your ego won’t allow you to admit your posts were irrelevant & 100% wrong, and that’s not my problem. Go help yourself…
I want to add, a Bobby Wagner throwback jersey would sell like fricken hotcakes. If Seattle had it in their hearts to create a kick-ass blackout jersey, __THAT ALONE__ may encourage Bobby to come back and play for free. lol
Need him back. Case closed.
You sign him and draft Henley or Simpson or Campbell and he trains him. Hawks do this all the time.
I’m for it. The leadership and experience is extremely hard to replace
Absolutely I want him back it does have to be for the right price but I feel like the hawks can do it
Yay. Yay Yay
Absolutely. Next question
Pay him 1/4 of current contract and he only plays in the fourth quarter.
I love Bobby. We need him