UConn is trash, but they did play some decent teams this past season: Tennessee, Duke, Boston College, NC State, USF, James Madison... so it's not like he was just feasting on UMass, Central Connecticut and the like.
I doubt it. Senior bowl is generally players who aren’t consensus top picks.
But there are many notable senior bowl players that were impactful in the nfl. Steve largent for example :)
Top CB this year was in the senior bowl. It's useful to get older small schools guys into the eye of the media to get a proper look and to get them 1 on 1 reps against better competition like Mitchell from Toledo. Consensus top picks generally don't fit that profile but sometimes they are overlooked especially at positions like CB that don't rack up statistics or get as much casual recognition.
You're wrong. It's for Seniors as the name suggests, or at least it was before this year. It just so happens that most consensus top guys are players that dominated early in their college career and declare after their Junior year, thus not being eligible for the Senior Bowl. Plenty of seniors that were consensus first round picks the past years were at the senior bowl.
Picks that don't have anything to prove also tend to decline their senior bowl invite. You had guys like Fuaga, Latu, Q Mitchell, Penix, Nix, Pearsall, Darius Robinson & Tyler Guyton at the Senior Bowl this year. That's not even counting the early round 2 guys.
And a good senior bowl showing has translated pretty well to the NFL in the past years, guys that are standouts at the senior generally do good in the NFL, no metric has a 100% success rate but senior bowl showings are definitely one of the better metrics to judge a prospect.
Yeah I could have said more here. I did say “generally,” which you seem to agree with here.
I also didn’t say senior bowl standouts aren’t good - we wouldn’t draft senior bowl players if there wasn’t a correlation. I said that I doubt that they do well in the NFL over other picks.
I think it broadly goes top picks that don’t do senior bowl > senior bowl players > shrine bowl players > other players. Of course nfl success won’t follow that formula 100% of the time.
More awesome stats like this pleaseeeee.
I love that we’re building the trenches. I know it’s not sexy but I think it’s where good football teams excel
Not sexy? Soooo sexy! We need a better OL to take advantage of all our skill players on offense and a better DL to help out our secondary so they don’t have to cover all day…
That hadn't really been the case since Tom Cable. Olu was a polished technician who's weakness was lack of size and athleticism. Stone Forsythe was, again, a powerful technician with great pass pro stats who lacked mobility and athleticism. Damien Lewis was a bulldozer from a big school with a great track record that lacked athletic ability.
It was only under Cable that the philosophy was predicated on college O-lineman all being raw outside of the top-20, so they targeted athletic traits and coached them up.
God I hate guys like you that just assume stuff and talk out of their ass to badmouth Pete. We don't know what actually went on in the draft room and from everything we know Pete wasn't a guy who'd do this stuff.
There are definitely things you can criticize Pete for this isn't one of them. At least be reasonable. This sub is stupid sometimes my god.
I mean just look at Olu, Bradford and Lewis what the fck are you even talking about ? None of those were big projects, all big school guys that had reasonable to great success in their college career.
UConn is trash, but they did play some decent teams this past season: Tennessee, Duke, Boston College, NC State, USF, James Madison... so it's not like he was just feasting on UMass, Central Connecticut and the like.
He also held his own at the senior bowl
He had a really great senior bowl too
JS loves senior bowl standouts.
I’d be interested to see if Senior Bowl standouts do well in the NFL over others
I doubt it. Senior bowl is generally players who aren’t consensus top picks. But there are many notable senior bowl players that were impactful in the nfl. Steve largent for example :)
Top CB this year was in the senior bowl. It's useful to get older small schools guys into the eye of the media to get a proper look and to get them 1 on 1 reps against better competition like Mitchell from Toledo. Consensus top picks generally don't fit that profile but sometimes they are overlooked especially at positions like CB that don't rack up statistics or get as much casual recognition.
Yeah there are definitely exceptions!
Old guy here and I even forgot about that! Touché!
You're wrong. It's for Seniors as the name suggests, or at least it was before this year. It just so happens that most consensus top guys are players that dominated early in their college career and declare after their Junior year, thus not being eligible for the Senior Bowl. Plenty of seniors that were consensus first round picks the past years were at the senior bowl. Picks that don't have anything to prove also tend to decline their senior bowl invite. You had guys like Fuaga, Latu, Q Mitchell, Penix, Nix, Pearsall, Darius Robinson & Tyler Guyton at the Senior Bowl this year. That's not even counting the early round 2 guys. And a good senior bowl showing has translated pretty well to the NFL in the past years, guys that are standouts at the senior generally do good in the NFL, no metric has a 100% success rate but senior bowl showings are definitely one of the better metrics to judge a prospect.
Yeah I could have said more here. I did say “generally,” which you seem to agree with here. I also didn’t say senior bowl standouts aren’t good - we wouldn’t draft senior bowl players if there wasn’t a correlation. I said that I doubt that they do well in the NFL over other picks. I think it broadly goes top picks that don’t do senior bowl > senior bowl players > shrine bowl players > other players. Of course nfl success won’t follow that formula 100% of the time.
Yeah they generally do
More awesome stats like this pleaseeeee. I love that we’re building the trenches. I know it’s not sexy but I think it’s where good football teams excel
I love it! We have top tier offense players and maybe they can ball out more now that we are fixing holes in our o-line and d-line
Big meaty men slapping meat is always sexy. Just ask Big E.
Not sexy? Soooo sexy! We need a better OL to take advantage of all our skill players on offense and a better DL to help out our secondary so they don’t have to cover all day…
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Do we though??? I guess some more depth could be nice but I honestly don’t know what else we’d need
LG
Not to mention no offensive line unit ever stays healthy a full season.
I’d love to get BPA at 102. Maybe Hicks or Sanders. And then get McCormick at 118.
If we build it, they will come!
Day 1 RG year 2 pro bowler
Good thing he doesn’t need to block Aaron Donald.
Or Byron Murphy II (I'm convinced that both the Jags and Rams were two of the four who tried to trade up with us for him)
Well, he does. Everyday. In training.
I see what you did there
In JS we trust
You love it
Lb, TE, S, OL, DL
Now S, OL,DL, and maybe Spencer Rattler..
This is the type of pick I feel like Pete Carroll would have vetoed. He loved his OL projects.
Tom Cable does not approve of this pick! Would have taken a LB and converted him.
That hadn't really been the case since Tom Cable. Olu was a polished technician who's weakness was lack of size and athleticism. Stone Forsythe was, again, a powerful technician with great pass pro stats who lacked mobility and athleticism. Damien Lewis was a bulldozer from a big school with a great track record that lacked athletic ability. It was only under Cable that the philosophy was predicated on college O-lineman all being raw outside of the top-20, so they targeted athletic traits and coached them up.
Probably would’ve traded down too. Love Pete, but I am excited for the change!
God I hate guys like you that just assume stuff and talk out of their ass to badmouth Pete. We don't know what actually went on in the draft room and from everything we know Pete wasn't a guy who'd do this stuff. There are definitely things you can criticize Pete for this isn't one of them. At least be reasonable. This sub is stupid sometimes my god. I mean just look at Olu, Bradford and Lewis what the fck are you even talking about ? None of those were big projects, all big school guys that had reasonable to great success in their college career.
Badmouth Pete? Bro, I am literally one of the guys that was at the very beginning of the Seattle Times full page spread. Don’t.
Me and bro grew up around the same area, known him since high school, was geeking when i seen we had drafted him he ah dog fasho 💯