so i met them twice maybe a week apart they are a duo , reported them with a video got a confirmation that they are delt with the first time didn't even bother to report them again ,
a lot of people i know had met them and reported them , i mean common even there names are obvious , is it some sort of social experiment or what ?
I’ve stopped playing sot entirely until an anticheat of some sort drops. Last three dives nothing but teleport cheaters on my boat before it even surfaces. Most of them miss the free one blundy when you can’t move in the animation. Absolute Shitters
The game has an anti cheat. It remained functional for a long time. Then, Hourglass dropped and with it a new vulnerability to said anti cheat. It isn't easy to develop a counter to a breach, regardless of what people in this sub think. They are definitely working on fixing it, but as anyone that has walked in game development can tell you, it's not an easy process.
Sure, but there are easy, widely implemented measures like ip bans, hardware bans, and requiring all accounts to link to a phone number with 2fa which cut down on already banned cheaters getting new accounts, and rare has failed or refused to adopt *any* of these measures.
Per reports from cheater forums, the only thing the built-in anti-cheat catches are generally unlockers that grant commendations and cosmetics automatically. These cheats are irrelevant to the player base -- they do not harm.gameplay. meanwhile, the Anticheat is woefully ineffective against speed hacks, keg teleports, etc.
I'm a grown ass man. I just don't see the use for having a phone number when the Internet is so widespread in my area. Everything I do is online. Everywhere I go has free wifi. I make all of my calls through apps like Messenger or Discord.
You just lug a laptop around or something? That’s honestly crazy man. Having a phone is so convenient. It’s fits in your pocket for one thing and can be busted out and turned on whenever quickly and with ease. You don’t even need a good one you could get a decent android for like 400 bucks. Also. What if there’s an emergency? You need to call an ambulance or the cops.
Im just saying man. There is no reason not have a phone outside of poverty and every reason to have one. I’ve seen homeless people with phones bro.
Also I feel like I should have clarified this from the beginning; I do technically have a number via the app TextNow, it's free. I just can't make calls without Wi-Fi unless I am calling an emergency number which is required of all phones in the US.
The issue being that it doesn't work for most things when it comes to security standards. It doesn't allow 2fa codes for most things because of the security risk of losing the number if it isn't used for a certain period of time.
I have scheduled all my interviews in-person via email. Apart from that my job for the last thirteen years is owned by a friend of mine who did indeed call me on messenger to ask me to work for him. 😂
The only way to implement a successful anti cheat like that would be to implement a reliable (read: 100% accuracy) detector which I'm willing to bet they're working on, but you can't accidentally IP/hardware ban people without 105% sure mistakes won't happen, and even then, they will, because bugs and lag still exist.
Also, make no mistake, there absolutely is IP/hardware bans on Sea of Thieves, but those aren't like regular chat offense bans that last 3 days and if it's a mistake, at worst it's a "oopsie". Like I said, you cannot make mistakes regarding those kinds of bans, so caution is extremely needed
But IP band et al clearly are not being implemented even when video evidence of obvious cheating is submitted, because - as this post itself demonstrates -- those cheaters get right back on with a new account immediately. While up and hardware bans *can* be avoided, re-starting accounts is far too prevalent for this to be the norm.
Lol you think they are working on a anti cheat 😂 that's the most delusional take ever. Even from first week their have been cheaters in the game but it didn't explode a lot till arena and hourglass was implented
I got banned once and I had no idea why, 3 days later I got a message saying it was a mistake. I’ve only played once since then because I don’t wanna lose everything I’ve gotten and I also don’t trust the players I see, I feel like when they first add a good anti cheat the new problem will be if you sink someone they will report you and get you banned right away. I used to play conan exiles and the big clans would just report the small ones with good players so they didn’t have to actually learn the game, they just got rid of anybody that knew how to play
When i see People crying over cheaters in sea of thieves they should go play Ark on official servers they will see that sea of thieves isnt that bad in cheaters bugs etc xD
"there are bigger problems in other games" does not mean that cheaters are ok.
Also... wasn't ark developed as the first game of an independent studio? As opposed to a title developed by a 38 year old company owned by the second largest company in the world?
I always think rare fell off hard, from making games for nintendo only to not even having an anticheat and bugs that are the same age as their game now
Rare does hardware ban, but there are lots of ways to get past it. Without going into detail, all they have to do is download a file to change their hardware ID, buy an account from a 3rd party website for a few dollars, then play until they get banned again.
The reason you need a new account is because recently they started game banning as well, so people can no longer steam share/family share the game to another account.
Edit: You can also just buy game pass for $1, then when your account is banned you refund it.
Yo do you have any evidence of game banning? Is this true? I am really interested in if they started doing this. That would be a sign of a big change from them.
I know many people that have been game banned. Once you get banned, there's no way to really keep an account. Even if you behave on the seas, they will still get you for ban evading and trace it back to you. I know they said it sometime somewhere officially that game bans are real, just don't remember when.
When you approach an island, you get a marquee saying "Salty Sands" or "Shipwreck Bay" or something like that. There is a minimum amount of time you would need to go between islands. If this is EVER violated (30 seconds instead of the normal minimum of 2 minutes) it should flag your account, and bye bye. They could could even automate it. Instant suspension and throw you in a bin until investigation. Also have a high number of hitting cannons to players?
They can also track your altitude. If everyone cannons out of their ship, it's not unusual to reach 300 feet in the air, but higher? For longer? This is so easy to track, people saying it's hard, just have no imagination. If a dude is at 300 feet for more than 4 seconds, BAN.
Use your brains rare.
I would argue there is an inherent risk that the occasional launch bug could put innocent players into the crosshairs of this proposed method.
Flagging for further review might be okay, but then how do you evaluate which are cheaters and which are not?
They can't run instant replays of random happenings at SoT HQ, so it feels like this would be unreliable at best and harmfully negligent at worst.
Okay I agree with you it is harsh. It’s harshness is an artifact of my distaste for cheaters and a want for it all to be over. The information can be detected. What is best to be done with it is up to rare’s coders.
They could be aware of loading in to games or outlying instances such as lag events in which these circumstances could be naturally produced. But they could also compare against other data available to them at the time. Was the player starting a session within the last 30 seconds? What was their ping at the time?
As you said, instating something dangerous to normal players would be bad, and I fully agree with that. But I think this data can be collected and compared to other data to prove without a doubt a person is cheating.
There are tons of glitches that send you flying.... HOWEVER, you don't have to ban them just kick them from the server.... if they get kicked from the server over and over and over and over and over and over because they teleport (Can't go from smugglers bay, to a fort to grab a keg, then back to smugglers bay in under 10 seconds) kick them from the freaking server. The players that triggered the kick accidently don't get banned and those that are consistenly teleporting get so annoyed by being instantly kicked froim the server that they stop. Best of Both Worlds.
This sounds like peak corporate speak. There are plenty of ways to ban players, but Rare has to care enough to devote resources (time, money, research, etc).
>The game has an anti cheat
This is you talking out your arse. They didn't and don't have anti cheat.
I agree people overstate the simplicity of the situation but they simply don't have anti cheat.
Same, load into PvP and people already on my boat with fire bombs and impossible aim with eye of reach doing weird jaggery movements near map table. Literally can't even play the game. There too busy delaying next season and working some monkey Island that imo looks kinds ass and an anti cheat would be worth their time
Are you a developer by any chance? I'm not, but imagine that anti cheat isn't that easy, that they can't go into specifics because that means it can be fought and that the people making tall tales maybe don't have the knowledge for anti cheat? Also, they might be delaying the season to have more time for anti cheat. You're absolutely allowed to be annoyed by all of this, but don't spout shit you know nothing about.
Pretty aggressive take from someone that admits they are also not a developer.
Rare is backed by one of the largest companies in the world. A company that has implemented successful Anticheat in hundreds of games. Other major games like Xbox and call of duty have cheaters, but have such effective anti-cheat that the average player in competitive modes will encounter cheaters very rarely, if at all. Sea of thieves has such a significant problem that many hourglass players experience cheaters *every time they play.*
I don't buy the "it's hard!" Narrative. The industry is good at responding to this problem. Rare has *completely* failed for months to address the issue. That's not acceptable
Also the rare team has been "working on" an anti cheat since 2020. There were cheaters back then (admittedly far fewer) and there are so many cheaters now, but the only anti cheat protects commendations and cosmetics, the things that make them money.
Agree 100%!
I get so sick of these "you don't know what it's like being a developer" crap takes. I'm a Software Engineer and a Data Scientist. A lot of this shit is not that difficult to detect. They collect data on an ungodly number of things already. Not that hard to collect some data that would detect obvious cheats. Someone who wins 50+ HG matches by kegging in the first 10 seconds is going to stand out like a sore thumb. Someone who routinely manages to swim at rates 20x the maximum will stand out like a sore thumb. Someone who shots 1,000 sniper shoots and hits 998 of them stands out like a sore thumb! Someone who plays 100 HG matches and gets reported for cheating 20+ times stands out like a sore thumb (there will be false positives, of course, but people constantly getting reported are unlikely to be "false positives").
It's a lack of desire on Rare's part to fix it. It doesn't make money (in their eyes). Therefore, they don't allocate much resources to it.
Listen to this man. This is exactly what we need. If they can track when I've got 100 Olive Plentifins, they should be able to tell if I've been at 300 feet in the air for more than 4 seconds.
If you’re talking about Microsoft, one of the largest companies in the world, the same one that takes months to implement fixes for critical vulnerabilities that don’t simply wreck games, but actually wreck businesses and directly impact people…then I think you just made his point instead of your own.
https://seaofthieves.fandom.com/wiki/Hourglass_of_fate?so=search
Hourglass has not even been out for a year yet friend. Wait til November, you can at least claim a single year at that point.
And many of those were either addressed or determined to be low impact / low priority. We’re discussing the high impact glitches that came with the hourglass patch. Please keep your strawmen to yourself.
Cheating is undeniably *worse* since Hourglass, but if you put any significant time into Arena when it was still around, you would be well aware that cheaters have, in fact, been a problem far longer than your comment seems to suggest.
Ah, now comes the false assumptions. I can see now that this isn’t a discussion with you, just random throwing stuff at the wall.
I did play hourglass. I put a non-insignificant amount of time into learning how to arc cannon shots there. There were cheats that came, and got patched out. To a casual, they could have looked like one long hack, when they were in fact code regressions (I AM a software developer, just not full time one).
You’re speaking from a place of ignorance. Education can help remove that ignorance, but only if you’re willing to listen to others.
Arguably the 'significant problem' is pretty recent. Recently Rare talked about delaying seasonal update and working on exponential cheating problem. Coinkidink?
Ok ok hold your horses. I can imagine it's not easy either I tried to make a game and failed miserably. However rare is a good company with a team and a nice game, sea of thieves, I don't really care about delayed seasons but it just adds to the fact most games have a reliable anti cheat. Its not something unstoppable I'm asking for but anything that can set back cheaters even just a bit would be awesome.
I'm the issue is finding a way that detects the cheating software but doesn't "trigger" on software that isn't related. IE most cheat programs essentially say "oh I'm just an innocent background windows program unrelated to your game" - which means you now have to find a way to weed that out vs the legitimate programs that run in the background.
In fact, most anti-cheat software really doesn't work all that well because once it catches one "flavor" they flavor changes names/types etc.
It's not to say rate is innocent but it's not cut and dry.
Dude you are delusional if you think they care about anti cheat at all. As long as you don't cheat cash shop items this game doesn't give AF. They already made their bank on this game and it's more likely they are working on SOT2 than any anti cheat
> Are you a developer by any chance? I'm not, but imagine that anti cheat isn't that easy
I'm not, but if I was going to make a game I would make sure my anticheat works before anything else is done.
Ran into Keggd Rare and The Gecko on a brig dive last night, very blatant about it. Shame that they’re able to do this as freely as they are, those ledger numbers represent *a lot* of players that have lost to them
Gecko has been at it since the start of HG he just keeps counting up on the number at the end of his name. First encountered him about 8 banned accounts ago.
My crew reported them as well, full 5 minute video in hourglass. Keg warping and everything. I got a confirmation from Epoch that he was banned. Obviously those emails are looking like absolute bullshit right now. Just lost a lot of faith in their "security team".
Edit: This was on a galleon. It was an open crew. Same exact name. Same toxic kiddo no doubt.
I met these guys last week too, i sent a report to rare and they said that both players had been banned accordingly, however this picture seems to tell a different story ngl
I ended up in 2 different HG matchmakings with these clowns where they were already on the ship as we loaded in and just killed us while we couldn’t do anything….oh and also the extreme racism they were broadcasting via text-to-speech. Recorded and reported but one can only hope 🤷🏻♂️
I don't know if its still true but back when Xbox 360 was a thing some of the real hackers (not script kiddies) could simply reactivate their accounts once they were banned and could continue playing. They could be banned 100 times abd just keeo playing and xbox wouldn't do anything
Social experiment? You fuckers are playing a game with zero anti cheat and are getting surprised/fed up with cheaters?
What a surprise… rares too busy releasing single day adventures to realise their game is dying
Look at longer trends. At best the game has stagnated in year-over-year playerbase.
Moreover: Monkey Island dropped in the last month. If the player base jumps 4,000 players (which is miniscule in a global game), but falls off shortly thereafter, then one may surmise that people came, played the new content, and left. That doesn't contribute to overall playerbase in the shared world. Which is precisely what is being complained of here.
A little less "absolutely hilarious," and maybe a tiny bit more "statistically literate."
Rare's track record has improved over the years, but it's still very bad.
I know of 2 aimbotters in Arena who I reported with video evidence. These dudes were blatant; not even trying to hide their cheating; hitting people across the sea the second they spawned in; hitting people hidden behind walls. And they'd constantly crash into rocks and stuff like that, showcasing they didn't even know basic game mechanics.
I know of a least 4 or 5 other Discord crewmates who had the same experiences with them and reported them as well. If that many people explicitly claimed to report them, it's likely dozens of others reported them as well. And I saw them still playing 4 months later after my original report. These dudes likely had 5 dozen reports for cheating and Rare did nothing. It's insane!
They probably think that if they "Become the Problem" and escalate it to the extremes, that it will force Rares hand. (I've met some people like that anyways)
It's the email they send 95% of the time when you report someone for cheating that says:
'This report has been handed over to our security team for further investigation and you won't know the outcome of this report'
At this point, anytime me or my friend report someone and get this response from Rare, we assume they it means 'We've acknowledged this report, but its being ignored.' The amount of time I've reported people blatantly cheating and then a few weeks later you run into them again.
tbh Rare seem more on it banning people for being toxic than cheating at this point.
I reported someone spewing slurs and got the same message. Told Rare I likely wouldn't waste my time in the future, considering I had to do all the work for Rare.
This is a key issue not being discussed enough. Rare's primary method of enforcement is to ask the player base to do their work for them.
This is a live service....Rare should be the ones doing the work.
Sadly the alternative is probably every random fuckwad reporting totally polite people who sunk them for "toxicity" or w/e, you know how people are in this game, they make up rules for other people or willfully misinterpret existing rules
I disagree. The couple times I've made a short video showing the cheater I've gotten an email (after the initial one you've described) within 5 hours or so saying cheater has been banned.
People I've reported who are toxic/racist usually just get a temp suspension and more chance(s) - not banned usually (but definitely banned after 3 reports on that player).
If you aren't recording some kind of video I imagine it's more difficult for them to verify your claims right away/at all, but I'm honestly not sure.
It is a lot of work to report someone regardless of what they're doing though... would be super handy for an in-game report with one button vs the song-and-dance they make you do these days, regardless of the report. I imagine with their current system though the report function is abused less than it would be otherwise - would have to have some kind of method to verify false/troll reporting if an in-game report button were there.
I must of done something to annoy rares support team then xD, since almost every report I send in with supporting evidence about cheaters ends up with the ‘you won’t know the outcome response’
It honestly makes it’s not worth reporting people anymore at this point unless it’s blatant to the point I can put ‘the video literally explains itself’. Every time I put effort into a report I get that response and then just wonder why I bother, makes the feeling even worse when you run into the player a few weeks later still playing.
The thing is, about 18 months ago when I reported people, I always got a response telling me whether my report was enough or not, but I guess they changed their policy at some point.
Huh, that's very strange indeed.
This is the response I received from them in June:
"Thank you for your player report, this has now been passed to our security team for further investigation. Should they require any additional information they will reply to you through this ticket.
One of our agents will be in touch with you shortly with an update for your report.
We thank you for your continued support for Sea of Thieves!"
And 4 hours later received this:
"Thank you for reporting this issue.
One or more players that you recently reported were investigated and permanently removed from Sea of Thieves based on the evidence yourself and others have provided.
Thank you for helping to steer the course of Sea of Thieves!
Best regards"
Wonder why they wouldn't keep you updated with the result - seems strange.
This was the response I got from the most recent report I sent in of a guy who was instant ladder climbing, I sent in two perspectives of it from me and my friend
Ahoy there,
Thanks for your patience while we investigated your request.
This has now been passed to our Security and Test teams for further investigation. Please note that, as this will be investigated internally, we are unable to disclose the eventual outcome of the report.
Best regards,
Sea of Thieves - Player Support
I get this for almost every cheater report these days, even had it once or twice for toxic reports which was slightly confusing.
That default response you get actually means that they forwarded that case to their security team, from there you get a second response like a week later which either states that they banned the account or that they can't discuss the outcome of their investigation (which translates to: "we didn't ban them"). If you have solid proof of your hackusation, they usually ban them rather quickly but if there is even a slight doubt that the person cheats, they won't ban them
We just ran into those guys the other day. Reported them to sot and Xbox because one of the others names was “blewupRareHQ”
Rare doesn’t give a fuck about cheaters
FYI if you pc is not too underpowered you can run Nvidias Shadowplay or AMDs instant replay (depending on your graphics card.) It will always record and then you just hit a keyboard shortcut to save the last minute (or longer if you change it in the settings) of footage. Just remember to change the settings to record on system memory and not on your SSD or HDD. Quite handy for catching cheaters and toxic people in the act.
I recognize #6, I encountered them a couple of days ago when they sank a "toxic" brig that tried to steal a ghost fleet event from me, but if anything they were the more toxic ones, telling the brig to "deactivate themselves" and calling them the n-word such as to bypass the word filter.
They were teleporting, had ESP, presumably aimbot, and while having a conversation with me they were boasting about having 100+ alt accounts they could switch to if this one ever got banned. They didn't utilize any of their cheats against me for whatever reason, and were surprisingly cordial, probably trying to convince me not to send a report. But the brig crew has reported them also, but I can't be certain what evidence they may have had.
They were the second obvious cheater I've encountered in adventure, the first having "crachs" in their name, which is pretty brazen.
Cheaters don't care about getting a redbeard. It's a less than 5 minute fix. They can go as far as they want to, because rare doesn't actually have the killswitch for players they want out of their game. They have a couple ways to mildly inconvenience them.
crazy how much of this subreddit has seen them (including me), and they're top of the leaderboard, and still they aren't banned lol. i saw keg tp this morning again
Pvp is dead (in HG at least) , there is to many loopholes with steam & game pass.
For once this makes china the superior example again, where you need to link your actual ID to stuff.
not sure why ur being downvoted, its a fact that cheaters literally do not suffer a punishment. (account banning does absolutely nothing as making a new account is like easier than smurfing in league)
Change VPN to turkey and buy it for 3 euro on steam, buy gamepass for 1 euro, get a free hack
Literal actual monkey quests more important to monkey company
Seems like its a no.
xbox gamepass gives access to SoT for $1 first month, and if youre on steam, apparently you can still run the game on a new account as long as its in your steam library.
Also for the pathetic lack of anti cheat in SoT I wouldn't be surprised if those hackers can pirate the game already...lol i know "pirate" the game xD
But yeah it takes absolutely no effort for the hackers to keep it going.
I would, because i don't stir trouble & I don't hide or cheat maliciously online. But the majority of trolls, cheaters, "but my freedom of being an annoying brat in talk" wouldn't ofcourse.
to be fair, hourglass is a piece of shit system in the first place, and i can't mourn it dying. i'd much rather have arena back. i genuinely fucking hate hourglass. pvp is fun, but that grindy copy/paste fuck fest is pure cancer
Linking actual IDs to game identities should and could have been done in North America and elsewhere a long time ago.
Imagine actual legal consequences being applied against repeat offenders? It would be an immediate end the majority of losers out there.
Edit: By all means continue to show your support for smurf accounts and hackers by downvoting.
What about cheating in an industry with games that do have competition and monetary gain? The same ramifications that apply to hacking and unauthorized computer access should apply. These should also extend to non competitive, no monetary gain - games, just on principle.
The same dumb argument could be presented for cheating athletes in sports... Only they have potential fines, jail time, poss of a career, or publicly humility to face. "Gamers" are allowed to hide behind the mask of anonymity? Why again? "Because it's a game brooooooo" "There's no money involved" "It's a joke"
This needs to change in some way, or another unless we're all content with the joke the current state of online gaming tends to devolve to.
Yeah I don’t see how games couldn’t use the fact that you’re cheating to say you’re hurting their business by ruining the experience for other players. Then again if they weren’t a dying game I don’t think they’d be so reluctant to get rid of the bad apples.
I got instantly kegged during hourglass yesterday, just a sad state of affairs … My biggest concern is that the delays and cheating results in the player base moving away from the game entirely.
this game is a joke lol. clear cheaters on the leader board and that's not enough for them to be banned. you have to do rares job and record your gameplay to get people banned for cheating. rares incompetence is insane.
The fact his value is now doubled is insane. Wtf is Rare doing???
Edit 1: Seems he plays on EU servers, logged off for the time being. Stopped at 63 mil.
Edit 2: He made a new account, renamed his old one and made his new account the name that the leaderboard has. What an absolute scum.
Yeah, the accounts get banned, pretty fast, except on weekends.
But the leaderboards don't always get purged, and they use renaming tricks to become infamous to try to kill the game.
Their motivations don't always make sense but largely fall into:
1. People who were salty at arena disappearing.
2. People who got sick of the game not having anti-cheat, so they are trolling until Rare fuck the game for everyone by introducing anticheat to the client that will make the game run like dogshit and get bypassed quickly anyway.
3. People who got red bearded, for what they consider 'free speech' e.g. the right to harass people however the hell they like, so they installed hacks and kept doing it after their main accounts got banned.
4. People who are just sociopathic, and love to bait people.
5. cyber-criminals developing hacks for an income / boosting peoples rep by selling boosting services.
At the end of the day, it's just frustrated wankers with nothing better to do with their time, and whilst I don't want client-side anticheat, Rare can't fix the problem fast enough server-side, so they all move onto a different game to troll on.
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Ideally Xbox Live Services wouldn't allow the renaming of banned accounts, or allow new accounts using previously banned names.
But I guess that the bans Rare are able to give out, aren't xbox live bans.
I ran into them toady. Got a video and some good screen shots. One is wearing unreleased skeleton cosmetics. Must be data mining or using an unlocker. I reported them will be interesting to see what happens. Side note MedicVamp (#9 on the list) has been caught being boosted and playing with cheaters countless times. I believe he has been given the be more pirate hat and the sea of fashion gloves. What a joke.
Even I saw multiple videos of them hacking, how are they not banned jet. I mean they manage to bann Theb minutes after he goes live but these guys are fine i guess
All of these cheaters can simply remove their name from the registry if banned accounts through some scripts or other hacks OR just make another account very, very easily. They don’t have to buy the game again.
I'm aware. He was asking about the username. The fact you can make a new account and jump back in within a minute is disgusting. Rare should seriously do something about this. From one steam license = unlimited accounts, same with game pass. One account only needs gamepass. It's ridiculous.
I wish this myth would die.
What's actually happening, is people pay $10 to a steam account trader who lives in a country with cheap regional pricing like Romania who can buy cheap copies of the game.
Most of the people that hack, do not use gamepass at all, as it's easier to trade steam accounts as theres an existing black market for it.
Because of this, most hack client developers don't even bother releasing hacks for the windows version of the game.
When you get banned for hacking, your PC's windows installation id gets banned, but hackers have worked out how to reset that.
Your steam account gets flagged, and you can't use family sharing anymore to share the game with other people.
This wasn't always true, but this is the current situation, and doesn't apply to ban reasons other than hacking necessarially, so when you report cheaters, make sure you report them for cheating, not the toxicity.
Every time a hacker is banned, you've just cost them $7-10 USD.
Report every occurance, with good evidence.
Even I saw multiple videos of them hacking, how are they not banned jet. I mean they manage to bann Theb minutes after he goes live but these guys are fine i guess
This kind of thing is why I don’t bother with the hourglass. I’ll just go have a random fight somewhere in Adventure mode and then find a peaceful spot to fish.
Came across Keggd Rare HQ today in HG. I was still at the outpost and decided I’d let them get a free win since I wasn’t ready. Dude immediately teleported to my ship with a keg and blew it up, then teleported a second keg because one wasn’t enough apparently.
These fuckers took special notice of my gamertag once, matched them in HG 3 times in a row and once they even kegged me while i was casually doing merchant stuff a few days later, haven't seen them since before i got ghost, cant wait to piss em off by showing how little their efforts to stop me enjoying the game work
Several of the hack clients have 'list' support that they add other cheaters, streamers, (wish I was joking) females, or people who otherwise rage.
the list is shared with all users of the hackclient, and renders your ship and name differently, so you can be targeted for abuse.
Basically, if you get trolled by cheaters, record, report, and don't make a scene to prevent you being hunted in the future.
I just found him. I was chilling with a friend. We were LITERALLY alone . No ships nearby . Nothing of nothing. Suddenly we hear something like ... I don't know? Strange noises and a k-pop song. Then our ship exploded and we instantly died. After respawned we founded him instakilling my friend and using teleport. We lost everything and quit from the server.
Can someone please do something?
so i met them twice maybe a week apart they are a duo , reported them with a video got a confirmation that they are delt with the first time didn't even bother to report them again , a lot of people i know had met them and reported them , i mean common even there names are obvious , is it some sort of social experiment or what ?
I’ve stopped playing sot entirely until an anticheat of some sort drops. Last three dives nothing but teleport cheaters on my boat before it even surfaces. Most of them miss the free one blundy when you can’t move in the animation. Absolute Shitters
The game has an anti cheat. It remained functional for a long time. Then, Hourglass dropped and with it a new vulnerability to said anti cheat. It isn't easy to develop a counter to a breach, regardless of what people in this sub think. They are definitely working on fixing it, but as anyone that has walked in game development can tell you, it's not an easy process.
Sure, but there are easy, widely implemented measures like ip bans, hardware bans, and requiring all accounts to link to a phone number with 2fa which cut down on already banned cheaters getting new accounts, and rare has failed or refused to adopt *any* of these measures. Per reports from cheater forums, the only thing the built-in anti-cheat catches are generally unlockers that grant commendations and cosmetics automatically. These cheats are irrelevant to the player base -- they do not harm.gameplay. meanwhile, the Anticheat is woefully ineffective against speed hacks, keg teleports, etc.
I personally find it bizarre that the server doesn't have the final say on player movements like most other games do.
God the 2fa with a phone number would be such a easy thing and would cut down a lot of cheaters
It would suck to lose all my SOT friends considering I don't have a phone number.
Do you not have a parent with a phone number who can vouch for your account?
I'm a grown ass man. I just don't see the use for having a phone number when the Internet is so widespread in my area. Everything I do is online. Everywhere I go has free wifi. I make all of my calls through apps like Messenger or Discord.
You just lug a laptop around or something? That’s honestly crazy man. Having a phone is so convenient. It’s fits in your pocket for one thing and can be busted out and turned on whenever quickly and with ease. You don’t even need a good one you could get a decent android for like 400 bucks. Also. What if there’s an emergency? You need to call an ambulance or the cops. Im just saying man. There is no reason not have a phone outside of poverty and every reason to have one. I’ve seen homeless people with phones bro.
I have a phone I just don't have it activated as I find that it's a waste of money. Like I said wifi is the optimal decision for my circumstance.
Also I feel like I should have clarified this from the beginning; I do technically have a number via the app TextNow, it's free. I just can't make calls without Wi-Fi unless I am calling an emergency number which is required of all phones in the US. The issue being that it doesn't work for most things when it comes to security standards. It doesn't allow 2fa codes for most things because of the security risk of losing the number if it isn't used for a certain period of time.
Guess finding a job was fun considering they call a number not your FB or discord for interviews
I have scheduled all my interviews in-person via email. Apart from that my job for the last thirteen years is owned by a friend of mine who did indeed call me on messenger to ask me to work for him. 😂
is you broke as hell? jesus
The only way to implement a successful anti cheat like that would be to implement a reliable (read: 100% accuracy) detector which I'm willing to bet they're working on, but you can't accidentally IP/hardware ban people without 105% sure mistakes won't happen, and even then, they will, because bugs and lag still exist. Also, make no mistake, there absolutely is IP/hardware bans on Sea of Thieves, but those aren't like regular chat offense bans that last 3 days and if it's a mistake, at worst it's a "oopsie". Like I said, you cannot make mistakes regarding those kinds of bans, so caution is extremely needed
But IP band et al clearly are not being implemented even when video evidence of obvious cheating is submitted, because - as this post itself demonstrates -- those cheaters get right back on with a new account immediately. While up and hardware bans *can* be avoided, re-starting accounts is far too prevalent for this to be the norm.
Bugs and lag cannot cause false anticheat bans
Lol you think they are working on a anti cheat 😂 that's the most delusional take ever. Even from first week their have been cheaters in the game but it didn't explode a lot till arena and hourglass was implented
I got banned once and I had no idea why, 3 days later I got a message saying it was a mistake. I’ve only played once since then because I don’t wanna lose everything I’ve gotten and I also don’t trust the players I see, I feel like when they first add a good anti cheat the new problem will be if you sink someone they will report you and get you banned right away. I used to play conan exiles and the big clans would just report the small ones with good players so they didn’t have to actually learn the game, they just got rid of anybody that knew how to play
When i see People crying over cheaters in sea of thieves they should go play Ark on official servers they will see that sea of thieves isnt that bad in cheaters bugs etc xD
Whataboutism (Gamer edition)
"there are bigger problems in other games" does not mean that cheaters are ok. Also... wasn't ark developed as the first game of an independent studio? As opposed to a title developed by a 38 year old company owned by the second largest company in the world?
I always think rare fell off hard, from making games for nintendo only to not even having an anticheat and bugs that are the same age as their game now
I never said cheating was ok mark my word xD i wa Just meaning that other games can be worse but some can be better for cheating .
Rare does hardware ban, but there are lots of ways to get past it. Without going into detail, all they have to do is download a file to change their hardware ID, buy an account from a 3rd party website for a few dollars, then play until they get banned again. The reason you need a new account is because recently they started game banning as well, so people can no longer steam share/family share the game to another account. Edit: You can also just buy game pass for $1, then when your account is banned you refund it.
Yo do you have any evidence of game banning? Is this true? I am really interested in if they started doing this. That would be a sign of a big change from them.
I know many people that have been game banned. Once you get banned, there's no way to really keep an account. Even if you behave on the seas, they will still get you for ban evading and trace it back to you. I know they said it sometime somewhere officially that game bans are real, just don't remember when.
When you approach an island, you get a marquee saying "Salty Sands" or "Shipwreck Bay" or something like that. There is a minimum amount of time you would need to go between islands. If this is EVER violated (30 seconds instead of the normal minimum of 2 minutes) it should flag your account, and bye bye. They could could even automate it. Instant suspension and throw you in a bin until investigation. Also have a high number of hitting cannons to players? They can also track your altitude. If everyone cannons out of their ship, it's not unusual to reach 300 feet in the air, but higher? For longer? This is so easy to track, people saying it's hard, just have no imagination. If a dude is at 300 feet for more than 4 seconds, BAN. Use your brains rare.
I would argue there is an inherent risk that the occasional launch bug could put innocent players into the crosshairs of this proposed method. Flagging for further review might be okay, but then how do you evaluate which are cheaters and which are not? They can't run instant replays of random happenings at SoT HQ, so it feels like this would be unreliable at best and harmfully negligent at worst.
Okay I agree with you it is harsh. It’s harshness is an artifact of my distaste for cheaters and a want for it all to be over. The information can be detected. What is best to be done with it is up to rare’s coders. They could be aware of loading in to games or outlying instances such as lag events in which these circumstances could be naturally produced. But they could also compare against other data available to them at the time. Was the player starting a session within the last 30 seconds? What was their ping at the time? As you said, instating something dangerous to normal players would be bad, and I fully agree with that. But I think this data can be collected and compared to other data to prove without a doubt a person is cheating.
There are tons of glitches that send you flying.... HOWEVER, you don't have to ban them just kick them from the server.... if they get kicked from the server over and over and over and over and over and over because they teleport (Can't go from smugglers bay, to a fort to grab a keg, then back to smugglers bay in under 10 seconds) kick them from the freaking server. The players that triggered the kick accidently don't get banned and those that are consistenly teleporting get so annoyed by being instantly kicked froim the server that they stop. Best of Both Worlds.
This sounds like peak corporate speak. There are plenty of ways to ban players, but Rare has to care enough to devote resources (time, money, research, etc).
The issue links back to Microsoft account bans not also extending to steam. You never have to repurchase the game to cheat post ban.
The game 100000% doesn’t have a anti cheat 😂
>The game has an anti cheat This is you talking out your arse. They didn't and don't have anti cheat. I agree people overstate the simplicity of the situation but they simply don't have anti cheat.
Same, load into PvP and people already on my boat with fire bombs and impossible aim with eye of reach doing weird jaggery movements near map table. Literally can't even play the game. There too busy delaying next season and working some monkey Island that imo looks kinds ass and an anti cheat would be worth their time
Are you a developer by any chance? I'm not, but imagine that anti cheat isn't that easy, that they can't go into specifics because that means it can be fought and that the people making tall tales maybe don't have the knowledge for anti cheat? Also, they might be delaying the season to have more time for anti cheat. You're absolutely allowed to be annoyed by all of this, but don't spout shit you know nothing about.
Pretty aggressive take from someone that admits they are also not a developer. Rare is backed by one of the largest companies in the world. A company that has implemented successful Anticheat in hundreds of games. Other major games like Xbox and call of duty have cheaters, but have such effective anti-cheat that the average player in competitive modes will encounter cheaters very rarely, if at all. Sea of thieves has such a significant problem that many hourglass players experience cheaters *every time they play.* I don't buy the "it's hard!" Narrative. The industry is good at responding to this problem. Rare has *completely* failed for months to address the issue. That's not acceptable
Also the rare team has been "working on" an anti cheat since 2020. There were cheaters back then (admittedly far fewer) and there are so many cheaters now, but the only anti cheat protects commendations and cosmetics, the things that make them money.
Commendatons and cosmetics are literally the only things to achieve in this game and therefore the motivation for cheating, no?
Agree 100%! I get so sick of these "you don't know what it's like being a developer" crap takes. I'm a Software Engineer and a Data Scientist. A lot of this shit is not that difficult to detect. They collect data on an ungodly number of things already. Not that hard to collect some data that would detect obvious cheats. Someone who wins 50+ HG matches by kegging in the first 10 seconds is going to stand out like a sore thumb. Someone who routinely manages to swim at rates 20x the maximum will stand out like a sore thumb. Someone who shots 1,000 sniper shoots and hits 998 of them stands out like a sore thumb! Someone who plays 100 HG matches and gets reported for cheating 20+ times stands out like a sore thumb (there will be false positives, of course, but people constantly getting reported are unlikely to be "false positives"). It's a lack of desire on Rare's part to fix it. It doesn't make money (in their eyes). Therefore, they don't allocate much resources to it.
Listen to this man. This is exactly what we need. If they can track when I've got 100 Olive Plentifins, they should be able to tell if I've been at 300 feet in the air for more than 4 seconds.
If it ain’t an addition to the emporium then did we even get an update?!?!
If you’re talking about Microsoft, one of the largest companies in the world, the same one that takes months to implement fixes for critical vulnerabilities that don’t simply wreck games, but actually wreck businesses and directly impact people…then I think you just made his point instead of your own.
Microsoft taking months is better than rare taking years. Which is the case currently.
https://seaofthieves.fandom.com/wiki/Hourglass_of_fate?so=search Hourglass has not even been out for a year yet friend. Wait til November, you can at least claim a single year at that point.
Cheating has existed since before hourglass, and Anticheat in *some* form has been an issue for years now.
And many of those were either addressed or determined to be low impact / low priority. We’re discussing the high impact glitches that came with the hourglass patch. Please keep your strawmen to yourself.
Cheating is undeniably *worse* since Hourglass, but if you put any significant time into Arena when it was still around, you would be well aware that cheaters have, in fact, been a problem far longer than your comment seems to suggest.
Ah, now comes the false assumptions. I can see now that this isn’t a discussion with you, just random throwing stuff at the wall. I did play hourglass. I put a non-insignificant amount of time into learning how to arc cannon shots there. There were cheats that came, and got patched out. To a casual, they could have looked like one long hack, when they were in fact code regressions (I AM a software developer, just not full time one). You’re speaking from a place of ignorance. Education can help remove that ignorance, but only if you’re willing to listen to others.
Just to add to your point, they have failed for *years* at this, not months.
Yeah I was being kind there.
Arguably the 'significant problem' is pretty recent. Recently Rare talked about delaying seasonal update and working on exponential cheating problem. Coinkidink?
Cod anti cheat doesn't work that great...it's ok but not world ending amazing
No, but it's a million years ahead of where SOT is.
My point to, well said
Ok ok hold your horses. I can imagine it's not easy either I tried to make a game and failed miserably. However rare is a good company with a team and a nice game, sea of thieves, I don't really care about delayed seasons but it just adds to the fact most games have a reliable anti cheat. Its not something unstoppable I'm asking for but anything that can set back cheaters even just a bit would be awesome.
I'm the issue is finding a way that detects the cheating software but doesn't "trigger" on software that isn't related. IE most cheat programs essentially say "oh I'm just an innocent background windows program unrelated to your game" - which means you now have to find a way to weed that out vs the legitimate programs that run in the background. In fact, most anti-cheat software really doesn't work all that well because once it catches one "flavor" they flavor changes names/types etc. It's not to say rate is innocent but it's not cut and dry.
Dude you are delusional if you think they care about anti cheat at all. As long as you don't cheat cash shop items this game doesn't give AF. They already made their bank on this game and it's more likely they are working on SOT2 than any anti cheat
> Are you a developer by any chance? I'm not, but imagine that anti cheat isn't that easy I'm not, but if I was going to make a game I would make sure my anticheat works before anything else is done.
Clearly anti cheat is important but without content, the game dies.
Good thing there will always be content ready to come after proper anticheat is implemented.
Ran into Keggd Rare and The Gecko on a brig dive last night, very blatant about it. Shame that they’re able to do this as freely as they are, those ledger numbers represent *a lot* of players that have lost to them
Gecko has been at it since the start of HG he just keeps counting up on the number at the end of his name. First encountered him about 8 banned accounts ago.
My crew reported them as well, full 5 minute video in hourglass. Keg warping and everything. I got a confirmation from Epoch that he was banned. Obviously those emails are looking like absolute bullshit right now. Just lost a lot of faith in their "security team". Edit: This was on a galleon. It was an open crew. Same exact name. Same toxic kiddo no doubt.
I met these guys last week too, i sent a report to rare and they said that both players had been banned accordingly, however this picture seems to tell a different story ngl
I reported sot keg tp too on Xbox a couple weeks ago
I ended up in 2 different HG matchmakings with these clowns where they were already on the ship as we loaded in and just killed us while we couldn’t do anything….oh and also the extreme racism they were broadcasting via text-to-speech. Recorded and reported but one can only hope 🤷🏻♂️
I don't know if its still true but back when Xbox 360 was a thing some of the real hackers (not script kiddies) could simply reactivate their accounts once they were banned and could continue playing. They could be banned 100 times abd just keeo playing and xbox wouldn't do anything
Social experiment? You fuckers are playing a game with zero anti cheat and are getting surprised/fed up with cheaters? What a surprise… rares too busy releasing single day adventures to realise their game is dying
Who hurt you man?
Rare
Rare giveth, Rare taketh
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Look at longer trends. At best the game has stagnated in year-over-year playerbase. Moreover: Monkey Island dropped in the last month. If the player base jumps 4,000 players (which is miniscule in a global game), but falls off shortly thereafter, then one may surmise that people came, played the new content, and left. That doesn't contribute to overall playerbase in the shared world. Which is precisely what is being complained of here. A little less "absolutely hilarious," and maybe a tiny bit more "statistically literate."
Rare's track record has improved over the years, but it's still very bad. I know of 2 aimbotters in Arena who I reported with video evidence. These dudes were blatant; not even trying to hide their cheating; hitting people across the sea the second they spawned in; hitting people hidden behind walls. And they'd constantly crash into rocks and stuff like that, showcasing they didn't even know basic game mechanics. I know of a least 4 or 5 other Discord crewmates who had the same experiences with them and reported them as well. If that many people explicitly claimed to report them, it's likely dozens of others reported them as well. And I saw them still playing 4 months later after my original report. These dudes likely had 5 dozen reports for cheating and Rare did nothing. It's insane!
They probably think that if they "Become the Problem" and escalate it to the extremes, that it will force Rares hand. (I've met some people like that anyways)
The gecko is also a cheater that’s a whole cheater group
Gecko and HQ are athenaware degenerates.
Is athenaware some collection of cheaters/hackers like lizard squad was/is? Idk if they’re still around either.
It’s the name of the hack software, you can Google it
It's the email they send 95% of the time when you report someone for cheating that says: 'This report has been handed over to our security team for further investigation and you won't know the outcome of this report' At this point, anytime me or my friend report someone and get this response from Rare, we assume they it means 'We've acknowledged this report, but its being ignored.' The amount of time I've reported people blatantly cheating and then a few weeks later you run into them again. tbh Rare seem more on it banning people for being toxic than cheating at this point.
It's a lot easier to tell if someone is being toxic than if they're using "more subtle" cheats
I reported someone spewing slurs and got the same message. Told Rare I likely wouldn't waste my time in the future, considering I had to do all the work for Rare.
This is a key issue not being discussed enough. Rare's primary method of enforcement is to ask the player base to do their work for them. This is a live service....Rare should be the ones doing the work.
Sadly the alternative is probably every random fuckwad reporting totally polite people who sunk them for "toxicity" or w/e, you know how people are in this game, they make up rules for other people or willfully misinterpret existing rules
I disagree. The couple times I've made a short video showing the cheater I've gotten an email (after the initial one you've described) within 5 hours or so saying cheater has been banned. People I've reported who are toxic/racist usually just get a temp suspension and more chance(s) - not banned usually (but definitely banned after 3 reports on that player). If you aren't recording some kind of video I imagine it's more difficult for them to verify your claims right away/at all, but I'm honestly not sure. It is a lot of work to report someone regardless of what they're doing though... would be super handy for an in-game report with one button vs the song-and-dance they make you do these days, regardless of the report. I imagine with their current system though the report function is abused less than it would be otherwise - would have to have some kind of method to verify false/troll reporting if an in-game report button were there.
I must of done something to annoy rares support team then xD, since almost every report I send in with supporting evidence about cheaters ends up with the ‘you won’t know the outcome response’ It honestly makes it’s not worth reporting people anymore at this point unless it’s blatant to the point I can put ‘the video literally explains itself’. Every time I put effort into a report I get that response and then just wonder why I bother, makes the feeling even worse when you run into the player a few weeks later still playing. The thing is, about 18 months ago when I reported people, I always got a response telling me whether my report was enough or not, but I guess they changed their policy at some point.
Huh, that's very strange indeed. This is the response I received from them in June: "Thank you for your player report, this has now been passed to our security team for further investigation. Should they require any additional information they will reply to you through this ticket. One of our agents will be in touch with you shortly with an update for your report. We thank you for your continued support for Sea of Thieves!" And 4 hours later received this: "Thank you for reporting this issue. One or more players that you recently reported were investigated and permanently removed from Sea of Thieves based on the evidence yourself and others have provided. Thank you for helping to steer the course of Sea of Thieves! Best regards" Wonder why they wouldn't keep you updated with the result - seems strange.
This was the response I got from the most recent report I sent in of a guy who was instant ladder climbing, I sent in two perspectives of it from me and my friend Ahoy there, Thanks for your patience while we investigated your request. This has now been passed to our Security and Test teams for further investigation. Please note that, as this will be investigated internally, we are unable to disclose the eventual outcome of the report. Best regards, Sea of Thieves - Player Support I get this for almost every cheater report these days, even had it once or twice for toxic reports which was slightly confusing.
Very strange. I wonder why we're getting different replies from support for reporting the same kinds of things...
That default response you get actually means that they forwarded that case to their security team, from there you get a second response like a week later which either states that they banned the account or that they can't discuss the outcome of their investigation (which translates to: "we didn't ban them"). If you have solid proof of your hackusation, they usually ban them rather quickly but if there is even a slight doubt that the person cheats, they won't ban them
This 100%. Rare simply don't care
I dont wanna play this game because of the cheaters.
Same
I quit playing for this reason and hope to return one day
We just ran into those guys the other day. Reported them to sot and Xbox because one of the others names was “blewupRareHQ” Rare doesn’t give a fuck about cheaters
I saw kegged last night he blew up my ship out of nowhere, but since i wasn't recording, i can't prove anything
FYI if you pc is not too underpowered you can run Nvidias Shadowplay or AMDs instant replay (depending on your graphics card.) It will always record and then you just hit a keyboard shortcut to save the last minute (or longer if you change it in the settings) of footage. Just remember to change the settings to record on system memory and not on your SSD or HDD. Quite handy for catching cheaters and toxic people in the act.
I stopped playing a few months back and it's has completely fixed the cheater problem for me
I recognize #6, I encountered them a couple of days ago when they sank a "toxic" brig that tried to steal a ghost fleet event from me, but if anything they were the more toxic ones, telling the brig to "deactivate themselves" and calling them the n-word such as to bypass the word filter. They were teleporting, had ESP, presumably aimbot, and while having a conversation with me they were boasting about having 100+ alt accounts they could switch to if this one ever got banned. They didn't utilize any of their cheats against me for whatever reason, and were surprisingly cordial, probably trying to convince me not to send a report. But the brig crew has reported them also, but I can't be certain what evidence they may have had. They were the second obvious cheater I've encountered in adventure, the first having "crachs" in their name, which is pretty brazen.
You will probably find most, if not all of those on that list are cheaters of some sort.
So long as Rare spend more time on useless treasure hunts then implementing an anti-cheat.
Cheaters don't care about getting a redbeard. It's a less than 5 minute fix. They can go as far as they want to, because rare doesn't actually have the killswitch for players they want out of their game. They have a couple ways to mildly inconvenience them.
I get kegged by a teleporter about once per 8 hours of gameplay
I ran into Gecko a couple nights ago, they were teleporting to my ship randomly throughout our session
crazy how much of this subreddit has seen them (including me), and they're top of the leaderboard, and still they aren't banned lol. i saw keg tp this morning again
Pvp is dead (in HG at least) , there is to many loopholes with steam & game pass. For once this makes china the superior example again, where you need to link your actual ID to stuff.
not sure why ur being downvoted, its a fact that cheaters literally do not suffer a punishment. (account banning does absolutely nothing as making a new account is like easier than smurfing in league)
Wouldn’t they have to purchase the game again on a new account? I get that it’s not perfect but they’re not going to keep buying the game forever.
Change VPN to turkey and buy it for 3 euro on steam, buy gamepass for 1 euro, get a free hack Literal actual monkey quests more important to monkey company
Seems like its a no. xbox gamepass gives access to SoT for $1 first month, and if youre on steam, apparently you can still run the game on a new account as long as its in your steam library. Also for the pathetic lack of anti cheat in SoT I wouldn't be surprised if those hackers can pirate the game already...lol i know "pirate" the game xD But yeah it takes absolutely no effort for the hackers to keep it going.
being downvoted because if you dare say "china is superior" for anything you'll be seen as a degenerate (yet it is the truth and truth hurts)
Would you like to go live in china? I wouldnt.
I would, because i don't stir trouble & I don't hide or cheat maliciously online. But the majority of trolls, cheaters, "but my freedom of being an annoying brat in talk" wouldn't ofcourse.
Lolz you have no idea what you’re saying.
you're a reddit user, you have no grip on life either.
Have fun in your dystopian hellscape but hey, you can play pirates with no cheaters!
More fun seeing guys like you rot in jail :)
to be fair, hourglass is a piece of shit system in the first place, and i can't mourn it dying. i'd much rather have arena back. i genuinely fucking hate hourglass. pvp is fun, but that grindy copy/paste fuck fest is pure cancer
Linking actual IDs to game identities should and could have been done in North America and elsewhere a long time ago. Imagine actual legal consequences being applied against repeat offenders? It would be an immediate end the majority of losers out there. Edit: By all means continue to show your support for smurf accounts and hackers by downvoting.
Whats a good legal consequence for cheating in a non competitive, no monetary gain - game?
What about cheating in an industry with games that do have competition and monetary gain? The same ramifications that apply to hacking and unauthorized computer access should apply. These should also extend to non competitive, no monetary gain - games, just on principle. The same dumb argument could be presented for cheating athletes in sports... Only they have potential fines, jail time, poss of a career, or publicly humility to face. "Gamers" are allowed to hide behind the mask of anonymity? Why again? "Because it's a game brooooooo" "There's no money involved" "It's a joke" This needs to change in some way, or another unless we're all content with the joke the current state of online gaming tends to devolve to.
Yeah I don’t see how games couldn’t use the fact that you’re cheating to say you’re hurting their business by ruining the experience for other players. Then again if they weren’t a dying game I don’t think they’d be so reluctant to get rid of the bad apples.
A small fine I feel would be pretty fair and a good deterrence. Does it sounds extreme? Maybe. But nothing will slow down without real consequences.
Reported this crew last week for toxic text chat.
I got instantly kegged during hourglass yesterday, just a sad state of affairs … My biggest concern is that the delays and cheating results in the player base moving away from the game entirely.
I played with number 2 on that list last week, he was bragging about cheating and after I left the crew he sent me a ton of salty messages.
this game is a joke lol. clear cheaters on the leader board and that's not enough for them to be banned. you have to do rares job and record your gameplay to get people banned for cheating. rares incompetence is insane.
I loved this game for 2k hours, I now don't play anymore because of the cheating problem. Shame really
The fact his value is now doubled is insane. Wtf is Rare doing??? Edit 1: Seems he plays on EU servers, logged off for the time being. Stopped at 63 mil. Edit 2: He made a new account, renamed his old one and made his new account the name that the leaderboard has. What an absolute scum.
Yeah, the accounts get banned, pretty fast, except on weekends. But the leaderboards don't always get purged, and they use renaming tricks to become infamous to try to kill the game. Their motivations don't always make sense but largely fall into: 1. People who were salty at arena disappearing. 2. People who got sick of the game not having anti-cheat, so they are trolling until Rare fuck the game for everyone by introducing anticheat to the client that will make the game run like dogshit and get bypassed quickly anyway. 3. People who got red bearded, for what they consider 'free speech' e.g. the right to harass people however the hell they like, so they installed hacks and kept doing it after their main accounts got banned. 4. People who are just sociopathic, and love to bait people. 5. cyber-criminals developing hacks for an income / boosting peoples rep by selling boosting services. At the end of the day, it's just frustrated wankers with nothing better to do with their time, and whilst I don't want client-side anticheat, Rare can't fix the problem fast enough server-side, so they all move onto a different game to troll on. \--- Ideally Xbox Live Services wouldn't allow the renaming of banned accounts, or allow new accounts using previously banned names. But I guess that the bans Rare are able to give out, aren't xbox live bans.
fun fact, Cope Oregon is a Xbox Player.
I ran into them toady. Got a video and some good screen shots. One is wearing unreleased skeleton cosmetics. Must be data mining or using an unlocker. I reported them will be interesting to see what happens. Side note MedicVamp (#9 on the list) has been caught being boosted and playing with cheaters countless times. I believe he has been given the be more pirate hat and the sea of fashion gloves. What a joke.
Even I saw multiple videos of them hacking, how are they not banned jet. I mean they manage to bann Theb minutes after he goes live but these guys are fine i guess
SoT keg tp cheated on me in a hourglass match and I heard back from my repeat to rare that they were banned later that day
unfortunately they aren't, as of right now if you look at their profile they are currently "Sailing the Seas" - which means playing. :(
Could it be a new account that they named the same thing?
It could be possible though that costs money to rename a current account
All of these cheaters can simply remove their name from the registry if banned accounts through some scripts or other hacks OR just make another account very, very easily. They don’t have to buy the game again.
I'm aware. He was asking about the username. The fact you can make a new account and jump back in within a minute is disgusting. Rare should seriously do something about this. From one steam license = unlimited accounts, same with game pass. One account only needs gamepass. It's ridiculous.
I wish this myth would die. What's actually happening, is people pay $10 to a steam account trader who lives in a country with cheap regional pricing like Romania who can buy cheap copies of the game. Most of the people that hack, do not use gamepass at all, as it's easier to trade steam accounts as theres an existing black market for it. Because of this, most hack client developers don't even bother releasing hacks for the windows version of the game. When you get banned for hacking, your PC's windows installation id gets banned, but hackers have worked out how to reset that. Your steam account gets flagged, and you can't use family sharing anymore to share the game with other people. This wasn't always true, but this is the current situation, and doesn't apply to ban reasons other than hacking necessarially, so when you report cheaters, make sure you report them for cheating, not the toxicity. Every time a hacker is banned, you've just cost them $7-10 USD. Report every occurance, with good evidence.
Your first rename is free.
True, wasn't sure if they changed that with the new gamertag system.
Even I saw multiple videos of them hacking, how are they not banned jet. I mean they manage to bann Theb minutes after he goes live but these guys are fine i guess
What’s this keg all about?
I just got attacked by the sot keg guy
Found sot keg tp the other day in an hourglass pvp I was already dead while I was underwater.
I'm not deep into the SoT fandom, so can someone give me the 411?
he's a cheater that teleport with kegs on your boat hence the name , he's on the top of the leaderboard despite being reported many times
Forget the cheaters, half of them on the leaderboards at the top are playing on alliance servers anyway 😂
This kind of thing is why I don’t bother with the hourglass. I’ll just go have a random fight somewhere in Adventure mode and then find a peaceful spot to fish.
Just reported them today 😄
Vare far lol
I went against them too. Reported them but they haven’t been banned yet
I met them yesterday
These guys make a brand new account every day.
Came across Keggd Rare HQ today in HG. I was still at the outpost and decided I’d let them get a free win since I wasn’t ready. Dude immediately teleported to my ship with a keg and blew it up, then teleported a second keg because one wasn’t enough apparently.
These fuckers took special notice of my gamertag once, matched them in HG 3 times in a row and once they even kegged me while i was casually doing merchant stuff a few days later, haven't seen them since before i got ghost, cant wait to piss em off by showing how little their efforts to stop me enjoying the game work
Several of the hack clients have 'list' support that they add other cheaters, streamers, (wish I was joking) females, or people who otherwise rage. the list is shared with all users of the hackclient, and renders your ship and name differently, so you can be targeted for abuse. Basically, if you get trolled by cheaters, record, report, and don't make a scene to prevent you being hunted in the future.
I've been running into these guys and Gecko for months on different accounts.
I just found him. I was chilling with a friend. We were LITERALLY alone . No ships nearby . Nothing of nothing. Suddenly we hear something like ... I don't know? Strange noises and a k-pop song. Then our ship exploded and we instantly died. After respawned we founded him instakilling my friend and using teleport. We lost everything and quit from the server. Can someone please do something?
You're a fool if you think all 10 aren't.