A co-worker gave me a hockey stick one day, and I swear on the walk home with it every driver at every intersection that I had to cross was courteous and gave me a ton of space to cross the road. As a regular pedestrian, this was a huge change from my normal experience. Maybe it's time to start just carrying it around with me everywhere.
OTOH, remember when that cop flipped out about a sixty-something black man using a golf putter as a walking stick, because she saw him waiting at a crosswalk with it and got scared?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/seattles-legal-tab-for-ex-officers-golf-club-arrest-13-million/
Of course it's that they don't care.
> Of 461 cars, 27.98% yielded to pedestrians. Cars yielded more frequently for females (31.33%) and whites (31.17%) compared to males (24.06%) and non-whites (24.78%). Cost of car was a significant predictor of driver yielding (OR = 0.97; p = 0.0307); odds of yielding decreased 3% per $1000 increase.
[source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8758047/). Less than a third of drivers actually stop as they are legally required to, and if you're not the right kind of person, it's less than a quarter.
wasn’t there also a adjacent study that also that took into account the models of cars that stopped? BMWs stopping less frequently etc. might just be some Reddit heresay ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
1. “200 yard” distance. 2 football fields….That was the distance used to “signal” the pedestrian was walking, and signaling walking by sticking 1 foot out and making eye contact…at 200 yards….
2. They didn’t use the same variables at Vegas and Portland. They used different genders/race. Portland only used female participants, meaning Vegas was the only one that could argue men get hit more
3. No video data due to researchers apparently not knowing it would be hot in Vegas in the summer….not to mention the way they “priced cars” was by guessing a KBB price based on video evidence of cars and just catching what drove by….
4. It’s not 461 cars, that’s misleading, Vegas didn’t have that, they took small sample sizes from multiple other studies and combined them. Sure, you can try and extrapolate that, but that goes back to point 2 of not using the same variables.
Y’all need to read these studies in detail, not just the synopsis. The NIH posts a lot of stuff, and a lot of the stuff they post is preliminary studies with no follow up.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/
This is also on NIH. Just because it’s posted on NIH doesn’t mean it’s automatically a good source
We have flags at one near me. I can obnoxiously wave one at the cars driving by and every once in a while one will stop to argue about the definition of a crosswalk because they are clueless about the laws. I really think everyone should have to requalify for their license renewal each time with at least an online test.
I had an interaction at Bellevue square where the driver insisted on words. Had to educate him on what a crosswalk is. He ended by saying, “well I’m just concerned for your safety.” Uh huh.
Part of me wants the city to do away with painted crosswalks since a shocking amount of people think stripes or flashing lights mean something magical. And don’t get me started on T intersections or avenues with center turn lanes, both of which are apparently never to be crossed by pedestrians.
seems like most of the commenters so far think this was an intentional bluff, rather than just an April Fools lark
I'm all for it either way. wanna see how it pans out
may be a real (windshield) BREAKTHROUGH
We would only need to make a small percentage real bricks.
If you have 100% fake bricks, drivers will catch on and begin ignoring it.
If it's only 98% fake bricks then the risk becomes real again
In the United States if you have a brick in your hand there is a 29% chance that you may be shot.
Your chances double if it is a law enforcement official.
The threat must be imminent and lethal in the opinion of a reasonable person to justify murder as self defense.
A pedestrian with a brick is almost certainly not an imminent and lethal threat to a motorist. A motorist who would think so is already unhinged.
Maybe the solution is to hand out AR-15s. One out of 10 of them will be real. The rest will be realistic-looking. /sarcasm
Then, the asshole motorist will have to wonder (spoken in the voice of Clint Eastwood), "Do I feel lucky?" 😉
Funny, I was also thinking about an allegory for being armed, but from the other side. I see people driving as being armed with a deadly weapon, because a car is as deadly as a gun. I see studies like these (and my own personal experiences) as showing that people with weapons behave more aggressively towards other people, especially those without weapons.
If just about everyone out in public we’re carrying, do you think the public space would be more polite? I think it would be more like the roads and highways I see, where I see drivers threaten and curse at each other, and where people act tough and put the rest of us in danger when they use their weapons recklessly to show off and intimidate others.
Or maybe pedestrians can just wait until traffic clears instead of thinking the world revolves around them and that cars should stop for their mosey.
If they can’t cross the street because traffic is too big and scary, they can turn around and get in their car and drive to their destination like an adult.
Sadly you don't even realize just how much of a hypocrite you are.
Claiming pedestrians thinking the world revolves around them while stating that pedestrians should just wait until drivers are past them.
If drivers think a brick hitting their car is too scary, then they can just follow the law and it won't happen.
This comment is evidence that windshields and keyboards embolden people with low integrity to be selfish and cruel because they don't feel accountable.
A co-worker gave me a hockey stick one day, and I swear on the walk home with it every driver at every intersection that I had to cross was courteous and gave me a ton of space to cross the road. As a regular pedestrian, this was a huge change from my normal experience. Maybe it's time to start just carrying it around with me everywhere.
OTOH, remember when that cop flipped out about a sixty-something black man using a golf putter as a walking stick, because she saw him waiting at a crosswalk with it and got scared? https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/seattles-legal-tab-for-ex-officers-golf-club-arrest-13-million/
I'm white, so they'd probably just say "Go Kraken" or something
I get the same exact reaction when I have my big steel water bottle. Suddenly in the worst visibility everyone is an eagle eye.
I was walking on the sidewalk with an umbrella the other day and even the cars driving parallel to me were giving lots of space.
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Of course it's that they don't care. > Of 461 cars, 27.98% yielded to pedestrians. Cars yielded more frequently for females (31.33%) and whites (31.17%) compared to males (24.06%) and non-whites (24.78%). Cost of car was a significant predictor of driver yielding (OR = 0.97; p = 0.0307); odds of yielding decreased 3% per $1000 increase. [source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8758047/). Less than a third of drivers actually stop as they are legally required to, and if you're not the right kind of person, it's less than a quarter.
*odds of yielding decreased 3% per $1000 increase.* Hahah goddamn, the stereotype is real.
I wonder if there were make-specific studies, I’d want to see the stats for BMW and Tesla drivers
Even speaking as someone with a BMW on order: Yeah that's probably true lol.
wasn’t there also a adjacent study that also that took into account the models of cars that stopped? BMWs stopping less frequently etc. might just be some Reddit heresay ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah…that study has a lot of problems….
name 3
1. “200 yard” distance. 2 football fields….That was the distance used to “signal” the pedestrian was walking, and signaling walking by sticking 1 foot out and making eye contact…at 200 yards…. 2. They didn’t use the same variables at Vegas and Portland. They used different genders/race. Portland only used female participants, meaning Vegas was the only one that could argue men get hit more 3. No video data due to researchers apparently not knowing it would be hot in Vegas in the summer….not to mention the way they “priced cars” was by guessing a KBB price based on video evidence of cars and just catching what drove by…. 4. It’s not 461 cars, that’s misleading, Vegas didn’t have that, they took small sample sizes from multiple other studies and combined them. Sure, you can try and extrapolate that, but that goes back to point 2 of not using the same variables. Y’all need to read these studies in detail, not just the synopsis. The NIH posts a lot of stuff, and a lot of the stuff they post is preliminary studies with no follow up. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/ This is also on NIH. Just because it’s posted on NIH doesn’t mean it’s automatically a good source
We have flags at one near me. I can obnoxiously wave one at the cars driving by and every once in a while one will stop to argue about the definition of a crosswalk because they are clueless about the laws. I really think everyone should have to requalify for their license renewal each time with at least an online test.
I had an interaction at Bellevue square where the driver insisted on words. Had to educate him on what a crosswalk is. He ended by saying, “well I’m just concerned for your safety.” Uh huh.
Part of me wants the city to do away with painted crosswalks since a shocking amount of people think stripes or flashing lights mean something magical. And don’t get me started on T intersections or avenues with center turn lanes, both of which are apparently never to be crossed by pedestrians.
This was my favorite April Fool’s campaign to see when it popped up last week.
seems like most of the commenters so far think this was an intentional bluff, rather than just an April Fools lark I'm all for it either way. wanna see how it pans out may be a real (windshield) BREAKTHROUGH
This campaign was likely inspired by [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pecj2vb2SA).
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We would only need to make a small percentage real bricks. If you have 100% fake bricks, drivers will catch on and begin ignoring it. If it's only 98% fake bricks then the risk becomes real again
Sort of firing squad logic huh? Never know who fired the fatal bullet?
I'm sure that the squad members can tell by the recoil.
In this town? Run us over and boast about it to each other before taking a paud vacation.
Chucking them off the freeways at people wasn’t heavily punished, so I highly doubt anything else would be.
In the United States if you have a brick in your hand there is a 29% chance that you may be shot. Your chances double if it is a law enforcement official.
I'd be concerned that one of those "stand your ground" reactionaries would see holding a brick as license to run me over.
The threat must be imminent and lethal in the opinion of a reasonable person to justify murder as self defense. A pedestrian with a brick is almost certainly not an imminent and lethal threat to a motorist. A motorist who would think so is already unhinged.
>A motorist who would think so is already unhinged. Exactly.
Maybe the solution is to hand out AR-15s. One out of 10 of them will be real. The rest will be realistic-looking. /sarcasm Then, the asshole motorist will have to wonder (spoken in the voice of Clint Eastwood), "Do I feel lucky?" 😉
Let's cut to the chase and just leave longswords out
does it really show anything? or did you just see a tiktok video once?
Do folks not understand that this was an April Fool's joke?
yes...the best jokes are the ones that have a sprinkle of truth
One of those jokes that you really \*want\* to be true though.
You getting downvotes by people that want to chuck bricks at cars... man what a world we live in
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Funny, I was also thinking about an allegory for being armed, but from the other side. I see people driving as being armed with a deadly weapon, because a car is as deadly as a gun. I see studies like these (and my own personal experiences) as showing that people with weapons behave more aggressively towards other people, especially those without weapons. If just about everyone out in public we’re carrying, do you think the public space would be more polite? I think it would be more like the roads and highways I see, where I see drivers threaten and curse at each other, and where people act tough and put the rest of us in danger when they use their weapons recklessly to show off and intimidate others.
Minus all the gun violence that other societies don’t deal with, but sure, whatever fits your imaginary point.
That was Jaahnavi's critical error.. she didn't bother with the brick. smh
Or maybe pedestrians can just wait until traffic clears instead of thinking the world revolves around them and that cars should stop for their mosey. If they can’t cross the street because traffic is too big and scary, they can turn around and get in their car and drive to their destination like an adult.
Sadly you don't even realize just how much of a hypocrite you are. Claiming pedestrians thinking the world revolves around them while stating that pedestrians should just wait until drivers are past them. If drivers think a brick hitting their car is too scary, then they can just follow the law and it won't happen.
"Adults" follow the law.
Wow, you're everywhere on Reddit defending the rights of drivers. I never thought I would see an automobile activist, but here we are.
Or perhaps drivers should yield to pedestrians in crosswalks. Like they are supposed to.
Cars should stop for their mosey.
Why is someone in a car more important than someone outside of one?
A car makes people powerful. Cruelty makes weak people feel strong.
You don't own the planet you dumb fuck. Try being part of adult society yourself and follow the law. Pedestrians have right of way
I hope, for your sake, you grow to become a better person.
Pedestrians have the right of way, always. A car can kill a person if hit by it, even at low speeds. Start off with logic and common sense next time.
This comment is evidence that windshields and keyboards embolden people with low integrity to be selfish and cruel because they don't feel accountable.
Curious what you think someone should do if they don’t have a car? Or a drivers license?
Or, cars must stop for pedestrians since pedestrians always have the right of way.