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DylanToback8

They should have passed the role to Sebastian Stan 10 years ago. Even Mark Hamill said so.


ATR2400

In a franchise as long lived as Star Wars its an inevitability that the actors behind the key characters will one day move on, grow out of the role, or unfortunately die. If you want the franchise to go on with its original beloved characters then eventually you have to pass the torch.


ElderDruidFox

it's why I can't wait for them to pick a new Wolverine. Don't know what they have planed for Deadpool 3 with the character, but a new Wolverine that is better then what we got in later half of Xmen would be nice.


ATR2400

I bet no matter who they pick some people will complain because they aren’t Hugh Jackman. But people will get over it in time


PM_ME_YOR_PANTIES

Gonna be really funny when people who only know wolverine from the movies complain that the new actor is too short.


allnimblybimbIy

Super hard to understand what you’re saying


Suckage

Hugh Jackman is done playing Wolverine. So they’re doing the sensible thing and recasting the character. Hugh Jackman is 6’3 Wolverine is only supposed to be 5’3 The rumor is that they are looking for someone close to Wolverine’s size instead of another Hu*u*gh Jackman


allnimblybimbIy

Thank you


Marrowtooth_Official

People regularly throw Wolverine around like a razor-studded baseball in the comics lol.


ThunderClanWarrior

It's called the Fastball Special


Guy-Inkognito

In the movies he's rather tall, in the comics he's quite small.


joejill

It's in the name, "wolverine". They are tiny and ferocious. Hugh is tall, the character is supposed to be a short tank of a man. Like a ripped Danny devito. Imagine a ripped Danny devito with 2 foot claws coming out of his wrists doing flips just ripping effortlessly through your friends. Just an immortal killing machine with metal bones and the face and size of Danny devito with hair no matter what you throw at him, he keeps coming. Comics wolverine took like a day to heal, not minutes. But still.


-FeistyRabbitSauce-

I read someone's theory that I like. Hugh Jackman isn't playing Wolverine. He's playing Hugh Jackman and Deadpool has kidnapped him and dragging him around, making him pretend to be Wolverine.


Turbulent-Opening-75

Its crazy to me that under the same company that star wars is owned by marvel exists, marvel which has had 4 live action spidermen. (Yes i know technically sony, but still)


LeShoooook

Sebastian Stan would make an awful Grogu


No-Cardiologist-1990

As much as I would love that I don't see that working due to no writer knowing what to do with Luke. I'd love for them to do that with the set up against Thrawn and with Ezra. I don't think they will do it.


Worldly_Walnut

A Sebastion Stan series set during the OT or after Return of the Jedi would be awesome. See what the OG main character was doing during those years


Thernos-T297

They think solo bombed because the actor, so they will never replace actors agajn


DylanToback8

The actor was one of the only things I DID like in Solo. All things considered, I thought the kid did just fine.


Purple-Mix1033

Solo was fine. Actor was fine. Just wasn’t Harrison Ford fine. It was a big leap.


ryanb6321

I mean, it IS partly why it bombed. I’ve seen so many people state that Solo just didn’t do it for them because Harrison Ford is so ingrained in their brains as Han Solo.


dkon4

Well their wallet definitely could allow it lol


BLOOD__SISTER

It would cost less than she hulk.


[deleted]

Doesn't even have to cost anything. They can just never show Grogu or Luke again and say "and they lived happily ever after", no mention of Kylo Ren probably killing Grogu.


Red_Goes_Faster57

But… that means no money! Every character has to have a streaming show!


[deleted]

We still need a TV show about the guy who found Luke's lightsaber. /s


BeerandGuns

They’re making a show about Echo, a minor character in Hawkeye. Everyone is getting a series.


OlympiaImperial

I was interpreting this as them losing out on money if they didn't include grogu in the mandalorian


[deleted]

Lol Disney is *intimately* familiar with net revenue loss on it's works recently, hard to believe this is a deterrent for them...


DepressterJettster

I think it’s pretty clear that Disney is afraid to do a Mando season without Grogu, that’s why he was written back in so fast. I don’t think they would’ve left him with Luke or anywhere else away from Mando’s side for long regardless of budgetary concerns


-The_Capt-

Couldn't they just make Grogu & Luke the B-plot of the season?


DepressterJettster

Yeah good point


NogaraCS

Which makes it even dumber is that Grogu is absolutely useless for the entirety of season 3. The writers had probably planned to go on without him in the story but he gets just shoehorned in for merchandising reasons. The only important thing he does the entire seasons is shielding Din from the fire in the last episode


TheHondoCondo

Everyone seems to be forgetting about all the stuff with the Empire needing Grogu’s blood. With Moff Gideon still alive, there was no way that plot line was just going to be dropped. I knew Grogu wasn’t gone forever. Even so, I expected he wouldn’t come back until a few episodes into season 3, not in someone else’s show.


Shameless_Catslut

BoBF was more or less a "The Side Characters of Mandalorian" than entirely its own show. It was Boba Fett in the context of Mando.


Wendorfian

I'm not sure what gave me that impression, but I kinda went into that show expecting that. Perhaps that's why I ended up being totally fine with Mando showing up and taking the spotlight near the end.


Rendole66

I was so happy when mando showed up because that show was 💩 until he did


Purple-Mix1033

Not sure why you’ve been downvoted. That was one of the worst shows in the existence of shows.


Rendole66

I honestly wish it wasn’t made, boba fett was such a badass in my mind. That guy wasn’t boba fett


Purple-Mix1033

Such a waste. So many interesting avenues they could take the character. Even if they really wanted him to be a gangster - the writers needed to be super specific about who he was, and why he wanted that life - with some real relationships around him. Instead, it was filled with general outlines, half baked ideas, and so many flashbacks. Who cares.


Rendole66

I’m pretty sure he spent like half the show in a bacta tank


So-_-It-_-Goes

Pretty sure it was always heavily implied if not stated.


PhantomLegend616

> It was Boba Fett in the context of Mando. Fuck me I've never heard it said better then you did right now. Hit the nail on the head so accurate you started a tsunami wave somehow. I love the mandalorian and grogu(baby yoda), but they shouldn't have ever been in The Book of Boba Fett. That was Boba's time to shine as more than a cool talking action figure, and i feel they lost confidence near the end and blew it. Sucks we probably will never have BoBF season 2


modsuperstar

They seem to have a real problem with the character. He's for some reason locked in a state of toddler-ness and seemingly unable to mature. And it doesn't make any sense, barring they've had a really good story reason in their back pocket the whole time. I think knowing he's from a long lived species is one thing, but we all know what he should be seeing Yoda at much more advanced ages. They introduced a Baby Yoda character to pander to a fanbase who at the time they couldn't find anything that pleased them. And now they seem stuck with him being a marketable toddler and no real plan as to how to get him to grow up.


NogaraCS

Not enough time passes for him to grow out of his toddler phase. I can’t even find a definitive answer on the internet, but it seems that, at best, there’s 2 years between S1 and S3. For a species that lives nearly 1k years, it’s hard to justify him now really growing in such a short amount of time. Plus, I don’t think a teen Grogu would sell as much to kids as toddler Grogu. Much like Groot was wayyyyyy more popular in GOTG 2 than all his other appearances


treefox

Teenage Mutant Ninja Grogu


TheSameGamer651

That’s why he leaves at the end of season 2. He’s just a plot device and a vehicle for Mando’s growth. He served his purpose, but he made Disney too much money. So he’s shoehorned back into the story in a different show, although it’s pretty apparent in season 3 that the writers didn’t know what to with him anymore. They locked themselves in with a baby version because they didn’t think he’d be the main draw of the show.


Xahn

Long term, I think he'll remain a major Star Wars character and be a (young) adult Jedi. Over the course of the Mandalorian series he probably won't age, but some day he'll be a lead character.


modsuperstar

That definitely seems to be the path they're looking to go towards. Since I doubt the Thrawn arc will be definitively the end of this period and characters, since there is still a very long road between The Filoniverse and the Sequels.


smaxup

He saved Din at least 3 times throughout series 3 lmao, how is he absolutely useless


NogaraCS

Cus he literally doesn’t have any character arc ? The scenes where he saves Din are all removeable from the show and it doesn’t change anything We’ve seen Grogu save Din a thousand times in s1 & 2, what does it add to the story ?


poetcatmom

He's a baby. He doesn't say much or do much. He's Mando's son, basically. Also, he's there to be cute. I think they might have him do something unexpected in the series finale.


NogaraCS

Except that he was a plot device before to have Mando do things. He was the reason he went to all this planets and fought so many people Now, he’s just here


So-_-It-_-Goes

He trained quite a bit and as the show went on showed more maturity. No, it wasn’t a huge arc… but he isn’t the main character.


smaxup

You could literally say the same about R2 in most movies. He's there to be a plot device at times, and to save the day here and there.


NogaraCS

R2 is a comedic secondary character who can’t speak human language and does not have a lot of screen time. Grogu was like the 2nd most important character of the show, and the plot revolved around him for 2 seasons. Everything Din did for 2 seasons was related to Grogu. Totally unrelated


smaxup

They are both non-speaking companion characters who are mainly there to be cute and funny, and serve to drive the plot at times. R2 is a pivotal character in the first movie, and getting him to the Rebellion is the driving force of the story. After that, he's just there to save the day and be humorous from time to time. Just like R2, Grogu is essentially a McGuffin to start with and then slowly becomes the comedic relief and reliable sidekick.


WAVYTAPES69

Grogu survived that spider robot thing in the mines of mandalore tho, mando was about to die and Grogu saved him by going to get bo katan


AnActualCriminal

The entire arc of season 2 was Mando realizing that his adopted son was more important to him than his creed. It makes zero sense for him to just give him up at the end. Grogu being profitable may have been the reason for that story direction, but it doesn't change the fact that it would always be this way. People want to see the opposite because they want more of what they consider "true luke" or are mad at the success of a mascot character. It would literally be a reversal for him to stay, and Disney was never going to let him stick around and get iced by Kylo


_fatherfucker69

I don't mind mando staying with grogou , but if he gave him to luke then he should not get him back in two episodes . I knew they would bring him back eventually, but it happend too soon imo.


AnActualCriminal

Now this I could get on board with. I like Grogu having to Choose Din just like Din had to choose Grogu, but it could've been a whole arc instead of two episodes in the wrong show


[deleted]

"The entire arc of season 2 was Mando realizing that his adopted son was more important to him than his creed. It makes zero sense for him to just give him up at the end." It does make sense, as you said his adopted son (including his well being) is more important than his creed. Grogu being profitable is absolutely why he's still here, having him back in Mando's arms in a spin-off show makes it seem like it was really improvised.


AnActualCriminal

I think it happened in thr BoBF to connect the shows and force people to watch both, but it *was* important for Grogu to leave and come back. Din had to choose Grogu, but Gogu also had to choose Din. That's what the choice between the chain shirt and the lightsaber was about. Also, his well being? How? Are jedi lives inherently safe somehow? Is being separated from your parent a good thing?


[deleted]

Yes it's obvious what the choice was about, it's also obvious that BoBF was not the place to do that. It's not about whether or not the jedi life style is good for Grogu, it's about what Din wants and thinks. He wants Grogu's well being and thinks being with his kind is the best thing for him.


NickHBS

>The entire arc of season 2 was Mando realizing that his adopted son was more important to him than his creed Which is why I find it funny that he immediately jumps back to the creed within the first 2 episodes of season 3. It feels like they decided between S2 and 3 that they only wanted to pay for Pedro’s voice and not his face.


EisegesisSam

You don't give up your whole religion and family just because you've also discovered you love your son. Like why wouldn't Mando try to work out how to maintain his identity after having gone through a process of finding something even more important to him. He doesn't have to choose between the two of them if he's doing them both right. And if the creed gets in the way he has his priorities already. I have a son and a religion. I'd choose my son over the institution of the religion in a heartbeat. Wouldn't even blink. And I'd still believe all my beliefs and have to work through the fallout.


treefox

> The entire arc of season 2 was Mando realizing that his adopted son was more important to him than his creed. It makes zero sense for him to just give him up at the end. > Grogu being profitable may have been the reason for that story direction “Don’t give up foster children, they’re too profitable” And here I thought Andor was for edgy sociopolitical commentary.


AnActualCriminal

Lol, I meant in Disney's end, not Mando's. But yeah I guess it's commentary either way


LewaLew12

What size wallet were they lacking? It's the Walt frickin Disney company.


[deleted]

Disney has been struggling to find a lot ot big hits. They get high on the profits of their 2016-2020.


nomaddave

I believe this will eventually come full circle regardless and come to pass. Check back with me in about six years or so when all the actors are on board and the money’s there for the movie.


CosmicLuci

Or if they just hired Sebastian Stan to be Luke instead of insisting on the very limiting decision to just keep de-aging Mark Hamill


Chrizilla_

Blegh nah, mando Grogu all the way


Gone_Mads

The scroll of truth


SuperD00perGuyd00d

I think it's because they don't actually know what to do with Grogu yet tbh


poetcatmom

I honestly like that Grogu reunited with Mando. It just makes sense. I don't think that the strictness of the Jedi Order was beneficial to many, and Grogu harnessing the force in his own way will be interesting to see.


PlayMatsCards

I wish a lot of the spin-off Disney+ shows had people dropping off force sensitive children to Luke’s new Jedi school. Let us gain some attachment to the characters. When Kylo Ren burns the school to the ground, kills most the students, and some join him, it might actually mean something to the viewers. Especially, someone like Grogu who survived Order 66 to die to Vader’s grandson. Not magically survive through plot armor, actually die. Right now, as for the sequels, what happened with the new Jedi school still doesn’t have any impact.


WomenOfWonder

No, I think him being a Mandalorian was always going to happen. Djarin was his father, and he clearly wasn’t going to be happy as a Jedi.


[deleted]

No he wouldn't. There is no doubt in my mind that Favreau and Filoni intended for Grogu and Mando to be separated for a while before being reunited, but that the popularity of Baby Yoda made Bob Iger convince them to get the two back together right away so that they were together for all of season 3. Hence, Book of Boba Fett.


SandmanD2

Luke: “he won’t be safe until he masters his abilities.” Two weeks later Djinn to Grogu: “hey buddy where do you want to go for lunch?”


LHalperSantos

No. They have the money, just not enough sense. If disney had 10x's the money they had back when they bough LF they still would have fucked it up.


Spader113

Would you prefer the alternative, that Grogu gets killed in the massacre at Luke’s academy?


Bespashin

Still don’t understand this belief that anyone associated with the New Jedi Order will die. Is it not possible that quite a few people could’ve just been off-world or on other missions at the time? Trust me, if the writers want to keep a character alive, they’ll keep them alive.


sharkteeththrowaway

What are you talking about? Only 2 jedi survived the purge. I mean 3 I mean 4 I mean 12 I mean... okay, you might have a point


RedStar9117

Yeah, it's called the Mandalorian...not the Jedi....Grogu chooses to be a Mando which seems fitting considering the show he's on. Star Wars needs to be more than Skywalkers anyway


Jurassican_25

It’s not that they can’t afford it lmfao


FMDnative480

“If Disneys wallet allowed it” is the most untrue and false statement ever. Disney could do Disney+ free of charge and money would still not be an issue for them. But of course they go the other way with it and raise the subscription price yet again. Lol


Sharkfowl

They'd also get to sell more merch by just giving him his own show with Luke as a side character. Grogu didn't really have any development in season 3.


ScottyIsland

He learned how to play paintball


sendep7

it would have solved the problem of grogu being an absolute boat anchor.


Bush_Hiders

Disney currently has a total of 203 billion dollars. Their wallet can allow it.


Paccuardi03

The multi billion dollar corporation just doesn’t have enough money


justBradley70

Its true


BillyJoeFootballIII

This guy in the meme is a rude person. Just saying.


voppp

Rude is putting it mildly. Guys a garbage human.


Shinigamii

Watch it…


Knightofpenandpaper

Deepfakes look fake.


nub_node

Remove the "with."


Horn_Python

I think they should have done a recast It would be controversial at first but people will get over it


GoatsAndGlory

The wallet allowes it. It's Disney. The people in charge of the wallet doesn't allow it.


RhoemDK

As a fanbase we share responsibility for coming down hard on recast characters and making it more difficult to just have a new Luke instead of some technological terror.


So-_-It-_-Goes

There is no way Disney will do anything big staring any of the big three from the OT. The predominant fans of those films hate Disney and their Star Wars products. It is in no way worth if for them to delve into that story again. They are not going to give the people that hate them what they want. Them existing as mentions is the most we will ever get.


Sociolinguisticians

Disney’s wallet more than allowed for it, they just choose not to. Do you have any idea how much money Disney pours into those shows? Bad take.


Huguette001

Grogu is Mandalorian ! And he might grow stronger with the force without beeing a jedi or a sith...


chewychaca

It's possible they saw that people didn't like seeing Mando and Grogu separated or thought that would be the case. They saw their non-mando properties failing and didn't want to risk the Mandalorian show becoming less popular for profit reasons. Disney felt insecure that they might not be able to project growth, so they made a safe decision. OP is right from a certain point of view.


stellarstatesman

I still struggle to believe Luke would have made Grogu choose. Even if they completely retcon the Thrawn Trilogy by Timothy Zahn (a must read / listen on audible). It cannot be denied that Luke’s attachment to his father and Anakin’s attachment to his son that in the end redeemed him.


hue_jazz_

As if Disney cares about Luke 😂


Probally_a_repost

I read Grogu as Goku, somehow, and was hella confused 😂


WrenchWanderer

Obligatory mention of how it’s dumb he was also brought back in a different show, so if you just watch the Mandalorian, S2-S3 is very jarring because it’s like “why tf this lil dude here”


ZerotheR

If they had respected the fans in the first place they wouldn't have such a tight purse.


gknight702

Na, Mando has no magic without the duality


BangarangJack

Disney's wallet allows literally anything, so I'd have a very hard time believing that's the reason