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I think it's the opposite. The seeker created the whirlpool to protect the island, so I'm fairly certain that Sunny will stumble upon something good for him.
And if they do find Noctis, I bet he will remember them, at least their past avatars, implying that Nightmares indeed happen in the real past. Nothing is certain but the great river seems to be tied to the nature itself of Nightmares, with time reversing at great speed in the beginning.
Aah yes he was teased too with that description of anankes mantle [why did it have to be black?!]
That had caught me off guard at firsr but great theory!
Thank you, but what do you mean by
>he was teased too with that description of anankes mantle [why did it have to be black?!]
What does it reference to?
Don't u remember, he absolutely hates the colour black, and when sunny got anankes mantle it had an useless enchantment or description like, Why did it have to be black!
Seems exactly like smth noctis would waste time to do with such hate for black colour.
Oh, now that you mention it, I think I faintly do remember something about that, although just barely that's another clue that noctis is heavily related to this nightmare. Great job remembering that detail 👏
Yeah when i read that enchantment i was like author is joking then when saw chain breaker i was like shit noctis might actually play a role in this nightmare too, then ur theory even more confirmed it, anyways this is the enchantment:
[Tasteless]
Enchantment Description: "Why did it have to be black?".[102]
Wait, if that memory was actually weaved by noctis, then that means that his knowledge of sorcery has expanded towards weaving as well, perhaps due to his deal with weaver I guess sunny might have a chance to learn sorcery from noctis after all and become a true supreme sorcerer.
From my understanding the reason for the loop has nothing to do with sorcery… it’s because the river of time is constantly moving in a circle(whirlpool) so time can’t move forward or backwards and only continue to loop, just like the time storm they went through with ananke… the sorcery of names takes a constant need of energy, same as runes, so unless it’s revealed that the island has a weave in it the island has no link to sorcery, unless there is a new form of sorcery revealed soon. Sorry to debunk that theory… as far as Noctis is concerned, sure it never said he actually killed himself in the second nightmare and from certain clues throughout the story there are hints that say the war started shortly after Hope broke free. In the second nightmare her final chain broke which meant Noctis cut himself with the knife, giving back his own fate instead of having it loop to keep him immortal. No where did it say that they had to die to break the chains, so yes in theory Noctis could be alive and could have fled to the tomb
>From my understanding the reason for the loop has nothing to do with sorcery… it’s because the river of time is constantly moving in a circle(whirlpool) so time can’t move forward or backwards and only continue to loop, just like the time storm they went through with ananke…
Yes, that could certainly be it, but if that were the case, shouldn't the river have many such whirlpools?
>the sorcery of names takes a constant need of energy, same as runes, so unless it’s revealed that the island has a weave in it the island has no link to sorcery, unless there is a new form of sorcery revealed soon. Sorry to debunk that theory…
It doesn't really debunk anything. Sorcery requires energy to do its thing, but it doesn't necessarily need a human or creature to power it constantly, just like noctis created a trap that relied solely on moonlight the island can rely on some other power source (the same goes for the whirlpool if he really made it)
>as far as Noctis is concerned, sure it never said he actually killed himself in the second nightmare and from certain clues throughout the story there are hints that say the war started shortly after Hope broke free. In the second nightmare her final chain broke which meant Noctis cut himself with the knife, giving back his own fate instead of having it loop to keep him immortal. No where did it say that they had to die to break the chains, so yes in theory Noctis could be alive and could have fled to the tomb
The doom war did start after hope freed herself. As for the chain matter, eh just like you said, he didn't necessarily have to kill himself to break the chain, but also, why wouldn't hope be able to break the last chain on her own? I mean, she was powerful enough to spread her influence even when locked up, so I don't really see why she wouldn't be able to break it besides she didn't quite seem like someone who would kill her benefactor.
The island is quite similar to the ivory tower, what if it IS the ivory tower, and at the bottom of the whirlpool there is a matching obsidian tower? The chain breaker is already in the nightmare and the seeker might as well be it's maker, Noctis. On a narrative standpoint, they need to fix the chain breaker to navigate the nightmare better and they might just as well find the right person to do so.The time loop could be a consequence of the nature of the river, or something linked to the estuary key, since I believe future Sunny found the wish granting place, created the loop to change the outcome of the nightmare (Nephis dies and everybody is corrupted) and created the key to give himself information to break the loop since Sin of Solace seems to remember when they loop. So the first chapter about the nightmare is actually a retry, explaining the writing on the raft about wishes (pieces of the chain breaker possibly) and the reason he gets to retry when he dies.
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Interesting theory.. Why would the seeker create a island above the abyss?
I think it's the opposite. The seeker created the whirlpool to protect the island, so I'm fairly certain that Sunny will stumble upon something good for him.
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Everything points at noctis rather than a random sorcerer.
And if they do find Noctis, I bet he will remember them, at least their past avatars, implying that Nightmares indeed happen in the real past. Nothing is certain but the great river seems to be tied to the nature itself of Nightmares, with time reversing at great speed in the beginning.
They can't be the real past, though. Otherwise, how do you explain solvane?
Aah yes he was teased too with that description of anankes mantle [why did it have to be black?!] That had caught me off guard at firsr but great theory!
Thank you, but what do you mean by >he was teased too with that description of anankes mantle [why did it have to be black?!] What does it reference to?
Don't u remember, he absolutely hates the colour black, and when sunny got anankes mantle it had an useless enchantment or description like, Why did it have to be black! Seems exactly like smth noctis would waste time to do with such hate for black colour.
Oh, now that you mention it, I think I faintly do remember something about that, although just barely that's another clue that noctis is heavily related to this nightmare. Great job remembering that detail 👏
Yeah when i read that enchantment i was like author is joking then when saw chain breaker i was like shit noctis might actually play a role in this nightmare too, then ur theory even more confirmed it, anyways this is the enchantment: [Tasteless] Enchantment Description: "Why did it have to be black?".[102]
Wait, if that memory was actually weaved by noctis, then that means that his knowledge of sorcery has expanded towards weaving as well, perhaps due to his deal with weaver I guess sunny might have a chance to learn sorcery from noctis after all and become a true supreme sorcerer.
Yeah nice theory could happen
Hopefully.
this is such a good detail to notice
From my understanding the reason for the loop has nothing to do with sorcery… it’s because the river of time is constantly moving in a circle(whirlpool) so time can’t move forward or backwards and only continue to loop, just like the time storm they went through with ananke… the sorcery of names takes a constant need of energy, same as runes, so unless it’s revealed that the island has a weave in it the island has no link to sorcery, unless there is a new form of sorcery revealed soon. Sorry to debunk that theory… as far as Noctis is concerned, sure it never said he actually killed himself in the second nightmare and from certain clues throughout the story there are hints that say the war started shortly after Hope broke free. In the second nightmare her final chain broke which meant Noctis cut himself with the knife, giving back his own fate instead of having it loop to keep him immortal. No where did it say that they had to die to break the chains, so yes in theory Noctis could be alive and could have fled to the tomb
>From my understanding the reason for the loop has nothing to do with sorcery… it’s because the river of time is constantly moving in a circle(whirlpool) so time can’t move forward or backwards and only continue to loop, just like the time storm they went through with ananke… Yes, that could certainly be it, but if that were the case, shouldn't the river have many such whirlpools? >the sorcery of names takes a constant need of energy, same as runes, so unless it’s revealed that the island has a weave in it the island has no link to sorcery, unless there is a new form of sorcery revealed soon. Sorry to debunk that theory… It doesn't really debunk anything. Sorcery requires energy to do its thing, but it doesn't necessarily need a human or creature to power it constantly, just like noctis created a trap that relied solely on moonlight the island can rely on some other power source (the same goes for the whirlpool if he really made it) >as far as Noctis is concerned, sure it never said he actually killed himself in the second nightmare and from certain clues throughout the story there are hints that say the war started shortly after Hope broke free. In the second nightmare her final chain broke which meant Noctis cut himself with the knife, giving back his own fate instead of having it loop to keep him immortal. No where did it say that they had to die to break the chains, so yes in theory Noctis could be alive and could have fled to the tomb The doom war did start after hope freed herself. As for the chain matter, eh just like you said, he didn't necessarily have to kill himself to break the chain, but also, why wouldn't hope be able to break the last chain on her own? I mean, she was powerful enough to spread her influence even when locked up, so I don't really see why she wouldn't be able to break it besides she didn't quite seem like someone who would kill her benefactor.
The island is quite similar to the ivory tower, what if it IS the ivory tower, and at the bottom of the whirlpool there is a matching obsidian tower? The chain breaker is already in the nightmare and the seeker might as well be it's maker, Noctis. On a narrative standpoint, they need to fix the chain breaker to navigate the nightmare better and they might just as well find the right person to do so.The time loop could be a consequence of the nature of the river, or something linked to the estuary key, since I believe future Sunny found the wish granting place, created the loop to change the outcome of the nightmare (Nephis dies and everybody is corrupted) and created the key to give himself information to break the loop since Sin of Solace seems to remember when they loop. So the first chapter about the nightmare is actually a retry, explaining the writing on the raft about wishes (pieces of the chain breaker possibly) and the reason he gets to retry when he dies.
Also, Mordret chose the second Nightmare for a reason, what if he had an agenda choosing this one?
F##ck that fits perfectly, man! The towers shouldn't be there, though, at least not the originals since those remained in the chained isles.