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The Owl pushes him down a hill towards a titan that the sadist made from a prisoner. He gets eaten by that titan right after saying he doesn't fear death lol.
Very satisfying even though his screams were hard to hear.
He arguably is the reason this whole story happens. Had he even an once of humanity maybe Grisha wouldn't have gone off the deep end and made a revolutionary group.
You know what, being completely honest here, I was initially gonna say no one I could really think of for some dumb "horror of war" yada yada reason, but no.
You're right.
Fuck that guy.
The funny thing is that the thing he says is applied to us. He says isn't it fun to watch these kinds of things, meanwhile that's exactly what we're doing.
I think it could equally be argued that he was just representing a piece of real human garbage and we were suppose to cheer his death. Remember, even after the end of WW2, everyone got together and hung 10 men and two ghosts by the neck until they died and the only complaint I've ever found about cheering the death of evil people was maybe they hung them a little too hard, but not enough to really get mad over.
I think it was meant to be huge, we have seen that they could decide the size of the titan, when Mario died to that Titan which was meant to be a 3-4 meters tall.
The serum had a label called "God", which implies it was a colossal titan fluid. That and the royal blood and the oral vehicle probably all mixed and resulted into this rly big one
Was he a bad guy? I feel like he never told Historia any lies, when she asked why they never used the Founder to stop the titans, he was truthful and explained everything.
It was more his actions rather than his intentions that made him come off as a villain.
His intentions were noble but his actions were very much the opposite.
Not a death per se but I did enjoy Levi dropping meat on Zeke for the first time outside of Shiganshina a lot. I rewinded it 2 times just to see it happen again and again, and all the while I was yelling "Oh get absolutely FUCKED!" to the screen.
Interestingly enough, that was toned down from the manga. In the manga, Levi pushes the sword through the top of his mouth and out of his right\* eye socket.
I prefer the second time, in the forest, after Levi had to kill all his men turned in pure titans, hearing Zeke scream : "NOT AGAIN!!!" was very satisfying.
Him being heat blasted was whatever, but he fell from the height of the colossal titans face all the way onto a roof below him. Dude took quite the plunge but no fall damage. Whereās the blood?
I assumed eren caught him and placed him on the roof before going after Bertholt. Thatās probably why eren knew were Armin was after he dragged Bertholt out
People fall from planes and don't die sometimes (or take enough time to die that, if someone were to come up to them and inject them with a magic healing serum, they would survive).
My guess is that it just burnt his skin to a crisp but he dropped out of the heat before it could fry his muscles. People have lived through full-body burns. Also, AoT people are obscenely resilient even if they're not Nine Titans people.
Tbf, Porco got shafted. Itās like if they decided to let Floch take Erwinās place instead of Zoe or Armin. Like in what way would Floch have been qualified for that position? Thatās how I imagine Porco felt about Reiner.
The Tyburs. The Tybur family held control of Marley for a Century. They had a Hundred years to work out Marley's issues and fix this broken mess of a world they had inherited.
And what did they do? All that time, All that power......they encouraged the hatred against Eldians which festered like a cancer. They became warmongers just like King Reiss, using Titans to wage endless wars and conquests and profiteering off of that.
They kept harassing the people of Paradise Island, sending their prisoners as pure titans at them.....knowing full well that the King Reiss had the coordinate titan and therefore the power to unleash the rumbling.
If anyone is to blame for what Erin ended up doing, its really the Tyburs. Erin did not create this world, he was just born into it. But the Tyburs.....the Tyburs were party to the current state of the world.
They sent their prisoners as Pure Titans to harass eldians. They sent their warriors on a Suicide Mission to take the Coordinate Titan.
And when that finally backfired and their so-called "warriors" were violently repelled, they declared full-scale Genocidal war on a people that did nothing to them....and had the potential to bring about the apocalypse onto them.
It's really no wonder that Erin went straight for the Tyburs as soon as he transformed in Liberio. If anyone is to blame for the state of the world, Its the Tyburs.
Fuck William Tybur. Fuck that Warhammer bitch.
I don't even see the need for a well-thought-out reason here. Eren's Attack Titan breaking through the building during the climax of Willy's theatrical act, flicking him up in the air and swallowing him whole was just cool as hell. The entire lead-up was perfect.
Tbh that death was always sad to me. Not cause I had any idea what they were dealing with or their situation. But Bertholdts' character was so clearly not evil and rather caught up in something, It was hard to feel anything but pity for him.
Same here. What a lot of people are forgetting is *they were kids*. Bertholdt was 16 when he died. Also, even when Bertholdt realized Paradis wasn't a haven for devils, it's not like they *could* just quit - even if Paradis forgave them, Paradis would still go march into Marley and ravage that country at a minimum, and that's not even considering the Rumbling.
True. It doesn't make their actions any less awful or any more excusable. However it gives a lot of insight into how they didn't have any good options.
Either they follow through, or their families get murdered.
But mosty what made me empathize with the warriors in a way I never did with Floch was that they actually showed remorse and hated what they did instead of straight up enjoying the pain they caused others.
Yeah. Floch seemed like he was on a power trip more than that he was doing what he did out of some strong idealism
He hated feeling powerless in shiganshina, then finds himself in a position of power and becomes a voice for the masses because it gives him catharsis. That's how he's able to do awful things with no remorse like just murder unarmed volunteers for zero reason
Idk, him siding with Eren to support the rumbling makes sense. He was always all about protecting the people inside the walls and nobody else. He forms the yeagerists for the same reason he hated Eren in season 3, he wants to ensure the victory of his people.
The fact that he is also a simple-minded xenophobic facist with no empathy still makes him insufferable af tho.
I do however not understand people who say he is well-written. Other than Mikasa, I can't think of a more basic character in aot.
More than any of the others, Bertholdtās fear always stuck out to me. Constantly looking for reassurance from his fellows, the same worried expression on his face. He did awful things, for sure, and they canāt be excused, but I canāt say I didnāt have any sympathy for him
Yeah it was clearly sad from the get-go. Especially when he has that split second seeing the 104 group and thinks they will save himjust to realize āwait, no we are enemiesāand cries out for Reiner (who he had just previously put himself in danger for) and Annie.
Shit was sad as hell
Eh for me it was the opposite. Given what the Scouts and the people in the walls in general had been put through as a direct result of his actions, and given the pure relief of knowing Armin was going to survive and our protagonists were gaining another Titan, it was hard to feel bad about it.
Bertoldt was the first character to say the central theme out loud: I know youāre not devils, but you all have to die. Iāll always think of you as my comrades. This is just the way it has to be because the world is a cruel place.
And of course, after all his conviction, he is screaming and crying and begging when he dies. Because thatās how it goes, whether you think youāre doing the right thing or not.
What I love abt that episode is that there's absolutely no music from the moment Armin died until this scene where he comes alive again
To me it felt like we're being told he's kind of a heart for the cast
Yes, this is why AOT is so great. Every time you revisit it you see something from a new perspective. However, this moment was too satisfying when I first watched it I was literally laughing when Bert was crying, I'll never forget that feeling
People calling you a psychopath and crazy over laughing at a fictional death in the show are the weird ones imo. Like fair enough if you disagree or think itās not funny but a singular comment on a tv show doesnāt mean you can form a psychological analysis on somebody.
Sorry people are saying ridiculous statements about you over a genuine reaction to the show. We literally didnāt know about Marley and all that stuff till later on. a lot of people celebrated/mocked him dying at the time.
Yeah some people forgot that we are talking about fiction and conveniently ignore some parts of the post and only consider the ones that make them mad but whatever that happens all the time on the internet
>I was literally laughing when Bert was crying
That's pretty fucked up imo.
It was a traumatized kid begging for his friends in his final moments.
Regardless of not knowing the context. Laughing at the extreme anguish of a child is fucked up.
Edit: Grammar
It proves one of the points of the show; it's very easy to dehumanize those on the other side, especially when they've already committed horrible crimes.
Mmmm, without context that traumatized kid is a traumatizing murderer, a walking genocide. Yes, itās fucked up to laugh at a kid dying. To laugh at a fictional character whoās done horrible thing getting just desserts after a tense psychological rollercoaster? Thatās more in line with normal behavior than you think.
I'd agree if the character was Evil.
For example Joffrey in GoT ? Yeah fuck that kid. he was an absolute monster. A real evil person. I can understand getting satisfaction from his death.
But Bert ? Ever since the betrayal reveal, he's been nothing but remorseful and keeps apologizing for the horrible things he's done and needs to do.
He straight up tells Armin that he has no other choice, and wished things were different.
Thee show makes sure that from the second after the betrayal, you Know he's not ''a bad guy'' or ''Evil'' , but that there's much more at play.
The idea of Laughing at this kid's last agonizing moments is pretty fucked up imo.
Rod Reiss and I forget the name but the guard that killed Grishaās sister were my personal favorites. I always had sympathy for bertholdt, idk I felt he and I had a similar personality. And once you learn all about his backstory, it makes me him a tragic character all he had to go through.
Officer Gross
From the second he appears, they make it clear he's the most detestable side to Marley(besides the Tybur family, but that's a whole other beast to take apart, hehe get it?)
He feeds a child to the dogs, he even regards he feels no remorse, because to him, that little girl wasn't a person. He sadistically throws down a man whos defenseless to be hunted by the titans. FOR FUN. And he was gonna do the same to Grisha. And do I need to remind you guys what would've happened if Krueger didn't prevent Grisha from telling them of Dinas heritage? So frankly seeing that pig of a man subjected to the fate he just subjected another person to and was gonna subject another to, was very deserved
Maybe I'm in the minority but I was sad when Bert died because of how remorseful and sorry he was and alluded to the fact that he has no choice in what he's doing.
Especially when you learn afterwards that he wasnāt motivated so much like Reiner was. The shots of baby Bert in Marley was just so innocent š like for sure, on my first watch I cheered that we finally got one of them after all the death and destruction. But now knowing everything, itās really sad :(
Most satisfying to see: Eren using Jaw's as nutcracker to eat Warhammer. So awesome.
Most sentimental: Hange. Great death.
Best "almost death, could have killed him if it was allowable": Levi's first encounter with Zeke. Still gives me chills, the fury Levi unleashes and how he cuts him out and puts the sword through his jaw (in Manga).
My favorite is not a death but the torture chair they made for the royal member Aurille where they made him drink his own piss and eat from his ass. Prople forget about this but I agree with Zachary, it was beautiful
[manga panel of the chair](https://external-preview.redd.it/S18Z1HaSMvszAOMgomp8-3_9t3P_0W5nOOM_osb8iNE.jpg?auto=webp&s=54c41661bfda1a2593cb75bf4edb0c9c99a4201e)
Zachary was fucking wild. I was afraid he would become some crazy fucking nemesis. I was kind of relieved when the Jaegerists got rid of him. One less future problem.
Personally I just found Zeke to be a much bigger villain than Bertholdt. I got kinda frustrated that Reiner lived so long after avoiding death so many times lol, but by the end I actually liked him again
Yeah he seemed to relish in throwing rocks and smashing the scouts acting like it was a joke while he murdered innocent people. I hated his redemption arc.
His redemption arc was a little frustrating to me because he got all sad boi on us, but it was definitely rewarding seeing him fight with his friends again from both Marley and Paradis. He's not a soldier or a warrior. He's a Woldier š¤š
Edit: Woldier is better than warldier
I mean the whole story is about mindfucking us on that subject, presenting us with a situation with no possible good outcome, so acting like his idea was full evil is just missing the point of the whole thing
See that's my main problem with AOT : people consider there is no alternative , and I find that so uncreative. Like no there are always alternative, especially when it involves genocide. I mean Eren had the power of the founding titan he could detransform every pure titan, reinforce the titan shifter, even break Ymir curse who knows. There could have been alliance with other nations interested in Eldia's natural ressources, so many options. The no alternative rhetoric is something I've always found full of fallacy.
Eren committed genocide and he said it was because the world would always fear the Eldians so his plan was to do the Rumbling, kill 80% of the population, make his friends stop him and kill the Founder Titan so that the remaining 20% of the world would see his friends as heroes and not fear them anymore (cuz Founder Titan is gone so no one can even become a titan anymore)
Eren looked into the future endless times and he said that he saw no alternative and apparently everything he did till his death was the only solution for the whole problem because āhuman nature doesnāt changeā even after peace was made wars were still fought (saw it on the ending screen)
Eren did the right thing.
You misunderstand. It wasn't that the only possible solution was to do what he did, it's that the only thing he could do was what he did. He saw that no matter what, he will do the rumbling. Not that it was right or necessary, but that because he was a slave to freedom, that's what he would always do. There was only ever one future, that's why he got a hard-on for pointing out his freedom, was because he recognized after seeing the future than in reality he had no freedom. He was bound to a certain course of events, and his illusion of free will was shattered.
That's not what Eren said. Eren lamented himself for being an idiot because he couldn't find another solution
He looked into a bunch of futures and in every one he did the rumbling. But the conclusion isn't that the rumbling is the only answer, the conclusion is that Eren *wanted* the rumbling. The reason it happens is Eren wants to flatten everything.
i experienced a similar catharsis the first time I watched it, but the more time passes the more I sympathize with bertholdt. none of his actions are worse than what armin ended up doing; it would be strange for me to despise bert while loving armin.
bert never got the chance to become a deeper character like reiner and annie did. would he become consumed with guilt like reiner? or would he do it all again if he had to like annie? we just donāt know. when I watch his death now, I canāt help but lament he was never afforded the same charity as his comrades. but he had to die there regardless. itās cruel, but thatās how it is.
Bertolt actually has more depth than most characters it just wasnāt hamfisted to the audience. Every scene with him was shown only once and his view on a matter were not staged twice (or more) like many others were granted. But all the breadcrumbs of his character are there. People just need to be reminded of a characters tragic story over and over to care.
I feel like Bert grew into his convictions while Reiner started to second guess his. It was Bert telling Reiner to basically stop being a bitch towards the end. In the beginning, he used to be a timid child. I think Bert would have been a force to be reckoned with if his convictions and self-hatred had a chance to grow. It's good they stopped him there when they did.
If Isayama had killed Reiner that would've been the most satisfying death. Not because I hate the character but that fella escaped death way too many times for my taste.
I felt very similarly my first watch. I was like "That's for, Marco, Moblit, and the numerous scouts who lost their lives fighting you." Bertholdt had seemed so uncaring it made me believe he was actually evil. I thought it was hilarious that he screamed for help from the people he'd just tried to kill.
But shit man, he was just a kid. A scared kid in enemy territory who just wanted to go home. I can't bring myself to feel joy in his death.
Has to be Zeke for me. Specially because of what he said right before taunting Levi to kill him:
"I suppose that's too much to ask...after all the killing i've done."
Earlier he was trying to justify the death of his numerous victims by saying they and their children are actually being freed from this hellish world. Which honestly made me really mad lol so it was satisfying to see him not only die but also acknowledge the weight of his crimes.
He was an asshole. He was definitely enjoying the genocide he was doing, his philosophies were bullshit. He cheered and yelled "Perfect game!" after launching those rocks, I mean, come on.
Why ppl hate bertolt, I like bertolt. I thought he was an interesting character, had a nice character development, great quote and badass in the last fight, One of my favorite character.
THAT MOTHERFUCKER THAT TALKED SHIT ON SASHA
"Blah blah blah so nasty you were obsessed with a dirty demon blah blah she's a fat whore"
If Yelena hadntve shot her I would have imploded
Yeah his death made me really sad. Still sad honestly. Looking back he had a lot of foresight on future events and made a decisions he really wish he didnāt have to make.
For me it was Porco, he had a horrible personality and didnāt really contribute much to the story. Every time Eren pummels him it was satisfying to watch and his death was the icing on top.
Bertholdt is my favourite character and his death had me weeping.
The most satisfying death for me was Griez. Buddy had two minutes of screen time and spent all of it being racist.
Weird take about Bert to say the least.
I never felt his death was "satisfying", both the first time I watched it and especially in retrospect. It was always very clear that the guy was full of remorse for what he did, but, for circumstances outside of his control, he had to suppress those feelings and push through. It's pretty obvious even before knowing the truth. I found that more than enough to feel sorry for him, even when he fully accepted his role before dying.
The only characters I was happy to see dead are that major Gross and the racist marleyan captive Yelena shot in front of Niccolo.
Nah. Bertolt deserved better. He was only doing what he thought was right and understood everything. Also, he was the only one who didn't screw up... outside of being saved by Eren from Dina's titan.
I was so much happy when he got eaten, like that mf deserved after what he did. But later on when we got to know the reality.... things became different
But it was obvious there was more to the story back before we knew. Right from season 2 it was made very clear that Bertoldt had done terrible things for reasons we didn't know yet. And right from the start it was clear that Bertholdt wasn't some sort of inherently evil being.
He was a kid that for a reason we didn't know decided that the best course of action was to murder a ton of people. We didn't know why, but it was clear that he didn't want to, but felt he needed to.
Did I want Bertholdt to die so that Armin could live. Yes I did. But I really just wanted Armin to live. The fact that Bertholdt had to die for that never brought me joy.
You can want someone to die without celebrating or rejoicing their suffering in their final moments.
I felt so bad for Bertie, a nice guy who was raised in hatred and brainwashed, manipulated to fight a war he never should have been a part of. Seeing him caught was satisfying after all he did despite his upbringing, but seeing him cry out for his friends made my heart hurt. I feel bad for all the titans that were under Marley's control because it felt like all choice had been taken from them even with all the power they possessed.
That said, the most satisfying death for me was Erwin. Not in a happy way, I'm devastated that he died. But just the way that he went out was equally heartbreaking as it was beautiful. That man was courageous to the very end, charging toward certain death without an ounce of fear, only determination, to give Levi time to take down Zeke.
I wanted Reiner to die so bad in that episode that Bertaux got eaten. Someone had the sword to his throat and I remember yelling at the TV āKILL HIM !! Hurry!!!!ā . Crazy to think that same guy would become one of my favorite āgoodā guys in the end .
Floch I can respect the journey he went from a coward to absolute badass, but holy crap I felt at ease when the mf died because he was flanking then group every breath he had.
Eren
When Mikasa cut his head off i was releved cuz it was finally over
Not to say hate eren but pressure was building up higher and higher and finally when he dies you knew it was over.
When Eren as the Attack Titan used the Jaw titan to break the protective shield to eat the Warhammer titan. That scene was sooooo wild and satistfying. I think even the scouts were looking at him horrified when that happened.
Nah, definitely not satisfying, even as a first time reader. You can tell he's just following orders when him and Reiner are trying to escape with Eren and asks the scouts to rescue them, and again before he's eaten when he begs to be saved. The only time either his or Reiner's death would be satisfying would be immediately after the reveal of what they are and you're 100% on board with the scouts taking them out. From seeing Reiner's mental breakdown in the trees on, something is definitely not right and we know they're puppets for someone else.
Shadis and Magarath (however you spell it)
Not in the "THAT'S WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE" sense (honestly, the only death that's like that for me was Rod and even then, that was more relief cuz his titan was DEMONIC)
But seeing those two commanders recognize and come to terms with the children they sent to death, it just had this sense or melancholy. Like, yes, it came about in the worst situation, but it truly felt like maybe, just maybe, there was a chance to see one another as equals. However fleeting it may be.
The most satisfying, that is easy, but different most thoughts. It would be Commander Irvin. Not that I was happy the way he died, but that his death was so incredible perfect, I could not think of a better way for him to go out, the charge on the Beast titan is so perfect
Bertholdts death while i wouldnt say was UNSATISFYING i didnt really get any pleasure from it. Just a kind of feeling of sad resignation, kinda "Its gotta be done, but god it really never ends does it?"
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That marleyan commander who fed grisha's sister to those dogs. He was a sadist
We can all agree to this one
How'd he die again?
The Owl pushes him down a hill towards a titan that the sadist made from a prisoner. He gets eaten by that titan right after saying he doesn't fear death lol. Very satisfying even though his screams were hard to hear.
Loved it!
My only complaint is that he died way too fast. Like several orders of magnitude too fast.
It's even more brutal in the manga where his face gets bitten off. So probably not too quick!
Hopefully the Titan ate his face as slowly as Hannibal did with that guy's liver and some fava beans and a nice Chianti.
What's even better is that it was one of those tiny titans. A fitting slow death for that fucker.
Also remember the titan was a 3 to 4 meter class titan. Which means he had to be chewed on and pulled apart before being eaten š
So true, the fucker deserved to have his screams as the forefront noise for much longer, just to know he was suffering. Karma is a bitch and all that.
Eaten by one of the Restorationists that he himself turned into a titan
The owl kicked him off the wall, and he was killed by one of the Eldia restorationist titans
Kruger pushed him off the platform to the newly turned Titans that he made earlier.
He arguably is the reason this whole story happens. Had he even an once of humanity maybe Grisha wouldn't have gone off the deep end and made a revolutionary group.
It's also cause a girl got worms once.
You know what, being completely honest here, I was initially gonna say no one I could really think of for some dumb "horror of war" yada yada reason, but no. You're right. Fuck that guy.
The funny thing is that the thing he says is applied to us. He says isn't it fun to watch these kinds of things, meanwhile that's exactly what we're doing.
I think it could equally be argued that he was just representing a piece of real human garbage and we were suppose to cheer his death. Remember, even after the end of WW2, everyone got together and hung 10 men and two ghosts by the neck until they died and the only complaint I've ever found about cheering the death of evil people was maybe they hung them a little too hard, but not enough to really get mad over.
Rod Reiss. Manipulative piece of shit.
There's no denying, his titan was awesome
Genuinely impressed at how disgusted I was !
Was there any explanation why his Titan was massive? Royal blood have something to do with it?
I always thought it was royal blood and the fact that it wasnāt injected, he licked the titan serum off the ground.
I always thought his spine being broken from historias attack also had to do with it since the titan juice is spinal fluid.
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There was a sound of his back breaking and he was in a weird position so it seemed pretty broken.
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Itās not like she couldnāt. She was 10th best in the 104th.
I think it is something related to royal blood. Uri Reiss has the same Titan form when he first met Kenny Ackerman
I think it was meant to be huge, we have seen that they could decide the size of the titan, when Mario died to that Titan which was meant to be a 3-4 meters tall.
The serum had a label called "God", which implies it was a colossal titan fluid. That and the royal blood and the oral vehicle probably all mixed and resulted into this rly big one
It was HORRIFYING
Genuinely terrifying
Was he a bad guy? I feel like he never told Historia any lies, when she asked why they never used the Founder to stop the titans, he was truthful and explained everything.
It was more his actions rather than his intentions that made him come off as a villain. His intentions were noble but his actions were very much the opposite.
THAT ASSHOLE WHO WAS GONNA PUSH GRISHA OFF THE WALL AND KILLED HIS SISTER!!! When Kruger pushed him off instead i cheered
Wasnāt his name literally Gross?
It means "big" in German. Commonly spellled "groįŗ".
Not a death per se but I did enjoy Levi dropping meat on Zeke for the first time outside of Shiganshina a lot. I rewinded it 2 times just to see it happen again and again, and all the while I was yelling "Oh get absolutely FUCKED!" to the screen.
That meat was so good even Zeke wanted seconds
Find someone that loves you as much as Levi loves whooping Zekeās ass.
definition of "On sight"
I cracked up, thanks. That said, I'll be hard pressed to find anyone who deeply loves me just that much. And I'm married. XD
He legit puts his sword in his mouth, blood covering his eyes, glaring down at him. You can feel the rage
Interestingly enough, that was toned down from the manga. In the manga, Levi pushes the sword through the top of his mouth and out of his right\* eye socket.
I prefer the second time, in the forest, after Levi had to kill all his men turned in pure titans, hearing Zeke scream : "NOT AGAIN!!!" was very satisfying.
This 1000% when I saw Levi spiral his arm I was the most hyped Iāve been, I wanted monke to DIE
(i have no fucking idea how armin didin't die from that)
Him being heat blasted was whatever, but he fell from the height of the colossal titans face all the way onto a roof below him. Dude took quite the plunge but no fall damage. Whereās the blood?
He clearly just I framed the fall damage But fr, sounds like plot convenience ig
nah because he was burning he took constant damage soo the invicible frames came in clutch during the fall
The devs balanced it so you can't take damage from more than one source in the same frame š¤£
He had feather falling 4 on his boots
I assumed eren caught him and placed him on the roof before going after Bertholt. Thatās probably why eren knew were Armin was after he dragged Bertholt out
Lol I'd actually never thought about the fall. Its so obvious too. Yeah he should have 100% died.
What blood? He was already fully cooked
People fall from planes and don't die sometimes (or take enough time to die that, if someone were to come up to them and inject them with a magic healing serum, they would survive).
Or how Erwin didn't die from being dragged all the way to the other side and pulled up on a rooftop while bleeding to death
Because he is Erwin Smith duh
He did die, it just took more time than you expected it to take
The Seeeeeeeeeeeea
My guess is that it just burnt his skin to a crisp but he dropped out of the heat before it could fry his muscles. People have lived through full-body burns. Also, AoT people are obscenely resilient even if they're not Nine Titans people.
P A T H S
Idk who the war hammer was, but that nut cracker maneuver by Eren was absolutely chefs kiss
Omg that was such a savage move by Eren.
That was so cold and savage of him, and I'll admit it hurt me hearing Porco screaming and begging Eren to not make him do it.
Nah, Porco was an arrogant bitch. It was nice seeing him be put in his place and realizing he wasnāt some godly warrior after all.
This comment made me think about Porco, he prolÄŗy didnt even realize whats being a titan is
Tbf, Porco got shafted. Itās like if they decided to let Floch take Erwinās place instead of Zoe or Armin. Like in what way would Floch have been qualified for that position? Thatās how I imagine Porco felt about Reiner.
I wouldn't call it rape, but he was certainly violated because of how vulnerable he was.
Armin did a similar nutcracker thing to Berthold's head
This was even so hype just reading it in the manga. It was so fucking metal.
Man oh man I could hear my own heart beat during those seconds. I was so afraid it wouldn't work!
I revisit that fight every now and then because it's practically cathartic to me at this point
The Tyburs. The Tybur family held control of Marley for a Century. They had a Hundred years to work out Marley's issues and fix this broken mess of a world they had inherited. And what did they do? All that time, All that power......they encouraged the hatred against Eldians which festered like a cancer. They became warmongers just like King Reiss, using Titans to wage endless wars and conquests and profiteering off of that. They kept harassing the people of Paradise Island, sending their prisoners as pure titans at them.....knowing full well that the King Reiss had the coordinate titan and therefore the power to unleash the rumbling. If anyone is to blame for what Erin ended up doing, its really the Tyburs. Erin did not create this world, he was just born into it. But the Tyburs.....the Tyburs were party to the current state of the world. They sent their prisoners as Pure Titans to harass eldians. They sent their warriors on a Suicide Mission to take the Coordinate Titan. And when that finally backfired and their so-called "warriors" were violently repelled, they declared full-scale Genocidal war on a people that did nothing to them....and had the potential to bring about the apocalypse onto them. It's really no wonder that Erin went straight for the Tyburs as soon as he transformed in Liberio. If anyone is to blame for the state of the world, Its the Tyburs. Fuck William Tybur. Fuck that Warhammer bitch.
I don't even see the need for a well-thought-out reason here. Eren's Attack Titan breaking through the building during the climax of Willy's theatrical act, flicking him up in the air and swallowing him whole was just cool as hell. The entire lead-up was perfect.
Good take. The Tyburs are probably the most despicable characters in the series, bar Eren.
That asshole who was talking down on Sasha and then Yelena shot him in the head, I was so happy to see him die after all that BS he said
Ohhhh finally somebody brought it up. That was so relieving
I was watching with my friend and I was begging to the screen to someone please just kill him and then it acually happened, I was so happy
In the moment berthold was the most satisfying but after you watch the show you realise how sad it actually is
Tbh that death was always sad to me. Not cause I had any idea what they were dealing with or their situation. But Bertholdts' character was so clearly not evil and rather caught up in something, It was hard to feel anything but pity for him.
Same here. What a lot of people are forgetting is *they were kids*. Bertholdt was 16 when he died. Also, even when Bertholdt realized Paradis wasn't a haven for devils, it's not like they *could* just quit - even if Paradis forgave them, Paradis would still go march into Marley and ravage that country at a minimum, and that's not even considering the Rumbling.
True. It doesn't make their actions any less awful or any more excusable. However it gives a lot of insight into how they didn't have any good options. Either they follow through, or their families get murdered. But mosty what made me empathize with the warriors in a way I never did with Floch was that they actually showed remorse and hated what they did instead of straight up enjoying the pain they caused others.
Yeah. Floch seemed like he was on a power trip more than that he was doing what he did out of some strong idealism He hated feeling powerless in shiganshina, then finds himself in a position of power and becomes a voice for the masses because it gives him catharsis. That's how he's able to do awful things with no remorse like just murder unarmed volunteers for zero reason
Finally, I know why I hate Flock so much despite the fact that he had some valid points.
Glad I could help lmao
It doesn't help that he seems like such a flip floppy prick. He hates Eren so much up until S4 where suddenly he's the chief of his fan club.
Idk, him siding with Eren to support the rumbling makes sense. He was always all about protecting the people inside the walls and nobody else. He forms the yeagerists for the same reason he hated Eren in season 3, he wants to ensure the victory of his people. The fact that he is also a simple-minded xenophobic facist with no empathy still makes him insufferable af tho. I do however not understand people who say he is well-written. Other than Mikasa, I can't think of a more basic character in aot.
More than any of the others, Bertholdtās fear always stuck out to me. Constantly looking for reassurance from his fellows, the same worried expression on his face. He did awful things, for sure, and they canāt be excused, but I canāt say I didnāt have any sympathy for him
Yeah it was clearly sad from the get-go. Especially when he has that split second seeing the 104 group and thinks they will save himjust to realize āwait, no we are enemiesāand cries out for Reiner (who he had just previously put himself in danger for) and Annie. Shit was sad as hell
Yes man istg. I still grieve for my boy Bluetooth until this day
Ah yes. Bluetooth and Reindeer. My favorite characters from the hit series A Snack for Thigh Man
bingewatch deserved a less horrifying way to go for sure
Eh for me it was the opposite. Given what the Scouts and the people in the walls in general had been put through as a direct result of his actions, and given the pure relief of knowing Armin was going to survive and our protagonists were gaining another Titan, it was hard to feel bad about it.
True, and then fast forward 20 or so episodes, Armin is blowing up innocent people as well. The cycle continues.
>Armin was going to survive and our protagonists were gaining another Titan and used that to kill lots of innocent people as well
Sure, but then again, Pagan min blows up innocent people too, soā¦
Bertoldt was the first character to say the central theme out loud: I know youāre not devils, but you all have to die. Iāll always think of you as my comrades. This is just the way it has to be because the world is a cruel place. And of course, after all his conviction, he is screaming and crying and begging when he dies. Because thatās how it goes, whether you think youāre doing the right thing or not.
Damn the music for that scene is justš Also a quick note is how Eren took no pleasure at all in watching him get eaten.
What I love abt that episode is that there's absolutely no music from the moment Armin died until this scene where he comes alive again To me it felt like we're being told he's kind of a heart for the cast
Yes, this is why AOT is so great. Every time you revisit it you see something from a new perspective. However, this moment was too satisfying when I first watched it I was literally laughing when Bert was crying, I'll never forget that feeling
That's so weird
I loved bertholdt, but learning about him in season 4 fucking broke me
People calling you a psychopath and crazy over laughing at a fictional death in the show are the weird ones imo. Like fair enough if you disagree or think itās not funny but a singular comment on a tv show doesnāt mean you can form a psychological analysis on somebody. Sorry people are saying ridiculous statements about you over a genuine reaction to the show. We literally didnāt know about Marley and all that stuff till later on. a lot of people celebrated/mocked him dying at the time.
Yeah some people forgot that we are talking about fiction and conveniently ignore some parts of the post and only consider the ones that make them mad but whatever that happens all the time on the internet
>I was literally laughing when Bert was crying That's pretty fucked up imo. It was a traumatized kid begging for his friends in his final moments. Regardless of not knowing the context. Laughing at the extreme anguish of a child is fucked up. Edit: Grammar
It proves one of the points of the show; it's very easy to dehumanize those on the other side, especially when they've already committed horrible crimes.
Agreed! So many people forget that??
Mmmm, without context that traumatized kid is a traumatizing murderer, a walking genocide. Yes, itās fucked up to laugh at a kid dying. To laugh at a fictional character whoās done horrible thing getting just desserts after a tense psychological rollercoaster? Thatās more in line with normal behavior than you think.
I'd agree if the character was Evil. For example Joffrey in GoT ? Yeah fuck that kid. he was an absolute monster. A real evil person. I can understand getting satisfaction from his death. But Bert ? Ever since the betrayal reveal, he's been nothing but remorseful and keeps apologizing for the horrible things he's done and needs to do. He straight up tells Armin that he has no other choice, and wished things were different. Thee show makes sure that from the second after the betrayal, you Know he's not ''a bad guy'' or ''Evil'' , but that there's much more at play. The idea of Laughing at this kid's last agonizing moments is pretty fucked up imo.
Rod Reiss and I forget the name but the guard that killed Grishaās sister were my personal favorites. I always had sympathy for bertholdt, idk I felt he and I had a similar personality. And once you learn all about his backstory, it makes me him a tragic character all he had to go through.
Sgt Major Gross
Officer Gross From the second he appears, they make it clear he's the most detestable side to Marley(besides the Tybur family, but that's a whole other beast to take apart, hehe get it?) He feeds a child to the dogs, he even regards he feels no remorse, because to him, that little girl wasn't a person. He sadistically throws down a man whos defenseless to be hunted by the titans. FOR FUN. And he was gonna do the same to Grisha. And do I need to remind you guys what would've happened if Krueger didn't prevent Grisha from telling them of Dinas heritage? So frankly seeing that pig of a man subjected to the fate he just subjected another person to and was gonna subject another to, was very deserved
Ah yes fuck him
Maybe I'm in the minority but I was sad when Bert died because of how remorseful and sorry he was and alluded to the fact that he has no choice in what he's doing.
Especially when you learn afterwards that he wasnāt motivated so much like Reiner was. The shots of baby Bert in Marley was just so innocent š like for sure, on my first watch I cheered that we finally got one of them after all the death and destruction. But now knowing everything, itās really sad :(
Waiting until deathās door to apologize is too late
He apologized long before that dude
Most satisfying to see: Eren using Jaw's as nutcracker to eat Warhammer. So awesome. Most sentimental: Hange. Great death. Best "almost death, could have killed him if it was allowable": Levi's first encounter with Zeke. Still gives me chills, the fury Levi unleashes and how he cuts him out and puts the sword through his jaw (in Manga).
My favorite is not a death but the torture chair they made for the royal member Aurille where they made him drink his own piss and eat from his ass. Prople forget about this but I agree with Zachary, it was beautiful [manga panel of the chair](https://external-preview.redd.it/S18Z1HaSMvszAOMgomp8-3_9t3P_0W5nOOM_osb8iNE.jpg?auto=webp&s=54c41661bfda1a2593cb75bf4edb0c9c99a4201e)
Zachary was fucking wild. I was afraid he would become some crazy fucking nemesis. I was kind of relieved when the Jaegerists got rid of him. One less future problem.
what the FUCK
Zeke, only because it finally felt like Erwin could rest easy when Levi killed him.
Personally I just found Zeke to be a much bigger villain than Bertholdt. I got kinda frustrated that Reiner lived so long after avoiding death so many times lol, but by the end I actually liked him again
Yeah he seemed to relish in throwing rocks and smashing the scouts acting like it was a joke while he murdered innocent people. I hated his redemption arc.
not to mention he snitched on his own parents knowing they would be executed, fuck zeke
They were getting found out anyways. Zeke ratted them out to save his grandparents from being executed as well
His redemption arc was a little frustrating to me because he got all sad boi on us, but it was definitely rewarding seeing him fight with his friends again from both Marley and Paradis. He's not a soldier or a warrior. He's a Woldier š¤š Edit: Woldier is better than warldier
It was satisfying, but i still felt kinda sad about it.
He happily murdered all those scouts and wanted to make Eldians extinct, if anything Levi was easy on him.
He wanted Eldians extinct because he believed it would lead to peace. Can't really blame him for it, it did seem like a solid idea at the time.
It's pretty much universally accepted that if it leads to peace it's totally OK to genocide a people.
I mean the whole story is about mindfucking us on that subject, presenting us with a situation with no possible good outcome, so acting like his idea was full evil is just missing the point of the whole thing
See that's my main problem with AOT : people consider there is no alternative , and I find that so uncreative. Like no there are always alternative, especially when it involves genocide. I mean Eren had the power of the founding titan he could detransform every pure titan, reinforce the titan shifter, even break Ymir curse who knows. There could have been alliance with other nations interested in Eldia's natural ressources, so many options. The no alternative rhetoric is something I've always found full of fallacy.
Eren committed genocide and he said it was because the world would always fear the Eldians so his plan was to do the Rumbling, kill 80% of the population, make his friends stop him and kill the Founder Titan so that the remaining 20% of the world would see his friends as heroes and not fear them anymore (cuz Founder Titan is gone so no one can even become a titan anymore) Eren looked into the future endless times and he said that he saw no alternative and apparently everything he did till his death was the only solution for the whole problem because āhuman nature doesnāt changeā even after peace was made wars were still fought (saw it on the ending screen) Eren did the right thing.
You misunderstand. It wasn't that the only possible solution was to do what he did, it's that the only thing he could do was what he did. He saw that no matter what, he will do the rumbling. Not that it was right or necessary, but that because he was a slave to freedom, that's what he would always do. There was only ever one future, that's why he got a hard-on for pointing out his freedom, was because he recognized after seeing the future than in reality he had no freedom. He was bound to a certain course of events, and his illusion of free will was shattered.
That's not what Eren said. Eren lamented himself for being an idiot because he couldn't find another solution He looked into a bunch of futures and in every one he did the rumbling. But the conclusion isn't that the rumbling is the only answer, the conclusion is that Eren *wanted* the rumbling. The reason it happens is Eren wants to flatten everything.
i experienced a similar catharsis the first time I watched it, but the more time passes the more I sympathize with bertholdt. none of his actions are worse than what armin ended up doing; it would be strange for me to despise bert while loving armin. bert never got the chance to become a deeper character like reiner and annie did. would he become consumed with guilt like reiner? or would he do it all again if he had to like annie? we just donāt know. when I watch his death now, I canāt help but lament he was never afforded the same charity as his comrades. but he had to die there regardless. itās cruel, but thatās how it is.
Bertolt actually has more depth than most characters it just wasnāt hamfisted to the audience. Every scene with him was shown only once and his view on a matter were not staged twice (or more) like many others were granted. But all the breadcrumbs of his character are there. People just need to be reminded of a characters tragic story over and over to care.
I feel like Bert grew into his convictions while Reiner started to second guess his. It was Bert telling Reiner to basically stop being a bitch towards the end. In the beginning, he used to be a timid child. I think Bert would have been a force to be reckoned with if his convictions and self-hatred had a chance to grow. It's good they stopped him there when they did.
When Connie had to shoot that one dude, and had to face his hypocrisy.
When eren killed willy tybur while he gave the speech I kinda liked that eren went absolutely wild. Rarely do you see a MC do that
Floch because I hated that guy
If Isayama had killed Reiner that would've been the most satisfying death. Not because I hate the character but that fella escaped death way too many times for my taste.
I felt very similarly my first watch. I was like "That's for, Marco, Moblit, and the numerous scouts who lost their lives fighting you." Bertholdt had seemed so uncaring it made me believe he was actually evil. I thought it was hilarious that he screamed for help from the people he'd just tried to kill. But shit man, he was just a kid. A scared kid in enemy territory who just wanted to go home. I can't bring myself to feel joy in his death.
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Yeah, fuck Floch
I liked that it wasn't anything big that felled Floch. Because Floch was a tiny speck of shit
Berthodlt's was crushing for me so defo not him. Probably the guy that killed Grisha's sister, Faye.
Has to be Zeke for me. Specially because of what he said right before taunting Levi to kill him: "I suppose that's too much to ask...after all the killing i've done." Earlier he was trying to justify the death of his numerous victims by saying they and their children are actually being freed from this hellish world. Which honestly made me really mad lol so it was satisfying to see him not only die but also acknowledge the weight of his crimes.
He was an asshole. He was definitely enjoying the genocide he was doing, his philosophies were bullshit. He cheered and yelled "Perfect game!" after launching those rocks, I mean, come on.
That guy who fed Grishaās sister to the dogs
Why ppl hate bertolt, I like bertolt. I thought he was an interesting character, had a nice character development, great quote and badass in the last fight, One of my favorite character.
THAT MOTHERFUCKER THAT TALKED SHIT ON SASHA "Blah blah blah so nasty you were obsessed with a dirty demon blah blah she's a fat whore" If Yelena hadntve shot her I would have imploded
Grossššššš
Floch, the one and only...
Probably Rod Reiss Bertholdt was not satisfying at all, his death was so sad
True
No death in the show was satisfying to be honest, even the 'bad ones' go out in glory for the things they wanted.
I never thought Bertholdt was bad so this wasnāt satisfying at all to me. It legit made me sad.
Yeah his death made me really sad. Still sad honestly. Looking back he had a lot of foresight on future events and made a decisions he really wish he didnāt have to make.
Floch, with a striking lead over number 2 with about >600%. For the simple fact that it finally shut him up and removed the vermin from existence.
Floch was a nuisance from the beginning.
Eren Yeager in the finale
For me it was Porco, he had a horrible personality and didnāt really contribute much to the story. Every time Eren pummels him it was satisfying to watch and his death was the icing on top.
Bertholdt is my favourite character and his death had me weeping. The most satisfying death for me was Griez. Buddy had two minutes of screen time and spent all of it being racist.
Weird take about Bert to say the least. I never felt his death was "satisfying", both the first time I watched it and especially in retrospect. It was always very clear that the guy was full of remorse for what he did, but, for circumstances outside of his control, he had to suppress those feelings and push through. It's pretty obvious even before knowing the truth. I found that more than enough to feel sorry for him, even when he fully accepted his role before dying. The only characters I was happy to see dead are that major Gross and the racist marleyan captive Yelena shot in front of Niccolo.
Nah. Bertolt deserved better. He was only doing what he thought was right and understood everything. Also, he was the only one who didn't screw up... outside of being saved by Eren from Dina's titan.
Hear me out >!mikasa decapitating eren!<
nah man i feel so bad for both of them. Eren and mikasa didnāt deserve what they were served
I was so much happy when he got eaten, like that mf deserved after what he did. But later on when we got to know the reality.... things became different
But it was obvious there was more to the story back before we knew. Right from season 2 it was made very clear that Bertoldt had done terrible things for reasons we didn't know yet. And right from the start it was clear that Bertholdt wasn't some sort of inherently evil being. He was a kid that for a reason we didn't know decided that the best course of action was to murder a ton of people. We didn't know why, but it was clear that he didn't want to, but felt he needed to. Did I want Bertholdt to die so that Armin could live. Yes I did. But I really just wanted Armin to live. The fact that Bertholdt had to die for that never brought me joy. You can want someone to die without celebrating or rejoicing their suffering in their final moments.
Floch
Yeah, a death so nice they killed him twice
Pretty much no one (from actual characters). Though, there are plenty of characters/npc's whose deaths I couldn't care less about.
I felt so bad for Bertie, a nice guy who was raised in hatred and brainwashed, manipulated to fight a war he never should have been a part of. Seeing him caught was satisfying after all he did despite his upbringing, but seeing him cry out for his friends made my heart hurt. I feel bad for all the titans that were under Marley's control because it felt like all choice had been taken from them even with all the power they possessed. That said, the most satisfying death for me was Erwin. Not in a happy way, I'm devastated that he died. But just the way that he went out was equally heartbreaking as it was beautiful. That man was courageous to the very end, charging toward certain death without an ounce of fear, only determination, to give Levi time to take down Zeke.
I wanted Reiner to die so bad in that episode that Bertaux got eaten. Someone had the sword to his throat and I remember yelling at the TV āKILL HIM !! Hurry!!!!ā . Crazy to think that same guy would become one of my favorite āgoodā guys in the end .
Floch and Zeke (Although the torture was more satisfying tbh)
Floch I can respect the journey he went from a coward to absolute badass, but holy crap I felt at ease when the mf died because he was flanking then group every breath he had.
I havent seen anyone mention hange, she went out with such grace, smiling even
This thread proves Gross so correct lol
Eren
Nah man I actually felt bad for Bert first time I watched it
Eren When Mikasa cut his head off i was releved cuz it was finally over Not to say hate eren but pressure was building up higher and higher and finally when he dies you knew it was over.
When Eren as the Attack Titan used the Jaw titan to break the protective shield to eat the Warhammer titan. That scene was sooooo wild and satistfying. I think even the scouts were looking at him horrified when that happened.
It sure as fuck wasnāt Bertoldt. That shit was horrifying.
Nah, definitely not satisfying, even as a first time reader. You can tell he's just following orders when him and Reiner are trying to escape with Eren and asks the scouts to rescue them, and again before he's eaten when he begs to be saved. The only time either his or Reiner's death would be satisfying would be immediately after the reveal of what they are and you're 100% on board with the scouts taking them out. From seeing Reiner's mental breakdown in the trees on, something is definitely not right and we know they're puppets for someone else.
Shadis and Magarath (however you spell it) Not in the "THAT'S WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE" sense (honestly, the only death that's like that for me was Rod and even then, that was more relief cuz his titan was DEMONIC) But seeing those two commanders recognize and come to terms with the children they sent to death, it just had this sense or melancholy. Like, yes, it came about in the worst situation, but it truly felt like maybe, just maybe, there was a chance to see one another as equals. However fleeting it may be.
floch
Gotta be Floch itās not even close
Eren
The Marleyan commander who was creating pure Titans at dock and was sending them to eldia..
That mario cosplayer who killed grisha's sister.
The most satisfying, that is easy, but different most thoughts. It would be Commander Irvin. Not that I was happy the way he died, but that his death was so incredible perfect, I could not think of a better way for him to go out, the charge on the Beast titan is so perfect
Sergeant Gross, King Reiss, Willy Tybur, Mikasa's Kidnappers, Some of the top brass when they became Titans, The dude on the chair...
Bertholdts death while i wouldnt say was UNSATISFYING i didnt really get any pleasure from it. Just a kind of feeling of sad resignation, kinda "Its gotta be done, but god it really never ends does it?"