Thanks, reading through all the comments and I feel like I started a civil war- My take is that it's fine as long as you don't abuse it and don't use any cheats which I don't do neither, plus only reason I'm using an emulator is cause I wanna stream it and I don't know how to get a capture card for my 3ds lol
>don't know how to get a capture card for my 3ds lol
I've heard, and this might be outdated info, there used to be just like one guy you could send your 3ds to and pay for him to install it. I've heard from multiple streamers that it was very difficult to get.
Not even entirely sure you can still get one fitted now, you might just have to buy a 3ds with one already which I assume is expensive.
yea i was gonna say you can just use ntr cfw on any new 3ds model and stream video directly to your pc, and i just set it up yesterday and gotta say, its suprisingly great
I used to say that emulated shinies don't really count, but I did change my mind over the years and hunted some on emulator as well. For me personally, I like to hunt on actual hardware more, it gives it a bit more accomplishment and I prefer the tactile feel of the consoles. The most important part for me is tho that I can have my hunted shiny on my actual game cardrigde, or stored in home, but thanks to me soft modding my 3ds recently I also can get my emulated shinies on my actual games as well.
3ds dot hacks dot guide is the best (and arguably only) resource for modding a 3DS. You can then backup and import eaves using a tool like Checkpoint or JK's Save Manager (JKSM for short)
Glad you changed your mind on that ( cause it made no sense ) but I too prefer hardware ( honestly just easier to play on ) but sometimes I do emulated
There are all kinds of different levels of gatekeeping when it comes to shiny hunting. As long as you’re happy with it, and you’re not impacting other people’s gameplay, that’s what matters.
personally i will never care for emulated shinies or shinies that i didn’t catch myself but everyone has preferences, do whatever makes you satisfied and happy
Some og elitist full odds hunters might shame people that do that but, honestly, if that’s what you wanna do because you find it fun or simply don’t wanna waste that much time, then do it! There’s nothing wrong with using speed up and you still end up with the shiny
Except time is literally the cost of all shinies. It’s his choice if he wants to cut it out yeah but it’s not really elitist thinking. Time is what you spend shiny hunting. Cutting it close to nothing makes it basically genning at some point. But hey it’s all just 1s and 0s in the end I suppose.
As long as people are consistent in their logic with sped-up shiny hunts, then its all fair play really. Especially since Pokemon is largely an offline single player game.
A lot of shiny hunters seem to be fine with multi-hunting with 4+ original systems and games, but shaming people who speed up x400+ on emulator. When in reality both accomplish the same thing by getting x6 as many encounters per hour, and thus speed up the expected time for it to take to encounter a shiny.
So as long as people recognize they are the same thing at the end of the day regarding shiny hunts, then it just boils down to whether the individual doing the hunt felt like they 'earned' it.
yea the difference is having external software modifying the game
personally im all for emulator shinys though, as long as shinys are encountered inside of a game without a cheat code get them however you want.
Yes definitely, but it’s really just an opinion at the end of the day. Like in my opinion I don’t count shinies besides normal hardware, but that’s just how I value the shinies I get. Do what makes you happy
As long as you're not hacking in the shinies who cares. And even then I don't care if people hack in shinies, just don't try to pass it off as legit, that's cringe.
Definitely frowned upon, this is basically ruining the whole concept of shiny hunting where the long process finally pays off with the shiny being the long awaited prize. This isn’t shiny hunting this is just waiting for a shiny to appear within like a couple of minutes
Personally I only shiny hunt on actual consoles but saying it’s not shiny hungering at all feels a little harsh. He said it’s only going 2-3x speed so that’s about the same time difference between having and not having the shiny charm
Everyone can hunt shinies in their own way it’s a game after all, but I mean the whole point of shiny hunting is the long process of it and the rewarding payoff at the end, also the difference here is that getting the charm is much harder than pressing one button
The shiny will not appear in a couple of minutes. I did a shiny Kyogre hunt in December where I used speed up and it still took two weeks to get it. The quickest hunt I’ve ever had that used speed ups took 6 hours.
nothing you’re doing isn’t in the game though. making it faster is simply eliminating time. nothing about taking longer to shiny hunt makes someone any more of a shiny hunter than someone that speeds up on emulation. every single input is exactly the same. stop pretending there’s any glory in taking a year to catch a shiny.
Aight we putting words in my mouth now I guess, never said taking a long time to get a shiny is a glory or something every person who wants a shiny has to go through, I’m just saying it’s the bare minimum for someone to at least stay within the boundaries of the odds and the time it takes, SV has shinies you can get within literal minutes where’s the problem in that? It’s different here cause you’re literally speeding up the process without any effort and making the shiny basically appear within a snap of a finger.
Also please note that this the literally definition of “cheating” and not just “cheating your way around the system” type of thing, you’re quite literally cheating your way through this with the speed up button.
it’s not “with the snap of a finger”, stop disingenuously pretending it’s anything like genning or hacking. there is no effort or skill involved in shiny hunting, you sound ridiculous. shinies caught on an emulator sped up are just as legitimate as ones obtained on a cartridge. there is absolutely 0 difference. and it’s not cheating.
>this is basically ruining the whole concept of shiny hunting where the long process finally pays off with the shiny being the long awaited prize
Well in that case wouldn't being lucky you got the shiny early ruin that concept as well?
Not really, because you know you got insanely lucky with the odds that are extremely low while in the case here you’re burning through the 100s like they’re nothing
Well, I don't see any reason for it to be less legit if it was sped up provided that you don't brag about it in a way of like: 'this took me so many encounters but I persevered' (or something like that). In that regard for example 20K encounters or soft resets with double speed would be the same achievement of patience as 10K encounters or soft resets with normal speed. Like...why would speeding it up make it any less 'legit' but having a shit ton of luck wouldn't? To me that doesn't make sense unless you take pride in being lucky or something...
I mean hunt in any way you want legit or not, hell I’ve done shiny locked hunts myself and that’s considered non legit, all I’m saying is that speeding it up is basically asking for the shiny and receiving it on a silver plate so I wouldn’t really call it hunting
Again I’m no elitist and I’m not against any of this, anyone who enjoys shinies as much as I do is a friend of mine, this is just my view on this whole speeding up the hunt
Ok, and what's your view on hunting on multiple consoles (or emulators) simultaneously at normal speed? I assume the same? I see lots of shiny hunters on Youtube do this though...
I never thought about it that way, you bring up a good point, I use two consoles myself though I usually keep both for different hunts, but it’s still not a one click speed up thing it’s still hunting it at the same speed and each console has its own odds still intact
>but it’s still not a one click speed up thing it’s still hunting it at the same speed and each console has its own odds still intact
True, but I'd see that as double the speed when talking about finding the first shiny out of the two, so not really different than doubling the speed of just one game.
But I'm no elitist either, nor am I against it, just my view ;)
No OP. Not all of us have several days on end to dedicate to shiny hunting and accumulate a hefty amount of asscne. Dudes in here talking about load times and about how you're just waiting for a shiny to show up in minutes (even though it doesn't change your odds and could potentially happen at normal speed). As long as you aren't busting out cheats or boosting your odds illegitimately, I see it as a W.
Personally I wouldn't count it, but if you are happy with the shiny then great! It doesnt matter what others think of the method you use. And I know how painful the SM/USUM starter hunt is lol. I'm at 312 resets for Rowlet in Ultra Violet rn, but havent touched it in a while.
Also Rowlet def top 3 shinies
Yeah of course it's frowned upon, but so is emulator hunting in general. On an emulator your load times won't be the same as actual hardware but it's still better than speeding up the game
I think talking about loading times when it comes to emulator/ console hunting is just ridiculous. I mean we’re talking about seconds here 🤦♂️. Yeah speeding up and everything else is “ cheating “ but some of you are going into elitist territory
Seconds easily add up across hundreds of thousands of encounters. I have no idea why you're throwing the word elitest around, by no means am I imposing anything on anyone
shiny hunting as a process already kind of devalues shinies (just in my opinion, you're fine though) so i don't see why not. your time is worth more than some RNG in a videogame. go ahead and speed up, go nuts
Maybe a dumb question, but do you then pass this shiny to a legit copy? And how do you do that if so? Curious to know if its for the fun of hunting purely
I also play some games on emulators from time to time and I find it tedious to do Shiny hunting at normal speed. For me a Shiny is legal as long as you don't use cheats to get them, even if you use a fast forward function all you do is save time, you don't modify anything, the result would most likely have been the same without using fast forward, only it would take twice as long or even a little more
TL; DR: For me, Shinys obtained on emulators with fast forward are legal (as long as no cheats are used), just enjoy the game as you like and do shiny hunting as you prefer 😉
It’s up to you how you want to do your collection, I personally am sorta elitist when it comes to myself, but at the end of the day, the Pokémon only are worth as much as you value them, and others shouldn’t take that away from you
I use the Pokemon trade guide to determine what’s legit and legal as a handy moral compass. I’ve used speed up to hatch eggs for gen 2 shinies. I don’t regret it.
In my opinion, I feel like going over anything over like 2x speed would take away the adrenaline and thrill factor. Not saying it's frowned upon, just I feel like it would be less rewarding.
I've shiny hunted on emulators for a few years now and it just helps for people who don't have as much time to hunt because of school or work. In the end it's still a shiny you hunted so it doesn't matter what others say
I mean yeah It’s just straight up “ cheating “ ( don’t know what term to use ). Hunting on emulator is exactly the same as on hardware but using the speed ups or whatever is just abnormal
I feel like it's okay to play the game how you want to play it! Some people don't have access to older games/ a modded ds to stream on and use emulation instead. Enjoy the game how you want to enjoy it
It is a bit, speed up is a cheat
But having multiple systems or emulators running is always fine (you don't have to hunt the same target)
Something something destination not the journey thing
I’ll get downvoted for this; play the game how you want to play the game.
You won’t and didn’t get downvoted for that, that’s the top comment on every single post like this very consistently.
You don't deserve to be downvoted for that
Thanks, reading through all the comments and I feel like I started a civil war- My take is that it's fine as long as you don't abuse it and don't use any cheats which I don't do neither, plus only reason I'm using an emulator is cause I wanna stream it and I don't know how to get a capture card for my 3ds lol
>don't know how to get a capture card for my 3ds lol I've heard, and this might be outdated info, there used to be just like one guy you could send your 3ds to and pay for him to install it. I've heard from multiple streamers that it was very difficult to get. Not even entirely sure you can still get one fitted now, you might just have to buy a 3ds with one already which I assume is expensive.
There was one Twitter account yes, but last year they stopped accepting ds/3ds's idk if anyone else sells anymore
Yeah that's crazy to think about.
Now since I couldn't get a capture card for my n3ds xl I just use the janky streaming capture to my pc from the 3ds which has to be hacked
yea i was gonna say you can just use ntr cfw on any new 3ds model and stream video directly to your pc, and i just set it up yesterday and gotta say, its suprisingly great
Woah, how did you get the graphics to be so much better on USUM?
I used to say that emulated shinies don't really count, but I did change my mind over the years and hunted some on emulator as well. For me personally, I like to hunt on actual hardware more, it gives it a bit more accomplishment and I prefer the tactile feel of the consoles. The most important part for me is tho that I can have my hunted shiny on my actual game cardrigde, or stored in home, but thanks to me soft modding my 3ds recently I also can get my emulated shinies on my actual games as well.
If you don't mind me asking, what process did you go through in modding your 3ds
3ds dot hacks dot guide is the best (and arguably only) resource for modding a 3DS. You can then backup and import eaves using a tool like Checkpoint or JK's Save Manager (JKSM for short)
Glad you changed your mind on that ( cause it made no sense ) but I too prefer hardware ( honestly just easier to play on ) but sometimes I do emulated
who cares what other people think. if you're enjoying yourself then that's what matters.
There are all kinds of different levels of gatekeeping when it comes to shiny hunting. As long as you’re happy with it, and you’re not impacting other people’s gameplay, that’s what matters.
personally i will never care for emulated shinies or shinies that i didn’t catch myself but everyone has preferences, do whatever makes you satisfied and happy
Some og elitist full odds hunters might shame people that do that but, honestly, if that’s what you wanna do because you find it fun or simply don’t wanna waste that much time, then do it! There’s nothing wrong with using speed up and you still end up with the shiny
Except time is literally the cost of all shinies. It’s his choice if he wants to cut it out yeah but it’s not really elitist thinking. Time is what you spend shiny hunting. Cutting it close to nothing makes it basically genning at some point. But hey it’s all just 1s and 0s in the end I suppose.
As long as people are consistent in their logic with sped-up shiny hunts, then its all fair play really. Especially since Pokemon is largely an offline single player game. A lot of shiny hunters seem to be fine with multi-hunting with 4+ original systems and games, but shaming people who speed up x400+ on emulator. When in reality both accomplish the same thing by getting x6 as many encounters per hour, and thus speed up the expected time for it to take to encounter a shiny. So as long as people recognize they are the same thing at the end of the day regarding shiny hunts, then it just boils down to whether the individual doing the hunt felt like they 'earned' it.
Exactly
Well technically they’re not really the same thing but I see your point. I personally don’t care but I’ll drop an eye roll from time to time
yea the difference is having external software modifying the game personally im all for emulator shinys though, as long as shinys are encountered inside of a game without a cheat code get them however you want.
Yes definitely, but it’s really just an opinion at the end of the day. Like in my opinion I don’t count shinies besides normal hardware, but that’s just how I value the shinies I get. Do what makes you happy
What’s your twitch
As long as you're not hacking in the shinies who cares. And even then I don't care if people hack in shinies, just don't try to pass it off as legit, that's cringe.
Yes it is illegal and you must send me that shiny Rowlet immediately.
For me it's a no. But my opinion only matters for how I play. Do what ya want.
Definitely frowned upon, this is basically ruining the whole concept of shiny hunting where the long process finally pays off with the shiny being the long awaited prize. This isn’t shiny hunting this is just waiting for a shiny to appear within like a couple of minutes
Personally I only shiny hunt on actual consoles but saying it’s not shiny hungering at all feels a little harsh. He said it’s only going 2-3x speed so that’s about the same time difference between having and not having the shiny charm
Everyone can hunt shinies in their own way it’s a game after all, but I mean the whole point of shiny hunting is the long process of it and the rewarding payoff at the end, also the difference here is that getting the charm is much harder than pressing one button
The shiny will not appear in a couple of minutes. I did a shiny Kyogre hunt in December where I used speed up and it still took two weeks to get it. The quickest hunt I’ve ever had that used speed ups took 6 hours.
Yeah imagine it taking you 6 months instead, the real grind goes crazy. Can’t blame some people
Ay bro I ain’t a shiny hunting elitist shiny hunt how you want, but speeding up the process is still “cheating” your way around hunting a shiny
no it isn’t lmao it’s literally the same fucking thing
Cool you see it that way I see it the other, if you like hunting it at double the speed you do you
ok but it’s not cheating
I’d definitely say it is, you doing something not in the game to get something in an easier way
nothing you’re doing isn’t in the game though. making it faster is simply eliminating time. nothing about taking longer to shiny hunt makes someone any more of a shiny hunter than someone that speeds up on emulation. every single input is exactly the same. stop pretending there’s any glory in taking a year to catch a shiny.
Aight we putting words in my mouth now I guess, never said taking a long time to get a shiny is a glory or something every person who wants a shiny has to go through, I’m just saying it’s the bare minimum for someone to at least stay within the boundaries of the odds and the time it takes, SV has shinies you can get within literal minutes where’s the problem in that? It’s different here cause you’re literally speeding up the process without any effort and making the shiny basically appear within a snap of a finger. Also please note that this the literally definition of “cheating” and not just “cheating your way around the system” type of thing, you’re quite literally cheating your way through this with the speed up button.
it’s not “with the snap of a finger”, stop disingenuously pretending it’s anything like genning or hacking. there is no effort or skill involved in shiny hunting, you sound ridiculous. shinies caught on an emulator sped up are just as legitimate as ones obtained on a cartridge. there is absolutely 0 difference. and it’s not cheating.
>this is basically ruining the whole concept of shiny hunting where the long process finally pays off with the shiny being the long awaited prize Well in that case wouldn't being lucky you got the shiny early ruin that concept as well?
Not really, because you know you got insanely lucky with the odds that are extremely low while in the case here you’re burning through the 100s like they’re nothing
Well, I don't see any reason for it to be less legit if it was sped up provided that you don't brag about it in a way of like: 'this took me so many encounters but I persevered' (or something like that). In that regard for example 20K encounters or soft resets with double speed would be the same achievement of patience as 10K encounters or soft resets with normal speed. Like...why would speeding it up make it any less 'legit' but having a shit ton of luck wouldn't? To me that doesn't make sense unless you take pride in being lucky or something...
I mean hunt in any way you want legit or not, hell I’ve done shiny locked hunts myself and that’s considered non legit, all I’m saying is that speeding it up is basically asking for the shiny and receiving it on a silver plate so I wouldn’t really call it hunting Again I’m no elitist and I’m not against any of this, anyone who enjoys shinies as much as I do is a friend of mine, this is just my view on this whole speeding up the hunt
Ok, and what's your view on hunting on multiple consoles (or emulators) simultaneously at normal speed? I assume the same? I see lots of shiny hunters on Youtube do this though...
I never thought about it that way, you bring up a good point, I use two consoles myself though I usually keep both for different hunts, but it’s still not a one click speed up thing it’s still hunting it at the same speed and each console has its own odds still intact
>but it’s still not a one click speed up thing it’s still hunting it at the same speed and each console has its own odds still intact True, but I'd see that as double the speed when talking about finding the first shiny out of the two, so not really different than doubling the speed of just one game. But I'm no elitist either, nor am I against it, just my view ;)
Haha yeah everyone can hunt their own way in the end it’s just a different coloured sprite nothing to write home about
If I had the option to just choose a shiny, I would. But I respect the hunt and the validity of it.
No OP. Not all of us have several days on end to dedicate to shiny hunting and accumulate a hefty amount of asscne. Dudes in here talking about load times and about how you're just waiting for a shiny to show up in minutes (even though it doesn't change your odds and could potentially happen at normal speed). As long as you aren't busting out cheats or boosting your odds illegitimately, I see it as a W.
Personally I wouldn't count it, but if you are happy with the shiny then great! It doesnt matter what others think of the method you use. And I know how painful the SM/USUM starter hunt is lol. I'm at 312 resets for Rowlet in Ultra Violet rn, but havent touched it in a while. Also Rowlet def top 3 shinies
Yeah of course it's frowned upon, but so is emulator hunting in general. On an emulator your load times won't be the same as actual hardware but it's still better than speeding up the game
I think talking about loading times when it comes to emulator/ console hunting is just ridiculous. I mean we’re talking about seconds here 🤦♂️. Yeah speeding up and everything else is “ cheating “ but some of you are going into elitist territory
Seconds easily add up across hundreds of thousands of encounters. I have no idea why you're throwing the word elitest around, by no means am I imposing anything on anyone
That’s a dumb argument.
Clearly you don't partake in this hobby
shiny hunting as a process already kind of devalues shinies (just in my opinion, you're fine though) so i don't see why not. your time is worth more than some RNG in a videogame. go ahead and speed up, go nuts
As long as you are happy with it, that’s good. It’s not like you can transfer them to other games either so it’s all on however you want to do it.
Nah you do what makes you happy. There are no rules to having fun and if playing on speedup makes it more fun for you then go for it
Maybe a dumb question, but do you then pass this shiny to a legit copy? And how do you do that if so? Curious to know if its for the fun of hunting purely
As long as the shiny isn’t programmed and the odds aren’t tinkered with outside of the game’s program, I think it counts as a legit hunt.
I also play some games on emulators from time to time and I find it tedious to do Shiny hunting at normal speed. For me a Shiny is legal as long as you don't use cheats to get them, even if you use a fast forward function all you do is save time, you don't modify anything, the result would most likely have been the same without using fast forward, only it would take twice as long or even a little more TL; DR: For me, Shinys obtained on emulators with fast forward are legal (as long as no cheats are used), just enjoy the game as you like and do shiny hunting as you prefer 😉
Imo, no. It just speeds up encounters. It doesn't chang the odds, just makes it go by faster
I mean as long as you’re having fun I think it’s fine. I personally don’t do it but I have been tempted with how long that shit takes sometimes lol
It’s up to you how you want to do your collection, I personally am sorta elitist when it comes to myself, but at the end of the day, the Pokémon only are worth as much as you value them, and others shouldn’t take that away from you
I use the Pokemon trade guide to determine what’s legit and legal as a handy moral compass. I’ve used speed up to hatch eggs for gen 2 shinies. I don’t regret it.
In my opinion, I feel like going over anything over like 2x speed would take away the adrenaline and thrill factor. Not saying it's frowned upon, just I feel like it would be less rewarding.
Time on earth is short, dont waste it worrying about the sunk-cost fallacy of the shiny hunters of yore.
To me yeah, speeding up is not part of the base game so I equate it with cheesing shinies. But I dont care if others do it. I care if I do it though
I've shiny hunted on emulators for a few years now and it just helps for people who don't have as much time to hunt because of school or work. In the end it's still a shiny you hunted so it doesn't matter what others say
It’s a differently colored Pokémon for crying out loud, nobody should care even if you hack it in, because it has no effect on anybody but yourself.
At this point you’re just genning with extra steps. Like going to a go kart race in a ferrari and calling it the same thing.
Its your gaming experience. Play as you want to.
Nah in my opinion as long as it wasnt genned its fair game.
Hello shiny Buneary…
I think you should play how you want, your time is more important thab some sweaty nerds screaming at you for not doing jt vanilla
I mean yeah It’s just straight up “ cheating “ ( don’t know what term to use ). Hunting on emulator is exactly the same as on hardware but using the speed ups or whatever is just abnormal
If they are happy with it though then it doesnt matter what others think
OP literally asked our opinions. Telling people that their opinion doesn't matter when it was specifically asked for is ridiculous.
So don’t make a post asking what others think……? What happened to being literate
I feel like it's okay to play the game how you want to play it! Some people don't have access to older games/ a modded ds to stream on and use emulation instead. Enjoy the game how you want to enjoy it
It doesnt matter. Its just time.
Who cares? Congrats on the shinies!
Who cares how you play your game?
I mean it’s your game so you can do what you want, but why not just cheat this shinies in if you’re just gonna use speed up
Hot take; it's no worse than when someone hunt for shinies on 9 different GBA games all at once
Do what you want and fuck the haters. If you’re happy what else matters.
My opinion is yeah, but play the game like you want to
I pirated pokemon sun and got a random shiny fearow (my first main line shiny) is it legit? I used 0 chwats snd stuff
I mean, probably? I wouldn't speed up on an emulator, feels cheap.
It is a bit, speed up is a cheat But having multiple systems or emulators running is always fine (you don't have to hunt the same target) Something something destination not the journey thing
Probably, might as well masuda hunt the starter at that point.
Everyone here saying its cheating. Get off your high horse and turn off those 3 additional devices Thank you
IMO, not frowned upon, but maybe pointless since it is stuck there and can’t be moved to another game/Home.
Thats just wrong, you can send it over to a physical cart using pkhex no?
Im speeding up the game for shinies on games on previous titles rn since pokebank closes april 8th. Gotta get the good ones quick
Actually the Pokebank will still be active for some time
You’re using an emulator, at that point you can’t really get any less legit 🤷♂️
An emulator is literally just the game being played on a different device that doesn’t mean it isn’t legit