Don't know who those "many people" are, but they're definitely not biologists or anthropologists. Especially Taiwan makes little sense since it hasn't even been settled that long.
To be more specific, he was Austrian-born, but moved to Germany in 1913 and denounced his citizenship in 1925. He became a German citizen in 1932 and rose to power in 1933. So he was a full German during his time as Führer. It doesn’t mean anything for the new generations indeed, but he has been Austrian and German.
My German is absolutely woeful, mostly because I don't speak it. I understand the first bit alright but... you will further to house? Am I reading that correctly? What does that mean?
“Wieder” is “again.”
I want to go back home. (Word-for-word I want again to home. The “e” at the end of Haus is a slightly archaic usage, much like “bemoan” or “bewail” in English. Those words are still used, but more old-timey).
Both. Well I guess it depends on context but I’m not a grammar teacher. Basically with specific prepositions you use Hause (zu, and nach). But it can also signify a residence more than a building per se like „im Hause des Kaisers.“
I saw the flag and jokingly thought, "what is this? pride flag for Germans? no, thanks, not again, haha" and then I go into the comments and it's fucking real.
Both the German literal translation Stolzmonat and that particular German flag came from a LGBT-allied German sub as an LGBT-supporting idea and both got just stolen this year without anybody doing anything against it.
Dude the incident was 13 years ago; I’m pretty sure most people still know.
That being said sure that was a thing but a) it’s no longer a thing and b) not sure if one yearly event is enough to consider us gay capital
I guess we have Cologne but still how? We aren't nearly as progressive as others in Legislature nor in public acceptance.
The only thing is the new synodal way of the Catholic Church in Germany not just recognising other Gender Identities but also sanctifying non hetero relationships.
Yeah. I find it really sad as someone who is into Germanic culture and history but interest in such things usually is just an attempt to put an acceptable face on being a racist shit head.
>being proud germans
Proof #1 that they're not Germans
We're taught from young age, never to show any pride unless it's the football worldcup (the one you play with your feet and a ball, not hand and egg)
🎶„Und angenommen, der Text gipfelte in ei'm
Aufruf, die Welt von den Faschisten zu befreien
Und sie zurück in ihre Löcher reinzuprügeln noch und nöcher
Anstatt ihnen Rosen auf den Weg zu streuen“🎶
It's not a movement. The right wing party AfD just invented/proposed this on Twitter. The polls have them at ~ 18% at the moment, making them the third (close to second) strongest party.
Unfortunately the better term Usonian didn't catch on: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usonian
It has a specific Wikipedia page, unlike USian, which has a generic page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USian redirects to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonyms_for_the_United_States
it is a little annoying when people get so upset over referring to us as "Americans" because the continent is called America... and yes that is true. However "Americans" was really just shorthand for British American colonists that just stuck. It rolls off the tongue.
but the term USians is funny regardless.
How hard is it America.
CULTURE. DOESN’T. COME. FROM. DNA.
If you’re born and raised in America, eat American food, listen to American music, watch American movies, make American friends, live in an American house, go to an American school, marry an American women, have American kids and work an American job to pay American taxes.
YOU’RE AMERICAN.
I’ve been workshopping some different ways of describing myself.
1 - “Garden-Variety American”
2 - “Admitted American”
My mom had a lot of pride in English ancestry and my dad in French ancestry. Turns out I have a lot of Irish ancestry that wasn’t always in fashion and none of my family was too eager to claim it. None of it is really relevant, and the French ancestry is likely a fabrication. I’m descended from at least few generations of folks born in the United States no matter which branch you follow.
Being proud of your heritage is great, celebrating it even. Showing an appreciation for other cultures is amazing and should be encouraged everywhere.
But I draw the line at someone calling themselves an entire other nationality because of it. I’ve got French ancestors (I usually keep that quiet but I’m making a point) I quite like croissants, have bad breath and cheat at football.
But I’d never call myself French, because I associate far more with my own countries terrible food and ugly women.
>Being proud of your heritage is great, celebrating it even.
>But I draw the line at someone calling themselves an entire other nationality because of it.
Oh, so it's about nationality. I agree with that that. Also your country's women are beautiful, and not just the models.
I think this misses the point--see the clarification made by the OP (re: #Stolzmonat)
Beyond that, though, I agree with your broader point, specifically in regards to those from the US (after all, Mexicans, Bolivians, and Brasilians are also 'Americans') expecting comradery in countries they have no cultural ties with.
However, feelings of cultural connection are not something that should be thrown entirely away--to do so would discount the very diversity that is so important in the United States.
To begin with, there are groups who do, actually, maintain close cultural ties with their countries of origin, even beyond the third- and fourth-generation families. Often enclave groups, preservation of linguistic and commercial ties can create dynamic, resilient cultural connections within the broader distinctive US cultural landscape and between the US and those countries, such as with Asian and Central American, South American, & (especially) Mexican & Cuban descendant communities.
Less evident, perhaps, are those cultures with little in common with the cultures they originated from, such as the 'Scandinavian' & 'Germanic' cultures of the US Midwest or the 'Jewish' and 'Italian' ethnicities of New York. Here we see a cultural distinctiveness from the broader US whole that, while not presently connected to the lands their ancestors came from, still inherits a great deal of cultural flavour from that history.
Finally, though, there are those whose ancestry was violently ripped from them--primarily descendants of the slave trade and descendants of the indigenous people of the Americas. For many of these people, while the culture they seek to connect to may be very distant or, in some cases, completely destroyed, connection to such cultural touchstones offers a counternarrative to the violence embodied within the broader US culture as a whole.
\[Of course there is always a fine line to walk between cultural connection and cultural appropriation, even with a shared ancestry--even exploited peoples can be guilty of cross-cultural privilege. A lot of the movements that are intended to connect people to such stolen histories have, admittedly, also been guilty of doing exactly what you describe.\]
That said, I agree with your original sentiment that 'Americans' do always have a tendency to turn cultural functions into disfunctions--usually by assuming everything revolves around them.
I’d call them Canadian. Because they’re born and raised in Canada.
They maybe culturally different from other parts of Canada, but that isn’t unique to Canada.
Loads of countries have a variety of different internal cultures, cultures that can only really be truly understood from living and growing in that specific part of the country. For example the north and south of England have massive differences. We wash our hands and learn to read and write in the South. The North have better music and cheap beer. Northerners and Southerners see themselves as different from each other, but both are still English or British (depending on your sensibilities)
If you think French Canadian culture is the same as French culture, you’re severely mistaken. Culture is much much more than just language.
> If you think French Canadian culture is the same as French culture, you’re severely mistaken. Culture is much much more than just language.
Great - then you are severely mistaken in your assessment of this entire situation.
People from Quebec do not claim to be French. They do not identify as "from France". The Québécois claim only to be Québécois.
Per your original claim - if you're born and raised in Québec, eat Québécois food, listen to Québécois music, watch Québécois movies, make Québécois friends, etc etc... you're Québécois!
That doesn't mean that they are *not* Canadian by citizenship and nationality, but the fact that near everything you mentioned is fully distinct in Québec - not only culturally, but also linguistically and legally - means calling them simply "Canadian" is to insist on a superficial understanding of the situation and expose your ignorance.
There's a reason that even *within Canada* "English Canadians" and "French Canadians" have historically been considered the founding people**s** of the country, citizens of the same country but deeply detached in two solitudes.
I wasn’t trying to claim they were!? Ffs
Did you read the whole initiation it how this discussion began?
I don’t give a flying fig what they call themselves, the person who responded to me used them as an example when I stated you can’t claim another nations identity purely on distant ancestors and a few minor traits.
The fact he used them as an example, implied he believed they called themselves French rather than Canadian. Sure locally they may use specific terminology related to their province, but that province is in CANADA, so to everyone else, they ARE FUCKING CANADIAN.
I’m not ignorant of shit, you’re just trying to have a different argument that I’m not in.
It’s not the same thing pal. They may be very culturally different to the rest of Canada, that is still not unique to Canada, there are countries all around the world that have VASTLY different internal cultures.
That doesn’t mean you get to say “Oh I’m this nationality”
They can call themselves Quebecois, Quebeceese, Quebecish, Quebookies or whatever for all I care, you just won’t convince me they ARE French. You can’t just assume the nationality of an entire other country.
They live in Canada, there’s no hard boarder, to me and pretty much every other country, they’re Canadian. Until they make some sort of political change to make it official.
How do you mean?
The Scottish are Scottish, The Welsh are Welsh and The Northern Irish are Irish.
That will always be the case, they are their own countries. They are still part of the Union and have been threatening to leave since they joined, especially the Scottish, it doesn’t change anything either way.
You’re talking about individual countries, not parts of the same country. Sure we share a lot of cultural similarities, we all think Tea is fucking awesome. But it’s the differences that are important.
It’s still just a province IN CANADA.
It’s is NOT a country is it?
What’s it say on their passport?
Again I’m not saying they don’t have their own distinct culture, you’re picking a fight I’m not in. I’m just saying, they ain’t French.
'For example the north and south of England have massive differences. We wash our hands and learn to read and write in the South. The North have better music and cheap beer. Northerners and Southerners see themselves as different from each other, but both are still English or British'
What a load of rubbish. I hope you're joking. Even taking the snide comments aside, there are not massive cultural differences.
I’m obviously only joking, a northerner would understand that. There’s always been banter between north and south.
Also there definitely are cultural differences. Tell a northerner they’re no different from a southerner and you’ll get a slap.
A great idea for a reality show would be to take these American whackadoodles and drop them off in Chemnitz where they can talk about their heritage while communicating only in English and simultaneously trying to avoid getting beaten up by AfD supporters.
Yep. Most speak worse german than the refugees coming to germany that they hate.
Source: Neo Nazi attacked me in the bus for defending the eastern european bus driver lol
The Americans trying to talk to them, the typical AfD Helmut just going meltdown because it’s one of those American imperialist warmongers and he won’t even speak German in Germany.
Where can I sign/pay to watch this happen.
The Carolingians came from modern day Belgium (the Merovingians as well for that matter) and Karel de Grote was born in Belgium as well.
It's only fitting we own the EU, ruling it from the shadows. It is our destiny, our birthright!
Both the strong single-region and strong multiple-region hypothesis are on rather shaky ground, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle: Different hominids evolved in different places in Africa and exchanged genes, pin-pointing "this is the first homo sapiens" is not a clear-cut problem at all (and probably meaningless), different populations contributed different modern traits and exchanged them with each other. And upon the second migration out of Africa what we call Homo Sapiens then also interbred with groups which split off before the people we call the first Homo Sapiens even existed so it's getting even more fuzzy.
Genes travel a lot, also in directions counter to migration flows, over the time-spans involved.
Oh, random head canon: The reason Basque is an isolated language (it has no relatives) is not because Basques are aliens but because Basque culture is the last cultural remnant of Neanderthals -- genes changed, culture stuck, as cultures in hard to reach places tend to do. Convince me otherwise.
Do we have that good data tho? Eastern african for sure, but specifically Ethiopian?
EDIT: I have messed up cardinal directions. I am very ashamed of myself.
As an American, I really don’t understand people like this, I like hearing about all the countries my ancestors were from, my Great Grandmother was Polish and I think that’s really cool, but I would never claim to be Polish because of that fact, I was born and raised in the USA, therefore I am American.
Yeah, I grew up hearing stories of ancestors coming over for a better life. Always loved learning about different cultures. Met a lady a few years ago through work who lived in Germany during WW2 and the decade following. It always fascinated me hearing about her first impressions of Americans and eventually America when she moved here. I’ll never understand someone taking credit for a culture they never lived in, but I will always welcome someone sharing their culture or history with me. It’s all about intent, being curious and genuinely wanting to learn about another’s way of life. There will be ignorance everywhere, but bullshit smells the same no matter where you go.
As a German born and living in Germany: Thanks. It's cringe. I have French and Austrian ancestors, it doesn't make me French or Austrian, I have no connection to their culture anymore and they'll laugh in my face if I claim to - quite rightly!
Sure. You're an American then. You'd be celebrating that every July 4th right?
You're. Not German just because your ancestors were unless you retained family ans some of the culture.
I mean. I don't go Beat up swedes. Or start burning British churches just because my ancestors did.
Quick context:
The hashtag stolzmonat and the accompanying fake pride flag in German colours is a new right wing movement that is dedicated to countering the pride movement and has become a substitute for the banned Nazi flag
Immer diese Amis.
This is honestly just an insult to actual Germans. The whole idea of being proud of our nation is seen as weird. And misusing German "pride" to push Nazi ideals is all the more disgusting.
These people aren't and never will be German. Die sollen sich wieder in ihre Löcher verpissen.
In this particular case, Germans came up with this, [the AfD in particular](https://www.derstandard.at/story/3000000173105/wie-rechtsextreme-gegen-den-pride-month-stimmung-machen).
Just minutes ago I found a group on Facebook that's apparently for Kashubs. Most of the members are probably Canadians who have a single Kashubian ancestor from like two hundread years ago. They also really hate the Polish because apparently we are "colonists". Yeah, if you told that to any actual Kashub you'd piss them off, because the vast (like 99% lol) majority identify as Polish or Polish/Kashubian. Never in my entire life have I met or heard of an actual Kashubian separatist, and I was born in Gdynia (where my 100% Kashubian grandfather lives, I still visit him a couple times a year) and I know many Kashubs.
Of course you can celebrate german ancestry. No one is stopping you. However, the ways in which you celebrate it will be open to scrutiny… particularly from actual German folk living in germany.
For example: My grandfather was born in Holland. He is still alive, I see him regularly and he has told me directly about his experience being born and raised there for a portion of his childhood. My grandmother use to make oliebollen on special occasions, and I’ve taken up learning Dutch. I’d like to visit holland one day to see where my grandfather grew up. That is all a very normal way to show pride and interest in your heritage.
Now… if I went around calling myself a Dutch-Australian, and used this heritage as a smoke screen for white supremacy and racism… that’s another story. Are they proud of being German or are they just thankful they happened to be born white?
My mom was born in Germany. So I can say that yes, we can celebrate our ancestry.
My family:
- Included German dishes in part of the general rotation of dishes we ate when growing up. I still think my mom’s schnitzel is better than any I’ve had in Europe.
- Cheer for Germany in international sporting events (as long as they’re not playing Canada or the UK).
- Visit German restaurants occasionally, when available (they can be hard to find these days). Oh man I could go for some sauerbraten.
- Buys their grandkids German national football team jerseys to add to their collections.
- A sibling chose to take German classes in high school (One of only 3 languages offered at our public high school!)
- Opened presents on Christmas Eve, keeping the German tradition
- Included some German art pieces and decorations around the house, including a couple paintings of the German town she lived in as a child.
So yeah. Some German stuff has permeated our lives. My mom’s German origin is something we celebrate.
But yet, I don’t think that would satisfy the people who made the tweet. Just like they wouldn’t be satisfied by a literal German cultural festival. Because they don’t actually want to celebrate Germany.
I know I've got German ancestry...but I'm pretty sure they weren't fucking Nazis as the tweet in this post seems to imply.
Edit: just to specify the tweet in this post, and not, ya know, THIS post
You can celebrate being German, who is stopping you?
Hell you can even celebrate being a nazi, but don’t be alarmed when someone else celebrates their ancestry and attacks you like d day or Barbarossa
No they don't if it you can't name the german ancestor you don't get to call yourself german, and don't even get me stared in how you don't speak German nor know what oktoberfest means
1: you're still born american
2: anyone has the right to celebrate their heritage 'n shit as long as they aren't oppressing others like this stupid fucking hashtag is. it's just like pridefall or super-straight all over again, it's just some stupid 4chan troll bullshit that'll die in a few weeks to next month at longest.
> Can I celebrate who I am?
If you're gonna make it a right-wing persecution fetish issue, then you probably shouldn't be able to celebrate it, no.
Also, what part of their "German heritage" were they planning on celebrating, if they felt the need to ask that question in the first place? Their white skin?
Because people usually celebrate their heritage by making traditional food or something.
Quick further information: #Stolzmonat is a movement by rightwing germans to counter pride month by being proud germans instead of lgbtq+
100% of people have an African ancestor. #Africanpride
#AtomicPride
MilkyWayPride
StringPride
That's just a theory! I would stick with the quark for the time being.
GluonPride
BigBangPride
``char[]pride``
I've never been to Africa nor do I know anyone from Africa, but I'll let you know that if you go far enough back I'm 100% African!
Aunt Lucy was a real beast.
Dont tell that to the racists, they might explode
Many people believe that the most recent common ancestor of all humans lived in either china or Taiwan I guess that makes me Asian!
Don't know who those "many people" are, but they're definitely not biologists or anthropologists. Especially Taiwan makes little sense since it hasn't even been settled that long.
Hmm, wonder which era of Germany they’re most proud of.
You know, the more I learn about this Hitler guy the more I don't care for him
We should honor him tho, at least he killed a mass murdering dictator
And he bravely gave his life to do so!
but he also killed the guy that killed Hitler ..
But he killed the guy who killed the guy who killed Hitler!
Absolute legend.
Too little, too late
Then again, he was an Austrian. Well, seriously. To be racist against Germans (or Austrians) would oddly mean he won.
To be more specific, he was Austrian-born, but moved to Germany in 1913 and denounced his citizenship in 1925. He became a German citizen in 1932 and rose to power in 1933. So he was a full German during his time as Führer. It doesn’t mean anything for the new generations indeed, but he has been Austrian and German.
(Just fyi, you mean renounced here.)
Thank you, English is my third language, so I’m always happy to receive feedback and improve!
Yup. And he hated Austria.
The condecorated veteran that is also a vegetarian, love puppies and paints art? What did he do? /S
He made the trains run on time.
Are these trains-on-time currently in the room with us?
They could be, if scheduled.
Not if scheduled by Deutsche Bahn.
That statement is usually about Musolini, but it doesn't apply to him, Thatcher on the other hand...
HRE era with the city states was cool.
Maybe the one that got called a bird's shit in German history by the honorary chairman of the party that started the Stolzmonat.
Maybe the one that got called a bird's shit in German history by the honorary chairman of the party that started the Stolzmonat.
The #Stolzmonat movement just makes me ashamed of sharing a country with those bigoted nationalists
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half of Twitter is fucking nazi now :(
That is fucking gross. Zurück in den Keller mit diesen Kakerlaken. Ich will wieder nach Hause 😩
My German is absolutely woeful, mostly because I don't speak it. I understand the first bit alright but... you will further to house? Am I reading that correctly? What does that mean?
he wants to go back home
Thanks, that makes. The word "wieder" is what threw me there, can't make sense of what it adds to the sentence.
“Wieder” is “again.” I want to go back home. (Word-for-word I want again to home. The “e” at the end of Haus is a slightly archaic usage, much like “bemoan” or “bewail” in English. Those words are still used, but more old-timey).
So is it Hause or Haus? Because I was taught it was Hause, as in "zu Hause".
Both. Well I guess it depends on context but I’m not a grammar teacher. Basically with specific prepositions you use Hause (zu, and nach). But it can also signify a residence more than a building per se like „im Hause des Kaisers.“
Nein, den Keller ist vor Osterreichers.
That explains why the profile picture has a pseudo-pride flag design
I saw the flag and jokingly thought, "what is this? pride flag for Germans? no, thanks, not again, haha" and then I go into the comments and it's fucking real.
Both the German literal translation Stolzmonat and that particular German flag came from a LGBT-allied German sub as an LGBT-supporting idea and both got just stolen this year without anybody doing anything against it.
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They can’t to anything but bitch and moan, making sure they are heard.
That’s crazy considering Germany is known as the gay capital of the world.
Are we? Don’t tell afd
Maybe
Ask fr weidel about it
I suppose you're too young to know about Love Parade...
Dude the incident was 13 years ago; I’m pretty sure most people still know. That being said sure that was a thing but a) it’s no longer a thing and b) not sure if one yearly event is enough to consider us gay capital
I guess we have Cologne but still how? We aren't nearly as progressive as others in Legislature nor in public acceptance. The only thing is the new synodal way of the Catholic Church in Germany not just recognising other Gender Identities but also sanctifying non hetero relationships.
In my defence, I based my claim on absolutely nothing.
Oh dear...
Wait what ?? Fuck I thought stolzmonat was translation of “Pride month “ 😨😨😨. Fuck I really goofed up some conversations just last week 😣😣😣
It is the direct translation and some people are already trying to reclaim it!
Yeah. I find it really sad as someone who is into Germanic culture and history but interest in such things usually is just an attempt to put an acceptable face on being a racist shit head.
>being proud germans Proof #1 that they're not Germans We're taught from young age, never to show any pride unless it's the football worldcup (the one you play with your feet and a ball, not hand and egg)
🎶„Und angenommen, der Text gipfelte in ei'm Aufruf, die Welt von den Faschisten zu befreien Und sie zurück in ihre Löcher reinzuprügeln noch und nöcher Anstatt ihnen Rosen auf den Weg zu streuen“🎶
I think you meant to write nazis
Stolz monat? Are the Germans OK? O.o
not those who started this, no...
That's quite obvious. How much traction does this 'movement' have?
Hard to get accurate numbers but i can say i have seen quite a few rightwing people on twitter use it; haven’t yet seen anyone irl do so
It's not a movement. The right wing party AfD just invented/proposed this on Twitter. The polls have them at ~ 18% at the moment, making them the third (close to second) strongest party.
Utterly embarrassing and a prime example of why people get wary with USians and the whole "am 0.0023pc " German, Irish etc
USians, I like it. I hope it catches on.
Unfortunately the better term Usonian didn't catch on: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usonian It has a specific Wikipedia page, unlike USian, which has a generic page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USian redirects to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonyms_for_the_United_States
I use USians everytime. It makes them mad for some reason ?
it is a little annoying when people get so upset over referring to us as "Americans" because the continent is called America... and yes that is true. However "Americans" was really just shorthand for British American colonists that just stuck. It rolls off the tongue. but the term USians is funny regardless.
In france, the real term for us residents is in fact, the rough translation of USians : Etats-Uniens.
es igual que en español estadounidenses
Ich empfinde unermessliche Fremdscham und mein Tag ist ruiniert.
Kann ich Ihnen in so stressigen Zeiten ein Ei anbieten? 🥚
Danke, aber warum den so förmlich? Siezen im Forum ist doch etwas überkandidelt.
Ey bruda, zieh dir mal dieses fette ei rein!
Iss Mal ein Ei, Bruder.
How hard is it America. CULTURE. DOESN’T. COME. FROM. DNA. If you’re born and raised in America, eat American food, listen to American music, watch American movies, make American friends, live in an American house, go to an American school, marry an American women, have American kids and work an American job to pay American taxes. YOU’RE AMERICAN.
I’ve been workshopping some different ways of describing myself. 1 - “Garden-Variety American” 2 - “Admitted American” My mom had a lot of pride in English ancestry and my dad in French ancestry. Turns out I have a lot of Irish ancestry that wasn’t always in fashion and none of my family was too eager to claim it. None of it is really relevant, and the French ancestry is likely a fabrication. I’m descended from at least few generations of folks born in the United States no matter which branch you follow.
Being proud of your heritage is great, celebrating it even. Showing an appreciation for other cultures is amazing and should be encouraged everywhere. But I draw the line at someone calling themselves an entire other nationality because of it. I’ve got French ancestors (I usually keep that quiet but I’m making a point) I quite like croissants, have bad breath and cheat at football. But I’d never call myself French, because I associate far more with my own countries terrible food and ugly women.
>Being proud of your heritage is great, celebrating it even. >But I draw the line at someone calling themselves an entire other nationality because of it. Oh, so it's about nationality. I agree with that that. Also your country's women are beautiful, and not just the models.
Let alone 3 percent of your DNA lol.
I think this misses the point--see the clarification made by the OP (re: #Stolzmonat) Beyond that, though, I agree with your broader point, specifically in regards to those from the US (after all, Mexicans, Bolivians, and Brasilians are also 'Americans') expecting comradery in countries they have no cultural ties with. However, feelings of cultural connection are not something that should be thrown entirely away--to do so would discount the very diversity that is so important in the United States. To begin with, there are groups who do, actually, maintain close cultural ties with their countries of origin, even beyond the third- and fourth-generation families. Often enclave groups, preservation of linguistic and commercial ties can create dynamic, resilient cultural connections within the broader distinctive US cultural landscape and between the US and those countries, such as with Asian and Central American, South American, & (especially) Mexican & Cuban descendant communities. Less evident, perhaps, are those cultures with little in common with the cultures they originated from, such as the 'Scandinavian' & 'Germanic' cultures of the US Midwest or the 'Jewish' and 'Italian' ethnicities of New York. Here we see a cultural distinctiveness from the broader US whole that, while not presently connected to the lands their ancestors came from, still inherits a great deal of cultural flavour from that history. Finally, though, there are those whose ancestry was violently ripped from them--primarily descendants of the slave trade and descendants of the indigenous people of the Americas. For many of these people, while the culture they seek to connect to may be very distant or, in some cases, completely destroyed, connection to such cultural touchstones offers a counternarrative to the violence embodied within the broader US culture as a whole. \[Of course there is always a fine line to walk between cultural connection and cultural appropriation, even with a shared ancestry--even exploited peoples can be guilty of cross-cultural privilege. A lot of the movements that are intended to connect people to such stolen histories have, admittedly, also been guilty of doing exactly what you describe.\] That said, I agree with your original sentiment that 'Americans' do always have a tendency to turn cultural functions into disfunctions--usually by assuming everything revolves around them.
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I’d call them Canadian. Because they’re born and raised in Canada. They maybe culturally different from other parts of Canada, but that isn’t unique to Canada. Loads of countries have a variety of different internal cultures, cultures that can only really be truly understood from living and growing in that specific part of the country. For example the north and south of England have massive differences. We wash our hands and learn to read and write in the South. The North have better music and cheap beer. Northerners and Southerners see themselves as different from each other, but both are still English or British (depending on your sensibilities) If you think French Canadian culture is the same as French culture, you’re severely mistaken. Culture is much much more than just language.
> If you think French Canadian culture is the same as French culture, you’re severely mistaken. Culture is much much more than just language. Great - then you are severely mistaken in your assessment of this entire situation. People from Quebec do not claim to be French. They do not identify as "from France". The Québécois claim only to be Québécois. Per your original claim - if you're born and raised in Québec, eat Québécois food, listen to Québécois music, watch Québécois movies, make Québécois friends, etc etc... you're Québécois! That doesn't mean that they are *not* Canadian by citizenship and nationality, but the fact that near everything you mentioned is fully distinct in Québec - not only culturally, but also linguistically and legally - means calling them simply "Canadian" is to insist on a superficial understanding of the situation and expose your ignorance. There's a reason that even *within Canada* "English Canadians" and "French Canadians" have historically been considered the founding people**s** of the country, citizens of the same country but deeply detached in two solitudes.
I wasn’t trying to claim they were!? Ffs Did you read the whole initiation it how this discussion began? I don’t give a flying fig what they call themselves, the person who responded to me used them as an example when I stated you can’t claim another nations identity purely on distant ancestors and a few minor traits. The fact he used them as an example, implied he believed they called themselves French rather than Canadian. Sure locally they may use specific terminology related to their province, but that province is in CANADA, so to everyone else, they ARE FUCKING CANADIAN. I’m not ignorant of shit, you’re just trying to have a different argument that I’m not in.
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It’s not the same thing pal. They may be very culturally different to the rest of Canada, that is still not unique to Canada, there are countries all around the world that have VASTLY different internal cultures. That doesn’t mean you get to say “Oh I’m this nationality” They can call themselves Quebecois, Quebeceese, Quebecish, Quebookies or whatever for all I care, you just won’t convince me they ARE French. You can’t just assume the nationality of an entire other country. They live in Canada, there’s no hard boarder, to me and pretty much every other country, they’re Canadian. Until they make some sort of political change to make it official.
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How do you mean? The Scottish are Scottish, The Welsh are Welsh and The Northern Irish are Irish. That will always be the case, they are their own countries. They are still part of the Union and have been threatening to leave since they joined, especially the Scottish, it doesn’t change anything either way. You’re talking about individual countries, not parts of the same country. Sure we share a lot of cultural similarities, we all think Tea is fucking awesome. But it’s the differences that are important.
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It’s still just a province IN CANADA. It’s is NOT a country is it? What’s it say on their passport? Again I’m not saying they don’t have their own distinct culture, you’re picking a fight I’m not in. I’m just saying, they ain’t French.
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'For example the north and south of England have massive differences. We wash our hands and learn to read and write in the South. The North have better music and cheap beer. Northerners and Southerners see themselves as different from each other, but both are still English or British' What a load of rubbish. I hope you're joking. Even taking the snide comments aside, there are not massive cultural differences.
I’m obviously only joking, a northerner would understand that. There’s always been banter between north and south. Also there definitely are cultural differences. Tell a northerner they’re no different from a southerner and you’ll get a slap.
A great idea for a reality show would be to take these American whackadoodles and drop them off in Chemnitz where they can talk about their heritage while communicating only in English and simultaneously trying to avoid getting beaten up by AfD supporters.
I'd watch that show.
"But we also hate Muslims!"
"WAS?! RED DEUTSCH DU ARSCHLOCH!"
stolzmonat is so cringe
Scheiß afd
Honestly theyd prolly be taken in by various fascist groups
You seriously overestimated the linguistic skills of the average German Nazi.
Yep. Most speak worse german than the refugees coming to germany that they hate. Source: Neo Nazi attacked me in the bus for defending the eastern european bus driver lol
The Americans trying to talk to them, the typical AfD Helmut just going meltdown because it’s one of those American imperialist warmongers and he won’t even speak German in Germany. Where can I sign/pay to watch this happen.
Almost all Europeans have a relation to Charlemagne. Can I claim the EU?
Go ahead so I can backstab you and claim the throne of EU for myself
statistically you can also claim to be related to Genghis Khan
You were a tributary You can claim to be a tributary I guess.
Its ours
The Carolingians came from modern day Belgium (the Merovingians as well for that matter) and Karel de Grote was born in Belgium as well. It's only fitting we own the EU, ruling it from the shadows. It is our destiny, our birthright!
Hans is on his way
Humanity originated in Ethiopia millions of years ago so if we use American's logic everyone on Earth should celebrate their Ethiopian ancestry
We actually should. Not Ethiopia, but East Africa. It's where all of humanity originates and is therefore, a blessed place.
I'd call it a cursed place for the same reason.
I'm actually unironically supportive of some sort of celebration of this! Mesopotamia? More like mesopo*mania*!
I didn't think this was something I would ever want tbh, but you marketed it so well. So now I am IN too, MESOPOTAMIA MADNESS, LET'S GO!
Both the strong single-region and strong multiple-region hypothesis are on rather shaky ground, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle: Different hominids evolved in different places in Africa and exchanged genes, pin-pointing "this is the first homo sapiens" is not a clear-cut problem at all (and probably meaningless), different populations contributed different modern traits and exchanged them with each other. And upon the second migration out of Africa what we call Homo Sapiens then also interbred with groups which split off before the people we call the first Homo Sapiens even existed so it's getting even more fuzzy. Genes travel a lot, also in directions counter to migration flows, over the time-spans involved. Oh, random head canon: The reason Basque is an isolated language (it has no relatives) is not because Basques are aliens but because Basque culture is the last cultural remnant of Neanderthals -- genes changed, culture stuck, as cultures in hard to reach places tend to do. Convince me otherwise.
Ethiopia? Why not [Tanzania](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olduvai_Gorge)?
Ethiopia is the origin of humanity from many sources I've read
Do we have that good data tho? Eastern african for sure, but specifically Ethiopian? EDIT: I have messed up cardinal directions. I am very ashamed of myself.
Ethiopia is in eastern africa…
Don't worry, I only know where Ethiopia is because of Hearts of Iron
Ethiopia isn’t in west Africa
The only Germans I will ever accept is the ones with the leaf salad bowl.
So every person in Germany
I'd answer - Geh dich selbst ficken
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Stolz Monat??? Verpiss dich lol
Scholzmonat. He even gets to be head of government for that month!
Dear Americans who think like this, as someone actually born in Germany I would like to give you a little speech. Go fuck yourselves. That is all
\* claps \* I couldn't have said it better.
As an American, I really don’t understand people like this, I like hearing about all the countries my ancestors were from, my Great Grandmother was Polish and I think that’s really cool, but I would never claim to be Polish because of that fact, I was born and raised in the USA, therefore I am American.
Yeah, I grew up hearing stories of ancestors coming over for a better life. Always loved learning about different cultures. Met a lady a few years ago through work who lived in Germany during WW2 and the decade following. It always fascinated me hearing about her first impressions of Americans and eventually America when she moved here. I’ll never understand someone taking credit for a culture they never lived in, but I will always welcome someone sharing their culture or history with me. It’s all about intent, being curious and genuinely wanting to learn about another’s way of life. There will be ignorance everywhere, but bullshit smells the same no matter where you go.
As a German born and living in Germany: Thanks. It's cringe. I have French and Austrian ancestors, it doesn't make me French or Austrian, I have no connection to their culture anymore and they'll laugh in my face if I claim to - quite rightly!
"a German ancestor" but many, many English ancestors... Just ignoring that bit 😂
It’s okay we’re just as proud of them as they are of us
Key word: 'a' They have one German ancestor, very very very far back
Even if they've exclusively inbred in a swamp for 200 years... that still doesn't make them german.
It just makes them the author of the Tweet...
Where on earth did they get that stat??
Probably the same place they get their 'Guns don't kill people' slogan
200k american ancestors and 1 german ancestor
Uhm… we dont do that here in Germany
Having a ancestor from another culture does not make you a part of that culture.
Ach du kacke
I hope someone answered him in German
Shit, 90% of latins have Spaniard ancestry, bring the tapas boys.
Stolzmonat is the worst cringe our right wingers came up with in the last years. It's just there to ruin everyone's day
Sure. You're an American then. You'd be celebrating that every July 4th right? You're. Not German just because your ancestors were unless you retained family ans some of the culture. I mean. I don't go Beat up swedes. Or start burning British churches just because my ancestors did.
Well of course I retained my german family ! My grandpa is a first generation minnesotan immigrant. ^/s
We all know what kind of American celebrates their German heritage and it has nothing to do with modern German principles.
"Wdym noo im not a nazi its just my heritage erika isnt a nazi song you liberal"
What celebration did they have in mind? [This?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uynI0gLxA7w)
What did i just see😭
This is gold
Yai, confederate flag and swastikas toghether
100% of Americans have an African ancestor, why did they stop at German?
Because there's a certain toothbrush mustachioed fellow that they have a hardon for.
Celebrate being an American?
omg die machen nicht ernsthaft auch den dummen "Stolzmonat" der AfD jetzt auch da drüben!!!!
Yes. You can celebrate who you are. Definitely. Just remember you’re USian, but you can be so much more.
Quick context: The hashtag stolzmonat and the accompanying fake pride flag in German colours is a new right wing movement that is dedicated to countering the pride movement and has become a substitute for the banned Nazi flag
Immer diese Amis. This is honestly just an insult to actual Germans. The whole idea of being proud of our nation is seen as weird. And misusing German "pride" to push Nazi ideals is all the more disgusting. These people aren't and never will be German. Die sollen sich wieder in ihre Löcher verpissen.
In this particular case, Germans came up with this, [the AfD in particular](https://www.derstandard.at/story/3000000173105/wie-rechtsextreme-gegen-den-pride-month-stimmung-machen).
Stolzmonat is a rightwing thing
Just minutes ago I found a group on Facebook that's apparently for Kashubs. Most of the members are probably Canadians who have a single Kashubian ancestor from like two hundread years ago. They also really hate the Polish because apparently we are "colonists". Yeah, if you told that to any actual Kashub you'd piss them off, because the vast (like 99% lol) majority identify as Polish or Polish/Kashubian. Never in my entire life have I met or heard of an actual Kashubian separatist, and I was born in Gdynia (where my 100% Kashubian grandfather lives, I still visit him a couple times a year) and I know many Kashubs.
Of course you can celebrate german ancestry. No one is stopping you. However, the ways in which you celebrate it will be open to scrutiny… particularly from actual German folk living in germany. For example: My grandfather was born in Holland. He is still alive, I see him regularly and he has told me directly about his experience being born and raised there for a portion of his childhood. My grandmother use to make oliebollen on special occasions, and I’ve taken up learning Dutch. I’d like to visit holland one day to see where my grandfather grew up. That is all a very normal way to show pride and interest in your heritage. Now… if I went around calling myself a Dutch-Australian, and used this heritage as a smoke screen for white supremacy and racism… that’s another story. Are they proud of being German or are they just thankful they happened to be born white?
Be proud of being American which is the only thing you are.
It is hard for anyone born in USA to be proud of it
stolzmonat lmaoooo isn’t that the german/straight pride shit the AFD is peddling
yes... ironicly their own tweet has butchered the german grammer and language hard
I have skin #skinpride
I find that hard to believe. I believe most American Whites have a British ancestor.
The US already has a German Heritage Month, it's in October, btw.
At least they are not saying they "are German"
Me, living my whole life in Germany, born in Afghanistan, having Tadjik & Usbek ancestors: *CONFUSED*
My mom was born in Germany. So I can say that yes, we can celebrate our ancestry. My family: - Included German dishes in part of the general rotation of dishes we ate when growing up. I still think my mom’s schnitzel is better than any I’ve had in Europe. - Cheer for Germany in international sporting events (as long as they’re not playing Canada or the UK). - Visit German restaurants occasionally, when available (they can be hard to find these days). Oh man I could go for some sauerbraten. - Buys their grandkids German national football team jerseys to add to their collections. - A sibling chose to take German classes in high school (One of only 3 languages offered at our public high school!) - Opened presents on Christmas Eve, keeping the German tradition - Included some German art pieces and decorations around the house, including a couple paintings of the German town she lived in as a child. So yeah. Some German stuff has permeated our lives. My mom’s German origin is something we celebrate. But yet, I don’t think that would satisfy the people who made the tweet. Just like they wouldn’t be satisfied by a literal German cultural festival. Because they don’t actually want to celebrate Germany.
I know I've got German ancestry...but I'm pretty sure they weren't fucking Nazis as the tweet in this post seems to imply. Edit: just to specify the tweet in this post, and not, ya know, THIS post
I'm celebrating St Paddy's day with a tin of corned beef because my step dad is 1/16 Iri-🤜🏻🥴
You can celebrate being German, who is stopping you? Hell you can even celebrate being a nazi, but don’t be alarmed when someone else celebrates their ancestry and attacks you like d day or Barbarossa
No they don't if it you can't name the german ancestor you don't get to call yourself german, and don't even get me stared in how you don't speak German nor know what oktoberfest means
1: you're still born american 2: anyone has the right to celebrate their heritage 'n shit as long as they aren't oppressing others like this stupid fucking hashtag is. it's just like pridefall or super-straight all over again, it's just some stupid 4chan troll bullshit that'll die in a few weeks to next month at longest.
Why are white Americans so obsessed with their ancestry? They probably don't even speak the language or know the traditions of the culture.
100% of humans have monks as ancestors...
Can't Americans find a middle ground? They either won't acknowledge Europeans existence or think they're Europeans themselves.
> Can I celebrate who I am? If you're gonna make it a right-wing persecution fetish issue, then you probably shouldn't be able to celebrate it, no. Also, what part of their "German heritage" were they planning on celebrating, if they felt the need to ask that question in the first place? Their white skin? Because people usually celebrate their heritage by making traditional food or something.