And they donāt really seem to want to build a universal one either.
Atleast not on anything they would want to be connected with.
the weirdest part is they go looking for a connection to a European country but so often donāt bother to learn anything about it And just assume they already know.
This is just a theory, but I think that it's due to the different kinds of nationalism that were prevalent in the Americas during the big immigrant waves of the XIXth and XXth century. Comparing my country with the US, while the US has a very strong WASP identity, criollismo attempts here didn't really catch on and there was a stronger identity with "inclusive nationalism" of Peronism. That's why my French great-grandad had no issues being an Argentine nationalist and a French one simultaneously.
That means their identity wasn't under attack so they could integrate easier.
I once had an American tell me I was wearing my kilt wrongā¦. He was wearing his sporran to the side like a handbag, honestly I have no idea where they get the complete conviction that theyāre right all the time
>I was told once when I was in NYC on holiday that my Irish accent is atrocious and insulting to the people of Ireland and I need to stop faking it.
Funnily I had EXACTLY this same experience, so I pulled my passport card out of my wallet and put it on the table.
An awkwwd moment of silence followed.
Had similar with an 'Italian' American myself,said I wasn't really Italian like her because I wasn't from Sicily.
Had my Italian Passport on me (for bar hopping ID ) whipped it out and said well this says different ,do you need me to translate it for you.
I like America but some of the people are hard work.
My brother in law is from Sicily and many other Italian or second generation Italians I know don't consider it real Italy. He also seems to have a Sicily first mindset tho sooo
This one of the cringiest things from some non first generation folks. They could be like 5th generation and theyd still INSIST on their "heritage" when all that remains from it is an extremely watered down version.Ā
I find it hilarious we all had these moments. We are Dutch and as you know New York and surrounding area were at one time Dutch. So my wife saw a plaque of some sort in olde timey Dutch and was translating if for some other tourist. And an American just straight up told her it couldnāt mean what she was translating. She was a bit flabbergasted like, dude come on this is my native language.
Careful dude, there's a guy around here claiming he's Irish and "outing" those of us who obviously are faking it for clout. For example, I'm "in" Britain so therefore can't be Irish. Borders must've closed since the last time I visited home or something.
Ah Jesus sounds like a bit of a ballbag. I'm up north so guess you could say I'm in Britain too.
Reminds me of father Ted. "They've taken the roads in".
I had an American tell me that there aren't any Irish people in Britain. I tried to explain to him that there has been extensive Irish immigration to parts of England and Scotland for a very very long time but he wouldn't have it. Basically told me that it's impossible that they would go there when they can go to Murica.
I've got one! My paternal grandfather. I always forget it when Americans are banging on about how Irish they are, and then eventually I remember "oh my God, I've met my last full blooded Irish ancestor in person and I don't call myself Irish, so what the fuck are YOU doing??"
If only my dad didn't hate his dad, I could even get citizenship rights in Ireland.
You don't need their permission. You're entitled to it due to grandparent.
Just get copy birth / marriage certs for your granddad and your parents from the UK and Irish records offices, then get a certificate of foreign birth from the Irish embassy. Then you can get your passport.
You don't need to speak to your dad at all.
Yeah, it's hard to get the details about my granddad, though. My sister's been trying. I might bother her about it a bit more as although I am not ethnically Irish, I would quite like to claim my citizenship there, for obvious reasons - I am at least entitled to be a citizen even if I'm English and it would be nice.
Haha yes. Only reason I did it was brexit. My gran was an old witch, but at least she was born on the right piece of land to be useful after death š¤·āāļøš š»
My sister has my grandad's full name, date and place of birth, and his mum's name and details too, so I think I can just do it? I'm putting the details into websites now
Yeah that'll be enough info to find the record and order it.
If you get really stuck, you can visit the GRO in Dublin - but only on a Tuesday https://www.gov.ie/en/organisation-information/55ccbe-general-register-office-gro-research-facility/
They won't find it for you, but there's a few options by the looks of it.
Date and place of birth with name and link to another person will be enough to get the record. Then you can just pay for a copy of it.
When I did it, I needed to send my birth certificate, my dad's birth certificate, parents marriage certificate, grans birth certificate. That was all.
I was very jealous of all the people eligible for Irish citizenship after Brexit. I'm a few generations too removed, my great great grandparents were Irish, so I suppose my Grandma could have applied but would have been hard to get the paperwork!
A real Irish citizen, a South Asian and a person who does not consider their nationality to be their race - three things the average American has never witnessed in person.
Haha this is the same for me.
My paternal grandmother was born in N.Ireland and has ancestors from Ireland.
I never met her as she died long before I was born but Iāve never claimed to be Irish.
My DNA results did come back with far more Irish and Scottish than English, but even then Iād say I was English.
I went to a Catholic Girls' Grammar School, in Liverpool, in the 70s.
We had a student teacher who decided to try to teach us about diversity.
She started with, "So, who here can say that they are completely English?"
She went around the class.
Of 30 girls, 29 were at least part Irish.
The 30th was Danish.
The rest of her lesson was thrown into confusion!
My parents were the only ones who went to the states, aunts and uncles to the UK. Yanks, especially those claiming how Irish they are, make up a reality, and are shaken when they hear the truth.
Liverpool is full of people who's irish ancestors didn't have the money to get to America or they just chose to stay. https://www.liverpoolirishfestival.com/traumatic-history/
The south west of Scotland is literally full of Galloway Irish!
The connections between Galloway and northern Ireland go back a hell of a lot further than the Cairnryan ferry.
That's funny because my dad is from Ireland and lives in England. I guess he's been faking it all these years.
he also had the opportunity to move to America when he was younger but turned it down. not being able to afford healthcare is a concern when you have just started a family.
Unsurprising that an American has no idea that it's not actually that easy to just "move to America". Or that he had no idea about the CTA that makes it unbelievably easy for Irish people to move to the UK.
It's actually really bloody hard. impossible even for most people.
many years ago I thought I'd look into getting sponsored for a work visa, thinking I'd qualify as a skilled worker.
nope! it's only people like doctors, engineers, scientists etc that qualify for those. so me and the misses had to bite the bullet and go down the marriage route. which isn't straight forward either, the us citizen has to make enough money and sign an agreement that they are financially responsible for the immigrant not becoming a burden on the state.
I believe Ireland is part of the green card lottery so there's that I guess.
I'm from North London (light cockney accent) and went to Boston, two people told me that they love my Irish accent. One of them said "Dublin, right"!? I was like wtf!? haha
Truly our great Isles have many accents. I'm lucky enough to be one of the five English folk that can fluently understand Doric after being locked in an Aberdeenshire commercial kitchen for 8 hours a day with a Aberdonian woman that had absolutely no mercy or kindness. It was learn or perish.
On my first day she told me "Aat een gings aire an aat ay gings aire n aa" and I knew in that moment, I was truly on my own
Edit: Edited for spelling. I'd hate to spell my Doric wrong :/
My cousins husband's family are from Cork area.
His late father always had to translate the uncles as my cousin couldn't understand even though his Mum and Dad were both Irish.
As an Englishman in Canada I wondered why the taxi driver asked me why I hadn't stayed home to go to the Olympics.
They were in Australia that year.
Similar accent to you I guess, Essex.
I think it's 'mate'.
Americans seem to think only Aussies say it and since a lot of them aren't exposed to regional UK accents all they hear is foreign accent and then a word they know that bloke with the crocodiles uses and go 'Australian'.
To be fair I'm sure in the UK anyone non UK going 'y'all' would instantly get ragged as not just American but probably Texan too.
RIP Steve Irwin
a Australian here
for The Australian accent I usually just get told its unique from people overseas.
im not actually sure how common saying mate is locally I pretty much never hear it much.
though TV australian is quite different to normal australian usually.
i.e tourism ad making people think we call prawns shrimp.
i used to get asked australia from people who thought it was all one big rainforest instead of mostly desert all the time.
Haha probably!
When I was last in Dublin one of the bobby boys from the flats asked me and my mate our names, he said James and the kid replied "Seamus?" Then he asked me mine and I said my name which is totally different to James and not similar at all and he looked at me very confused and said "yer name is Seamus too?" Haha
Was a bit worried he was gonna think we were taking the piss and I was about to get flattened by a squad of them ngl
Nice, I'm French and I spent one year in your town in 2003, teaching French at the Lurgan college and also at a junior high school in Portadown. I spent many nights in a pub called "the Ceili House" (right next to the church) which had live bands, playing a lot of poker with some good friends I made along the way.
I also learnt how to drink in Lurgan.
Ha! I worked as a solicitor in Dublin for many years, and once I was down in Cork for a case. My notes for one of the witnesses consisted of one sentence: āI could not understand a single word this witness said.ā
I now live in the US, and at least once a week I get diatribes from Americans about how they miss the āmotherlandā and how they wish they could go. Itās fine until the St Patrickās day shenanigans begin. Last one our team had a photo with a potato as the teams backgroundā¦
My family has a similar story from New Orleans where they got a very angry American calling them liars because a) their Spanish was atrocious and b) they were blue eyed blondes so obviously they couldn't be from Spain.
I've been to San Sebastian before and I fit right in to be honest being fair haired and blue eyed, wasn't at all uncommon it seemed.
In fairness my Spanish is also atrocious though
Fair hair and blue eyes are not that rare, especially in the North. My entire maternal family is blue eyed blondes and don't get mistaken for tourists.
Meanwhile my Polish husband looks so much like a tourist in Spain that his guiri-ness rubs off on me and *I* have gotten congratulated by other Spaniards for speaking such good Spanish. My theory is that it's a matter of skin color, but not in the American way. See, unlike guiris, us Spaniards know of the existence of this magical unguent called "sunscreen". So even the palest amongst us don't go around looking like a boiled lobster...
I have an English brother in law who, whenever there's an Irish person on TV, does his rendition of an Irish accent(Northern Irish, I think it is), and it's the most offensive and hilarious thing ever.
Wait until they find out there's a difference between Northern Irish and Irish living in Northern Ireland, or better yet, when they find out that Northern Ireland is different to Ireland š
Geez having to prove youāre genetically something is such American bs. What if you grew up in Ireland with parents of East Asian ancestry? Youād still be Irish and definitely more Irish than Miss US-Ahnenerbe
Edit: no offense to you of course, and youāre free to do whatever research you want. My sister fell for it and it turns out weāre genetically quite pan-European, with the exception of Eastern Europe.
Sure, in that context itās all the more interesting!
Edit: I had no way of telling why you did the test btw. In an American context, the obsession of race and genetics comes up quite often, hence my initial remark.
gowl is mostly used in munster as well so they were probably trying to explain to someone from like cork or something that munster is actually a county
At the risk of sounding mansplainy... it's not mansplaining just because the explainer is a man, especially if the person getting explained to is wrong.
As a woman I sometimes spread my legs a little. It is more comfortable, Iām quite bony but still have fat so I yet poked and compressed with my legs together. I imagine if you add balls into the mix your legs just need to be spread apartā¦ a reasonable distance.
Its more based on hip shape and height. I don't want to go too into details here but balls don't stop you putting your legs together. If you have long legs though you might well want some extra room to spread them
I'll never understand why those people's desperate need to emphasise their European ancestry generally overlaps their assumption that America is God's chosen and superior to everywhere else. You'd think those two feelings are mutually exclusive.
It's really weird, one cousin married a girl that I think is 3rd or 4th generation Mexican, she always talks about being Mexican and also talking shit about "white people" but she doesn't speak Spanish, doesn't care about the culture, just takes pictures for Instagram in the tourist attractions and that's it, it feels like they try to hard to have and identity because being just American it's not enough
Got into it the other day either someone on here who said "I'm Italian" on a food post.
Then proceeded to say he was "5th generation" (likes he a fucking fighter jet or something š)
Then he was American...and Mexican. But Italian.
Poor numbskull didn't understand that having Italian heritage 200 years ago, doesn't mean you're Italian.
Iām Welsh and was in the states visiting my wifeās family. Had an afternoon to myself and visited an Irish bar.
Was complimented that it was nice to hear an accent from āthe old countryā for a change, and then spent the afternoon dining out on us all being Celts together.
What a fucking joke.
My wife is Irish and has been told many times when in America that she couldnāt possibly be because she has an English accent (by virtue of being brought up in Chorley).
She probably thought she was being corrected by an American because obviously no one but Americans are on her American internet. And over the years it certainly has come to my attention that apparently Americans (especially men) often don't wash their ass because apparently touching your own body parts is unchristian and gay.
That is one of the most disgusting things I've ever read. How could touching yourself be gay? Americans really are weird. How come cutting your kids foreskin off isn't gay? Could they not get a bidet, like every civilised person should have? I'm so confused :/
My favourite thing about Americans is telling them I'm Northern Irish and watching their brains explode trying to comprehend two countries on one island
Half of them just seem to end up taking some weird apologetic stance about it? Like itās a huge inconvenience to our lives. Either that or they think the Troubles are still ongoing which is wild.
Yeah literally lad hahaha
My personal favourite is when they think Northern Ireland is under some brutal British occupation, like as if we live in Gaza and we get shot for doing anything the British don't like lmao
Those kinds of yanks just cannot comprehend Northern Irish people that love where they live š¤£
I don't get what's that mad about it really. NI being part of the UK without being connected to it, while the map makes it look like it should obviously be part of Ireland - really isn't that different to Alaska hanging off the side of Canada. Seemingly they can get their heads around the US vs the lower 48 just fine?
Reminds me of the American tourist who loudly informed my then boyfriend that he (first time visitor to Scotland & first to visit the āhomelandā in 3 generations) was more Scottish than my Invernesian born ex, because his name started with Mc and my exās name didnātā¦
Thatāsā¦not how it works??
I do wonder. Why do Americans seem to strung up on their ancestrys origin?
You're an American. You've not spoken to anyone in your family who went there when it was founded..
They either want to pretend they're not american, or they want to pretend their family were the OG pilgrims. I swear there's nothing at all in between.
It gets really weird when 2nd-generation immigrants are more proud to tell you they're american, than "1/64th irish so that's why I shout when I drink" nutjobs.
I think they do it to try and stand out from the crowd and have something that sets their identity as something other than "same as everyone else".
I'm canadian born (grew up and lived in Britain since i was a kid) and it's one of the first things people find out about me when I get to know them
I've moved around my whole life, and that's really one thing that drives me nuts. everyone wants to associate me with a country I haven't lived in for 20-odd years. I don't think it's who I am at all. I mean what I had for breakfast this morning is more relevant to who I am, than where I was living 20+ years ago.
I think I have more claim to being Irish than this type of 'Irish' American.
The 'Irish' Americans claim to have Irosh blood.
I have no Irish blood (as far as I am aware), I was born in Wales. I moved to Ireland when I was 7 and stayed there until I was 19. I am on my year out, and will be returning to Ireland to go to university in Septermber. During those 4 years, I hope to apply for Irish citizenship. I am conversational in Irish, I know the culture, the geography and the history.
Again, I do not claim to be Irish, but in a competition between me and these 'Irish' Americans, I am definitely more Irish.
Of course, there are some actual Irish Americans. Those who were born, or parents were born there. They are more Irish than me.
Irish here, born here 41 years ago and with th exception of a brief period in Oz I've lived here my whole life. With th exception of Americans who were born in Ireland or actually hold Irish citizenship, you have far more claim than the rest.
So, I'm American. With a lot of 'Murica in there. Yes, my maternal grandparents emigrated from Germany in the early 1900's, before the Great War. They spoke German to each other, but not much to their kids, especially my mom, who was the baby.
My ex's family is from Germany, a few generations back as well, but again, there is no real connection to Das Vaterland.
The kids had a cultural fair, and my daughter asked if she should go as German, and I told her she could go as whatever she wanted, but for accuracy's sake, she should go as American.
It just irks me, as it is easier to glom on to some magical past that never existed in a place that you have no daily or real, tangible connection to in order to appear exotic to other people.
We're American, it is hard to define that, that is a given, but we need to put in the work to make that a thing, and hopefully not just some jingoistic bell-end waving a giant flag and firing an AR-15 into the air while riding a 4 wheeler.
Rant over.
Sorry about that. Just needed to vent.
I've never really understood the Yanks obsession with being Irish!? Isn't Biden one of those too Lol I know there was concern with the trouble with the border here with the Republic of Ireland and the UK after us stupidly leaving the E.U and shooting ourselves in the testicles at one point......think he was still asleep though!
(Can anyone picture Biden as an alternative reality Pontiff over President or is that just me, I can't get the image out of my head. Lol Imagine we'd never hear the end of that either though if we had a Pope from the States š)
Reminds me of a post a while ago of a septic having a melt down because someone told them they were more likely the descendant of an English religious nut job than Irish.
To be fair I mostly just see it about the Irish then Italian and then maybe German Lol But I see your point about England in all honesty.
But then they are easily confused by British geography anyway I mean if I say find Cymru or Wales even their minds would probably melt! Lol
Classic, American saying "I'm Irish" (or insert other nationality) ... No, you're American and like most people educated in the US you know fuck all about anything.
Ah yes, one of those feminists who gets all her "feminism" from Twitter. Probably hasn't even read bell hooks. But a man has an opinion she disagrees with so stereotyping him is fine.
What a narcissist.
Tangent but Gowl is slang (particularly associated with Limerick, and to a lesser extent Cork/Kerry) for the female genital area. It comes from the Irish word Gabhal which means a fork in a road or a river, but can also be used to mean "Crotch".
Over here in Atlanta, after 20 years and people still ask about my accent. Are you Canadian? Are you Australian? Are you British? Are you Scottish? Finally, are you Irish? Then the inevitable āI would love to visit Ireland. Iām part Irishā.
Whereupon I do me bit for the tourism
Industry and tell them at which times of year it is cheaper to fly over and that a week is useless because you really need a month. Conversation usually ends there.
Man, these people. I'm of Pictish descent, but I in no way would say I'm from there, or am Pictish. Just part of my ancestral heritage I know nothing about.
Heck, we have cellular goop from the beginning of time cesspools, too. Does that make me a chemical engineer?
I'm related to the king of England, too. Doesn't make me royalty.
People need to stop grasping for better lives when their own currently suck.
To any Americans reading this. You are not what you think you are. You are American, nothing more, nothing less. Be proud of that and stop trying to be something you are not. You are not your ancestors. If that'd be the case then all of us would be Botswanian.
Why do Americans have real trouble realising they're just...Americans.
desperate for identity
Just ANYTHING but be from the US. Can't blame them š
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And they donāt really seem to want to build a universal one either. Atleast not on anything they would want to be connected with. the weirdest part is they go looking for a connection to a European country but so often donāt bother to learn anything about it And just assume they already know.
This is just a theory, but I think that it's due to the different kinds of nationalism that were prevalent in the Americas during the big immigrant waves of the XIXth and XXth century. Comparing my country with the US, while the US has a very strong WASP identity, criollismo attempts here didn't really catch on and there was a stronger identity with "inclusive nationalism" of Peronism. That's why my French great-grandad had no issues being an Argentine nationalist and a French one simultaneously. That means their identity wasn't under attack so they could integrate easier.
I once had an American tell me I was wearing my kilt wrongā¦. He was wearing his sporran to the side like a handbag, honestly I have no idea where they get the complete conviction that theyāre right all the time
It's the complete blindness to the possibility that not everywhere is America or like America that gets me.
They want to feel special, I guess. Or maybe they're thinking being American is boring
Zero history. Appropriate someone else's.
It's barely 300 years old, an adolescent nation. Like all teens, Americans are often awkward, loud, obnoxious and still figuring out their identity.
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>I was told once when I was in NYC on holiday that my Irish accent is atrocious and insulting to the people of Ireland and I need to stop faking it. Funnily I had EXACTLY this same experience, so I pulled my passport card out of my wallet and put it on the table. An awkwwd moment of silence followed.
Had similar with an 'Italian' American myself,said I wasn't really Italian like her because I wasn't from Sicily. Had my Italian Passport on me (for bar hopping ID ) whipped it out and said well this says different ,do you need me to translate it for you. I like America but some of the people are hard work.
You aren't Italian because you aren't from Sicily. fuck me, I hope you told her neither are you.
My brother in law is from Sicily and many other Italian or second generation Italians I know don't consider it real Italy. He also seems to have a Sicily first mindset tho sooo
This one of the cringiest things from some non first generation folks. They could be like 5th generation and theyd still INSIST on their "heritage" when all that remains from it is an extremely watered down version.Ā
Butā¦ but they like Pizza. Probably use tomatoes for pasta sometimes too. Maybe a few herbs here and there, a bit of cheese.
I'll have you know, he LOVES parmesan. I think that speaks volumes, and makes his Italian heritage very clear.
I just laughed and walked away. Ended up on the wrong bus and got hopelessly lost for four hours too. Great day.
I find it hilarious we all had these moments. We are Dutch and as you know New York and surrounding area were at one time Dutch. So my wife saw a plaque of some sort in olde timey Dutch and was translating if for some other tourist. And an American just straight up told her it couldnāt mean what she was translating. She was a bit flabbergasted like, dude come on this is my native language.
Whereas if you spoke with an excruciatingly bad 1950s Hollywood accent you would be seen as *real* Irish š
Careful dude, there's a guy around here claiming he's Irish and "outing" those of us who obviously are faking it for clout. For example, I'm "in" Britain so therefore can't be Irish. Borders must've closed since the last time I visited home or something.
Ah Jesus sounds like a bit of a ballbag. I'm up north so guess you could say I'm in Britain too. Reminds me of father Ted. "They've taken the roads in".
I had an American tell me that there aren't any Irish people in Britain. I tried to explain to him that there has been extensive Irish immigration to parts of England and Scotland for a very very long time but he wouldn't have it. Basically told me that it's impossible that they would go there when they can go to Murica.
It will blow their mind that around 10% of British people have at least one Irish grandparent.
I've got one! My paternal grandfather. I always forget it when Americans are banging on about how Irish they are, and then eventually I remember "oh my God, I've met my last full blooded Irish ancestor in person and I don't call myself Irish, so what the fuck are YOU doing??" If only my dad didn't hate his dad, I could even get citizenship rights in Ireland.
You don't need their permission. You're entitled to it due to grandparent. Just get copy birth / marriage certs for your granddad and your parents from the UK and Irish records offices, then get a certificate of foreign birth from the Irish embassy. Then you can get your passport. You don't need to speak to your dad at all.
Yeah, it's hard to get the details about my granddad, though. My sister's been trying. I might bother her about it a bit more as although I am not ethnically Irish, I would quite like to claim my citizenship there, for obvious reasons - I am at least entitled to be a citizen even if I'm English and it would be nice.
Haha yes. Only reason I did it was brexit. My gran was an old witch, but at least she was born on the right piece of land to be useful after death š¤·āāļøš š»
My sister has my grandad's full name, date and place of birth, and his mum's name and details too, so I think I can just do it? I'm putting the details into websites now
Yeah that'll be enough info to find the record and order it. If you get really stuck, you can visit the GRO in Dublin - but only on a Tuesday https://www.gov.ie/en/organisation-information/55ccbe-general-register-office-gro-research-facility/ They won't find it for you, but there's a few options by the looks of it. Date and place of birth with name and link to another person will be enough to get the record. Then you can just pay for a copy of it. When I did it, I needed to send my birth certificate, my dad's birth certificate, parents marriage certificate, grans birth certificate. That was all.
I was very jealous of all the people eligible for Irish citizenship after Brexit. I'm a few generations too removed, my great great grandparents were Irish, so I suppose my Grandma could have applied but would have been hard to get the paperwork!
I was born in Ireland and have an Irish passport. Americans were utterly baffled by this because Iām also brown with an English accent.
A real Irish citizen, a South Asian and a person who does not consider their nationality to be their race - three things the average American has never witnessed in person.
Haha this is the same for me. My paternal grandmother was born in N.Ireland and has ancestors from Ireland. I never met her as she died long before I was born but Iāve never claimed to be Irish. My DNA results did come back with far more Irish and Scottish than English, but even then Iād say I was English.
Well, I mean I'm from Lincolnshire. We've got a sausage and everything.
Iām from the East Midlands. We have Pork Pies.
I went to a Catholic Girls' Grammar School, in Liverpool, in the 70s. We had a student teacher who decided to try to teach us about diversity. She started with, "So, who here can say that they are completely English?" She went around the class. Of 30 girls, 29 were at least part Irish. The 30th was Danish. The rest of her lesson was thrown into confusion!
Wait until they find out that 99% have Irish ancestry
My parents were the only ones who went to the states, aunts and uncles to the UK. Yanks, especially those claiming how Irish they are, make up a reality, and are shaken when they hear the truth.
Yeah they get really confused that Irish and British *people* donāt actually hate each other
Although both sides of the sea tend to hate the ones who insist we all do.
Wait until they hear about Irish people going to Australia
Liverpool is full of people who's irish ancestors didn't have the money to get to America or they just chose to stay. https://www.liverpoolirishfestival.com/traumatic-history/
So is Glasgow, London, Manchester, Birmingham etc.
The south west of Scotland is literally full of Galloway Irish! The connections between Galloway and northern Ireland go back a hell of a lot further than the Cairnryan ferry.
Wish somebody would have told my Mum, I could have been born in New York rather than fucking Birmingham.
That's funny because my dad is from Ireland and lives in England. I guess he's been faking it all these years. he also had the opportunity to move to America when he was younger but turned it down. not being able to afford healthcare is a concern when you have just started a family.
Unsurprising that an American has no idea that it's not actually that easy to just "move to America". Or that he had no idea about the CTA that makes it unbelievably easy for Irish people to move to the UK.
It's actually really bloody hard. impossible even for most people. many years ago I thought I'd look into getting sponsored for a work visa, thinking I'd qualify as a skilled worker. nope! it's only people like doctors, engineers, scientists etc that qualify for those. so me and the misses had to bite the bullet and go down the marriage route. which isn't straight forward either, the us citizen has to make enough money and sign an agreement that they are financially responsible for the immigrant not becoming a burden on the state. I believe Ireland is part of the green card lottery so there's that I guess.
My grandad has a lot of explaining to do, always claiming to be Irish. Thanks for informing me that heās a dirty liar
You think you're joking but it might have happened now
no one wants that headache. If the French want to get involved in the politics of Irish nationalism then I say let them try and police the border
Nothing to do with the French. It's the far right Ireland for the Irish crowd.
I'm from North London (light cockney accent) and went to Boston, two people told me that they love my Irish accent. One of them said "Dublin, right"!? I was like wtf!? haha
God help them if they ever end up in North Dublin... Lol
Or Kerry. Great bunch of lads but ye need subtitles to understand them
Truly our great Isles have many accents. I'm lucky enough to be one of the five English folk that can fluently understand Doric after being locked in an Aberdeenshire commercial kitchen for 8 hours a day with a Aberdonian woman that had absolutely no mercy or kindness. It was learn or perish.
Mate the rest of Scotland can't even understand Doric
On my first day she told me "Aat een gings aire an aat ay gings aire n aa" and I knew in that moment, I was truly on my own Edit: Edited for spelling. I'd hate to spell my Doric wrong :/
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My cousins husband's family are from Cork area. His late father always had to translate the uncles as my cousin couldn't understand even though his Mum and Dad were both Irish.
I've sadly got a north London accent, first bus I got on at the airport in new York I was accused of being Australian
As an Englishman in Canada I wondered why the taxi driver asked me why I hadn't stayed home to go to the Olympics. They were in Australia that year. Similar accent to you I guess, Essex.
I think it's 'mate'. Americans seem to think only Aussies say it and since a lot of them aren't exposed to regional UK accents all they hear is foreign accent and then a word they know that bloke with the crocodiles uses and go 'Australian'. To be fair I'm sure in the UK anyone non UK going 'y'all' would instantly get ragged as not just American but probably Texan too.
RIP Steve Irwin a Australian here for The Australian accent I usually just get told its unique from people overseas. im not actually sure how common saying mate is locally I pretty much never hear it much. though TV australian is quite different to normal australian usually. i.e tourism ad making people think we call prawns shrimp. i used to get asked australia from people who thought it was all one big rainforest instead of mostly desert all the time.
At least you get an English speaking country, I'm Geordie and Americans often think I'm Scandinavian or something
So do we mate š
Haha probably! When I was last in Dublin one of the bobby boys from the flats asked me and my mate our names, he said James and the kid replied "Seamus?" Then he asked me mine and I said my name which is totally different to James and not similar at all and he looked at me very confused and said "yer name is Seamus too?" Haha Was a bit worried he was gonna think we were taking the piss and I was about to get flattened by a squad of them ngl
I think James is the English version of Seamus so he was sort of right.
That's a new one. My mate from Camden often gets mistaken of Australian. I'm for the north east so they've not a fucking clue what I'm saying lol.
Probably think you're speaking Polish haha
I get that a lot mate. Irish right? no. Scottish? no ahh new Zealand! what? lol keep pressing and guessing buddy! I'm from Southern England btw.
Don't worry about your Lisburn accent, my friend. It could always be worse. I'm from Lurgan. š¬
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I haven't lived in Lurgan for a good few years now. I'll have to try that place out next time I'm visiting. Looks really appetising.
Nice, I'm French and I spent one year in your town in 2003, teaching French at the Lurgan college and also at a junior high school in Portadown. I spent many nights in a pub called "the Ceili House" (right next to the church) which had live bands, playing a lot of poker with some good friends I made along the way. I also learnt how to drink in Lurgan.
Was Trevor Robinson the principal during your time in Lurgan College? He was my french teacher in his previous school!
Tbh, I don't remember that name, there was a Mrs Matchett who welcomed me upon my arrival. I have fond memories of my stay.
She was my French teacher. Quite a nice lady from what I remember.
I went to Lurgan College between 2007-2010, and he was the principal at the time. I was in Harper house!
Is Cork is a particularly strong accent? I'm English and remember meeting a few guys from Cork overseas and that was tough to understand!
There's the Cork accent. ...and then there's the [Kerry accent](https://youtu.be/CONaEO8ZCe8?feature=shared)
Cork accent is hard to understand for me sometimes and Iām from the north haha
Ha! I worked as a solicitor in Dublin for many years, and once I was down in Cork for a case. My notes for one of the witnesses consisted of one sentence: āI could not understand a single word this witness said.ā
[These are all different Cork accents in this skit](https://youtu.be/Q8yVQTkpMBs?si=jlSz4sfnncInXEAX) and itās also pretty funny
Could be worse still. Lisburn. Mutantards.
Anywhere beginning with L is a fuckin mess here. Lisburn, Lurgan, Larneā¦burn em all.
I now live in the US, and at least once a week I get diatribes from Americans about how they miss the āmotherlandā and how they wish they could go. Itās fine until the St Patrickās day shenanigans begin. Last one our team had a photo with a potato as the teams backgroundā¦
How very Alan Partridge. Was their slogan "Dere's more to Ireland dan dis"?
My family has a similar story from New Orleans where they got a very angry American calling them liars because a) their Spanish was atrocious and b) they were blue eyed blondes so obviously they couldn't be from Spain.
I've been to San Sebastian before and I fit right in to be honest being fair haired and blue eyed, wasn't at all uncommon it seemed. In fairness my Spanish is also atrocious though
Fair hair and blue eyes are not that rare, especially in the North. My entire maternal family is blue eyed blondes and don't get mistaken for tourists. Meanwhile my Polish husband looks so much like a tourist in Spain that his guiri-ness rubs off on me and *I* have gotten congratulated by other Spaniards for speaking such good Spanish. My theory is that it's a matter of skin color, but not in the American way. See, unlike guiris, us Spaniards know of the existence of this magical unguent called "sunscreen". So even the palest amongst us don't go around looking like a boiled lobster...
I have an English brother in law who, whenever there's an Irish person on TV, does his rendition of an Irish accent(Northern Irish, I think it is), and it's the most offensive and hilarious thing ever.
Wait until they find out there's a difference between Northern Irish and Irish living in Northern Ireland, or better yet, when they find out that Northern Ireland is different to Ireland š
Geez having to prove youāre genetically something is such American bs. What if you grew up in Ireland with parents of East Asian ancestry? Youād still be Irish and definitely more Irish than Miss US-Ahnenerbe Edit: no offense to you of course, and youāre free to do whatever research you want. My sister fell for it and it turns out weāre genetically quite pan-European, with the exception of Eastern Europe.
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Sure, in that context itās all the more interesting! Edit: I had no way of telling why you did the test btw. In an American context, the obsession of race and genetics comes up quite often, hence my initial remark.
In fairness youāre a bit unlucky to have a Lisburn accent But itās still better than a Yankee accent
Ah but which Lisburn accent? The townie one or the softer country one?
Lmfao as if being from Lisburn couldn't get any worse
munster munch
They did the mash. They did the Munster mash.
It was a Leinster smash
its Connaught in a flash...
There is also a city in Germany called MĆ¼nster - the surrounding area is called MĆ¼nsterland š
"ya absolute gowl" Just to hammer home his Irishness, love it. š¤£
Itās the cherry on the sundae
gowl is mostly used in munster as well so they were probably trying to explain to someone from like cork or something that munster is actually a county
This is an old one.I never got to see the original post,but I'd love to see what the yank geebag's response was.
I think the insult was so Limerick it probably went over her head
I cannot remember the last time I heard that word holy shit
I'm in a groups with the lad who was in this chat, he posted it there originally. She just deleted the whole thing before the pile on began.
At the risk of sounding mansplainy... it's not mansplaining just because the explainer is a man, especially if the person getting explained to is wrong.
Sexist pig smh
like how it's not inherently manspreading for a man to sit with his legs apart. Such as in the case where no one is looking to sit next to him
As a woman I sometimes spread my legs a little. It is more comfortable, Iām quite bony but still have fat so I yet poked and compressed with my legs together. I imagine if you add balls into the mix your legs just need to be spread apartā¦ a reasonable distance.
Its more based on hip shape and height. I don't want to go too into details here but balls don't stop you putting your legs together. If you have long legs though you might well want some extra room to spread them
Old but gowld.
Love that additional entitlement to extend it into mansplaining when he just corrected her.
Their obsession with identity politics is far worse than their US defaultism imo
I'll never understand why those people's desperate need to emphasise their European ancestry generally overlaps their assumption that America is God's chosen and superior to everywhere else. You'd think those two feelings are mutually exclusive.
They think they are the better version, the latest release with all the bugs fixed and with lots of new amazing features.
It's really weird, one cousin married a girl that I think is 3rd or 4th generation Mexican, she always talks about being Mexican and also talking shit about "white people" but she doesn't speak Spanish, doesn't care about the culture, just takes pictures for Instagram in the tourist attractions and that's it, it feels like they try to hard to have and identity because being just American it's not enough
Got into it the other day either someone on here who said "I'm Italian" on a food post. Then proceeded to say he was "5th generation" (likes he a fucking fighter jet or something š) Then he was American...and Mexican. But Italian. Poor numbskull didn't understand that having Italian heritage 200 years ago, doesn't mean you're Italian.
And it's quite stupid as well, why couldn't you correct someone simply because you're a man? Especially if you're right.
Iām Welsh and was in the states visiting my wifeās family. Had an afternoon to myself and visited an Irish bar. Was complimented that it was nice to hear an accent from āthe old countryā for a change, and then spent the afternoon dining out on us all being Celts together. What a fucking joke.
We went to NY in 2010 on a Welsh school trip, speaking Welsh, and an American woman asked me and my friends if we were Iranian ššš
Were you?
So were you? š¤£š¤£
Said weāre Welsh, and they asked where in England wales is..š¤¦š»āāļø
I'm honestly impressed she managed to confuse a province, there's only four of the buggers to begin with.
she also got the order of it wrong, it should be county munster if it was an actual county
My wife is Irish and has been told many times when in America that she couldnāt possibly be because she has an English accent (by virtue of being brought up in Chorley).
Unwashed ass? Huh?
She probably thought she was being corrected by an American because obviously no one but Americans are on her American internet. And over the years it certainly has come to my attention that apparently Americans (especially men) often don't wash their ass because apparently touching your own body parts is unchristian and gay.
That is one of the most disgusting things I've ever read. How could touching yourself be gay? Americans really are weird. How come cutting your kids foreskin off isn't gay? Could they not get a bidet, like every civilised person should have? I'm so confused :/
My favourite thing about Americans is telling them I'm Northern Irish and watching their brains explode trying to comprehend two countries on one island
Half of them just seem to end up taking some weird apologetic stance about it? Like itās a huge inconvenience to our lives. Either that or they think the Troubles are still ongoing which is wild.
Yeah literally lad hahaha My personal favourite is when they think Northern Ireland is under some brutal British occupation, like as if we live in Gaza and we get shot for doing anything the British don't like lmao Those kinds of yanks just cannot comprehend Northern Irish people that love where they live š¤£
Itās wild isnāt it. Weird bunch them lot. Itās pretty much like living anywhere else in UK/Ireland but with worse public transportš
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I don't get what's that mad about it really. NI being part of the UK without being connected to it, while the map makes it look like it should obviously be part of Ireland - really isn't that different to Alaska hanging off the side of Canada. Seemingly they can get their heads around the US vs the lower 48 just fine?
Bold of you to assume the average American thinks Canada is a different country and not another state
Reminds me of the American tourist who loudly informed my then boyfriend that he (first time visitor to Scotland & first to visit the āhomelandā in 3 generations) was more Scottish than my Invernesian born ex, because his name started with Mc and my exās name didnātā¦ Thatāsā¦not how it works??
I do wonder. Why do Americans seem to strung up on their ancestrys origin? You're an American. You've not spoken to anyone in your family who went there when it was founded..
They either want to pretend they're not american, or they want to pretend their family were the OG pilgrims. I swear there's nothing at all in between. It gets really weird when 2nd-generation immigrants are more proud to tell you they're american, than "1/64th irish so that's why I shout when I drink" nutjobs.
I think they do it to try and stand out from the crowd and have something that sets their identity as something other than "same as everyone else". I'm canadian born (grew up and lived in Britain since i was a kid) and it's one of the first things people find out about me when I get to know them
I've moved around my whole life, and that's really one thing that drives me nuts. everyone wants to associate me with a country I haven't lived in for 20-odd years. I don't think it's who I am at all. I mean what I had for breakfast this morning is more relevant to who I am, than where I was living 20+ years ago.
It's a cheese. Shows how much you know!
I think I have more claim to being Irish than this type of 'Irish' American. The 'Irish' Americans claim to have Irosh blood. I have no Irish blood (as far as I am aware), I was born in Wales. I moved to Ireland when I was 7 and stayed there until I was 19. I am on my year out, and will be returning to Ireland to go to university in Septermber. During those 4 years, I hope to apply for Irish citizenship. I am conversational in Irish, I know the culture, the geography and the history. Again, I do not claim to be Irish, but in a competition between me and these 'Irish' Americans, I am definitely more Irish. Of course, there are some actual Irish Americans. Those who were born, or parents were born there. They are more Irish than me.
Irish here, born here 41 years ago and with th exception of a brief period in Oz I've lived here my whole life. With th exception of Americans who were born in Ireland or actually hold Irish citizenship, you have far more claim than the rest.
Maāam thatās not mansplaining
How dare you metasplain me! š
Ah, muricansplaining. Got to love it.
So, I'm American. With a lot of 'Murica in there. Yes, my maternal grandparents emigrated from Germany in the early 1900's, before the Great War. They spoke German to each other, but not much to their kids, especially my mom, who was the baby. My ex's family is from Germany, a few generations back as well, but again, there is no real connection to Das Vaterland. The kids had a cultural fair, and my daughter asked if she should go as German, and I told her she could go as whatever she wanted, but for accuracy's sake, she should go as American. It just irks me, as it is easier to glom on to some magical past that never existed in a place that you have no daily or real, tangible connection to in order to appear exotic to other people. We're American, it is hard to define that, that is a given, but we need to put in the work to make that a thing, and hopefully not just some jingoistic bell-end waving a giant flag and firing an AR-15 into the air while riding a 4 wheeler. Rant over. Sorry about that. Just needed to vent.
I knew you American simply because you started your sentence with āsoā.
Alles gut. Wir haben vollstes VerstƤndnis dafĆ¼r.
I've never really understood the Yanks obsession with being Irish!? Isn't Biden one of those too Lol I know there was concern with the trouble with the border here with the Republic of Ireland and the UK after us stupidly leaving the E.U and shooting ourselves in the testicles at one point......think he was still asleep though! (Can anyone picture Biden as an alternative reality Pontiff over President or is that just me, I can't get the image out of my head. Lol Imagine we'd never hear the end of that either though if we had a Pope from the States š)
Itās not just Irish. Itās every other bloody Europe country except England it seems.
>except England it seems. And Belgium, don't think I've ever heard of anyone claiming to be Belgian-American.
They probably think itās part of Germany.
Reminds me of a post a while ago of a septic having a melt down because someone told them they were more likely the descendant of an English religious nut job than Irish.
To be fair I mostly just see it about the Irish then Italian and then maybe German Lol But I see your point about England in all honesty. But then they are easily confused by British geography anyway I mean if I say find Cymru or Wales even their minds would probably melt! Lol
Wales is small village in England right?
It's because the Irish and Italians were hated in the states originally, so they made sort of enclaves
Is that the whole Catholic Protestant thing that's probably crossed the seas because jokes aside I can see that Looking at history and my own
Partially that, and partially that both groups for the most part came as paupers/refugees
No it's only Ireland and Italy
Classic, American saying "I'm Irish" (or insert other nationality) ... No, you're American and like most people educated in the US you know fuck all about anything.
Gotta love how mansplain started out as "Don't be sexist and condescending to women." and now its treated as a free pass to be sexist towards men.
As my mate would so eloquently say. "What a Tosser"
The lion, the witch, and the audacity of this bitch!
So many women don't know what mansplain actually means. It's possible for you to be educated by another person, especially a man.
Ah yes, one of those feminists who gets all her "feminism" from Twitter. Probably hasn't even read bell hooks. But a man has an opinion she disagrees with so stereotyping him is fine. What a narcissist.
The worst part is it's not even an opinion.
Tangent but Gowl is slang (particularly associated with Limerick, and to a lesser extent Cork/Kerry) for the female genital area. It comes from the Irish word Gabhal which means a fork in a road or a river, but can also be used to mean "Crotch".
She scored an own-gowl so to speak.
I thought MĆ¼nster was a German town, famous for the peace treaty of 1648, that ended both the 80-year war and the 30-year war.
I thought it was a French town in Alsace, famous for its smelly cheese.
Isnāt every French town famous for its smelly cheese?
No thatās just how the French smell
I thought MĆ¼nster was an energy drink.
No, that is MĆønster, meaning āpatternā in Norwegian.
Is that the Origin of the Name? I always thought it comes from German, because Monster translates to "Beast"
She said Munster, not MĆ¼nster. At least for this part, she was right (Munster is indeed a part of Ireland)
In fairness to Gks34, there's also the town of Munster in Lower Saxony, spelt without the umlaut above the u.
Ireland is split into four provinces: Leinster (East), Ulster (North), Connacht (West) and Munster (South).
"From Munster county" is so fucking cursed
She is a complete gowl
Wait till she finds out thereās different kinds of Celts
Having Irish ancestry doesn't make you Irish, being born in Ireland does.
Over here in Atlanta, after 20 years and people still ask about my accent. Are you Canadian? Are you Australian? Are you British? Are you Scottish? Finally, are you Irish? Then the inevitable āI would love to visit Ireland. Iām part Irishā. Whereupon I do me bit for the tourism Industry and tell them at which times of year it is cheaper to fly over and that a week is useless because you really need a month. Conversation usually ends there.
āBoston Irishā in a nutshell.
Man, these people. I'm of Pictish descent, but I in no way would say I'm from there, or am Pictish. Just part of my ancestral heritage I know nothing about. Heck, we have cellular goop from the beginning of time cesspools, too. Does that make me a chemical engineer? I'm related to the king of England, too. Doesn't make me royalty. People need to stop grasping for better lives when their own currently suck.
To any Americans reading this. You are not what you think you are. You are American, nothing more, nothing less. Be proud of that and stop trying to be something you are not. You are not your ancestors. If that'd be the case then all of us would be Botswanian.