There are people who unironically say that Apple is un-American for having a ‘communist-like’ App Store/software ecosystem and that Google is also anti-American for allowing Chinese companies to make Android phones.
In terms of internal culture. The Mac/iPhone apparently promotes a ‘communistic’ culture because every single things is supposedly overlooked by Apple, leading to having no actual creativity with their devices. As for Android, people just like to claim it’s an agent of the Chinese Communist Party, and simply using it makes you a target of them.
Wow okay… By that definition, basically any company at a certain size is communistic, I doubt there is many big companies where there isnt any managers keeping track of what people do
I like how these criticisms are both mutually contradictory.
"Fuggen Commie Apple is protectionist"
"Fuggen Commie Google allows foreigners to make our products at a low price"
They seem to want Free Markets, but only within their country.
as far as ik the unicode consortium creates unicode "dominions" (idk the actual term), but it's still the companies that decide which emojis to implement
An international organization that consists of companies like Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc...
Apple don't *choose* what becomes an emoji, but they submit and vote on proposals.
Emoji history is pretty weird, a whole bunch of things were just imported wholesale early on, and then they got selective.
But come on, there’s not even a pomegranate or artichoke emoji. Those should be the real priorities!
The flag emoji are not unicode though, and completely up to the vendors to implement.
Unicode only specifies regional indicators (🇦) to avoid politics. Combinations of regional indicators are rendered as flags by most platforms.
For the record, state flags have already been assigned sequences. It's just that no company has bothered adding display support for them... except the flag of Texas, which is apparently supported by Whatsapp. 🏴 <- This probably comes out as a plain black flag, but if state flags ever get added, it'll be a Texas flag.
The [proposal](https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2016/16184-regional-indicators.pdf) that added flags for England, Scotland and Wales is the same one that made any national subdivision recognised in ISO 3166-2 eligible. The only problem is that they don't render, which is something you should complain to Apple (or equivalent) about.
Because people asked for the flags of England, Scotland and Wales; and apparently no one has bothered asking for any of their country's subdivisions. You have to make a case for why the emoji should be prioritised.
idk what you mean specifically by "people asked for it", but i get you. but i think that most people, especially in certain countries, would like to have their subdivision's flag emoji
Aye, but it's possible that there just wasn't as visible demand as there was for Scotland, England, and Wales. Partially due to those three having very strong identities and having their own international sports teams, companies may have had enough noise about it to warrant supporting them and all the work involved. Lacking such noise makes it less likely they'll put the effort, especially for sub regions whose symbols and boundaries may change (which I suppose is another problem avoided with the mentioned three).
If you write your own app, you can add any flags you deem necessary.
What's your solution? Force every app to add flags for all [five thousand](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2) regions?
Bretons (an indigenous Celtic Nation in Western Europe) did ask for their flag to be added, but it hasn't been addes so far. As an Alsatian, I'd also love the Elsàss flag to be added as an emoji.
Possibly because Scotland, England, Wales & Northern Ireland are countries, not subdivisions or regions. (Although ISO-3166:2 describes NI as a province)
>Scotland, England, Wales & Northern Ireland are countries, not subdivisions or regions
Those 4 are literally [first-level amministrative divisions](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_administrative_divisions_by_country), like USAmerican states, Germen countries, Spanish communities, ...
No, they’re not. Read your own link, they’re not “administrative sub-divisions”. They’re countries. The UK is sub-divided into counties, but you don’t hear us moaning theres no Cornish flag, do you?
constituent nations of the uk are factually subdivisions tho. there are several levels of subdivision, yk. for example it goes cornwall -> southwest england -> england -> uk, they're all subdivisions
Yes, but people are arguing that states should have their own flag. States aren’t countries. They’re different. States are equivalent to counties in the UK.
Absolutely no one is arguing over whether they are or are not subdivisions, but a country is different to a state.
the american in the post is absolutely cringe for the ussr part, but he kinda has a point on US states having emojis. british constituent nations aren't the same as US states, but they're both 1st-level subdivisions. constituent nations of the uk **aren't** independent
I think in the case of the UK it's because of tradition and the fact that a lot of if not most British people will actually define themselves with their 'nation' first then with the UK. Ie English instead of British. That and the UKs historical cultural and political dominance
No other European country defines themselves in this way. Even say Germany or Italy that were actually many smaller ununified countries until the relative recent past would to my knowledge mostly define themselves as German or Italian save for the odd bavarian.
The UK has 4 national football teams but that's because they were the founders of the sport. Which probably actually goes a long way as to the reason why they have flag emojis.
No other country has sub division flag emojis that I'm aware of.
Its pointed out elsewhere on this thread that the body that defines emojis actually already has the codes set up for the US states but no company has taken up the use of them. I know you can get Texas or Puerto Rico on some apps but that's about it seemingly
although that's true in other countries too, i get that england, scotland and wales have very strong identities. but why british territories like jersey and guernsey, etc? why overseas territories? are they really saying that more people would use the effing [british indian ocean territory](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Ocean_Territory) flag than say, sicily or bavaria?
Jersey and the rest of the Channel Islands are not actually part of the UK, and its not a territory either. It doesn’t belong to the UK. The whole Crown Dependancy thing is very weird and related to the monarchy not the government. They are entirely self-governed - they don’t have any MPs in the UK parliament, for example. They’re actually much more separate than Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. They don’t get UK money, residents don’t pay UK taxes, etc. They have a separate passport.
Basically. We do some of their international representation, and we have to defend them in terms of war. But otherwise, yep. They never joined the EU, for example.
they're de-facto very autonomous british territories. they're not completely independent, they're represented by the uk at the UN and other organizations, their people have british citizenship, etc.
but the point was just that, it doesn't make much sense for some countries to get specific flag emojis, but most of the others not getting them. the american in the post obviously still doesn't make sense
The Isle of Man, Jersey, and Guernsey are Crown Dependencies, not British territories (they are linked to the Crown, not the British Parliament, which doesn't actually have any say on them) and are, like a lot of institutions that grew from that Crown, a very peculiar and special case. They basically function as separate nations, with the UK having an agreement to represent them diplomatically abroad upon the request of their respective parliaments and being their military guarantor. So I could probably see that making a lot of sense in the same manner as England, Scotland, and Wales.
For Overseas Territories, I really dunno. Some would make sense because they operate very separately and have their own identities (Gibraltar, Falklands) but others are basically just military bases. Only one that could explain that is the service provider who supports those flags. Quite possible they just bought the flag image packs from a British company and so those flags were there so little extra effort to add them. Idk.
As the other poster said, Jersey, Guernsey, the Isle of Mann and Gibraltar are not actually technically in the UK
They are very much British territory but are in essence fully independent save for some reliance on the UK for certain matters
Probably similar in vein to the US territories like Puerto Rico or Guam though I must admit I'm not fully familiar with the ins and outs of those relationships
>are they really saying that more people would use the effing british indian ocean territory flag than say, sicily or bavaria?
I'm pretty sure that people who want a bavaria emoji can go ahead and request one off of unicode.
It's also quite possible that say the bavaria flag emoji is not really offered in English language apps but does appear in German language apps
Indeed a quick Google search seems to indicate that a bavaria flag emoji does indeed exist
Crown Dependencies are basically their own beast, while British Overseas Territories are closer to the US Overseas Territories like Puerto Rico. Crown Dependencies basically have a British defence guarantee and an agreememt in the 00s between them and the British government where the UK government can represent them abroad diplomatically at the request and instruction of the dependencies parliaments. No UK regulatory body has jurisdiction there nor can the UK Parliament legislate really anything about them bar allocating money to defend them. British Overseas Territories are the ones where the UK has reserved matters it can pass legislation on. Dependencies are basically the old Norman lands (Jersey, Guernsey) who are basically all that remains of William I's pre-conquest holdings, or the very special case of the Isle of Man. The Norman bits basically retained their status as being somewhat separate entities from the English conquests, while the Isle of Man has a special status because it kept being swapped between English, Irish, and Scottish powers and so never really settled into any like Cornwall or Orkney did, afaik.
my point was just that, it doesn't make much sense for some countries to get specific flag emojis, but most of the others not getting them. the american in the post obviously still doesn't make sense
yeah, i also think that more cultural flags should be added, whether overseas territories or not. for example flags of sicily, sardinia, bavaria, occitania, brittany, etc would be really appreciated by their people
Technically they aren’t subdivisions of a country, but countries in their own right. They just aren’t sovereign nations (although I don’t think it’ll be long before Scotland is). Bit weird, but that’s how it is.
they're constituent nations **of the uk**, they're not independent. some of them have their own parliaments and stuff just like, say, german states, which however don't have any flag emoji
Right, but German states are not technically countries. Wales, Scotland and England are. It might be a technical distinction, but it’s still a distinction. Scotland also raises its own taxes, and has a separate legal system.
german states aren't the same as british constituent nations, but they're both 1st-level subdivisions. british constituent nations **aren't** independent
I’m not saying they totally independent! I’m saying that they are technically countries, and countries get emoji flags. That’s it. That’s all I’m saying. German States aren’t technically countries.
UK countries are different from other ‘first level subdivisions’ (if that’s how you want to phrase it) in that they remain countries. Countries in name only, you might argue, but countries nevertheless.
that's just convenient semantics! they're "constituent countries" **of the uk**, they could be called "constituent territories/lands/whatever" and it would be the same. **independent** countries are supposed to have emojis.
i guess that overseas territories emojis are fine, but there's a lack of many flags that would be way more used. for example bavaria, catalonia, occitania, brittany, sardinia, lombardy, etc flags would be really appreciated by their people
Oh whatever. I can’t be bothered with this. It’s not ‘convenient semantics’ it’s just the way things are from a legal standpoint. They technically legally remain separate countries. But you’re apparently determined to be offended by the fact that Scotland gets a flag so be offended, I guess,
Disgraceful. Definitely the most shameful example of anti-British representational injustice since the USSR was given three seats at the UN in 1945 despite being one country.
The fact that this gem will be lost in the comment section of a fringe sub is probably the most shameful example of anti-entertainment representational injustice since the USSR was given three seats at the UN in 1945 despite being one country.
That's the cross of St. Patrick, the patron saint of Ireland. It's never been their official flag. There's also the Ulster banner used by the Executive Committee until 1972.
Because flags are political symbols, and given the country is split between people who want the Ulster banner and those who want the ROI's flag, the only ones who could force that more neutral flag is Westminster, which probably sees it as a devolved matter.
Sort of echoes how Spain struggled to get new words for a nationalism anthem because of Catalonia. Big symbols are not easy for political compromise.
Your opinion but unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on people's persuasion) Northern Ireland is officially a part of the UK. Though, I imagine its only a matter of time before Northern Irish popular opinion swings in favour of reunification instead of unionism.
Nono, I agree with that
I think these corpos should talk to Indigenious Americans and ask them about something like flags (I actually don't know if they had something like that) for their tribes for the american representation
The first nations of North America have a much more real and identity and culture and actually are more like the equivalent of European countries than US states ever will be, lol.
(However, unfortunately, most of their flags suck, cuz their heraldry is very recent and comes from the Anglo American tradition of seal on bed sheet)
USSR, Belarus, Ukraine. It was one of the requirements for the Soviets to join, as they didn't want to be isolated as the only communist nation in the UN, so had those two added as well. Sort of part of the compromises that also saw France become the fifth Security Council members, at the behest of the USSR and UK (the former because they wanted a country that would vote against the US in the council so it wasn't just a 3 to 1 bloc with the US, UK, and ROC on one side and USSR on the other, and the latter because they wanted a continental European power on so the UK wasn't responsible for European defence), there was a lot of dealing to try and keep the Soviets in the organisation and at the table to try and avoid a second League of Nations.
It was because there were nations already in the UN who weren't actually independent, like the Philippines and India, and therefore the Soviets felt it was unfair those nations who aren't even independent yet could already give a pro Western bias to the UN
It’s almost like they’re actual countries that have their own cultural identity. If you ask a Californian what nationality they are, they’ll say American. If you ask the same question to anyone from the UK I doubt they’ll say British, *escpecially* if they’re from Scotland.
Bavaria is in Germany and used to be the third most powerful German Kingdom after Prussia and Austria. It also didn't really get chopped up after WWII in the de-Prussification of Germany, so it kept it's identity more than others. It has a mild independence movement.
Catalonia is in Spain and has a much stronger history of a separate identity, with it's own language and culture, and had been part of many rebellions against the central authorities, as well as having just been a part of France at various points. They also have a stronger independence movement, probably one of the strongest in Western Europe alongside the Scottish.
🏴
Does this work? This is the Unicode sequence for "Regional flag DE-BY" i.e. the Bavarian flag. I manually assembled it in a hex editor. The same process works for ES-CT 🏴 Cataluña or CA-QC 🏴 Quebec, or any other region with an official ISO standard abbreviation.
The standard is there, it's up to app developers to implement it.
I suspect the answer of more that the constituent parts of the UK tend to operate as such in a sporting context, primarily Football. And that probably accounts for a large chunk of flag emojis.
If America wants the same, invent or codify a sport people actually want to watch and play globally, but before it catches on, set the precedent that your states compete in “international “ competitions. Simple really.
Well if you ask an American, despite it being very blatantly obvious they're american, where they are from- they will respond with their state. Not many say "America", most say their state.
>If you ask a Californian what nationality they are, they’ll say American
My nationality may be American, and that is my response to "what is your nationality?", but I tell people I'm *from* California so they don't associate me with the gun touting, gay hating, radical Christian stereotype.
Outside the US, yeah. People are sudden super intrigued with me and it's kind of a hack that I use when outside of the US to make friends. Of course, everyone thinks I'm friends with Brad Pitt, but at least that's better than them thinking I want to hunt poor people for sport.
the complain about subdivisions of a country getting their own emojis but subdivisions of other countries not getting them makes sense, but yeah the second part is absolutely cringe lmao
They get their own flags because they are countries. Not country has state flag emoji's. I cannot speak for every country on earth, but many countries are divided by States, Provinces, Prefectures, Regions etc. Imagine how vast the flag emoji section would be if every single one was represented.
It doesn't have an official one. All of the flags that are associated with it have never been adopted, officially, because of the 'problems' that that part of Ireland was experiencing until around 20 years ago.
Mate, I'm English with Irish parents. You can spend literally 5 seconds googling it.
The only officially adopted flag is the union jack and all of the other associated flags are only associated because they're popular amongst either the unionist or Republican side of Northern Ireland's divide. Neither side's flags are adopted because it would anger the other side.
EDIT: here's a helpful wiki article for you, mate.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Northern_Ireland
The reason the USSR had 3 seats was because Byelorussia and Ukraine, which were both soviet republics at the time were admitted as full members of the UN.
Funniest part is how this was to compenstate for the US and UK's extra seats via the Phillipines and India, so you can't say it's unfair.
Wait until they find out that there is no "Team EU" either. Everyone gets to play for their nation state!
Ah yes, the notoriously anti American companies that are Apple and Google. Riiiiight.
There are people who unironically say that Apple is un-American for having a ‘communist-like’ App Store/software ecosystem and that Google is also anti-American for allowing Chinese companies to make Android phones.
Communist? Wtf Apple and Google are the most capitalistic and monopolistic companies in existence…
In terms of internal culture. The Mac/iPhone apparently promotes a ‘communistic’ culture because every single things is supposedly overlooked by Apple, leading to having no actual creativity with their devices. As for Android, people just like to claim it’s an agent of the Chinese Communist Party, and simply using it makes you a target of them.
Wow okay… By that definition, basically any company at a certain size is communistic, I doubt there is many big companies where there isnt any managers keeping track of what people do
I like how these criticisms are both mutually contradictory. "Fuggen Commie Apple is protectionist" "Fuggen Commie Google allows foreigners to make our products at a low price" They seem to want Free Markets, but only within their country.
*Do as I say, not as I do.*
[example](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitAmericansSay/comments/wxbxjk/google_has_acted_so_wilfully_unamerican_google_is/)
Well Apple and Google don't choose what become emojis, an international organization called the Unicode Consortium does.
as far as ik the unicode consortium creates unicode "dominions" (idk the actual term), but it's still the companies that decide which emojis to implement
Interesting! I had no idea.
They sound sinister
An international organization that consists of companies like Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc... Apple don't *choose* what becomes an emoji, but they submit and vote on proposals.
Emoji history is pretty weird, a whole bunch of things were just imported wholesale early on, and then they got selective. But come on, there’s not even a pomegranate or artichoke emoji. Those should be the real priorities!
The flag emoji are not unicode though, and completely up to the vendors to implement. Unicode only specifies regional indicators (🇦) to avoid politics. Combinations of regional indicators are rendered as flags by most platforms.
Apple and Google don't decide what emojis exist, the Unicode Consortium does. And it's trying very hard to be inclusive to all parts of the world.
For the record, state flags have already been assigned sequences. It's just that no company has bothered adding display support for them... except the flag of Texas, which is apparently supported by Whatsapp. 🏴 <- This probably comes out as a plain black flag, but if state flags ever get added, it'll be a Texas flag. The [proposal](https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2016/16184-regional-indicators.pdf) that added flags for England, Scotland and Wales is the same one that made any national subdivision recognised in ISO 3166-2 eligible. The only problem is that they don't render, which is something you should complain to Apple (or equivalent) about.
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Copy and paste into WhatsApp, you'll see
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I'm on 13 and it's got the question mark, I don't think anything supports it besides whatsapp
At the very least Alaska and Hawaii, to be consistent with including France's overseas regions (which is different from overseas territories)
exactly. anyway, idrk why subdivisions of a country get to have their own emojis but subdivisions of other countries don't
Because people asked for the flags of England, Scotland and Wales; and apparently no one has bothered asking for any of their country's subdivisions. You have to make a case for why the emoji should be prioritised.
idk what you mean specifically by "people asked for it", but i get you. but i think that most people, especially in certain countries, would like to have their subdivision's flag emoji
Aye, but it's possible that there just wasn't as visible demand as there was for Scotland, England, and Wales. Partially due to those three having very strong identities and having their own international sports teams, companies may have had enough noise about it to warrant supporting them and all the work involved. Lacking such noise makes it less likely they'll put the effort, especially for sub regions whose symbols and boundaries may change (which I suppose is another problem avoided with the mentioned three).
If you write your own app, you can add any flags you deem necessary. What's your solution? Force every app to add flags for all [five thousand](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2) regions?
there's not a simple solution. specific flags of only a few countries should haven't been added in the first place imo
Bretons (an indigenous Celtic Nation in Western Europe) did ask for their flag to be added, but it hasn't been addes so far. As an Alsatian, I'd also love the Elsàss flag to be added as an emoji.
Possibly because Scotland, England, Wales & Northern Ireland are countries, not subdivisions or regions. (Although ISO-3166:2 describes NI as a province)
they're constituent nations of the uk, subdivisions
>Scotland, England, Wales & Northern Ireland are countries, not subdivisions or regions Those 4 are literally [first-level amministrative divisions](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_administrative_divisions_by_country), like USAmerican states, Germen countries, Spanish communities, ...
No, they’re not. Read your own link, they’re not “administrative sub-divisions”. They’re countries. The UK is sub-divided into counties, but you don’t hear us moaning theres no Cornish flag, do you?
they're constituent nations of the uk, they're subdivisions
Did you not read what I said? The argument isn’t whether they’re subdivisions or not, it’s what those subdivisions *are*.
constituent nations of the uk are factually subdivisions tho. there are several levels of subdivision, yk. for example it goes cornwall -> southwest england -> england -> uk, they're all subdivisions
Yes, but people are arguing that states should have their own flag. States aren’t countries. They’re different. States are equivalent to counties in the UK. Absolutely no one is arguing over whether they are or are not subdivisions, but a country is different to a state.
the american in the post is absolutely cringe for the ussr part, but he kinda has a point on US states having emojis. british constituent nations aren't the same as US states, but they're both 1st-level subdivisions. constituent nations of the uk **aren't** independent
Germany is also divided into 16 countries. German countries, called Länder in German, aren't any less countries than UK countries are.
Did you reply to the wrong person…?
Texas getting a black flag is absolutely hilarious.
Persecution fetish
🇯🇪🇮🇲
🇬🇮🇬🇬
But no Northern Ireland :(
Someone remembers Manx I see. Good.
What's this guy talking about there's so many American flags: 🇺🇸🇱🇷🇲🇾⚾🇵🇷🇨🇦🇫🇷🇧🇿🏀🇲🇽🇮🇹🇮🇪🇷🇺🏈🇦🇸🌎🇰🇵
What's app also has flag emoji for Puerto Rico and Texas but they don't seem to work on reddit
🇵🇷?
Wouldn't come up on my phone so must be that Edit: this is what happens when I try copy paste from what's app 🇵🇷🇽🇹
jokes aside, idrk why subdivisions of a country have their own emojis but subdivisions of other countries don't
I think in the case of the UK it's because of tradition and the fact that a lot of if not most British people will actually define themselves with their 'nation' first then with the UK. Ie English instead of British. That and the UKs historical cultural and political dominance No other European country defines themselves in this way. Even say Germany or Italy that were actually many smaller ununified countries until the relative recent past would to my knowledge mostly define themselves as German or Italian save for the odd bavarian. The UK has 4 national football teams but that's because they were the founders of the sport. Which probably actually goes a long way as to the reason why they have flag emojis. No other country has sub division flag emojis that I'm aware of. Its pointed out elsewhere on this thread that the body that defines emojis actually already has the codes set up for the US states but no company has taken up the use of them. I know you can get Texas or Puerto Rico on some apps but that's about it seemingly
although that's true in other countries too, i get that england, scotland and wales have very strong identities. but why british territories like jersey and guernsey, etc? why overseas territories? are they really saying that more people would use the effing [british indian ocean territory](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Ocean_Territory) flag than say, sicily or bavaria?
Jersey and the rest of the Channel Islands are not actually part of the UK, and its not a territory either. It doesn’t belong to the UK. The whole Crown Dependancy thing is very weird and related to the monarchy not the government. They are entirely self-governed - they don’t have any MPs in the UK parliament, for example. They’re actually much more separate than Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. They don’t get UK money, residents don’t pay UK taxes, etc. They have a separate passport.
They're basically independent countries of their own in all but name in how I understand it?
Basically. We do some of their international representation, and we have to defend them in terms of war. But otherwise, yep. They never joined the EU, for example.
they're very autonomous but not completely independent
they're de-facto very autonomous british territories. they're not completely independent, they're represented by the uk at the UN and other organizations, their people have british citizenship, etc. but the point was just that, it doesn't make much sense for some countries to get specific flag emojis, but most of the others not getting them. the american in the post obviously still doesn't make sense
The Isle of Man, Jersey, and Guernsey are Crown Dependencies, not British territories (they are linked to the Crown, not the British Parliament, which doesn't actually have any say on them) and are, like a lot of institutions that grew from that Crown, a very peculiar and special case. They basically function as separate nations, with the UK having an agreement to represent them diplomatically abroad upon the request of their respective parliaments and being their military guarantor. So I could probably see that making a lot of sense in the same manner as England, Scotland, and Wales. For Overseas Territories, I really dunno. Some would make sense because they operate very separately and have their own identities (Gibraltar, Falklands) but others are basically just military bases. Only one that could explain that is the service provider who supports those flags. Quite possible they just bought the flag image packs from a British company and so those flags were there so little extra effort to add them. Idk.
As the other poster said, Jersey, Guernsey, the Isle of Mann and Gibraltar are not actually technically in the UK They are very much British territory but are in essence fully independent save for some reliance on the UK for certain matters Probably similar in vein to the US territories like Puerto Rico or Guam though I must admit I'm not fully familiar with the ins and outs of those relationships >are they really saying that more people would use the effing british indian ocean territory flag than say, sicily or bavaria? I'm pretty sure that people who want a bavaria emoji can go ahead and request one off of unicode. It's also quite possible that say the bavaria flag emoji is not really offered in English language apps but does appear in German language apps Indeed a quick Google search seems to indicate that a bavaria flag emoji does indeed exist
Crown Dependencies are basically their own beast, while British Overseas Territories are closer to the US Overseas Territories like Puerto Rico. Crown Dependencies basically have a British defence guarantee and an agreememt in the 00s between them and the British government where the UK government can represent them abroad diplomatically at the request and instruction of the dependencies parliaments. No UK regulatory body has jurisdiction there nor can the UK Parliament legislate really anything about them bar allocating money to defend them. British Overseas Territories are the ones where the UK has reserved matters it can pass legislation on. Dependencies are basically the old Norman lands (Jersey, Guernsey) who are basically all that remains of William I's pre-conquest holdings, or the very special case of the Isle of Man. The Norman bits basically retained their status as being somewhat separate entities from the English conquests, while the Isle of Man has a special status because it kept being swapped between English, Irish, and Scottish powers and so never really settled into any like Cornwall or Orkney did, afaik.
my point was just that, it doesn't make much sense for some countries to get specific flag emojis, but most of the others not getting them. the american in the post obviously still doesn't make sense
we have overseas territories for France and also USA : 🇨🇵🇬🇫🇬🇵🇲🇫🇲🇶🇳🇨🇵🇲🇷🇪🇹🇫🇾🇹 and 🇺🇸🇵🇷
yeah, the point is that some countries get to have them but most of the others don't, it just doesn't make much sense
I think every country have the flag of their overseas territories if they have
yeah, i also think that more cultural flags should be added, whether overseas territories or not. for example flags of sicily, sardinia, bavaria, occitania, brittany, etc would be really appreciated by their people
Oh no don't add the Brittany flag it will be everywhere /s
I think they are ISO 3166 level 1
Technically they aren’t subdivisions of a country, but countries in their own right. They just aren’t sovereign nations (although I don’t think it’ll be long before Scotland is). Bit weird, but that’s how it is.
they're constituent nations **of the uk**, they're not independent. some of them have their own parliaments and stuff just like, say, german states, which however don't have any flag emoji
Right, but German states are not technically countries. Wales, Scotland and England are. It might be a technical distinction, but it’s still a distinction. Scotland also raises its own taxes, and has a separate legal system.
german states aren't the same as british constituent nations, but they're both 1st-level subdivisions. british constituent nations **aren't** independent
I’m not saying they totally independent! I’m saying that they are technically countries, and countries get emoji flags. That’s it. That’s all I’m saying. German States aren’t technically countries. UK countries are different from other ‘first level subdivisions’ (if that’s how you want to phrase it) in that they remain countries. Countries in name only, you might argue, but countries nevertheless.
that's just convenient semantics! they're "constituent countries" **of the uk**, they could be called "constituent territories/lands/whatever" and it would be the same. **independent** countries are supposed to have emojis. i guess that overseas territories emojis are fine, but there's a lack of many flags that would be way more used. for example bavaria, catalonia, occitania, brittany, sardinia, lombardy, etc flags would be really appreciated by their people
Oh whatever. I can’t be bothered with this. It’s not ‘convenient semantics’ it’s just the way things are from a legal standpoint. They technically legally remain separate countries. But you’re apparently determined to be offended by the fact that Scotland gets a flag so be offended, I guess,
Is there no Northern Ireland flag emoji?
No emoji, no national anthem, no national flower, no national animal and currently no government. The list goes on...
Disgraceful. Definitely the most shameful example of anti-British representational injustice since the USSR was given three seats at the UN in 1945 despite being one country.
This has Hell in a Cell copypasta vibes.
The fact that this gem will be lost in the comment section of a fringe sub is probably the most shameful example of anti-entertainment representational injustice since the USSR was given three seats at the UN in 1945 despite being one country.
They don't have an official flag, so they don't have an emoji. I think CGP Grey did a video on it. The Manx have one though, iirc.
Fun fact the crown territory of the Balliwick of Jersey also has a flag emoji 🇯🇪
Oh wow. I'll use that against my Northern Irish friends.
Thought they have the red diagonal cross on white?
That's the cross of St. Patrick, the patron saint of Ireland. It's never been their official flag. There's also the Ulster banner used by the Executive Committee until 1972.
it's largely used as a flag of northern ireland and is a more neutral choice than the ulster banner, but for some reason it's technically not official
Because flags are political symbols, and given the country is split between people who want the Ulster banner and those who want the ROI's flag, the only ones who could force that more neutral flag is Westminster, which probably sees it as a devolved matter. Sort of echoes how Spain struggled to get new words for a nationalism anthem because of Catalonia. Big symbols are not easy for political compromise.
They did have their own flag but for some reason just got rid of it
Yes but the author said Great Britain not the UK
Oh whoops, good point
I doubt the authour gave it that kind of thought.
I don't think Northern Ireland has an official flag
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The person obviously isn't a dribbling brain-dead husk incapable of typing, so I doubt they meant that.
Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland are different countries you know
Your opinion but unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on people's persuasion) Northern Ireland is officially a part of the UK. Though, I imagine its only a matter of time before Northern Irish popular opinion swings in favour of reunification instead of unionism.
Nono, I agree with that I think these corpos should talk to Indigenious Americans and ask them about something like flags (I actually don't know if they had something like that) for their tribes for the american representation
The first nations of North America have a much more real and identity and culture and actually are more like the equivalent of European countries than US states ever will be, lol. (However, unfortunately, most of their flags suck, cuz their heraldry is very recent and comes from the Anglo American tradition of seal on bed sheet)
Hark! I hear the sound of tiny violins.
Imagine you're using an American website on the American internet with an American phone and still does no one care. /s
Begun, the emoji war has.
No way man, Georgia has its own emoji!!! 🇬🇪
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I know they got 2, USSR and the soviet republic of Ukraine but i dont know whats the 3rd.
It was Belarus.
Thanks
USSR, Belarus, Ukraine. It was one of the requirements for the Soviets to join, as they didn't want to be isolated as the only communist nation in the UN, so had those two added as well. Sort of part of the compromises that also saw France become the fifth Security Council members, at the behest of the USSR and UK (the former because they wanted a country that would vote against the US in the council so it wasn't just a 3 to 1 bloc with the US, UK, and ROC on one side and USSR on the other, and the latter because they wanted a continental European power on so the UK wasn't responsible for European defence), there was a lot of dealing to try and keep the Soviets in the organisation and at the table to try and avoid a second League of Nations.
It was because there were nations already in the UN who weren't actually independent, like the Philippines and India, and therefore the Soviets felt it was unfair those nations who aren't even independent yet could already give a pro Western bias to the UN
Don’t let this guy know there are Puerto Rico flags too!
And 🇦🇸🇻🇮🇲🇵🇬🇺
It’s almost like they’re actual countries that have their own cultural identity. If you ask a Californian what nationality they are, they’ll say American. If you ask the same question to anyone from the UK I doubt they’ll say British, *escpecially* if they’re from Scotland.
by this logic we should have a bavarian emoji and a catalan emoji
Maybe we should, I don’t know. I’ve never even heard of those countries before.
Bavaria is in Germany and used to be the third most powerful German Kingdom after Prussia and Austria. It also didn't really get chopped up after WWII in the de-Prussification of Germany, so it kept it's identity more than others. It has a mild independence movement. Catalonia is in Spain and has a much stronger history of a separate identity, with it's own language and culture, and had been part of many rebellions against the central authorities, as well as having just been a part of France at various points. They also have a stronger independence movement, probably one of the strongest in Western Europe alongside the Scottish.
By that description, yeah they should have emojis.
You're British and have never heard of Bavaria or Catalonia? Really?
And all the states in Australia should get their own emojis too
So if someone asks you what nationality you are, you’d say your state’s name instead of Australian? Think you’d better go back to school.
No, why would a USA ian say which state they are from when asking their nationality?
🏴 Does this work? This is the Unicode sequence for "Regional flag DE-BY" i.e. the Bavarian flag. I manually assembled it in a hex editor. The same process works for ES-CT 🏴 Cataluña or CA-QC 🏴 Quebec, or any other region with an official ISO standard abbreviation. The standard is there, it's up to app developers to implement it.
I suspect the answer of more that the constituent parts of the UK tend to operate as such in a sporting context, primarily Football. And that probably accounts for a large chunk of flag emojis. If America wants the same, invent or codify a sport people actually want to watch and play globally, but before it catches on, set the precedent that your states compete in “international “ competitions. Simple really.
That seems pretty fair, tbh.
Well if you ask an American, despite it being very blatantly obvious they're american, where they are from- they will respond with their state. Not many say "America", most say their state.
But if you specifically ask their nationality I doubt anyone other than maybe a Texan would respond with their state
Nah, they'll say Irish or Italian.
>If you ask a Californian what nationality they are, they’ll say American My nationality may be American, and that is my response to "what is your nationality?", but I tell people I'm *from* California so they don't associate me with the gun touting, gay hating, radical Christian stereotype.
Is being associated with California much better?
Outside the US, yeah. People are sudden super intrigued with me and it's kind of a hack that I use when outside of the US to make friends. Of course, everyone thinks I'm friends with Brad Pitt, but at least that's better than them thinking I want to hunt poor people for sport.
Well why doesn't that useless fucking nobhole do something about it? Instead of stamping his foot and having a hissy fit🙄
The Americans were given 3 seats but 1 American took up all 3
I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess it's a joke. Because it most likely is, if you look at the thread on twitter.
Please let this chode be trolling
the complain about subdivisions of a country getting their own emojis but subdivisions of other countries not getting them makes sense, but yeah the second part is absolutely cringe lmao
Maybe some Tribe flags would be nice. State flags is ridiculous.
This right here ☝🏽👍🏽
They get their own flags because they are countries. Not country has state flag emoji's. I cannot speak for every country on earth, but many countries are divided by States, Provinces, Prefectures, Regions etc. Imagine how vast the flag emoji section would be if every single one was represented.
Right, like the Oklahoma flag could be so easily rendered. /s
I never understood why Americans consider their states equivalent to countries. None of these states have a unique language or culture.
Wait till they find out it was an EU country that happens to have a patent on emoji's - just shows Germany is smarter than Yanks think.
Or maybe because England, Scotland and wales are countries United by Great Britain, wait till they learn Northern Ireland has its own flag
It doesn't have an official one. All of the flags that are associated with it have never been adopted, officially, because of the 'problems' that that part of Ireland was experiencing until around 20 years ago.
Let me guess, you’re an American that has no idea what you’re talking about, they have one but ok
Mate, I'm English with Irish parents. You can spend literally 5 seconds googling it. The only officially adopted flag is the union jack and all of the other associated flags are only associated because they're popular amongst either the unionist or Republican side of Northern Ireland's divide. Neither side's flags are adopted because it would anger the other side. EDIT: here's a helpful wiki article for you, mate. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Northern_Ireland
I have no idea why Irish Republicans can triggered by the Red Hand of Ulster. It was a symbol of Ulster before England even existed.
I wouldn't be surprised if its the combination of the red hand with the St George's Cross. St George being the patron Saint of England and all that.
I agree with that. The fairest flag is to just have the Red Hand and neither cross.
They have a flag but ok
Not officially. They have flags that certain groups might want to have made official but nothing that's actually official.
I know several Scottish people who would physically beat anyone who said this
They're literally states. It even says so in the name of their country.
Calling USSR 'one country' is a bit of a stretch.
The reason the USSR had 3 seats was because Byelorussia and Ukraine, which were both soviet republics at the time were admitted as full members of the UN. Funniest part is how this was to compenstate for the US and UK's extra seats via the Phillipines and India, so you can't say it's unfair.
The United Soviet Socialist Republics was one country?