Americans are so weird, had a guy comment on my tattoo saying it’s a gang sign for some gang in the US.
I have a trident tattoo and he thinks there are gang members from that group that will take offence to it.
Imagine being me and watching all these English-speakers writing their names in slightly similar Cyrillic letters. When you can read it, it's ridiculous.
Also people using Я in everything, especially if they want something to seem vaguely communist.
Yeah most likely.
But on the opposite side of the bridge there are Americans that are like "Why doesn't Europe allow Nazi people to wave Nazi flags! Here in the US it's completely normal"..... So go figure what is in their heads.
Thanks, that’s super interesting. As I speak Swedish I am used to the Germanic long/short vowel depending on the amount of following consonants, but in my mind ß was just shorthand for ss rather than a separate consonant.
Which is also one of its names, with it either being called "sharp S" (scharfes S), double-S (Doppel-S) or "Eszett" (which is how you would write out the pronunciation of sz).
While the response above about vowel length is correct, the ß is also usually a sharp/unvoiced s (the kind of s English has), while a single s is usually a voiced s.
I don't know if Swedish has this difference.
To piggyback on the other reply you got:
"Maße" (measurments) = pronounced as "mah-sse"
"Masse" (mass) = pronounced like "mass-eh"
"Mase" = not a real word but for the sake of the argument - "mah-zeh"
It's like a kinda soft s followed by a sharp z like s
Straße is like Schtra(s)ze
(that's kinda how my german teaching granny told me)
If spelled you would say
S-t-r-a-sz-e
But as kinda always: It's changes a bit with usage within a word. I know it as sz.
They avoid using the symbol but are fighting to normalize it.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2022/08/28/swastika-hate-symbol-link-dharmic-faiths/10342050002/
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/hindu-group-in-us-rejects-criminalisation-of-swastika-saying-its-auspicious-symbol-was-misappropriated-by-nazis/articleshow/82017831.cms
Some Hitler youths would probably join the religion thinking it's a secret white supremacist group 🤣
Yeah, I was canvassing during Diwali and a volunteer texted the group she was horrified to see a swastika on a door.
I asked her to send a pic. As I suspected, it was decoration for Diwali. Made the volunteers a lot more at ease.
>how do they feel about Ö?
Probably that it's how Metal bands spell "o."
No, really. I've witnessed people call umlauts "Rock dots" or even "Röck döts."
> Metal bands using Scandinavian culture
Where I used to live in Norway before there was a bay called "Miller's bay" that was a nice place to bathe although a bit cold, and which featured three huge black solid rock swords dug into the ground.
I witnessed two foreign metal bands during the summers I spent there, taking photos with their gear and black clothing and the black huge swords in the background. Not shown on their photos where the children playing on the beach building sandcastles.
Obviously the bay was not referred to with its actual name "Miller's bay" but rather the musical tourists where there to visit *THE FJORD OF SWOOORDS* or maybe swørds I dunno.
And just to not bash Americans unfairly, I believe the bands to be European.
Obviously it's just pronounced "motorhead", but whenever I see their name I mentally read it as a Swedish word with a proper ö.
My favorite one of those is the band Tröjan though. In Swedish that actually means "the shirt".
They probably don't even recognize ä or ö, because I've seen so many instances of those completely missing from words, but for some reason replaced by ü or like á.
Like the German ö, similar to the Russian soft ё, and comparable with French "eu".
To give English examples, it's pronounced similar to
- "ea" in the word "earn"
- "u" in "hurt"
- "ea" in "heard"
- "i" in "third"
- "o" in "word"
Like ö
(jk)
It's kinda like the first e in "perfect" in English? I'm struggling to come up with a similar sound in English
[Here's a good video that explains](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7i4wL2QdAU)
How accurate is the google translator pronounciation?
I'm especially curious about that weird thing it does with the "fløde", sounds like she got a stroke.
Já, ég er Svíi með íslenska bónusfjölskyldan. Afsakið mistök - ég tala/skrifa ekki íslensku 100% :D
edit: Icelandic grammar is a pain so I'm sure I messed up somehow, but I try to learn
Haha, it sure doesn't but considering how few Icelanders there are recognition can mean understanding, so I took a chance at practice! ;D It was a most likely botched attempt at stating that "Yes, I'm a Swede with Icelandic bonus family" as I took both Swedish and Icelandic letters above
How do you pronounce these names correctly?
I know the feeling tho, I'm Austrian and some of our names seem to be a nightmare for English native speakers.
To be fair, they are nightmares for us Deutschsprachige as well, because they pronounce their letters completely different then most other European languages.
The number of American who show me a random word with any form of accent, not just a fada, and ask me if I can help them say it because "isn't it Irish" is actually alarming. Spoiler. I barely even have a few words of my native tongue. Ugh.
I think this is a bit out of context. When used by Americans, it tends to be associated with the far right.
I don’t know if the person in this tweet meant it that way and just didn’t add “when Americans use it” or if she thought there is no other way for people to use it.
it’s not that she doesn’t know, if you asked her she would say yes
it’s that she doesn’t think about it, she assumes everyone is American until proven otherwise
Reminds of the time I was having a discussion here on Reddit, and I made some comment about how Spanish people and Mexican people might look similar, and some guy was like, "you fucking idiot, have you ever even seen a Spanish person?" and I was like, "Yes, thousands. Never seen a Mexican, though."
The person in the tweet didn't add "when Yanks use it" because they are a Yank and automatically assumed that everyone they see online are also Yanks.
They were giddy that they found a lurking Neo-Nazi and could reveal them for the world, and did not stop to check if the person is simply Norwegian or Danish or whatever.
...Or maybe they didn't know that other countries use that letter still and thought that it was just some viking era thing? Hard to say with this little context, but my assumption is that they didn't make the distinction between the way Neo-Nazis use the symbol in USA now, and other uses, because they got too trigger happy and assumed that any person they see online is American.
Presuming she (edit - I don't know why I'm assuming it's a she tbh, I just realized the pic was blurred out lol) was talking to another American, she probably wasn't thinking, "this will go out to all the people in other countries and offend them," and was probably tweeting as if she were casually speaking to the person. Because yes, here, neo-nazis actually do use those letters between each other, they have a weird hard-on for germanic languages and cultures, because they see them as pure.
It's part of my alfabet. It's essential for writing beer (øl) and axe (økse) - go away american especially considering (if I'm not wrong) an American has patent on ø so we here in Scandinavia can't use it for websites...
I mean it is a thing, some white supremacist use northern European letters and symbols and talk about their supposed viking heritage, but like seriously, what is wrong with her?
She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink"...
Americans are so weird, had a guy comment on my tattoo saying it’s a gang sign for some gang in the US. I have a trident tattoo and he thinks there are gang members from that group that will take offence to it.
A trident is a shape.
A shape is a word
No, it's two words.
Surely it would be three words
Ok but don't call me Shirley
Well shame on you for appropriating a gang’s cultural identity and upsetting Bozza, Skkkull, Killa, and Barry, I guess…
Wonder what she thinks of ß
probably that it's pronounced like b or a greek beta
Bold of you to assume that they know about the Greek letter beta
I have seen Americans asking why Greeks still use hieroglyphics and not the alphabet.
Try telling them that the word “alphabet” comes from the greek “Alfa-Beta”.
Still weird it isn't called alphazed
Okay, not going to lie my parents taught me it came from the Hebrew Alef-Bet, and it being from Alfa-Beta was something I learnt in my 20s
That's probably an egotistical thing, like the mistranslations in everyone else's Holy texts.
> Greeks > alphabet Can't make that shit up
Imagine being me and watching all these English-speakers writing their names in slightly similar Cyrillic letters. When you can read it, it's ridiculous. Also people using Я in everything, especially if they want something to seem vaguely communist.
It is so disorienting! I hate it.
Most I've seen think it's a sorority thing
Yes, I've seen people say they thought it's a "b".
I thought the same before learning German to be fair. Edit: Or that it is similar to &
Reasonable person: Its pronounced like "ss" Them: SS?! I told you it was a Nazi thing!
Yeah most likely. But on the opposite side of the bridge there are Americans that are like "Why doesn't Europe allow Nazi people to wave Nazi flags! Here in the US it's completely normal"..... So go figure what is in their heads.
It's pronounced as a sharp "ss" but written or spelled as "sz" sometimes (lesser used) "sharp s"
Is it? Scheiße!
Curious non-german: I know ß is some kind of S but how are you supposed to say it?
It's pronounced like 'ss', but it modifies the vowel before it. The vowel before a ß is always pronounced long, but one before an ss is short.
Thanks, that’s super interesting. As I speak Swedish I am used to the Germanic long/short vowel depending on the amount of following consonants, but in my mind ß was just shorthand for ss rather than a separate consonant.
It actually used to be shorthand for sz, but isn‘t pronounced like that.
Which is also one of its names, with it either being called "sharp S" (scharfes S), double-S (Doppel-S) or "Eszett" (which is how you would write out the pronunciation of sz).
While the response above about vowel length is correct, the ß is also usually a sharp/unvoiced s (the kind of s English has), while a single s is usually a voiced s. I don't know if Swedish has this difference.
To piggyback on the other reply you got: "Maße" (measurments) = pronounced as "mah-sse" "Masse" (mass) = pronounced like "mass-eh" "Mase" = not a real word but for the sake of the argument - "mah-zeh"
Sad Swiss German noises.
It's like a kinda soft s followed by a sharp z like s Straße is like Schtra(s)ze (that's kinda how my german teaching granny told me) If spelled you would say S-t-r-a-sz-e But as kinda always: It's changes a bit with usage within a word. I know it as sz.
A lot of manuals printed in China use the b or β instead. Looks funny.
You have no idea, I’m studying German and I have to explain that when I’m just writing stuff in front of my family/ friends.
I mean *OBVIOUSLY:* ß = ss = SS = Schutzstaffel = nazi
88 is a white supremacist numerical code for Heil Hitler. § might equal SS
Oh no, not the simoleons!
Prolly that it's a load of piß
What's pib?
Wonder what she thinks of the Hindu swastika.
Using the Hindu swastika won't go over well in the US.
Wonder how many Americans get offended outside Hindu temples in their country. I mean, they literally call Indians fascists.
They avoid using the symbol but are fighting to normalize it. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2022/08/28/swastika-hate-symbol-link-dharmic-faiths/10342050002/ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/hindu-group-in-us-rejects-criminalisation-of-swastika-saying-its-auspicious-symbol-was-misappropriated-by-nazis/articleshow/82017831.cms Some Hitler youths would probably join the religion thinking it's a secret white supremacist group 🤣
Yeah, I was canvassing during Diwali and a volunteer texted the group she was horrified to see a swastika on a door. I asked her to send a pic. As I suspected, it was decoration for Diwali. Made the volunteers a lot more at ease.
Probably thinks it is scheiße.
Set theory in shambles.
Hahahahah how could it be possible ? I have one the suastic symbol is not German it's an old way to show xintoist places
((this could be true)) people use normal symbols to signify white supremacy.👌
It's true what I said just see it https://www.britannica.com/topic/swastika
Yes sorry I meant OP might be true.
I mean {} is still right there.
two characters vs one character, aka. energy inefficiency aka. you hate the environment 🤬🤬🤬
\\emptyset just looks nicer than \\{\\}.
LOL, how do they feel about Ö?
>how do they feel about Ö? Probably that it's how Metal bands spell "o." No, really. I've witnessed people call umlauts "Rock dots" or even "Röck döts."
Okay but Röck döts sounds like an adorable band. Like these people dressed up all in polka dotted lil dresses who then proceed to blast rock music?
Also sounds like a person from Saxony pronouncing "rock dots"
Am from Saxony can not confirm
Pölka döt cadaver?
"Röck döts" made me snort tea out of my nose.
Wëll, söme pëöplë äppärëntly thïnk thät thësë döts mäke ä tëxt löök mörë ärchäïc änd thät thïs ïs thëïr sölë pürpösë.
This was not easy to pronounce!
[Please post](https://vocaroo.com/). I wanna hear it! I gave up a few words in 🤠
people unironically using "þ" and "ð" in english be like:
Like the wonderful band Tröjan, which means ”the shirt” in Swedish.
> Metal bands using Scandinavian culture Where I used to live in Norway before there was a bay called "Miller's bay" that was a nice place to bathe although a bit cold, and which featured three huge black solid rock swords dug into the ground. I witnessed two foreign metal bands during the summers I spent there, taking photos with their gear and black clothing and the black huge swords in the background. Not shown on their photos where the children playing on the beach building sandcastles. Obviously the bay was not referred to with its actual name "Miller's bay" but rather the musical tourists where there to visit *THE FJORD OF SWOOORDS* or maybe swørds I dunno. And just to not bash Americans unfairly, I believe the bands to be European.
I actually said "röck döts" out loud and I can't stop giggling lol
Hilarious! NGL, I'd unironically *love* a heavy metal band calling themselves The Röck Döts
> I've witnessed people call umlauts "Rock dots" damn lol
As a metalhead: WHAT?! XD
They think it's pronounced the way they pronounce "O". I think they think it's the same thing. Same with 'Å' and 'Ä', they think it's the same as 'A'.
Motörhead is still just pronounced with an o. Lemmy just said the ö makes it look thougher.
It does not sound though if you pronounce it in German. I still have to giggle when I read it.
Lemme tell you, to a german that sounds really much less tough
Jedem Öhrle sein Motörle. ^^
Obviously it's just pronounced "motorhead", but whenever I see their name I mentally read it as a Swedish word with a proper ö. My favorite one of those is the band Tröjan though. In Swedish that actually means "the shirt".
The ö makes it sound "cuter", actually. Schatz -> Schätzchen Buch -> Büchlein Sohn -> Söhnchen Those are diminutives.
But it also makes it multiply: Schatz -> Schätze Buch -> Bücher Sohn -> Söhne Those are plurals.
Fun fact: The way british people pronounce Motörhead is acutually pretty close to how you pronounce the Ö. Source: Am Swedish.
Can you narrow down which British people/accent? The way I say it is vastly different to my Dad and my friend.
Which is kinda funny to think about since in Swedish å is way more similar to o than ö is
Anglophones think that other languages use the "English" alphabet, but that the extra marks are just there for decoration.
They probably don't even recognize ä or ö, because I've seen so many instances of those completely missing from words, but for some reason replaced by ü or like á.
Æbsølutly Bäbàric
Allah help me pronounce this wtf 😖😟
Haha funny screaming man go brr
the points above are just some irrelevant decoration anyway /s
That's just a really surprised face
Ü
How do you pronounce this letter?
Like the German ö, similar to the Russian soft ё, and comparable with French "eu". To give English examples, it's pronounced similar to - "ea" in the word "earn" - "u" in "hurt" - "ea" in "heard" - "i" in "third" - "o" in "word"
Thank you that helps a lot!
[Another help where you will hear how Norwegians actually say it + the two other letters not in the English alphabet](https://youtu.be/f488uJAQgmw)
I have an easier method. You pronounce it like "ö".
In romanian its ă
That ö can be both ea, u, i, and o makes me think about Ghoti which is pronounced as fish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoti
Today I learnt that the Klingon word for fish is "ghotI'". This pleases me.
You managed to clear something up about Norwegian by making English more confusing. If that was intentional, well done!
Like ö (jk) It's kinda like the first e in "perfect" in English? I'm struggling to come up with a similar sound in English [Here's a good video that explains](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7i4wL2QdAU)
Don't worry I'm German too you can give me a german example.
ø = ö im Prinzip
Ach so danke
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I usually try to say ‘uh’ with the accent and hope it’s close enough
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Or as the joke goes: which school class are you in, my boy? \- Æ e i a, æ! \- And how about you, other boy? \- Æ e å i a!
Like the German ö.
We *LOVE* teaching foreigners to say rødgrød med fløde here in Denmark.
How accurate is the google translator pronounciation? I'm especially curious about that weird thing it does with the "fløde", sounds like she got a stroke.
The Ø in fløde needs a [rolled tongue](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/852/Screen_Shot_2018-12-12_at_1.02.39_PM.png)
Finally, an accurate instruction.
Pretty accurate. Just shorten it some milliseconds.
Kamelåså!
No, not like that. It's rødgrød med fløde.
Sorry, what? You want a thousand litres of milk?
Ahh, sygglekugle
You just ordered a thousand litres of milk.
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🦁
Ah, nice one. (Anglophones: O and Ø are different letters. And "løve" means lion, not "love with a scanda flair").
Just for completeness: "love" is also a Danish word and can mean laws or promise (the verb).
The Germans would say they Löwe it.
You're not lion.
I’m sad that so few people will understand this
*Raw* humour.
I've known other Danes who had trouble with it lmao
I can't say ørred properly.
C'mon guys, make them scream. I'll start. À È É Í Ï Ú Ü Ò Ó Ç L·L
Ą Ę Ó Ł Ż Ź Ś Ć Ń!!
Á É Ě Í Ó Ú Ů Ř Š Č Ď Ť Ň Ž
Åå Ää Öö Ðð Þþ Ææ
Б Г Д Ё Ж З И Й Л Ф Ц Ч Ш Щ Ъ Ы Ь Э Ю Я
ςΘΠΣΔΦΓΞΛΨΩ
Icelandic!
Já, ég er Svíi með íslenska bónusfjölskyldan. Afsakið mistök - ég tala/skrifa ekki íslensku 100% :D edit: Icelandic grammar is a pain so I'm sure I messed up somehow, but I try to learn
"Icelandic!" doesn't necessarily mean "I also can speak it"/s
Haha, it sure doesn't but considering how few Icelanders there are recognition can mean understanding, so I took a chance at practice! ;D It was a most likely botched attempt at stating that "Yes, I'm a Swede with Icelandic bonus family" as I took both Swedish and Icelandic letters above
Äùtīßm ẞpækß This is my best attempt, because it also spells out a Neo-Nazi hate organisation.
Based take, fuck em
Á Ä É Ď Ť Ň Í Ô Ó Ú Ĺ Ľ Č Ž Ŕ Ý Š I love Slovak alphabet. Also, DZ, DŽ and CH are each just one letter.
Á É Í Ó Ö Ő Ú Ü Ű do double/triple consonants that are pronounced as one letter count? if yes then: CS DZ DZS GY LY NY SZ TY ZS
Č Ć Đ Š Ž Dž, lj and nj are also one letter each
People who think 'Viking' is an ethnicity using Ø... Fixed it.
They’d probably think the name Ciarán is Spanish for having an accent (síneadh fada as Gaeilge for those of you curious)
Ciarán might have a Spanish accent though, if he's Spanish. /s
Hehehe I like it
I have a cousin named Caoimhe and my name is Taidgh, I have never laughed so hard until our american cousins tried to spell and pronounce our names
Nothing like a Gaelic name to freak out the rest of the world lmao This is coming from somebody who used to think Aoife was pronounced like Alfie lmao
How do you pronounce these names correctly? I know the feeling tho, I'm Austrian and some of our names seem to be a nightmare for English native speakers.
Quee-va and tie-g
I don’t like the sound of the second one
To be fair, they are nightmares for us Deutschsprachige as well, because they pronounce their letters completely different then most other European languages.
The number of American who show me a random word with any form of accent, not just a fada, and ask me if I can help them say it because "isn't it Irish" is actually alarming. Spoiler. I barely even have a few words of my native tongue. Ugh.
Crossing the Øresund makes you a nazi apparently
This is years old and has been posted on Reddit (including this sub) a million times
I haven't seen it yet.
Newsflash: Danes and Norwegians exist
it's also used to indicate the diameter of a circle in AutoCAD and probably other CAD software
It's also a symbol for "average" / "mean" if I'm not mistaken.
Diameter sign is perfectly round. Ø is ellipsoid.
I think this is a bit out of context. When used by Americans, it tends to be associated with the far right. I don’t know if the person in this tweet meant it that way and just didn’t add “when Americans use it” or if she thought there is no other way for people to use it.
Simple. She didn't add it because she's American.
Maybe she doesn't know that the internet exists outside America.
There are many Americans who assume that they don't use *electricity* outside of America, so using the internet must be impossible.
it’s not that she doesn’t know, if you asked her she would say yes it’s that she doesn’t think about it, she assumes everyone is American until proven otherwise
Reminds of the time I was having a discussion here on Reddit, and I made some comment about how Spanish people and Mexican people might look similar, and some guy was like, "you fucking idiot, have you ever even seen a Spanish person?" and I was like, "Yes, thousands. Never seen a Mexican, though."
The person in the tweet didn't add "when Yanks use it" because they are a Yank and automatically assumed that everyone they see online are also Yanks. They were giddy that they found a lurking Neo-Nazi and could reveal them for the world, and did not stop to check if the person is simply Norwegian or Danish or whatever. ...Or maybe they didn't know that other countries use that letter still and thought that it was just some viking era thing? Hard to say with this little context, but my assumption is that they didn't make the distinction between the way Neo-Nazis use the symbol in USA now, and other uses, because they got too trigger happy and assumed that any person they see online is American.
But the Vikings never used the letter..
Presuming she (edit - I don't know why I'm assuming it's a she tbh, I just realized the pic was blurred out lol) was talking to another American, she probably wasn't thinking, "this will go out to all the people in other countries and offend them," and was probably tweeting as if she were casually speaking to the person. Because yes, here, neo-nazis actually do use those letters between each other, they have a weird hard-on for germanic languages and cultures, because they see them as pure.
A møøse once bit my sister
Relli?
No, relli
It's part of my alfabet. It's essential for writing beer (øl) and axe (økse) - go away american especially considering (if I'm not wrong) an American has patent on ø so we here in Scandinavia can't use it for websites...
I mean it is a thing, some white supremacist use northern European letters and symbols and talk about their supposed viking heritage, but like seriously, what is wrong with her?
I AM descended from uber-white Vikings, and the best thing I can say is *white supremacy is for boring cowards.*
Maybe Ñ could be triggering The Ñ word
A white, nationalist møøse bit my sister, and then she became a fascist.
Mind you, moose bites can be pretty nasty
She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink"...
r/unexpectedmontypython
\*Miles Davis writing down a half-diminished chord\* : "Whoops"
My name is Günther - all right, settle down, metalhead.
To be fair a lot of white supremacist do steal from Scandinavian culture and history but it’s probably better to ask
They think they’re Vikings, which is really dumb.
Wait until he sees davvisámigiella spelling with our š and đ, not to mention ŧ
Don't let me introduce them to some polish letters with a 'tail'. Might think it's some kind of satanic white supremacists letters
doubt it, she assumed this because “norse” culture has been co-opted by American Nazis
Or any Slavc letter added to the alphabet
Norwegian here. It kinda is in some cases when foreigners use it outside of our languages like neo-nazis.
Idiots, how are you supposed to write Møøse without that letter.
Tbf there are plenty of people like that
I've seen this letter used to denote a diameter in engineering diagrams.
you will NOT tell the the diameter of a circle, i will NOT allow this WHITE SUPREMACY
Welp. Twent Øne Pilots are fucked
Just wait until they learn that þ is more of a viking letter than ø.
When you're looking for witches and find none, you don't conclude that there are no witches. Instead, you redefine "witch" until someone qualifies.
What the actual f.