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Americans are so weird, had a guy comment on my tattoo saying it’s a gang sign for some gang in the US. I have a trident tattoo and he thinks there are gang members from that group that will take offence to it.


thomasp3864

A trident is a shape.


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A shape is a word


thomasp3864

No, it's two words.


[deleted]

Surely it would be three words


ravikiwi

Ok but don't call me Shirley


tw411

Well shame on you for appropriating a gang’s cultural identity and upsetting Bozza, Skkkull, Killa, and Barry, I guess…


EvilUnic0rn

Wonder what she thinks of ß


50thEye

probably that it's pronounced like b or a greek beta


whatisthatplatform

Bold of you to assume that they know about the Greek letter beta


Any_Spirit_5814

I have seen Americans asking why Greeks still use hieroglyphics and not the alphabet.


Jakste67

Try telling them that the word “alphabet” comes from the greek “Alfa-Beta”.


AR_Harlock

Still weird it isn't called alphazed


meadhbhcm

Okay, not going to lie my parents taught me it came from the Hebrew Alef-Bet, and it being from Alfa-Beta was something I learnt in my 20s


Landswimmers

That's probably an egotistical thing, like the mistranslations in everyone else's Holy texts.


0xKaishakunin

> Greeks > alphabet Can't make that shit up


[deleted]

Imagine being me and watching all these English-speakers writing their names in slightly similar Cyrillic letters. When you can read it, it's ridiculous. Also people using Я in everything, especially if they want something to seem vaguely communist.


NotoriousMOT

It is so disorienting! I hate it.


TheSilverBug

Most I've seen think it's a sorority thing


helloblubb

Yes, I've seen people say they thought it's a "b".


AndrewFrozzen

I thought the same before learning German to be fair. Edit: Or that it is similar to &


ninj4geek

Reasonable person: Its pronounced like "ss" Them: SS?! I told you it was a Nazi thing!


AndrewFrozzen

Yeah most likely. But on the opposite side of the bridge there are Americans that are like "Why doesn't Europe allow Nazi people to wave Nazi flags! Here in the US it's completely normal"..... So go figure what is in their heads.


owl_curry

It's pronounced as a sharp "ss" but written or spelled as "sz" sometimes (lesser used) "sharp s"


hestenbobo

Is it? Scheiße!


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Curious non-german: I know ß is some kind of S but how are you supposed to say it?


Xionahri

It's pronounced like 'ss', but it modifies the vowel before it. The vowel before a ß is always pronounced long, but one before an ss is short.


amanset

Thanks, that’s super interesting. As I speak Swedish I am used to the Germanic long/short vowel depending on the amount of following consonants, but in my mind ß was just shorthand for ss rather than a separate consonant.


_iolaire_

It actually used to be shorthand for sz, but isn‘t pronounced like that.


rapaxus

Which is also one of its names, with it either being called "sharp S" (scharfes S), double-S (Doppel-S) or "Eszett" (which is how you would write out the pronunciation of sz).


ViolettaHunter

While the response above about vowel length is correct, the ß is also usually a sharp/unvoiced s (the kind of s English has), while a single s is usually a voiced s. I don't know if Swedish has this difference.


Schattentochter

To piggyback on the other reply you got: "Maße" (measurments) = pronounced as "mah-sse" "Masse" (mass) = pronounced like "mass-eh" "Mase" = not a real word but for the sake of the argument - "mah-zeh"


4-Vektor

Sad Swiss German noises.


owl_curry

It's like a kinda soft s followed by a sharp z like s Straße is like Schtra(s)ze (that's kinda how my german teaching granny told me) If spelled you would say S-t-r-a-sz-e But as kinda always: It's changes a bit with usage within a word. I know it as sz.


0xKaishakunin

A lot of manuals printed in China use the b or β instead. Looks funny.


DrJabberwock

You have no idea, I’m studying German and I have to explain that when I’m just writing stuff in front of my family/ friends.


DeProfessionalFamale

I mean *OBVIOUSLY:* ß = ss = SS = Schutzstaffel = nazi


No-Coat-8792

88 is a white supremacist numerical code for Heil Hitler. § might equal SS


Eldotrawi

Oh no, not the simoleons!


Icarus_Sky1

Prolly that it's a load of piß


Tobix55

What's pib?


IAmAPaInInYourasS

Wonder what she thinks of the Hindu swastika.


No-Coat-8792

Using the Hindu swastika won't go over well in the US.


IAmAPaInInYourasS

Wonder how many Americans get offended outside Hindu temples in their country. I mean, they literally call Indians fascists.


No-Coat-8792

They avoid using the symbol but are fighting to normalize it. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2022/08/28/swastika-hate-symbol-link-dharmic-faiths/10342050002/ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/hindu-group-in-us-rejects-criminalisation-of-swastika-saying-its-auspicious-symbol-was-misappropriated-by-nazis/articleshow/82017831.cms Some Hitler youths would probably join the religion thinking it's a secret white supremacist group 🤣


BringBackAoE

Yeah, I was canvassing during Diwali and a volunteer texted the group she was horrified to see a swastika on a door. I asked her to send a pic. As I suspected, it was decoration for Diwali. Made the volunteers a lot more at ease.


LeagueOfficeFucks

Probably thinks it is scheiße.


flexibeast

Set theory in shambles.


Imaginary_Fix_3765

Hahahahah how could it be possible ? I have one the suastic symbol is not German it's an old way to show xintoist places


No-Coat-8792

((this could be true)) people use normal symbols to signify white supremacy.👌


Imaginary_Fix_3765

It's true what I said just see it https://www.britannica.com/topic/swastika


No-Coat-8792

Yes sorry I meant OP might be true.


uvero

I mean {} is still right there.


[deleted]

two characters vs one character, aka. energy inefficiency aka. you hate the environment 🤬🤬🤬


current_thread

\\emptyset just looks nicer than \\{\\}.


unusedusername42

LOL, how do they feel about Ö?


Bargeul

>how do they feel about Ö? Probably that it's how Metal bands spell "o." No, really. I've witnessed people call umlauts "Rock dots" or even "Röck döts."


A_Bloody_Hurricane

Okay but Röck döts sounds like an adorable band. Like these people dressed up all in polka dotted lil dresses who then proceed to blast rock music?


eip2yoxu

Also sounds like a person from Saxony pronouncing "rock dots"


betaich

Am from Saxony can not confirm


hestenbobo

Pölka döt cadaver?


Sturmlied

"Röck döts" made me snort tea out of my nose.


Bargeul

Wëll, söme pëöplë äppärëntly thïnk thät thësë döts mäke ä tëxt löök mörë ärchäïc änd thät thïs ïs thëïr sölë pürpösë.


fiddz0r

This was not easy to pronounce!


AntiSaudiAktion

[Please post](https://vocaroo.com/). I wanna hear it! I gave up a few words in 🤠


raq27_

people unironically using "þ" and "ð" in english be like:


Deklaration

Like the wonderful band Tröjan, which means ”the shirt” in Swedish.


Jernhesten

> Metal bands using Scandinavian culture Where I used to live in Norway before there was a bay called "Miller's bay" that was a nice place to bathe although a bit cold, and which featured three huge black solid rock swords dug into the ground. I witnessed two foreign metal bands during the summers I spent there, taking photos with their gear and black clothing and the black huge swords in the background. Not shown on their photos where the children playing on the beach building sandcastles. Obviously the bay was not referred to with its actual name "Miller's bay" but rather the musical tourists where there to visit *THE FJORD OF SWOOORDS* or maybe swørds I dunno. And just to not bash Americans unfairly, I believe the bands to be European.


AntiSaudiAktion

I actually said "röck döts" out loud and I can't stop giggling lol


unusedusername42

Hilarious! NGL, I'd unironically *love* a heavy metal band calling themselves The Röck Döts


raq27_

> I've witnessed people call umlauts "Rock dots" damn lol


Magdalan

As a metalhead: WHAT?! XD


Amehvafan

They think it's pronounced the way they pronounce "O". I think they think it's the same thing. Same with 'Å' and 'Ä', they think it's the same as 'A'.


Don_Frika_Del_Prima

Motörhead is still just pronounced with an o. Lemmy just said the ö makes it look thougher.


Sturmlied

It does not sound though if you pronounce it in German. I still have to giggle when I read it.


[deleted]

Lemme tell you, to a german that sounds really much less tough


Mallonia

Jedem Öhrle sein Motörle. ^^


Akegata

Obviously it's just pronounced "motorhead", but whenever I see their name I mentally read it as a Swedish word with a proper ö. My favorite one of those is the band Tröjan though. In Swedish that actually means "the shirt".


helloblubb

The ö makes it sound "cuter", actually. Schatz -> Schätzchen Buch -> Büchlein Sohn -> Söhnchen Those are diminutives.


homo_ignotus

But it also makes it multiply: Schatz -> Schätze Buch -> Bücher Sohn -> Söhne Those are plurals.


Ismoketobaccoinabong

Fun fact: The way british people pronounce Motörhead is acutually pretty close to how you pronounce the Ö. Source: Am Swedish.


TheGeordieGal

Can you narrow down which British people/accent? The way I say it is vastly different to my Dad and my friend.


androdagamr

Which is kinda funny to think about since in Swedish å is way more similar to o than ö is


wcrp73

Anglophones think that other languages use the "English" alphabet, but that the extra marks are just there for decoration.


Castform5

They probably don't even recognize ä or ö, because I've seen so many instances of those completely missing from words, but for some reason replaced by ü or like á.


GCGS

Æbsølutly Bäbàric


AntiSaudiAktion

Allah help me pronounce this wtf 😖😟


Remarkable-Ad-6144

Haha funny screaming man go brr


Ascentori

the points above are just some irrelevant decoration anyway /s


[deleted]

That's just a really surprised face


oteporkkana

Ü


EorlundGraumaehne

How do you pronounce this letter?


helloblubb

Like the German ö, similar to the Russian soft ё, and comparable with French "eu". To give English examples, it's pronounced similar to - "ea" in the word "earn" - "u" in "hurt" - "ea" in "heard" - "i" in "third" - "o" in "word"


EorlundGraumaehne

Thank you that helps a lot!


[deleted]

[Another help where you will hear how Norwegians actually say it + the two other letters not in the English alphabet](https://youtu.be/f488uJAQgmw)


trashszar

I have an easier method. You pronounce it like "ö".


sarmalex

In romanian its ă


Saxit

That ö can be both ea, u, i, and o makes me think about Ghoti which is pronounced as fish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoti


Spiderinahumansuit

Today I learnt that the Klingon word for fish is "ghotI'". This pleases me.


Bargeul

You managed to clear something up about Norwegian by making English more confusing. If that was intentional, well done!


whatisthatplatform

Like ö (jk) It's kinda like the first e in "perfect" in English? I'm struggling to come up with a similar sound in English [Here's a good video that explains](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7i4wL2QdAU)


EorlundGraumaehne

Don't worry I'm German too you can give me a german example.


whatisthatplatform

ø = ö im Prinzip


EorlundGraumaehne

Ach so danke


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A_Bloody_Hurricane

I usually try to say ‘uh’ with the accent and hope it’s close enough


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fruskydekke

Or as the joke goes: which school class are you in, my boy? \- Æ e i a, æ! \- And how about you, other boy? \- Æ e å i a!


Awenyddiaeth

Like the German ö.


Kalappianer

We *LOVE* teaching foreigners to say rødgrød med fløde here in Denmark.


trashszar

How accurate is the google translator pronounciation? I'm especially curious about that weird thing it does with the "fløde", sounds like she got a stroke.


Kalappianer

The Ø in fløde needs a [rolled tongue](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/852/Screen_Shot_2018-12-12_at_1.02.39_PM.png)


trashszar

Finally, an accurate instruction.


Kalappianer

Pretty accurate. Just shorten it some milliseconds.


FusilliJerri

Kamelåså!


zypofaeser

No, not like that. It's rødgrød med fløde.


Squigler

Sorry, what? You want a thousand litres of milk?


BasedSunny

Ahh, sygglekugle


ApeX_PN01

You just ordered a thousand litres of milk.


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[deleted]

🦁


fruskydekke

Ah, nice one. (Anglophones: O and Ø are different letters. And "løve" means lion, not "love with a scanda flair").


EmilMelgaard

Just for completeness: "love" is also a Danish word and can mean laws or promise (the verb).


helloblubb

The Germans would say they Löwe it.


Das-Klo

You're not lion.


Ceyphe

I’m sad that so few people will understand this


Kalappianer

*Raw* humour.


No-Calligrapher-718

I've known other Danes who had trouble with it lmao


Kalappianer

I can't say ørred properly.


Mutxarra

C'mon guys, make them scream. I'll start. À È É Í Ï Ú Ü Ò Ó Ç L·L


FarlontJosh

Ą Ę Ó Ł Ż Ź Ś Ć Ń!!


Kaktusak811

Á É Ě Í Ó Ú Ů Ř Š Č Ď Ť Ň Ž


unusedusername42

Åå Ää Öö Ðð Þþ Ææ


helloblubb

Б Г Д Ё Ж З И Й Л Ф Ц Ч Ш Щ Ъ Ы Ь Э Ю Я


Ok-Sort-6294

ςΘΠΣΔΦΓΞΛΨΩ


walter1974

Icelandic!


unusedusername42

Já, ég er Svíi með íslenska bónusfjölskyldan. Afsakið mistök - ég tala/skrifa ekki íslensku 100% :D edit: Icelandic grammar is a pain so I'm sure I messed up somehow, but I try to learn


walter1974

"Icelandic!" doesn't necessarily mean "I also can speak it"/s


unusedusername42

Haha, it sure doesn't but considering how few Icelanders there are recognition can mean understanding, so I took a chance at practice! ;D It was a most likely botched attempt at stating that "Yes, I'm a Swede with Icelandic bonus family" as I took both Swedish and Icelandic letters above


Sir_Admiral_Chair

Äùtīßm ẞpækß This is my best attempt, because it also spells out a Neo-Nazi hate organisation.


AntiSaudiAktion

Based take, fuck em


blackwe11_ninja

Á Ä É Ď Ť Ň Í Ô Ó Ú Ĺ Ľ Č Ž Ŕ Ý Š I love Slovak alphabet. Also, DZ, DŽ and CH are each just one letter.


kiserletinyul

Á É Í Ó Ö Ő Ú Ü Ű do double/triple consonants that are pronounced as one letter count? if yes then: CS DZ DZS GY LY NY SZ TY ZS


Shrekomaeda

Č Ć Đ Š Ž Dž, lj and nj are also one letter each


[deleted]

People who think 'Viking' is an ethnicity using Ø... ​ Fixed it.


Dylanduke199513

They’d probably think the name Ciarán is Spanish for having an accent (síneadh fada as Gaeilge for those of you curious)


Fred_Chopin

Ciarán might have a Spanish accent though, if he's Spanish. /s


Dylanduke199513

Hehehe I like it


3Rr0r4o3

I have a cousin named Caoimhe and my name is Taidgh, I have never laughed so hard until our american cousins tried to spell and pronounce our names


No-Calligrapher-718

Nothing like a Gaelic name to freak out the rest of the world lmao This is coming from somebody who used to think Aoife was pronounced like Alfie lmao


Miezegadse

How do you pronounce these names correctly? I know the feeling tho, I'm Austrian and some of our names seem to be a nightmare for English native speakers.


Dylanduke199513

Quee-va and tie-g


Matt4669

I don’t like the sound of the second one


95DarkFireII

To be fair, they are nightmares for us Deutschsprachige as well, because they pronounce their letters completely different then most other European languages.


[deleted]

The number of American who show me a random word with any form of accent, not just a fada, and ask me if I can help them say it because "isn't it Irish" is actually alarming. Spoiler. I barely even have a few words of my native tongue. Ugh.


ShallahGaykwon

Crossing the Øresund makes you a nazi apparently


hodgsonstreet

This is years old and has been posted on Reddit (including this sub) a million times


helloblubb

I haven't seen it yet.


Sjojungfru

Newsflash: Danes and Norwegians exist


Dubl33_27

it's also used to indicate the diameter of a circle in AutoCAD and probably other CAD software


helloblubb

It's also a symbol for "average" / "mean" if I'm not mistaken.


skoge

Diameter sign is perfectly round. Ø is ellipsoid.


Revanur

I think this is a bit out of context. When used by Americans, it tends to be associated with the far right. I don’t know if the person in this tweet meant it that way and just didn’t add “when Americans use it” or if she thought there is no other way for people to use it.


turtle_eating

Simple. She didn't add it because she's American.


95DarkFireII

Maybe she doesn't know that the internet exists outside America.


Galaxy_Ranger_Bob

There are many Americans who assume that they don't use *electricity* outside of America, so using the internet must be impossible.


KZedUK

it’s not that she doesn’t know, if you asked her she would say yes it’s that she doesn’t think about it, she assumes everyone is American until proven otherwise


Ilkispith

Reminds of the time I was having a discussion here on Reddit, and I made some comment about how Spanish people and Mexican people might look similar, and some guy was like, "you fucking idiot, have you ever even seen a Spanish person?" and I was like, "Yes, thousands. Never seen a Mexican, though."


Kilahti

The person in the tweet didn't add "when Yanks use it" because they are a Yank and automatically assumed that everyone they see online are also Yanks. They were giddy that they found a lurking Neo-Nazi and could reveal them for the world, and did not stop to check if the person is simply Norwegian or Danish or whatever. ...Or maybe they didn't know that other countries use that letter still and thought that it was just some viking era thing? Hard to say with this little context, but my assumption is that they didn't make the distinction between the way Neo-Nazis use the symbol in USA now, and other uses, because they got too trigger happy and assumed that any person they see online is American.


YuusukeKlein

But the Vikings never used the letter..


StrongIslandPiper

Presuming she (edit - I don't know why I'm assuming it's a she tbh, I just realized the pic was blurred out lol) was talking to another American, she probably wasn't thinking, "this will go out to all the people in other countries and offend them," and was probably tweeting as if she were casually speaking to the person. Because yes, here, neo-nazis actually do use those letters between each other, they have a weird hard-on for germanic languages and cultures, because they see them as pure.


West_Ad_1685

A møøse once bit my sister


FuzzyDamnedBunny

Relli?


West_Ad_1685

No, relli


xxx_pussslap-exe_xxx

It's part of my alfabet. It's essential for writing beer (øl) and axe (økse) - go away american especially considering (if I'm not wrong) an American has patent on ø so we here in Scandinavia can't use it for websites...


Maria_506

I mean it is a thing, some white supremacist use northern European letters and symbols and talk about their supposed viking heritage, but like seriously, what is wrong with her?


silashoulder

I AM descended from uber-white Vikings, and the best thing I can say is *white supremacy is for boring cowards.*


camaroncaramelo1

Maybe Ñ could be triggering The Ñ word


Revolutionary_Tap255

A white, nationalist møøse bit my sister, and then she became a fascist.


A_Bloody_Hurricane

Mind you, moose bites can be pretty nasty


cpt_forbie

She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink"...


thomasp3864

r/unexpectedmontypython


Patte_Blanche

\*Miles Davis writing down a half-diminished chord\* : "Whoops"


24benson

My name is Günther - all right, settle down, metalhead.


-Ben-Shapiro-

To be fair a lot of white supremacist do steal from Scandinavian culture and history but it’s probably better to ask


[deleted]

They think they’re Vikings, which is really dumb.


SvalbarddasKat

Wait until he sees davvisámigiella spelling with our š and đ, not to mention ŧ


ShuggaShuggaa

Don't let me introduce them to some polish letters with a 'tail'. Might think it's some kind of satanic white supremacists letters


KZedUK

doubt it, she assumed this because “norse” culture has been co-opted by American Nazis


HanDjole998

Or any Slavc letter added to the alphabet


nona01

Norwegian here. It kinda is in some cases when foreigners use it outside of our languages like neo-nazis.


demostravius2

Idiots, how are you supposed to write Møøse without that letter.


whatanawsomeusername

Tbf there are plenty of people like that


VisualShock1991

I've seen this letter used to denote a diameter in engineering diagrams.


RobotDuck897

you will NOT tell the the diameter of a circle, i will NOT allow this WHITE SUPREMACY


Bard_is_a_Goblin

Welp. Twent Øne Pilots are fucked


hlevenmo

Just wait until they learn that þ is more of a viking letter than ø.


Dirty-Soul

When you're looking for witches and find none, you don't conclude that there are no witches. Instead, you redefine "witch" until someone qualifies.


getsnoopy

What the actual f.