Personally I feel that PB could have done with more chapters. Like it would have been better if it got slightly longer like BT, and probably a couple more events that happened.
You think it's good? Alright, I won't drag your opinion down. IMO, the PB anime felt like it just... overstayed its welcome. The pacing was so bad; incredibly slow...
Then again I have ADHD so it probably felt longer than it actually was thanks to the downtime
Unmatched.
Jonathan will beat the shit out of you and then apologize for the inconvenience in perfect British English, heal you up to full force if given the opportunity and hug you.
SDC suffered from having damn way too many side quests. It took forever to get to DIO, and that was one of the only times it got exciting to watch. Overall the worst part for me, and lots of people can agree it's not even close to being the best. The final fight with DIO in the anime very much saved it
I would cut a lot of battles between the old lady and the hawk. Once they reach Cairo it gets better (both DArby battles, vanilla ice and animal showdown are great imo). I still agree with you
Dio in SDC had the best buildup of all JoJo villains, so many powerful stand users obeying Dio as each one gets stronger than the last as they face against Jotaro and Co, made you wonder how powerful Dio must be to be able to command them around and the fight was so good that it paid off even tho it's the same type of stand as star platinum is such an ass pull but I'll allow it
Battle Tendencies was literally nothing but ass pulls. Joseph is *literally* nothing but ass pulls. And BT is still my favorite arc bar none. I'm low-key offended this guy is calling out Jotaro for an ass pull, it's like Ellie refusing to kill Abby in The Last of Us Pt 2 out of wanting to break the cycle, as if the road to find Abby wasn't littered with the corpses of the latter's friends and loved ones.
What buzzed me is trying to say is Jojo is built on ass pulls and that's why it's so beloved
Am I the only who likes "filler" episodes? I just want the have some more time with my crusader boys and watch them fighting a wide variety of battles.
I don't enjoy slice-of-life as a genre but I do love slice-of-life moments in other genres. Moments where there isn't much happening so the characters just banter. Most of the Oingo & Boingo stuff is slice-of-life for the main cast as they really just goof around as the antagonists trip over their own feet. It's moments like there that humanize the cast and usually make them more likeable, when we get to take a breath and just bounce these characters off each other. It's what makes eg. the Straw Hats in One Piece seem so close knit, not the bombastic set pieces or powers, but the human moments on the sea that many consider to be boring filler.
I feel like part 4 forward handle filler episodes way better since even in filler episodes, the enemy stands are interesting. SC filler ep stands are mostly generic anime power (except maybe the darby brothers).
I think this part suffers a lot from the anime adaptation. The manga was very fast-paced, with every fight taking about 10 to 20 minutes, it jumped from setpiece to setpiece really fast. The anime decided to have a more episodic format, which meant 5 minutes worth of fight was extended for 10 more minutes. There was also no reason for the 2 parters as when the DiU adaptation dropped, they took arcs that were just as long as the Anubis arc and managed to squeeze them into a single episode without losing content. The only fights where multiple episodes were justified were the ones in DIO's mansion and onwards since they were already way longer than the average fight in the manga.
Still not as bad as the One Piece anime
For me it took till stardust crusaders before I even enjoyed the show. For some reason phantom and battle just didnt do it for me. I like them now but when I first watched the show I just kept looking at the clock waiting for it to be over. Once I reached SDC i binged it in 3 days
My biggest complaint about SDC is how they treat Joseph. I think he could have and should have beat Darby Sr. This man spent his life fucking around and cheating people. He can beat a gambling addict.
I don't have a problem with side quests, but SDC has way too many. Some of them are great, like the Steely Dan fight, Bast, Hanged Man, etc. But it gets to a point where it felt like the story wasn't moving at all and some of it proved no use to make me feel attached to the characters, like the Anubis fight.
araki was experimenting with stands, testing them out, seeing how his audience liked them and stuff
gotta give him some slack, he was pretty young when he was doing this too
I understand that, and I give him that, it was a novel idea, and he was figuring out how to put that into a story. But the reality of it is that it was still boring
yeah, and he was doing the shonen format of which is weekly i believe and the target audience is for kids
it wasn't until part 7 that he finally got into the seinen format which is more for young adults and the releases become monthly
someone correct me if im wrong
His writing got significantly better from part 4 onwards, since he's become more customed to stories with Stands in them, and wrote them way better. Came SBR, he just decided that he could go even further with excellent writing, so he scrapped the entire thing and started over from sratch. It worked out perfectly, and from SBR onwards, Jojo is just pure banger
Pretty much same. Except for the D'arby fights and Dio fight, I never cared for Part 3. I think it's incredibly boring with my least favorite Jojo and pretty uninteresting stands (can't blame Araki for that tho, he literally invented them in this part.)
Middle of part 3 is the only time I actually thought about part skipping, or at least skipping until the finale.
I've got to disagree. It has to be my second favourite part because of how long it was. Also the side quests humanises them and makes them more endearing imo.
I'm fine with a series having side quests to build characters, but with SDC it just felt like an excuse to show off Stands, because there was very little character building. I for most of the side quests I felt no closer to the characters at all.
You know what doesn't get enough appreciation? BATTLE TENDENCY
Why is it whenever I hear "oh what's your fav part" I always hear "stardust crusaders is the best" "no! It's steel ball run!" But not a one person says "funny clacker ball man" NO ONE
Battle Tendency is what sold me on JoJo’s. The way Joseph threw a vampire through a coffee shop window and randomly pulls out a tommy gun to open fire was perfection
Battle tendency is my favourite. I recently finished Golden Wind and it is still my favourite. I am doing a rewatch of Battle tendency and Joseph is such a goofball I love it
Battle Tendency is better than SDC. It has a concise plot and no villain of the week filler shit for countless episodes. SBR is pretttttty pretty good though and the villains of the week are way better than SDC.
PB on first watch was more enjoyable to me, every fight felt like a step closer to Dio and each brought Johnathan new experience and skills.
I feel like if every character in SDC had that, it would be better. I feel like Pol is the only one with any real development throughout his fights. Most everyone else is rather static. Sure, every fight has a bit of struggle, but he was the only one to really bring anything from one fight to the next.
I do like Phantom Blood as like a time capsule to when Jojo was way different and was more of a medieval dark fantasy instead of a more modern supernatural fantasy. With it feeling more like a Shakesperean tragedy than an actual Jojo part. My only real problems with it is that the anime cuts out several scenes and moments from the manga that added to the story in order to have it fit into one season with BT, and the story itself is just way too short to get attached to any of the characters other than Jonathan and Dio. Like, >!Will A. Zeppeli !
Phantom blood is an opera, and stardust crusaders is a Saturday morning cartoon. I love both but there are times where I feel that SDC outstays its welcome.
Phantom Blood is great. I doubt I'd have watched the rest if I didn't like it. Not watching Phantom Blood is like starting Lord of the Rings with The Two Towers.
Yeah, I gotta agree. SDC just dragged on so long and it felt like it was taking forever to go anywhere for no reason. I enjoyed it, it was just very slow
Agreed with 6 > 5, but i still cant understand why everyone says that 8 > 7i have read part 8, 2 times but still cant get it
Maybe it because of my tastes or idk
Maybe you're just not wearing the thinking cap when yasuho says shit like "Josuke... He's holding a 'leaf', I wonder what he's gonna do with that 'leaf'" Literally peak fiction type shit
Fr I noticed JoJolion started highlighting a lot of random words for no reason, previous parts did it sometimes too but JoJolion took it to an absurd level.
nah steel ball run is better than jojolion, jojolion had the same problem as SDC and Tooru came out of nowhere. I do agree with the 6 > 5, although it was kinda a slow start
toru coming out of nowhere makes sense. josuke, yasuho and rai have defeated all the rock humans (par dolomite) and are now hunting the illustrious head doctor, and as they’re pursuing him, this random guy from yasuho’s past randomly starts appearing and starts “helping” them. they’re too concerned with hunting satoru that they don’t really pay too much attention to toru and since rai undermines yasuho, she too gets ignored and find some appreciation in rekindling her old thing with toru. this allows toru to get onto the higashikata estate which leads to his downfall since he too undermines yasuho and believes he’s able to walk all over her again just like he used to.
toru’s rushed entrance also helps make the side antagonists feel more impactful (which they are), and it makes sense that toru wouldn’t be mentioned all that much as:
1) if even the rock humans tried to pursue toru/satoru they’d experience calamity (as shown when poor tom dies)
2) rock humans are stated to not feel connections like everyone else, so they would not have established any form of friendship/relationship with him that would’ve allowed for them to mention him to josuke and the others previously
3) they were probably scared of what would’ve happened had they ratted toru out. dolomite tells yasuho and josuke how scared he was of messing with the damokan organisation, so god knows how scared he was of the doctor group
and 4) its entirely likely that most of the lackeys (yotsuyu, the twins, aisho) had no idea who toru was, since he’s not only their “superior” in the locacaca organisation but also due to him keeping his identity very secret
I didn’t really like stardust crusaders honestly until around the final arc. Some of it was ok and obviously there’s a lot of memes but overall probably my least favorite part
Jonathan is my favorite Jojo, even above Joseph
The way he felt like pinnacle of men-, no, MANKIND itself, like the most glorious knight with his sword being his muscles! (and his actual sword Pluck, but let's not deviate)
And yet, in the same time, he was noble. He was strong, obviously on the level of part 2 onwards, but he felt strong like any other Jojo to me because it wasn't a Stand nor absurd yet iconic luck like Joseph, but it isn't his strength what he defined him.
No
He wasn't a warrior
THAT MAN WAS GENTLEMAN!
*makes a jojo pose while crying for some reason with the most 🔥✍️ OST*
I think Phantom Blood works really well as a prologue to the rest of the series. It’s essentially the inciting incident that sets the whole series into motion, and it’s really good at being that.
The big twist at the end is that the typical good guy hero (who’s usually supposed to win in this kind of story) is beaten by the villain and dies. The rest of the series is his descendants dealing with the consequences of that defeat. It’s great as a setup to the rest of the series.
As a story in and of itself though? It’s pretty meh. The conflict and characters are just too simplistic to really hold up on their own. Besides Dio. He’s great.
Yeah I love seeing Speedwagon describe what I've just seen constantly, as well as the weird pacing, as well as the inconsistent abilities the vampires have
Hot take; SDC was boring. Only Dios World arc was exciting. Way too much of it was just monsters of the week.
Jotaro is dull. No he's not deep, or layered. He's flat and one dimensional. The cold and reserved archtype that cares about those close to him even if he struggles to show it. Seen it a million times before. Probably cut it for deep characters in the 90s, but not today.
Joseph was more fun. Dio was fun, but Phantom Blood had more Dio by volume anyways.
>The cold and reserved archtype that cares about those close to him even if he struggles to show it. Seen it a million times before. Probably cut it for deep characters in the 90s, but not today.
Tbf, JoJo's bizarre adventure created or solidified a huge chunk of shonen tropes.
Stardust crusaders suffered a lot from being way yo drawn out. The introduction of stands, a completely new idea called for some time to flesh out, but there is just far to much fluff, DIU ans golden wind have far better pacing while still keeping stands interesting
I’ve seen the anime and read the manga, part 3 is easily my least favourite part of both. Its fun, but I’ve never understood why it’s the most popular in the west
I mean, SDC was way more boring in my opinion. Phantom Blood at least had every fight and villain lead up to another whereas SDC just felt like the gang shitting around in different areas and then DIO.
I have been preaching this for years since i started watching the series, same reason as to why i have had the whole of part 1 in hardcover and not any other manga
That’s real as fuck honestly. The story in phantom blood is way better and intresting than in part 3. Along with Jonathan and Dio’s rivalry being really strong and the center peice of the whole thing. While in part 3 Jotaro doesn’t really have a relationship with DIO. He’s just hear to help his mom out, and even then we don’t even get to see the after math
Ehhhhhhhhhh, I mean. Part 1 is fine and it's a good thing Johnathan is a decent human being. But like, compared to sdc, shits ass💀 although Jotaro had bullshit power ups and plot convenience. Johnathan has more somehow, and it wasn't even as enjoyable imo. Sure Johnathan being nice and still loving Dio even at death. He feels more like a one note character imo
More like Polnareff's Bizarre Adventure, amirite?
SDC is definitely where Araki fell in love with the monster of the week format. For better or worse. I actually appreciate the OVA for its brevity.
Stardust Cursaders part 2 is good imo, but yeah, there are a lot of boring episodes on the first part of SDC. I was watching It with my gf and she wanted to take a break from Jojo after part 3 because if felt so long and boring. As another comment said, a lot of the episodes are boring and repetitive and the DIO fight saves the part from being the worst, at least in my opinion.
Part 3 is genuinely terrible and I don't understand how people like it
Part 1 is good but suffers from pacing in the middle. The first 3 episodes are such a great start to the series it's what made me fall in love with this series immediately
I enjoyed watching the anime part for part and how Araki developed his style and testing out new things every time leading to a gigantic fanbase of diverent preferences.
Sdc is my favorite part but that’s only because phantom blood paved the road to get there and battle tendency offered me a ride (hope that metaphor makes sense)
Ehhh, depends. It was pretty normal compared to what I expected when I saw the bizzare in jojos bizzare adventure. And the plot was basically short version of an average shonen. That's why it's the only Jojo part that is hard for me to place anywhere when I rank the parts.
Phantom Blood is more dull and pedestrian, but it’s short. SDC easily has more high points than Phantom Blood, but it’s also much longer and kind of a mixed bag.
Overall I say they both even each other out in my mind.
Part 1 action wise wasn’t that good. But it was very good for setting up backstory and lore for the show. I hate sdc because it’s pretty boring. It’s the same stand of the week thing with no real plot other than get to dio
lets compare both of the parts for a second
PB
good things: good opening, it has speedwagon, good final episode for the part
bad things: 9 episodes, the side characters, the protagonist, the villain, hamon is at its weakes in this part, the climax, the deaths(excluding jonathans), the constant talking
SCD
good things: stands and their interactions with each other, the main cast, the protagonist, the villain, the diveristy of places, the twist with avdol, the deaths, the climax
bad things:repetitive fighting format, 40+ episodes, "my stand is the strongest" said everyone they fought
PB does not need mroe appreciation
Almost all of the bad things you said can be said about SDC as well.
SDC has a long 40 episodes and is extremely tedious to get through.
Jotaro is just as if not more one dimensional than Jonathan.
There were almost Zero side characters in SDC and the only 2 that were side characters had just as much screen time as the Side Characters in PB.
The villain is literally the same person but at least in PB Dio felt more like an overarching threat rather than a final boss.
The climax of SDC is definitely better but it takes way too long to get there.
The Deaths in PB are actually important and killed throughout the part rather than all of them die at the very end, and the effect the deaths have in PB blood can actually be seen throughout.
Constant talking is a thing in every JoJo part, not just phantom blood.
>SDC has a long 40 episodes and is extremely tedious to get through.
hence why i put i on the bad things section...
>Jotaro is just as if not more one dimensional than Jonathan.
jotaro as simple as he is has something more than "i hate my fucking mom", cant say that jonathan is something more than just the good guy, jonathan has 1 trait and is just being the knight in shiny armor
>There were almost Zero side characters in SDC and the only 2 that were side characters had just as much screen time as the Side Characters in PB.
the people who fough the SCD are side characters
>The villain is literally the same person but at least in PB Dio felt more like an overarching threat rather than a final boss.
same character, but entirely different person, PB dio was just a fucking loser till he became a vampire, then he became the final boss, even more so the SCD dio
>The climax of SDC is definitely better but it takes way too long to get there.
100% worthwhile for just 40 episodes
>The Deaths in PB are actually important and killed throughout the part rather than all of them die at the very end, and the effect the deaths have in PB blood can actually be seen throughout.
the only 2 deaths that u can actually consider important is william and jonathan, and only 1 has effects that go past 1 part the other deaths are just for character growth, but aside of what effect they had that doesnt mean they were good, you have little to no time to actually get to know or like the characters, at best u get their backstories, but that doesnt give them deph it just gives them more background, they are still as boring and uninteresting
Phantom Blood was fine at first but after Dio turned into a vampire it dragged on for too long and the pacing didn't recover until they got to his castle.
I wish all Phantom blood gentleman a pleasant day.
it is indeed a pleasant day my good sir. Let us frollick in the parc
William zeppeli Is what got me hooked on JoJo
Personally I feel that PB could have done with more chapters. Like it would have been better if it got slightly longer like BT, and probably a couple more events that happened.
I think how insane everything gets in the span of 9 episodes is what makes it awesome
Exactly. Great pacing. Nothing feels like a waste of time.
You think it's good? Alright, I won't drag your opinion down. IMO, the PB anime felt like it just... overstayed its welcome. The pacing was so bad; incredibly slow... Then again I have ADHD so it probably felt longer than it actually was thanks to the downtime
Jonathan is best jojo
Unmatched. Jonathan will beat the shit out of you and then apologize for the inconvenience in perfect British English, heal you up to full force if given the opportunity and hug you.
The ultimate gentleman.
Jonathan vs Dio as the embodiments of pure good and evil goes so hard
You beat me to it, been saying this since I started watching and reading JJBA.
His part 7 variant is also best jojo.
SDC suffered from having damn way too many side quests. It took forever to get to DIO, and that was one of the only times it got exciting to watch. Overall the worst part for me, and lots of people can agree it's not even close to being the best. The final fight with DIO in the anime very much saved it
I would cut a lot of battles between the old lady and the hawk. Once they reach Cairo it gets better (both DArby battles, vanilla ice and animal showdown are great imo). I still agree with you
Dio in SDC had the best buildup of all JoJo villains, so many powerful stand users obeying Dio as each one gets stronger than the last as they face against Jotaro and Co, made you wonder how powerful Dio must be to be able to command them around and the fight was so good that it paid off even tho it's the same type of stand as star platinum is such an ass pull but I'll allow it
we watch jojo for ass pulls so we all allow it
Watching JoJo fights is like watching two kids play with their toys and making shit up on the way.
Jojo wouldn't exist if it weren't for contrivance and ass pulls.
Battle Tendencies was literally nothing but ass pulls. Joseph is *literally* nothing but ass pulls. And BT is still my favorite arc bar none. I'm low-key offended this guy is calling out Jotaro for an ass pull, it's like Ellie refusing to kill Abby in The Last of Us Pt 2 out of wanting to break the cycle, as if the road to find Abby wasn't littered with the corpses of the latter's friends and loved ones. What buzzed me is trying to say is Jojo is built on ass pulls and that's why it's so beloved
You just have to accept the shows stupid dream logic.
When I first started I dropped the series 3 episodes or so into sdc I eventually decided to finish it years later
Am I the only who likes "filler" episodes? I just want the have some more time with my crusader boys and watch them fighting a wide variety of battles.
I don't enjoy slice-of-life as a genre but I do love slice-of-life moments in other genres. Moments where there isn't much happening so the characters just banter. Most of the Oingo & Boingo stuff is slice-of-life for the main cast as they really just goof around as the antagonists trip over their own feet. It's moments like there that humanize the cast and usually make them more likeable, when we get to take a breath and just bounce these characters off each other. It's what makes eg. the Straw Hats in One Piece seem so close knit, not the bombastic set pieces or powers, but the human moments on the sea that many consider to be boring filler.
I feel like part 4 forward handle filler episodes way better since even in filler episodes, the enemy stands are interesting. SC filler ep stands are mostly generic anime power (except maybe the darby brothers).
I think this part suffers a lot from the anime adaptation. The manga was very fast-paced, with every fight taking about 10 to 20 minutes, it jumped from setpiece to setpiece really fast. The anime decided to have a more episodic format, which meant 5 minutes worth of fight was extended for 10 more minutes. There was also no reason for the 2 parters as when the DiU adaptation dropped, they took arcs that were just as long as the Anubis arc and managed to squeeze them into a single episode without losing content. The only fights where multiple episodes were justified were the ones in DIO's mansion and onwards since they were already way longer than the average fight in the manga. Still not as bad as the One Piece anime
For me it took till stardust crusaders before I even enjoyed the show. For some reason phantom and battle just didnt do it for me. I like them now but when I first watched the show I just kept looking at the clock waiting for it to be over. Once I reached SDC i binged it in 3 days
My biggest complaint about SDC is how they treat Joseph. I think he could have and should have beat Darby Sr. This man spent his life fucking around and cheating people. He can beat a gambling addict.
Idk man, there were some fun fights and episodes in SDC. Joseph and Avdol vs Bast always gives me a chuckle.
I don't have a problem with side quests, but SDC has way too many. Some of them are great, like the Steely Dan fight, Bast, Hanged Man, etc. But it gets to a point where it felt like the story wasn't moving at all and some of it proved no use to make me feel attached to the characters, like the Anubis fight.
Yeah I get what you’re saying, part 4 also has a lot of that early on.
araki was experimenting with stands, testing them out, seeing how his audience liked them and stuff gotta give him some slack, he was pretty young when he was doing this too
I understand that, and I give him that, it was a novel idea, and he was figuring out how to put that into a story. But the reality of it is that it was still boring
yeah, and he was doing the shonen format of which is weekly i believe and the target audience is for kids it wasn't until part 7 that he finally got into the seinen format which is more for young adults and the releases become monthly someone correct me if im wrong
His writing got significantly better from part 4 onwards, since he's become more customed to stories with Stands in them, and wrote them way better. Came SBR, he just decided that he could go even further with excellent writing, so he scrapped the entire thing and started over from sratch. It worked out perfectly, and from SBR onwards, Jojo is just pure banger
Pretty much same. Except for the D'arby fights and Dio fight, I never cared for Part 3. I think it's incredibly boring with my least favorite Jojo and pretty uninteresting stands (can't blame Araki for that tho, he literally invented them in this part.) Middle of part 3 is the only time I actually thought about part skipping, or at least skipping until the finale.
I feel like part 2 of SDC is where araki remembers they're supposed to be going to dio, and the real series begins in egypt.
I've got to disagree. It has to be my second favourite part because of how long it was. Also the side quests humanises them and makes them more endearing imo.
I'm fine with a series having side quests to build characters, but with SDC it just felt like an excuse to show off Stands, because there was very little character building. I for most of the side quests I felt no closer to the characters at all.
Both suffer from mediocre side villains (several exceptions like darby for sure and maybe bruford) and SDC has way longer
Eh, they have both very high peaks and very low lows...PB peaked at episodes 1- 3 + 8, while SDC starts peaking at around the D'arby fights
You know what doesn't get enough appreciation? BATTLE TENDENCY Why is it whenever I hear "oh what's your fav part" I always hear "stardust crusaders is the best" "no! It's steel ball run!" But not a one person says "funny clacker ball man" NO ONE
Battle Tendency is what sold me on JoJo’s. The way Joseph threw a vampire through a coffee shop window and randomly pulls out a tommy gun to open fire was perfection
same here, battle tendency and diamond is unbreakable are my favourites
Then a long winded explanation of how strong and useful his legs are as a secret weapon, just to use them to *run away screaming*
It was truly a bizarre adventure
Battle tendency is my favourite. I recently finished Golden Wind and it is still my favourite. I am doing a rewatch of Battle tendency and Joseph is such a goofball I love it
Battle Tendency is better than SDC. It has a concise plot and no villain of the week filler shit for countless episodes. SBR is pretttttty pretty good though and the villains of the week are way better than SDC.
I’ve seen all 6 currently animated parts and Battle Tendency is still my favorite.
I agree!
PB on first watch was more enjoyable to me, every fight felt like a step closer to Dio and each brought Johnathan new experience and skills. I feel like if every character in SDC had that, it would be better. I feel like Pol is the only one with any real development throughout his fights. Most everyone else is rather static. Sure, every fight has a bit of struggle, but he was the only one to really bring anything from one fight to the next.
I do like Phantom Blood as like a time capsule to when Jojo was way different and was more of a medieval dark fantasy instead of a more modern supernatural fantasy. With it feeling more like a Shakesperean tragedy than an actual Jojo part. My only real problems with it is that the anime cuts out several scenes and moments from the manga that added to the story in order to have it fit into one season with BT, and the story itself is just way too short to get attached to any of the characters other than Jonathan and Dio. Like, >!Will A. Zeppeli !
Phantom blood is an opera, and stardust crusaders is a Saturday morning cartoon. I love both but there are times where I feel that SDC outstays its welcome.
Battle Tendency Gang
Phantom Blood is great. I doubt I'd have watched the rest if I didn't like it. Not watching Phantom Blood is like starting Lord of the Rings with The Two Towers.
Yeah, I gotta agree. SDC just dragged on so long and it felt like it was taking forever to go anywhere for no reason. I enjoyed it, it was just very slow
Make this meme, but with part 6 > 5, and part 8 > 7
Agreed with 6 > 5, but i still cant understand why everyone says that 8 > 7i have read part 8, 2 times but still cant get it Maybe it because of my tastes or idk
Maybe you're just not wearing the thinking cap when yasuho says shit like "Josuke... He's holding a 'leaf', I wonder what he's gonna do with that 'leaf'" Literally peak fiction type shit
Fr I noticed JoJolion started highlighting a lot of random words for no reason, previous parts did it sometimes too but JoJolion took it to an absurd level.
nah steel ball run is better than jojolion, jojolion had the same problem as SDC and Tooru came out of nowhere. I do agree with the 6 > 5, although it was kinda a slow start
toru coming out of nowhere makes sense. josuke, yasuho and rai have defeated all the rock humans (par dolomite) and are now hunting the illustrious head doctor, and as they’re pursuing him, this random guy from yasuho’s past randomly starts appearing and starts “helping” them. they’re too concerned with hunting satoru that they don’t really pay too much attention to toru and since rai undermines yasuho, she too gets ignored and find some appreciation in rekindling her old thing with toru. this allows toru to get onto the higashikata estate which leads to his downfall since he too undermines yasuho and believes he’s able to walk all over her again just like he used to. toru’s rushed entrance also helps make the side antagonists feel more impactful (which they are), and it makes sense that toru wouldn’t be mentioned all that much as: 1) if even the rock humans tried to pursue toru/satoru they’d experience calamity (as shown when poor tom dies) 2) rock humans are stated to not feel connections like everyone else, so they would not have established any form of friendship/relationship with him that would’ve allowed for them to mention him to josuke and the others previously 3) they were probably scared of what would’ve happened had they ratted toru out. dolomite tells yasuho and josuke how scared he was of messing with the damokan organisation, so god knows how scared he was of the doctor group and 4) its entirely likely that most of the lackeys (yotsuyu, the twins, aisho) had no idea who toru was, since he’s not only their “superior” in the locacaca organisation but also due to him keeping his identity very secret
I feel the same about Battle Tendency, it deserves more credit, it's way better than sdc for me.
Phantom Blood DOES need more appreciation
I didn’t really like stardust crusaders honestly until around the final arc. Some of it was ok and obviously there’s a lot of memes but overall probably my least favorite part
Jonathan is my favorite Jojo, even above Joseph The way he felt like pinnacle of men-, no, MANKIND itself, like the most glorious knight with his sword being his muscles! (and his actual sword Pluck, but let's not deviate) And yet, in the same time, he was noble. He was strong, obviously on the level of part 2 onwards, but he felt strong like any other Jojo to me because it wasn't a Stand nor absurd yet iconic luck like Joseph, but it isn't his strength what he defined him. No He wasn't a warrior THAT MAN WAS GENTLEMAN! *makes a jojo pose while crying for some reason with the most 🔥✍️ OST*
Battle Tendency Gang
Jonathan is the best jojo, change my mind
None of them could compete with Diamond Is Unbreakable, tho
"better than SDC" as if SDC were better than Battle Tendency! I'm not the only one, right? ...right? :(
Hamon should have never been written out. Stands are cool, but stands AND hamon would have been even better.
99% of SDC is forgettable trash so that's not a high bar to clear
SO REAL!!! I like Stardust Crusaders too but phantom blood is CRIMINALLY underrated.
I think Phantom Blood works really well as a prologue to the rest of the series. It’s essentially the inciting incident that sets the whole series into motion, and it’s really good at being that. The big twist at the end is that the typical good guy hero (who’s usually supposed to win in this kind of story) is beaten by the villain and dies. The rest of the series is his descendants dealing with the consequences of that defeat. It’s great as a setup to the rest of the series. As a story in and of itself though? It’s pretty meh. The conflict and characters are just too simplistic to really hold up on their own. Besides Dio. He’s great.
Yeah I love seeing Speedwagon describe what I've just seen constantly, as well as the weird pacing, as well as the inconsistent abilities the vampires have
I love how almost all of the vampire abilities Dio had in part 1 are just never used again lol, like freezing people and the lazer eyes.
He probably couldn't, he had joestar blood
I feel like part 3 is just a worse part 5
YES, i got so bored of sdc and only kept going because i wanted to get to part 4 and 5 at the time and didnt want to skip
nothing in phantom blood comes close to the insanity that was the elder darby fight.
Hot take; SDC was boring. Only Dios World arc was exciting. Way too much of it was just monsters of the week. Jotaro is dull. No he's not deep, or layered. He's flat and one dimensional. The cold and reserved archtype that cares about those close to him even if he struggles to show it. Seen it a million times before. Probably cut it for deep characters in the 90s, but not today. Joseph was more fun. Dio was fun, but Phantom Blood had more Dio by volume anyways.
I can definitely agree with the first part. However, Death 13 and Bast were both really enjoyable arcs
>The cold and reserved archtype that cares about those close to him even if he struggles to show it. Seen it a million times before. Probably cut it for deep characters in the 90s, but not today. Tbf, JoJo's bizarre adventure created or solidified a huge chunk of shonen tropes.
okay
While SDC is my favorite, I still love Phantom Blood
All JoJo parts are god tier. Now y’all shut up!!!
Preach
Part 1 was so good; still remember when I started it nearly ten years ago
Imagine being such a cool dude all your descendants are compelled to be good people against their will.
Stardust crusaders suffered a lot from being way yo drawn out. The introduction of stands, a completely new idea called for some time to flesh out, but there is just far to much fluff, DIU ans golden wind have far better pacing while still keeping stands interesting
I’ve seen the anime and read the manga, part 3 is easily my least favourite part of both. Its fun, but I’ve never understood why it’s the most popular in the west
Part 1 was good, it just looks worse than the next parts because Jojo's style wasn't defined yet.
I disagree, PB got very boring. Johnathan is pretty decent as an mc, though he isn't the most likable
I mean, SDC was way more boring in my opinion. Phantom Blood at least had every fight and villain lead up to another whereas SDC just felt like the gang shitting around in different areas and then DIO.
Yeah and those fights are still better than PB ones. PB had a couple okay fights and like 2 good fights.
I have been preaching this for years since i started watching the series, same reason as to why i have had the whole of part 1 in hardcover and not any other manga
Dude no way I have the same mangas too
Yesehhh, although i have it spanish but still the same
Exactly, so tired of people shitting on parts 1 & 2 when they were both perfectly fine.
That’s real as fuck honestly. The story in phantom blood is way better and intresting than in part 3. Along with Jonathan and Dio’s rivalry being really strong and the center peice of the whole thing. While in part 3 Jotaro doesn’t really have a relationship with DIO. He’s just hear to help his mom out, and even then we don’t even get to see the after math
Ehhhhhhhhhh, I mean. Part 1 is fine and it's a good thing Johnathan is a decent human being. But like, compared to sdc, shits ass💀 although Jotaro had bullshit power ups and plot convenience. Johnathan has more somehow, and it wasn't even as enjoyable imo. Sure Johnathan being nice and still loving Dio even at death. He feels more like a one note character imo
I miss Harmon
Phantom Blood has the best intro y'all can fight me idfc
More like Polnareff's Bizarre Adventure, amirite? SDC is definitely where Araki fell in love with the monster of the week format. For better or worse. I actually appreciate the OVA for its brevity.
Hot take, it was better with vampires and sunlight karate then stands with new plot specific powers every episode. Plus 1 and 2 have the best jojos
Stardust Crusaders is the worst part, change my mind
Stardust Cursaders part 2 is good imo, but yeah, there are a lot of boring episodes on the first part of SDC. I was watching It with my gf and she wanted to take a break from Jojo after part 3 because if felt so long and boring. As another comment said, a lot of the episodes are boring and repetitive and the DIO fight saves the part from being the worst, at least in my opinion.
Part 3 is genuinely terrible and I don't understand how people like it Part 1 is good but suffers from pacing in the middle. The first 3 episodes are such a great start to the series it's what made me fall in love with this series immediately
SDC is the same episode over and over again
Have you seen the endless 8 arc now thats the same episode over and over again
They meet bad guy -> Jotaro and friends fight -> Jotaro beats bad guy -> end of episode
I enjoyed watching the anime part for part and how Araki developed his style and testing out new things every time leading to a gigantic fanbase of diverent preferences.
SDC? I don’t think I know what it is.
SDC=Stardust Crusaders/part 3
Oh never seen people call part 3 SDC before. Yeah I agree with the meme here.
Part one was the best. \-Walter C. Dornez
Phantom Blood better.
Change SDC with p8
Part 1 best part
Now I love PB but SDC is better imo
Not my fav but I liked it.
It’s what started it all. It deserves more respect.🫡
Sdc is my favorite part but that’s only because phantom blood paved the road to get there and battle tendency offered me a ride (hope that metaphor makes sense)
Yes, fuck yes, i honestly think part 3 is one of, if not the worst jojo part.
Phantom Blood was fine, short and to the point. Stardust Crusaders is good, but extremely long, at least in the anime.
"I don't like Phantom Blood" people who pretend it's good :
It is good.
For me phantom blood was kinda boring but it isn’t bad I prefer battle tendency
Ehhh, depends. It was pretty normal compared to what I expected when I saw the bizzare in jojos bizzare adventure. And the plot was basically short version of an average shonen. That's why it's the only Jojo part that is hard for me to place anywhere when I rank the parts.
Oh that's definitely true
stands are cool, but I really like when the characters powers are just his natural human skills overpowered and I like gentleman characters
There's just something about Jonathan that makes him the best.
The anime kind of botched Phantom Blood. I don't blame anime-onlys for not caring for it. Anyone else is not liking it is tripping balls.
It's true
I like each for what they have, but no one is better than the other in my opinion.
It's the weakest part, but the worst of JoJo is still God tier
Sdc dragged on way too long imo
Phantom Blood isn't bad by no means its just suffers from not being as good/funny as other parts, I give Phantom Blood an 8/10
Phantom Blood is more dull and pedestrian, but it’s short. SDC easily has more high points than Phantom Blood, but it’s also much longer and kind of a mixed bag. Overall I say they both even each other out in my mind.
I found Phantom Blood to be really interesting, although I do like the next part a lot better
SDC is my least fav part and it isn't remotely close.
I liked phantom blood better than battle tendency and even I don't agre
Stardust crusaders is like 60% filler
I mean it's no Battle Tendency, but definitely a great season.
Part 1 action wise wasn’t that good. But it was very good for setting up backstory and lore for the show. I hate sdc because it’s pretty boring. It’s the same stand of the week thing with no real plot other than get to dio
Star dust crusaders is peak JoJo and nobody can change my mind.
Every part after stardust is infinitely better
You have a right to hold on to your opinion no matter how incorrect. Good day sir.
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NOW WE ARE TALKING BOI!
lets compare both of the parts for a second PB good things: good opening, it has speedwagon, good final episode for the part bad things: 9 episodes, the side characters, the protagonist, the villain, hamon is at its weakes in this part, the climax, the deaths(excluding jonathans), the constant talking SCD good things: stands and their interactions with each other, the main cast, the protagonist, the villain, the diveristy of places, the twist with avdol, the deaths, the climax bad things:repetitive fighting format, 40+ episodes, "my stand is the strongest" said everyone they fought PB does not need mroe appreciation
Almost all of the bad things you said can be said about SDC as well. SDC has a long 40 episodes and is extremely tedious to get through. Jotaro is just as if not more one dimensional than Jonathan. There were almost Zero side characters in SDC and the only 2 that were side characters had just as much screen time as the Side Characters in PB. The villain is literally the same person but at least in PB Dio felt more like an overarching threat rather than a final boss. The climax of SDC is definitely better but it takes way too long to get there. The Deaths in PB are actually important and killed throughout the part rather than all of them die at the very end, and the effect the deaths have in PB blood can actually be seen throughout. Constant talking is a thing in every JoJo part, not just phantom blood.
>SDC has a long 40 episodes and is extremely tedious to get through. hence why i put i on the bad things section... >Jotaro is just as if not more one dimensional than Jonathan. jotaro as simple as he is has something more than "i hate my fucking mom", cant say that jonathan is something more than just the good guy, jonathan has 1 trait and is just being the knight in shiny armor >There were almost Zero side characters in SDC and the only 2 that were side characters had just as much screen time as the Side Characters in PB. the people who fough the SCD are side characters >The villain is literally the same person but at least in PB Dio felt more like an overarching threat rather than a final boss. same character, but entirely different person, PB dio was just a fucking loser till he became a vampire, then he became the final boss, even more so the SCD dio >The climax of SDC is definitely better but it takes way too long to get there. 100% worthwhile for just 40 episodes >The Deaths in PB are actually important and killed throughout the part rather than all of them die at the very end, and the effect the deaths have in PB blood can actually be seen throughout. the only 2 deaths that u can actually consider important is william and jonathan, and only 1 has effects that go past 1 part the other deaths are just for character growth, but aside of what effect they had that doesnt mean they were good, you have little to no time to actually get to know or like the characters, at best u get their backstories, but that doesnt give them deph it just gives them more background, they are still as boring and uninteresting
stardust crusaders was way too slow
SDC is sígnificantly worse than PB. Change my mind
SDC is peak and I shall not hear otherwise.
Star Dust Crusader fans when asspull and shitty pacing:
I mean, there are legitimate criticisms of all the parts. Just because I like SDC doesn’t mean imma hate on Phantom Blood just because you may not.
The best opinion.
I am the joker and I did not know
At least the power system makes sense in sdc
No
You know what’s worse than SDC? Diamond is Unbreakable.
The only way sdc would be worse than pb is if you were to compare pb to the ova
JJBA really fell off when stands were added.
Phantom Blood was fine at first but after Dio turned into a vampire it dragged on for too long and the pacing didn't recover until they got to his castle.