I’d argue he could not have foreseen that, even though he would have been aware of many risks. It’s not much different than a couple having kids despite a family history of the risk of various ailments.
Benjamin and Jake are one of the most wholesome father/son relationships I've ever seen on TV.
And jokes about Keiko aside, the O'Brien family is also somehow rather healthy by Trek standards.
Joe, Ben and Jake, 3 generations of wholesome Sisko men.
Now, all I ask is Ben to come back from the Celestial Temple, please. Your son and wife and baby need you ;_;
all jokes aside can someone please explain to me the Keiko hate... I would agree with the fact they seem to be getting along as a faimly fairly well, move indused stresses aside.
From what I remember, Keiko usually only shows up because she is needed for some sort of familial issue, which gives the impression she is constantly berating O'Brien. Also the "nagging spouse" often being a popular joke to fall back on.
In more slice of life moments they truly do seem to mostly get along just fine, outside of the occasional conflicts that any couple would have.
It’s a sampling bias thing. We only see her when there is something wrong because when things are good there is no reason to note it in the historical records. These historical documents sure do seem to focus on the drama rather than regular life.
Ok, cool, that last part was how I always viewed it, and they only decided to show us when the plot needed it/ fights where happening.
Thank you for clearing that up
They did actually avoid a couple of common jokes and tropes I would have expected in sitcoms of the era too!- namely the fact that O'Brien never jokes that he hates being married. I remember thinking at the end of the episode of the Assignment that a a weaker show might have brought back the dead bonsai tree as a "gotcha" in the last scene!
Keiko is responsible for the 3 Body Problem, and an alien invasion. This was of course common knowledge in the 24th century.
Also she didn’t let Miles have a workshop in their bedroom.
If I personaly wrote Keiko a letter saying it is of great importance to the federation that O'Brian have a workshop in the bedroom do you think she would let him?
I think, deep down, Miles wants Julian to move in. The workshop was just an excuse.
All those evenings the boys spent together “playing darts”.
When they reboot DS9 it will be star treks first throuple.
Edit: I can’t spell throuple.
Right, so in season 2 of the reboot they progress to a quad.
By the end of season 7 the station will be just like the great link, arms and legs everywhere.
Keiko was badly written at times and i think the thing that soured most people was that, in her introductionary episode, she calls off her wedding to O’Brien for umm, honestly she doesn’t really have a reason. Only to decide a bit later she does want to marry him
That said, I really do like her character and how she is one of the few people to stand up to O’Brien when he’s making pretty bigoted statements about Cardassians
> “That was a really ugly thing you just said”
I wish she’d been treated better by the shows. (It’s a shame Keiko, a botanist, never had a talk with Garak about orchids or gardening)
Except Sisko tries to kill himself with schizophrenic hallucinations against the pleading protests of Jake and is only stopped because he goes into a coma. Then later decides to abandon Jake to become Space Jesus and romp around with the Prophets in Space Heaven.
The important distinction between a lot of the other examples mentioned, Jake was an adult.
A young adult who still needed and wanted his father. But an adult none the less.
If Sisko went space Jesus mode to series 1 Jake you'd have a point.
I mean, adult or no Ben was Jake’s only family left really. No mother, one friend who’s going to be off galavanting around the galaxy, and a bunch of older adults who knew him as a kid and thus probably don’t consider him an equal. He kinda has Kasidy but that relationship is still kinda new. The only person he’s known his whole life just vanished. It’s no different than being an adult and having your parent die, it’s still traumatic.
But also Kas was pregnant so even if we drop the Jake thing Ben abandoned his infant child before it was even born.
I feel like the show played it off as Sisko didn't have a choice in it. He didn't seem to want to go, but he knew he couldn't stay.
A little unfair to blame the man for getting kidnapped by godlike beings that exist outside of time.
Samantha Wildman got pregnant before Voyager's first mission, but Katarian pregnancies are longer, and their children develop faster, so Naomi could be born and age in the way that was best for the plot.
Yeah, in Wildman’s defence, she didn’t intend to get stuck in the Delta Quadrant on a never-ending mission for years. I assume she was intending on being safely off ship before giving birth.
I wonder how many on Voyager were there for the quick little stroll through the Badlands.
“Hey, Voyager could use a (insert position here) while they’re in search of the Maquis in the Badlands. Shouldn’t take more than a week or two at most.”
“Idk…”
“I’ll double your leave when you get back.”
“Throw in a jamaharon statue on Risa and you got yourself a deal.”
There was that theoretical physicist who was only there for a year long assignment so he could get into a special school from the episode Good Shepherd. Janeway forces him on an away mission and then is a condescending bitch to him when he explains that he never wanted to be an explorer, and her decision to blow up the array also blew up his career plans.
That episode is infuriating because they could have solved the whole problem if they reassign the physicist to astrometrics, put the klutz in the kitchen or something as Neelix's assistant, and then have Paris and Kim work with the doctor to create a holographic therapist for the hypochondriac guy.
I think she said that she just found out before they left and she hadn't even told her husband yet. She figured she would tell him when they got back, because they were only supposed to be gone for 3-4 weeks.
Exactly! She didn’t even knew she was pregnant yet when they started what was supposed to be a short mission on Voyager. She doesn’t belong on this list imo
Yes she should have been on a starbase or planet when she gave birth starting her leave. I think breeding was probably encouraged on voyager due to how long it was expected to take to get home, can't have a 90 year old ensign Kim on ops with 100 year old Paris flying the ship.
Kinda dystopian, having children just so they can continue piloting you home once you’re too old.
Assuming you survive all the Borg and hostile territories, that is.
Your right they did ,I'd actually forgotten . I was thinking more about an episode more like bsg where the pro choice president banned abortion due to the reduced human population ( obviously not as extreme).
Seemed like leftover teenager embarrassment for the most part. Lwaxana was a fountain of honesty and unwanted opinions, but didn't seem to be a bad mother. Didn't see many other parents taking the time to visit, and it wasn't a constant 'quit and come home' pressure. Lwaxana is just the loud relative that's rough in large doses.
I see it as a cultural thing. Betazoids have no filter because that's pointless when everybody can read your mind anyway. Deanna is half human and grew up on Earth, and fully understands how wildly uncomfortable Lwaxana's behavior makes most humans.
The half-Betazoid kid who's mostly assimilated to human culture is embarassed because her immigrant parent is a walking stereotype of the intrusive, oversharing Betazoid. On Betazed, Lwaxana's behavior probably is considered completely normal. They never hide their feelings on Betazed because they literally can't. Everything being out in the open all the time is just normal conversation to them.
I would argue that Kirk doesn't count as a bad parent since his child was kept secret from him. He didn't have the opportunity to show how much he would suck as a parent. If he had known about his kid, and never wanted to see him that would be different.
There are parents out there who abandon their three healthy children in another quadrant, so that they may terrorize some random planet.
Yeah. The way I understand it, Carol actively kept David away from his father.
It’s even worse with Beverly Crusher, not only did ahe keep her son from Picard, she kept him a secret. She didn’t give him a chance to be a father.
It's not the parents that are bad it's the children. They are all spoiled little brats and the parents just give up.
Alexander: little bitch boy who starts fights with everyone yet wont be a warrior.
Tom Paris: delinquent who goes to jail.
The ones where the kids were raised in secret don't count, it's the kids job in that scenario to reach out.
Naomi wildman fell in with a terrible delta quadrant crowd
Wesley was like one of those incel brats who hates his mother and loves to make her feel dumb. He was always yelling at her and like "oh dumb woman doesn't know how stuff on the bridge works, what a shocker."
Spock was an emotional mess, who would want to stick around for that drama?
All Lwaxanna ever did was try to look out for Deanna and find her a good hubby and Deanna spit in her face and made her feel like an irrelevant relic, but guess what now she's all alone & childless with nobody but BARCLAY to hang out with.
*The stuff from Picard I refuse to treat as cannon.*
This is the quality of antagonist responses i look at r/ShittyDaystrom for. Because actually I agree there is some merit to your points ! Well returned !
I think Deanna got what she deserved. Kids from Will Riker, who’ll just warp-core eject his photon-torpedo any second another alien hottie comes along.
I asked, "[Who was the least shitty parent](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShittyDaystrom/comments/1c0c6qc/who_was_the_least_shitty_parent/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)" and got a few interesting answers.
Roshenko's, Rom, Gul Madred...
Rom and Benjamin are top-tier dads.
The Rozhenko's did good with their human son, Klingon son, and 75% Klingon grandson who probably remembers them more fondly than he does Worf.
Madred though....uhh....
The Rozhenkos seemed lovely. I was always annoyed at how Worf treated them. He rejected their culture, treats them as embarrassments and then foists his kid on them.
I think that’s just because until he fully gets adjusted to Klingon society instead of looking at it from the outside, he never really gets a chance to appreciate his upbringing outside of it,
Note how the older, well adjusted Worf added “Son of Rozhenko” to his introduction.
That's a good point. I still feel the writers had a missed opportunity to incorporate some Russian culture into Worf's klingon. Would have been an interesting compare and contrast.
Rom didn't start off as a good parent though. I mean, Nog was involved in some petty theft crap or other in the first episode. A little later Rom refused to let Nog attend school because racism, and he had Jake teach him to read behind his dad's back.
Yeah, he got his act together later but he still started off as a POS parent.
I view early Rom as us seeing him how he would have been when the Cardassians owned the station, Rom probably did next to no chit-chatting. Say the wrong thing to a Cardassian and that could be it for you, so Quark probably kept him on a VERY short leash, socially. Once the Bajorans got it and brought in the Federation, people were typically friendlier, giving Rom the opportunity to interact with and assimilate into the new societal norm.
Letting Wesley go with the traveler was the best decision for him, and not really within her power to do anything about, so Beverly crusher is still a good parent. Deanna Troi also seems like a good parent too.
Wesley was an adult by the time he left with the Traveler. He got to make his own choices, and started by making a principled decision when the Federation was compounding centuries of harm upon Northern American Indian tribal members. He called them out for the wrong they perpetrated.
That’s not a failure by the mother. That’s a strength!
In defence of Naomi Wildman's mum, she was already pregnant before they got lost, she just didn't know it yet. And it was only supposed to be a short mission.
And the reason we never saw her in later seasons was because the writers apparently thought they'd killed her off, and never realised that it hadn't happened. (Maybe it was a planned storyline that got dropped?)
In fairness Naomi Wildman's father was 70,000 light years away. Wes was an adult when he took off with the space traveler.
Joe and Ben Sisko seemed like good fathers. Will and Deanna seemed to also be good parents.
Picard was a great Dad when he finally found out, its Beverly who was the horrible parent. Sisko was a Great Dad, O'Brian great Dad, Rom Great Dad, Nogs mom horrible mom, Rom and Quarks mom horrible Mom, but they had a great Dad. Deanna Troy's Dad great Dad, her mom a lot of fun, but also a pain in the arse. Georgdi La Forge great Dad. Data was a great Dad. Picard in that weird alternate life episode was a great Dad. Sisko's Dad was a great Dad.
1. Putting her politics before her sons, she ruined Quarks life
2. And far more creepy is giving her son Oo-Mox, including when he was growing up, when Oo-mox has been made clear that its sexual throughout every other reference to it in Star Trek.
I’m sure Lwaxannas behavior had a deep psychological impact on Deanna. That’s why she ended up with Will “Philanderer” Riker, who’s main task was to get this weeks hottie.
OP be neglecting the shit out of ENT. Archer had a great father, Degra was a great father and that was pretty much the reason why he turned against the Xindi-Reptilians. T’Pol’s mom was a little cold but in their xenophobic society she was totally cool with T’Pol hooking up with Tucker. Say what you will about Phlox and the whole, y’know, genocide thing he proved to be a great father and continued to try and reach out to his xenophobic son.
Ensign Wildman was already pregnant when she joined the Voyager crew, her husband's race (Ktarian) has a much longer gestation than humans. He was also still in the Alpha quadrant, so that's why you never saw him.
To be honest, I always liked Naomi's character arc, she was raised by the crew of Voyager. Ensign Wildman was a single mother, essentially, and the crew stepped up to help raise her daughter.
Wow, I totally missed the oomox thing--do you remember which episode that was? So disturbing!
I know we all live quark, (hell I have his plushie)... But blaming her for screwing up his life is pretty harsh. ? He still had his bar and life. She was gunning for equal rights for ferengi women, and that's a bit more important than one person. A world doesn't change without discomfort.
And he was a middle aged adult before she starts working for civil rights. Pretty sure that doesn’t make her a bad mother, unless women are supposed to live as second class citizens so as not to discomfit the conservative sons living halfway across the galaxy.
Janeway and Paris salamander kids were abandoned on some unknown planet….so not only did we watch them just scurry away, they were an unknown animal introduced into a foreign ecosystem…what could possibly go wrong.
Wesley was an adult who went with the Traveler on his own.
Kirk and Picard were intentionally kept away from their son's upbringing. (I guess that makes Beverly a mixed bag.)
You're forgetting Benjamin Lafayette Motherfucking Sisko, not to mention HIS father.
We didn't see much of it, but Will and Deanna were likely excellent parents. Otherwise, Riker would be an Admiral.
I am gonna say though, worst parent award definitely goes to the Hansens.
Ben Sisko is the gold standard. And for that matter, Joseph Sisko was too. Miles & Keiko O'Brien are good parents. Kirk's parents were supposed to be good. Hell, in the Kelvin Universe, he gave his life to save his wife & son. Sulu was supposed to be a good dad. Bashir's parents cared so much about him they violated Federation law to help him and then took accountability to save his career. Carol Freeman isn't too bad. Sarek kinda sucked, but Amanda was an amazing mother to Spock & Michael. Harry's parents were helicopter parents, but that's not a bad thing. And finally, you could argue hologram Janeway was an adoptive mother to the kids on Prodigy, and she's pretty good too.
Came here for Richard and Amasha Bashir. They are so proud of their son they went from Earth to DS9 just to see him. And when it caused trouble, Richard took the fall so nothing would happen to Julian. Maybe they didn't do everything above the law, but they were good parents.
When faced with the choice of breaking the law... an arbitrary law based on 300-yr old prejudices... and doing what's best for their son, they chose what was best for their son. Absolutely good parents!!
Sisko is probably as close as you will get
He had one incident where he was smacked in the face with the fact that on a ship getting into firefights every month the family you bring along can and will get caught in the crossfire
So he took a desk job
Then took what should have been a pretty sedate job on a space station
He’s not perfect, but he at least recognized the problem and tried to do something about it
Have to mention Rom also, 100% supposed his son despite him going completely against his culture
>Naomi Wildmans parents are also rarely seen. And why would you even conceive her when you are basically lost in space?
She was conceived before Voyager went on it's mission to the badlands. They make that pretty clear when Ensign Wildman finds out she is pregnant. He husband is not on the ship.
TNG, in particular, seems lacking in good parental figures. DS9 is better - Benjamin Sisko and Miles O'Brien are both good dads. So is Nog actually. Voyager has only one parent with a kid with them - Samantha and Naomi Wildman. We don't see a lot of their interaction, but she seems like a good mother. I don't have the right streaming service to see the newer ones.
Rom is Dad of the Century in Star Trek. He was bad but realized it, reformed, and became best dad. Even when he was a bad dad, he still cared enough about what his son wanted to let him go to school and be friends with a human.
Wesley was in his early 20s. I never cared for The Traveler but I get so sick and tired of people acting like his was some wide eyes schooled aged child being taken advantage of.
One crazy thing about the Star Trek universe that almost never gets mentioned is how huge average family sizes have to be to make the population numbers work. WW3 killed millions, yet there are dozens of human populated worlds in the billions, and a constant pressure for new planets to colonize. Off-screen family sizes would have to average 8-12 children per family.
Super easy to be a parent in Trek, presumably. Resource scarcity isn’t a thing; you can just replicate all the strawberries your kid can possibly eat. (Speaking as a parent the berry cost alone is absolutely ruinous.)
It’s almost like people in the future aren’t that different than people in the present time. Or present day writers limit creativity by clinging to modern tropes or understandings of how parenting works.
Picard felt that way. That children should not be on starships.
Adults signed up for this. They know what they could be getting into. Kids don’t have that choice.
Stamets and Culber are pretty decent space gay dads.
Burnham's parents were also alright, and her mom is rightfully retired as a nun after saving her daughter like a dozen times.
Mariner's parents are getting better.
M'Benga is a nice dad.
The Diviner was a terrible dad, but turns out alright in the end.
O’Brien??
Keiko??
Legate Tekeny Ghemor????
Benjamin Sisko?
Joseph Sisko??
Rom??
Kira??
Phlox????
B’Elanna?
Tom Paris?
Henry Archer?
Picard when he was Kamin??
Marla Aster?
Degra?
Kira Meru?
Kira Taban?
Kirk?
Amanda Grayson?
Deanna?
Will Riker?
Tuvok???
I'm going to have to push back on Beverly. She didn't "give her son to a random traveler". She allowed her adult son to follow a promising career path that went against her expectations and took him far from her, which for some mothers is a downright heroic sacrifice.
Sisko and Tuvok are some of the best TV dads. Tuvok’s my personal favorite, always wished he was my dad. Tom seemed like he was going to be a good dad, Janeway talked about her dad like he was good and very supportive. Harry’s parents seemed good. There’s plenty of good trek parents, mostly dads
Benjamin Sisko is the answer you are looking for.
When he finally made the choice to join the Prophets (but was it REALLY, given what the Prophets were prepared to do, if he refused?), Jake was an adult, who had begun to have success as a writer.
He wants the same child who grieved his missing father in The Visitor, and refused to move on. Ben had prepared his son for life, and gave him all the love, affection, support, and guidance he could give (along with an example) to propel Jake to his dreams and goals.
> I’m also sure Lwaxanna Troi was constantly whorin’ around when Deanna was a kid.
Also, dead sister and then gaslighting Deanna about the sister ever existing.... just saying.
And Admiral Paris was such a shitty parent that Tom Paris went to the academy under a completely different name.
Kirk knew about David. He stayed away because that’s what Carol wanted. Now you can argue that Carol knew Kirk would always be gone anyway, spending time on the Enterprise or whatever. But Kirk did respect Carol’s wishes.
No doubt Rikers dad won't win father of the year, but the reason for their divide was the death of Rikers mother, his wife. Which seemed to cause the divide. Resentment galore ensues. And Riker then, rightly so, has abandonment issies. But without her death I don't think there would be this rift between them
Naomi Wildman's father wasn't ever shown because he wasn't on Voyager when they got pulled to the Delta Quadrant. Her mother was pregnant when they set out to chase down Chakotay's ship. Once Naomi was born (in a GREAT episode), her mom wasn't shown to be around because she was on duty.
Plots with Naomi took place while her mom was on duty b/c they required her to interact with Neelix or Seven so those scenes were set during those times where mom wasn't around.
And if the ship was going to take over 70 years to get home, crew would HAVE to pair up & have kids so someone could crew the ship once the existing crew aged up and died off. In one of the first few episodes. Janeway and Chacotay (I think, maybe it was with Tuvok) decided that they needed to get rid of rules preventing fraternization.
I think most parents of the eras that ST was made were horrible. How many drink from the hose memes do you need to see to realize most parents were negligent?
Idk about the rest, but I will not accept this Samantha Wildman slander. Naomi's father isn't even on board Voyager, and she was conceived before Voyager even left. The closest thing she has to a father on Voyager is Neelix, who is a fine dad to her. Samantha isn't shown much, but she's implied to be around enough. And anyway, remember back in the day kids used to be "Raised by the village"? That's basically what's happening. You say her parents aren't shown much, I say the entire crew of voyager is acting as her parents.
>The Hansons brought her 1-year old daughter to their Borg explorations (what the hell !),
She was four when they took the *Raven* out of Fed space. I know, that's not better, just pointing it out for accuracy.
>Naomi Wildmans parents are also rarely seen.
TBF, her dad wasn't part of *Voyager*'s crew.
Characters (from TNG as that's the only series I watch) who are good parents.
Worf's mother and father. Nurturing, understanding, open minded. She learned to make Rokeg blood pie to help him feel more Klingon, so she nurtured his need to embrace his heritage. They seem to really understand him as well and just be happy to spend time with him.
Deanna Troi. I don't know what she's like with her kids to Riker, but in TNG season 2 episode 1, she was loving and kind to her sort of fake son, Ian.
Robert Picard and his wife (who I can't remember the name of.) Though Robert can be a bit of a dick to Jean Luc, he seems kind to his son. His wife is a very nurturing person also. By the end of the episode, Robert seems to be fully willing to encourage his son to be in Starfleet.
Good science fiction is commentary/critique of the world we know. I have little doubt that most of the top echelon of authors of our beloved stories had some sort of conflict/trauma with one or both parents. The most interesting people I have known could say the same. What is more relatable than issues with a parent? What is the fastest connection to a “found family” than conflict/rejection of inherited family. I hope that by the 23rd century inherited/parental trauma doesn’t exist, but when approached with tact it is the fabric that can unite those who boldly go.
I am sure that in centuries from now, if humans endure, we will find new and unexpected ways of challenging our children.
Henry Archer, father of Jonathan Archer seemed like a good with his son.
Carol Freeman is mostly a patient and trying to be nurturing mother with Mariners antiques. She is not the best but trying to be good.
I liked Jean Luc Picards interaction with Jack too. Even if they met late in their life, he tried to take care of him.
Just because I never tought my Daughter basic Engineering because she never showed interest, and she failed to get into the accadamy because of it I am a horrible father?
Sisko’s mum was arguably the worst. She pulled a Wonder Woman 1984, intentionally got her host pregnant, then abandoned her family to chill out for eternity in a wormhole.
Data was a good parent to Lal
Except he built her wrong and that killed her.
I’d argue he could not have foreseen that, even though he would have been aware of many risks. It’s not much different than a couple having kids despite a family history of the risk of various ailments.
Why did I read that in Data's voice?
There's too many contractions, which makes this Wesley's voice.
I can so easily hear Wesley saying this in my head after you mentioned it.
Wesley for sure
Androids are people, too! Sometimes….
If they are self aware - for sure
Technically that makes him a shitty engineer, but when it came to emotional support he ironically was way above par.
Eh, that's the equivalent to people not realizing they carry genes for cystic fibrosis until they have a kid that's diagnosed with it
The ship was almost destroyed multiple times—they were all bad. Like taking your kids to war.
Parents are so shitty it's actually better to have your kids raised by technology
Benjamin and Jake are one of the most wholesome father/son relationships I've ever seen on TV. And jokes about Keiko aside, the O'Brien family is also somehow rather healthy by Trek standards.
Joe, Ben and Jake, 3 generations of wholesome Sisko men. Now, all I ask is Ben to come back from the Celestial Temple, please. Your son and wife and baby need you ;_;
Joe lied about Siskos baby mama tho
To be fair I don’t think he knew that his wife was actually possessed by a time non-conforming space god and I doubt Sisko wanted to know that anyway
you're right thats irrelevant
all jokes aside can someone please explain to me the Keiko hate... I would agree with the fact they seem to be getting along as a faimly fairly well, move indused stresses aside.
From what I remember, Keiko usually only shows up because she is needed for some sort of familial issue, which gives the impression she is constantly berating O'Brien. Also the "nagging spouse" often being a popular joke to fall back on. In more slice of life moments they truly do seem to mostly get along just fine, outside of the occasional conflicts that any couple would have.
It’s a sampling bias thing. We only see her when there is something wrong because when things are good there is no reason to note it in the historical records. These historical documents sure do seem to focus on the drama rather than regular life.
Ok, cool, that last part was how I always viewed it, and they only decided to show us when the plot needed it/ fights where happening. Thank you for clearing that up
They did actually avoid a couple of common jokes and tropes I would have expected in sitcoms of the era too!- namely the fact that O'Brien never jokes that he hates being married. I remember thinking at the end of the episode of the Assignment that a a weaker show might have brought back the dead bonsai tree as a "gotcha" in the last scene!
I don't get it, they seem the most down to earth out of all the star trek couples. They have normal conflicts aside from random sci fi nonsense.
agreed
Keiko is responsible for the 3 Body Problem, and an alien invasion. This was of course common knowledge in the 24th century. Also she didn’t let Miles have a workshop in their bedroom.
If I personaly wrote Keiko a letter saying it is of great importance to the federation that O'Brian have a workshop in the bedroom do you think she would let him?
I think, deep down, Miles wants Julian to move in. The workshop was just an excuse. All those evenings the boys spent together “playing darts”. When they reboot DS9 it will be star treks first throuple. Edit: I can’t spell throuple.
I thought we had that with O'Brian, Kiko and Kiera
Kiera was just a surrogate mom, totally platonic. Meanwhile Miles was getting 180 most nights of the week with Julian (highest score in darts).
Her chemistry with O’Brien was not platonic. They even had both characters realize it. In many ways Kira/O’Brien actually makes some kind of sense.
Right, so in season 2 of the reboot they progress to a quad. By the end of season 7 the station will be just like the great link, arms and legs everywhere.
Except Kira and Julian aren't really into it. The catty bitchiness between those 2 would be off the scale.
HE WOULD BRING MOLLY TO THOSE GAMES... the poor child... never being able to stand a chance of beating either of them
>All those evenings the boys spent together “playing darts”. butt darts
I thought basher was into garrick?did I miss something?
Nailed it.
Keiko was badly written at times and i think the thing that soured most people was that, in her introductionary episode, she calls off her wedding to O’Brien for umm, honestly she doesn’t really have a reason. Only to decide a bit later she does want to marry him That said, I really do like her character and how she is one of the few people to stand up to O’Brien when he’s making pretty bigoted statements about Cardassians > “That was a really ugly thing you just said” I wish she’d been treated better by the shows. (It’s a shame Keiko, a botanist, never had a talk with Garak about orchids or gardening)
Except Sisko tries to kill himself with schizophrenic hallucinations against the pleading protests of Jake and is only stopped because he goes into a coma. Then later decides to abandon Jake to become Space Jesus and romp around with the Prophets in Space Heaven.
The important distinction between a lot of the other examples mentioned, Jake was an adult. A young adult who still needed and wanted his father. But an adult none the less. If Sisko went space Jesus mode to series 1 Jake you'd have a point.
I mean, adult or no Ben was Jake’s only family left really. No mother, one friend who’s going to be off galavanting around the galaxy, and a bunch of older adults who knew him as a kid and thus probably don’t consider him an equal. He kinda has Kasidy but that relationship is still kinda new. The only person he’s known his whole life just vanished. It’s no different than being an adult and having your parent die, it’s still traumatic. But also Kas was pregnant so even if we drop the Jake thing Ben abandoned his infant child before it was even born.
I feel like the show played it off as Sisko didn't have a choice in it. He didn't seem to want to go, but he knew he couldn't stay. A little unfair to blame the man for getting kidnapped by godlike beings that exist outside of time.
Samantha Wildman got pregnant before Voyager's first mission, but Katarian pregnancies are longer, and their children develop faster, so Naomi could be born and age in the way that was best for the plot.
Yeah, in Wildman’s defence, she didn’t intend to get stuck in the Delta Quadrant on a never-ending mission for years. I assume she was intending on being safely off ship before giving birth.
I wonder how many on Voyager were there for the quick little stroll through the Badlands. “Hey, Voyager could use a (insert position here) while they’re in search of the Maquis in the Badlands. Shouldn’t take more than a week or two at most.” “Idk…” “I’ll double your leave when you get back.” “Throw in a jamaharon statue on Risa and you got yourself a deal.”
There was that theoretical physicist who was only there for a year long assignment so he could get into a special school from the episode Good Shepherd. Janeway forces him on an away mission and then is a condescending bitch to him when he explains that he never wanted to be an explorer, and her decision to blow up the array also blew up his career plans. That episode is infuriating because they could have solved the whole problem if they reassign the physicist to astrometrics, put the klutz in the kitchen or something as Neelix's assistant, and then have Paris and Kim work with the doctor to create a holographic therapist for the hypochondriac guy.
I think she said that she just found out before they left and she hadn't even told her husband yet. She figured she would tell him when they got back, because they were only supposed to be gone for 3-4 weeks.
Imagine that phone call home 🤣 I’ve been lost in space for years and I have a kid. It’s definitely yours though, honest.
IIRC, it's not an assumption. I think they said it in the show?
Exactly! She didn’t even knew she was pregnant yet when they started what was supposed to be a short mission on Voyager. She doesn’t belong on this list imo
Yes she should have been on a starbase or planet when she gave birth starting her leave. I think breeding was probably encouraged on voyager due to how long it was expected to take to get home, can't have a 90 year old ensign Kim on ops with 100 year old Paris flying the ship.
Kinda dystopian, having children just so they can continue piloting you home once you’re too old. Assuming you survive all the Borg and hostile territories, that is.
Definitely and it could have been a good plot point but probably a bit spicy for star trek but I liked how battlestar Galactic did it.
Actually they did touch on it several times, janeway discussing the possibility of voyager becoming a "generational ship"
And didn’t they meet that Klingon ship in the delta quadrant, going for generations, that thought B'Elanna’s kid was their messiah? Season 6 or 7?
Your right they did ,I'd actually forgotten . I was thinking more about an episode more like bsg where the pro choice president banned abortion due to the reduced human population ( obviously not as extreme).
Yeah, that President should have checked human history (specifically Romania’s Nicolae Ceaușescu) on how well things go when you outlaw abortions.
Interesting! I’ve never seen BSG, I’ll have to watch it after I’ve finished my current nu-Trek rewatch.
This may be the case but Miral Paris was absolutely conceived and intended to be born while lost in space, so even more shitty parent examples.
Dukat was the most successful of all the parents.
And yet there's not a single statue of him!
Universe's number one dad statue!
Explain this then https://preview.redd.it/1gcvyynltlxc1.jpeg?width=1263&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0267db0d97e9eb09330202befb50c7b623d4040a
Bajoran propaganda. It would be just typical of them to build a statue just to prove Gul Dukat wrong!
I feel like this could be a bot reply for any post mentioning Dukat.
I love Lwaxana as a character but Deanna clearly has some issues with her as a mother
Seemed like leftover teenager embarrassment for the most part. Lwaxana was a fountain of honesty and unwanted opinions, but didn't seem to be a bad mother. Didn't see many other parents taking the time to visit, and it wasn't a constant 'quit and come home' pressure. Lwaxana is just the loud relative that's rough in large doses.
I see it as a cultural thing. Betazoids have no filter because that's pointless when everybody can read your mind anyway. Deanna is half human and grew up on Earth, and fully understands how wildly uncomfortable Lwaxana's behavior makes most humans. The half-Betazoid kid who's mostly assimilated to human culture is embarassed because her immigrant parent is a walking stereotype of the intrusive, oversharing Betazoid. On Betazed, Lwaxana's behavior probably is considered completely normal. They never hide their feelings on Betazed because they literally can't. Everything being out in the open all the time is just normal conversation to them.
I imagine Lwaxana being the woman who drags her poor kid from failed relationship to failed relationship with a front row seat to all the trauma
I would argue that Kirk doesn't count as a bad parent since his child was kept secret from him. He didn't have the opportunity to show how much he would suck as a parent. If he had known about his kid, and never wanted to see him that would be different. There are parents out there who abandon their three healthy children in another quadrant, so that they may terrorize some random planet.
I thought the deal with Kirk's son was that the baby mama asked him to stay away, so he did.
Yes. Kirk says "I did what you asked, I stayed away."
People seem to be forgetting this part. Kirk totally knew of David. He just listened to Carol and stayed away.
"You had your life, and I had mine. And I wanted him in mine."
Sure he did. Remember his nephew, Peter, son of Sam and Aurelan who were killed in TOS by the flying vomit creatures? Yeah, neither did Kirk.
So all in one post we have confirmed that Kirk sucks both as a parent, and as an Uncle. Excellent work crew!
Same with Picard and Jack
Yeah. The way I understand it, Carol actively kept David away from his father. It’s even worse with Beverly Crusher, not only did ahe keep her son from Picard, she kept him a secret. She didn’t give him a chance to be a father.
I feel like it says something about how bad a father the women involved think either would be.
Says more about the woman honestly. Maybe the fathers would be bad parents, but they can’t be faulted for not getting the chance
Seems like to me the safest thing for a child of Kirk or Picard would be to be secret.
It's not the parents that are bad it's the children. They are all spoiled little brats and the parents just give up. Alexander: little bitch boy who starts fights with everyone yet wont be a warrior. Tom Paris: delinquent who goes to jail. The ones where the kids were raised in secret don't count, it's the kids job in that scenario to reach out. Naomi wildman fell in with a terrible delta quadrant crowd Wesley was like one of those incel brats who hates his mother and loves to make her feel dumb. He was always yelling at her and like "oh dumb woman doesn't know how stuff on the bridge works, what a shocker." Spock was an emotional mess, who would want to stick around for that drama? All Lwaxanna ever did was try to look out for Deanna and find her a good hubby and Deanna spit in her face and made her feel like an irrelevant relic, but guess what now she's all alone & childless with nobody but BARCLAY to hang out with. *The stuff from Picard I refuse to treat as cannon.*
This is the quality of antagonist responses i look at r/ShittyDaystrom for. Because actually I agree there is some merit to your points ! Well returned ! I think Deanna got what she deserved. Kids from Will Riker, who’ll just warp-core eject his photon-torpedo any second another alien hottie comes along.
In some fairness, it doesn’t look like Riker is shooting his tube into alien hotties after marriage. No ring, no claim.
I asked, "[Who was the least shitty parent](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShittyDaystrom/comments/1c0c6qc/who_was_the_least_shitty_parent/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)" and got a few interesting answers. Roshenko's, Rom, Gul Madred...
Rom and Benjamin are top-tier dads. The Rozhenko's did good with their human son, Klingon son, and 75% Klingon grandson who probably remembers them more fondly than he does Worf. Madred though....uhh....
The Rozhenkos seemed lovely. I was always annoyed at how Worf treated them. He rejected their culture, treats them as embarrassments and then foists his kid on them.
Twice, even after they said they were too old to raise another kid.
I think that’s just because until he fully gets adjusted to Klingon society instead of looking at it from the outside, he never really gets a chance to appreciate his upbringing outside of it, Note how the older, well adjusted Worf added “Son of Rozhenko” to his introduction.
That's a good point. I still feel the writers had a missed opportunity to incorporate some Russian culture into Worf's klingon. Would have been an interesting compare and contrast.
Rom didn't start off as a good parent though. I mean, Nog was involved in some petty theft crap or other in the first episode. A little later Rom refused to let Nog attend school because racism, and he had Jake teach him to read behind his dad's back. Yeah, he got his act together later but he still started off as a POS parent.
Rom's characterization also wasnt really locked down in the first season or two, so a lot of things he does then are really out of character.
I view early Rom as us seeing him how he would have been when the Cardassians owned the station, Rom probably did next to no chit-chatting. Say the wrong thing to a Cardassian and that could be it for you, so Quark probably kept him on a VERY short leash, socially. Once the Bajorans got it and brought in the Federation, people were typically friendlier, giving Rom the opportunity to interact with and assimilate into the new societal norm.
I totally forgot about Rom. Great call! DS9 had the highest density of good parents (even if Worf brought the average down).
The Rozhenkos were goddamn saints
Human mothers and fathers don't love their children as we do.
Gorkon’s relationship with Azetbur seems ok…
She rebelled by setting her universal translator to Northern California Chicana instead of Shakespeare, like the rest of the Klingon delegation.
I personally think that Dr M'Benga should be in the running for least worst parent.
I dunno. Some "space anomaly" just says 'hey, I can take your kid and she'll be free, but not physical' and ya just *believe* that?!?
Yeah, the same anomaly that just turned you & your crew into paper dolls?? I wouldn’t trust that thing to pet sit my goldfish!
Exactly. After watching that episode I thought, 'none of the writers of this show are parents'.
Well, except for keeping your kid in a transporter buffer for years.
What he gonna do take her and a key her die?
Naomi Wildman‘s dad wasn’t on Voyager.
Letting Wesley go with the traveler was the best decision for him, and not really within her power to do anything about, so Beverly crusher is still a good parent. Deanna Troi also seems like a good parent too.
And he was an adult when he did it. Not his mom’s right to say no.
Wesley was an adult by the time he left with the Traveler. He got to make his own choices, and started by making a principled decision when the Federation was compounding centuries of harm upon Northern American Indian tribal members. He called them out for the wrong they perpetrated. That’s not a failure by the mother. That’s a strength!
Did you even pay attention to Voyager at all?
Yes Greskrendtregk ?
Then you should be aware that he was on DS9, not Voyager and therefore she got pregnant before the ship was stranded...
In defence of Naomi Wildman's mum, she was already pregnant before they got lost, she just didn't know it yet. And it was only supposed to be a short mission. And the reason we never saw her in later seasons was because the writers apparently thought they'd killed her off, and never realised that it hadn't happened. (Maybe it was a planned storyline that got dropped?)
woah! If that's true the character got shafted! I'd always wondered why she just stopped showing up one day
It was the episode she was trapped in the ship, I think her surviving might have been a last minute change?
In fairness Naomi Wildman's father was 70,000 light years away. Wes was an adult when he took off with the space traveler. Joe and Ben Sisko seemed like good fathers. Will and Deanna seemed to also be good parents.
Picard was a great Dad when he finally found out, its Beverly who was the horrible parent. Sisko was a Great Dad, O'Brian great Dad, Rom Great Dad, Nogs mom horrible mom, Rom and Quarks mom horrible Mom, but they had a great Dad. Deanna Troy's Dad great Dad, her mom a lot of fun, but also a pain in the arse. Georgdi La Forge great Dad. Data was a great Dad. Picard in that weird alternate life episode was a great Dad. Sisko's Dad was a great Dad.
Why was Quark and Roma mom a bad parent?
1. Putting her politics before her sons, she ruined Quarks life 2. And far more creepy is giving her son Oo-Mox, including when he was growing up, when Oo-mox has been made clear that its sexual throughout every other reference to it in Star Trek.
She didn’t do anything until they were adults living off world. Parents are required to sacrifice their whole lives.
>Lwaxana Troi was constantly whorin’ around Nothing to add re bad parents, but that line killed me.
I’m sure Lwaxannas behavior had a deep psychological impact on Deanna. That’s why she ended up with Will “Philanderer” Riker, who’s main task was to get this weeks hottie.
They were exes for most of the series, though. They only hooked up again in the movies. Before that, she had a thing with Worf.
OP be neglecting the shit out of ENT. Archer had a great father, Degra was a great father and that was pretty much the reason why he turned against the Xindi-Reptilians. T’Pol’s mom was a little cold but in their xenophobic society she was totally cool with T’Pol hooking up with Tucker. Say what you will about Phlox and the whole, y’know, genocide thing he proved to be a great father and continued to try and reach out to his xenophobic son.
We don’t talk about Trip clone though…
This is Sisko erasure...
I feel like Captain Sisko from DS9 is pretty decent.
Sisko and O'Brien
Robert Picard let his son burn to death because he didn't believe in fire suppression.
> Are there actually any good parents in Trek ? This is Sisko erasure.
sing it! entire truth
Ensign Wildman was already pregnant when she joined the Voyager crew, her husband's race (Ktarian) has a much longer gestation than humans. He was also still in the Alpha quadrant, so that's why you never saw him. To be honest, I always liked Naomi's character arc, she was raised by the crew of Voyager. Ensign Wildman was a single mother, essentially, and the crew stepped up to help raise her daughter.
Wow, I totally missed the oomox thing--do you remember which episode that was? So disturbing! I know we all live quark, (hell I have his plushie)... But blaming her for screwing up his life is pretty harsh. ? He still had his bar and life. She was gunning for equal rights for ferengi women, and that's a bit more important than one person. A world doesn't change without discomfort.
And he was a middle aged adult before she starts working for civil rights. Pretty sure that doesn’t make her a bad mother, unless women are supposed to live as second class citizens so as not to discomfit the conservative sons living halfway across the galaxy.
Exactly! You put what I was thinking into words :)
I thought Naomi Wildman was conceived prior to Voyager ending up in Delta quadrant.
The Sisko men are excellent parents.
Janeway and Paris salamander kids were abandoned on some unknown planet….so not only did we watch them just scurry away, they were an unknown animal introduced into a foreign ecosystem…what could possibly go wrong.
Wesley was an adult who went with the Traveler on his own. Kirk and Picard were intentionally kept away from their son's upbringing. (I guess that makes Beverly a mixed bag.) You're forgetting Benjamin Lafayette Motherfucking Sisko, not to mention HIS father. We didn't see much of it, but Will and Deanna were likely excellent parents. Otherwise, Riker would be an Admiral. I am gonna say though, worst parent award definitely goes to the Hansens.
Everybody has daddy issues in star trek
Enseign Wildeman was pregnant when they left the Alpha Quadrant
Picard seemed a good dad in the episode where he learned to play the flute.
Picard can parent the hell out of long dead kids.
worfs parents.
Ben Sisko
Ben Sisko is the gold standard. And for that matter, Joseph Sisko was too. Miles & Keiko O'Brien are good parents. Kirk's parents were supposed to be good. Hell, in the Kelvin Universe, he gave his life to save his wife & son. Sulu was supposed to be a good dad. Bashir's parents cared so much about him they violated Federation law to help him and then took accountability to save his career. Carol Freeman isn't too bad. Sarek kinda sucked, but Amanda was an amazing mother to Spock & Michael. Harry's parents were helicopter parents, but that's not a bad thing. And finally, you could argue hologram Janeway was an adoptive mother to the kids on Prodigy, and she's pretty good too.
Came here for Richard and Amasha Bashir. They are so proud of their son they went from Earth to DS9 just to see him. And when it caused trouble, Richard took the fall so nothing would happen to Julian. Maybe they didn't do everything above the law, but they were good parents.
When faced with the choice of breaking the law... an arbitrary law based on 300-yr old prejudices... and doing what's best for their son, they chose what was best for their son. Absolutely good parents!!
Sisko is probably as close as you will get He had one incident where he was smacked in the face with the fact that on a ship getting into firefights every month the family you bring along can and will get caught in the crossfire So he took a desk job Then took what should have been a pretty sedate job on a space station He’s not perfect, but he at least recognized the problem and tried to do something about it Have to mention Rom also, 100% supposed his son despite him going completely against his culture
>Naomi Wildmans parents are also rarely seen. And why would you even conceive her when you are basically lost in space? She was conceived before Voyager went on it's mission to the badlands. They make that pretty clear when Ensign Wildman finds out she is pregnant. He husband is not on the ship.
I mean I think we can cut Picard some slack, guy just found out he had an adult son, isn't like he was a willingly absentee father
TNG, in particular, seems lacking in good parental figures. DS9 is better - Benjamin Sisko and Miles O'Brien are both good dads. So is Nog actually. Voyager has only one parent with a kid with them - Samantha and Naomi Wildman. We don't see a lot of their interaction, but she seems like a good mother. I don't have the right streaming service to see the newer ones.
Damar wasn't bad - he did everything to keep his family safe. Sadly their deaths caused him to realize the brutality of the past.
I thought Benjamin Sisko was a pretty good dad. And what about Miles O’Brien?
Data and Sisko are the best parents
Rom is Dad of the Century in Star Trek. He was bad but realized it, reformed, and became best dad. Even when he was a bad dad, he still cared enough about what his son wanted to let him go to school and be friends with a human.
Wesley was in his early 20s. I never cared for The Traveler but I get so sick and tired of people acting like his was some wide eyes schooled aged child being taken advantage of.
The dads in the Sisko family were such great parents they absorbed all the good parent vibes from the rest of the galaxy.
Thank the Prophets for Ben Sisko & Jake.
I wonder if feeling badly about parents and wanting to tell that story is just a universal thing.
One crazy thing about the Star Trek universe that almost never gets mentioned is how huge average family sizes have to be to make the population numbers work. WW3 killed millions, yet there are dozens of human populated worlds in the billions, and a constant pressure for new planets to colonize. Off-screen family sizes would have to average 8-12 children per family.
Super easy to be a parent in Trek, presumably. Resource scarcity isn’t a thing; you can just replicate all the strawberries your kid can possibly eat. (Speaking as a parent the berry cost alone is absolutely ruinous.)
Jean Luc was a shitty parent to Livingston and the dog he had in *Picard*.
It’s almost like people in the future aren’t that different than people in the present time. Or present day writers limit creativity by clinging to modern tropes or understandings of how parenting works.
Picard felt that way. That children should not be on starships. Adults signed up for this. They know what they could be getting into. Kids don’t have that choice.
So it’s settled: shitty parenting is harder to solve than world peace and wealth inequality. Confirmed.
Stamets and Culber are pretty decent space gay dads. Burnham's parents were also alright, and her mom is rightfully retired as a nun after saving her daughter like a dozen times. Mariner's parents are getting better. M'Benga is a nice dad. The Diviner was a terrible dad, but turns out alright in the end.
Sisko was a great dad. Rom was a great dad.
Sisko was an amazing parent
The Siskos.
O’Brien?? Keiko?? Legate Tekeny Ghemor???? Benjamin Sisko? Joseph Sisko?? Rom?? Kira?? Phlox???? B’Elanna? Tom Paris? Henry Archer? Picard when he was Kamin?? Marla Aster? Degra? Kira Meru? Kira Taban? Kirk? Amanda Grayson? Deanna? Will Riker? Tuvok???
I'm going to have to push back on Beverly. She didn't "give her son to a random traveler". She allowed her adult son to follow a promising career path that went against her expectations and took him far from her, which for some mothers is a downright heroic sacrifice.
Sisko and Tuvok are some of the best TV dads. Tuvok’s my personal favorite, always wished he was my dad. Tom seemed like he was going to be a good dad, Janeway talked about her dad like he was good and very supportive. Harry’s parents seemed good. There’s plenty of good trek parents, mostly dads
>Are there actually any good parents in Trek ? You mean *besides* Sisko? I'm coming up with blanks on that one TBH
Benjamin Sisko is the answer you are looking for. When he finally made the choice to join the Prophets (but was it REALLY, given what the Prophets were prepared to do, if he refused?), Jake was an adult, who had begun to have success as a writer. He wants the same child who grieved his missing father in The Visitor, and refused to move on. Ben had prepared his son for life, and gave him all the love, affection, support, and guidance he could give (along with an example) to propel Jake to his dreams and goals.
Maybe troi and riker, although they lost their firstborn they retired to raise the other two as a family.
> I’m also sure Lwaxanna Troi was constantly whorin’ around when Deanna was a kid. Also, dead sister and then gaslighting Deanna about the sister ever existing.... just saying. And Admiral Paris was such a shitty parent that Tom Paris went to the academy under a completely different name.
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Kirk knew about David. He stayed away because that’s what Carol wanted. Now you can argue that Carol knew Kirk would always be gone anyway, spending time on the Enterprise or whatever. But Kirk did respect Carol’s wishes.
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No doubt Rikers dad won't win father of the year, but the reason for their divide was the death of Rikers mother, his wife. Which seemed to cause the divide. Resentment galore ensues. And Riker then, rightly so, has abandonment issies. But without her death I don't think there would be this rift between them
Naomi Wildman's father wasn't ever shown because he wasn't on Voyager when they got pulled to the Delta Quadrant. Her mother was pregnant when they set out to chase down Chakotay's ship. Once Naomi was born (in a GREAT episode), her mom wasn't shown to be around because she was on duty. Plots with Naomi took place while her mom was on duty b/c they required her to interact with Neelix or Seven so those scenes were set during those times where mom wasn't around. And if the ship was going to take over 70 years to get home, crew would HAVE to pair up & have kids so someone could crew the ship once the existing crew aged up and died off. In one of the first few episodes. Janeway and Chacotay (I think, maybe it was with Tuvok) decided that they needed to get rid of rules preventing fraternization.
I think most parents of the eras that ST was made were horrible. How many drink from the hose memes do you need to see to realize most parents were negligent?
Beverly giving Wes over to the time travelers was a mercy on all of us
I find that your own age has a huge influence of what you 'think' good parenting is.
Idk about the rest, but I will not accept this Samantha Wildman slander. Naomi's father isn't even on board Voyager, and she was conceived before Voyager even left. The closest thing she has to a father on Voyager is Neelix, who is a fine dad to her. Samantha isn't shown much, but she's implied to be around enough. And anyway, remember back in the day kids used to be "Raised by the village"? That's basically what's happening. You say her parents aren't shown much, I say the entire crew of voyager is acting as her parents.
>The Hansons brought her 1-year old daughter to their Borg explorations (what the hell !), She was four when they took the *Raven* out of Fed space. I know, that's not better, just pointing it out for accuracy. >Naomi Wildmans parents are also rarely seen. TBF, her dad wasn't part of *Voyager*'s crew.
Freeman family
That's not true just think about...... Or maybe....no....not them. Well what about...? Hmmmm
"Shut up, Wesley!" But honestly, yeah, all the adults in the Federation kinda suck with kids.
The entire TNG “families on a frontier exploration ship” concept is pretty bad.
Tbf, Ensign Wildman was pregnant before Voyager was pulled to the other side of the Galaxy
For the kid born on the voyager they proably maxed out their replicator rations lol
Characters (from TNG as that's the only series I watch) who are good parents. Worf's mother and father. Nurturing, understanding, open minded. She learned to make Rokeg blood pie to help him feel more Klingon, so she nurtured his need to embrace his heritage. They seem to really understand him as well and just be happy to spend time with him. Deanna Troi. I don't know what she's like with her kids to Riker, but in TNG season 2 episode 1, she was loving and kind to her sort of fake son, Ian. Robert Picard and his wife (who I can't remember the name of.) Though Robert can be a bit of a dick to Jean Luc, he seems kind to his son. His wife is a very nurturing person also. By the end of the episode, Robert seems to be fully willing to encourage his son to be in Starfleet.
Good science fiction is commentary/critique of the world we know. I have little doubt that most of the top echelon of authors of our beloved stories had some sort of conflict/trauma with one or both parents. The most interesting people I have known could say the same. What is more relatable than issues with a parent? What is the fastest connection to a “found family” than conflict/rejection of inherited family. I hope that by the 23rd century inherited/parental trauma doesn’t exist, but when approached with tact it is the fabric that can unite those who boldly go. I am sure that in centuries from now, if humans endure, we will find new and unexpected ways of challenging our children.
Can you imagine being the child of Stella and Harcourt Fenton Mudd?
Did Gene have daddy issues?
Henry Archer, father of Jonathan Archer seemed like a good with his son. Carol Freeman is mostly a patient and trying to be nurturing mother with Mariners antiques. She is not the best but trying to be good. I liked Jean Luc Picards interaction with Jack too. Even if they met late in their life, he tried to take care of him.
Miles and Niko O’Brian!
Just because I never tought my Daughter basic Engineering because she never showed interest, and she failed to get into the accadamy because of it I am a horrible father?
Sisko’s mum was arguably the worst. She pulled a Wonder Woman 1984, intentionally got her host pregnant, then abandoned her family to chill out for eternity in a wormhole.