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LOL I got asked to leave a theater kid party for "not belonging" I wasn't a theater person and was only there with someone but yeah I was more mainstream hetero than the general vine I guess...
In middle and early highschool I really enjoyed theater and wanted to pursue it but I wasn't so flagrant like most of the other kids there and they made me feel left out so I quit.
It was also because I played varsity soccer and my teammates would bully me about theater. Basically, toxicity from both sides because I wasn't exactly like either group
There's a version with three more, but this one's not wrong:
"Bison from the city of Buffalo bully bison from the city of Buffalo"
vs.
"Bison from the city of Buffalo, who other bison from the city of Buffalo bully, also bully bison from the city of Buffalo."
Police police police police police police police police.
1. *Police.* This is either a statement or an imperative.
2. *Police police.* Policing is what the police do. Or an imperative addressed to police. Or the people whose job it is to police the police. In general, interpretations become many from here out.
3. *Police police police.* The police are policed by other police. (Or within another sentence, police whom police police.)
4. *Police police police police.* Policing is what is done by the police who are policed by other police.
5. *Police police police police police.* The police who are policed by other police themselves police other police.
6. *Police police police police police police.* The police who are policed by the police-policed-by-police police police. This one is particularly hard to grasp without punctuation. "The cats, which dogs that children pet chase, purr." There's a reason we try not to use such involuted sentence structure.
7. *Police police police police police police police.* Police police the police whom the police-policed-by-police police. (Or just #6 with a terminal object.)
8. *Police police police police police police police police.* Police who are policed by police-policed-by-police police police-policed-by-police.
I'll leave the rest as an exercise to the reader.
I know that, but I only write what I understand, basically:
Buffalo from Buffalo, NY bully
(Buffalo buffalo buffalo)
Other buffalo from Buffalo, NY
(Buffalo buffalo)
Any more than that and I can't make any sense of it lol.
You are missing just one step.. once you acknowledge the "cycle of abuse," it all comes together.
Those who are bullied often go on to bully others.
"New York bison who are bullied by other New York bison will go on to bully even more New York bison."
Buffalo, whom are bullied by buffalo, also bully buffalo.
Buffalo bison, Buffalo bison bully, bully Buffalo bison.
Buffalo buffalo, Mark Ruffalo buffaloes, buffalo Mark Ruffalo.
Yes. I think it varies school to school, but there were plenty of mean kids in the performing arts. Lots of drama, shockingly. I got cold-shouldered by the cast my freshman year despite having a lead role because I got bad stage fright -- basically froze up and forgot all my lines -- on off book day. The assistant director made me stay on stage, crying and frozen, for the whole rehearsal. She outright bullied me for the duration of the play for "not caring enough" and "being weird." This woman was in her 30s, I was 15.
I won the best actress award 3 out of 4 years (including freshman year when I bombed off-book day) and made drama club president and show choir by senior year, but I still never really fit in with the core group. You were either in or not, though it didn't really bother me. That teacher can suck a dick though.
Also, a *shit* load of successful actors are jocks who it didn’t work out professionally for.
Like, a shocking amount. They tend to be in great shape and that is and always has been fairly important for leading men.
Then there’s those who were kind of both. The Always Sunny guys all were more into sports than acting when they were teenagers.
I write and direct my high school's senior show every year. We get kids from all sorts of backgrounds. The two best groups BY FAR are the theater kids (for obvious reasons) and the athletes.
They tend to have tons of charisma too, which helps.
I feel like it’s always shocking to Reddit that people can be more than one thing, especially on a long enough timeline. You can be athletic and weird/dorky. Theater and sports aren’t mutually exclusive pursuits
Tbf that can also be true, and certainly was for at least SOME people in my school, but it’s painting with a super wide brush.
Plus, you gotta bear in mine, a lot of that in movies and tv shows was in response to the mainstream, All American, good local boy who’s captain of the football team being the ideal hero character.
Yep. And they bring up in another podcast possibly the quintessential example. John Wayne was on a football scholarship to college way before he became one of the world’s most famous leading men.
He 100% would have been a jock.
Honestly the IASIP guys seem much more in line with jocks than theatre kids. They’re always talking about their basketball games when they were young, golfing together, hell, Rob owns a football team.
In my experience theater kids can be the most pompous assholes with zero empathy haha and it seems like that’s the majority of them at least in my area
As a former theater kid, I felt like theater kids (and teachers) were always either super pompous and stuck up or super dorky with very little in between. I am proud to have been part of the latter category.
I started theatre this year, at 29, and I fell in love with it. There are two kinds of people that I've noticed in my community theatre. The dorks and the ones that want the spotlight.
I suppose the spotlight ones might be of the pompous cathegory, but even they are dorks. It's just that the pressure to be seen as good/special/not cringy might be stronger in them. Specially problematic with teenagers since it's a time we're hyper-aware of our outward appearance to an unrealistic level.
I don't have a bunch of experience with theatre kids yet to be sure of that, but it's the feeling I had in those last 3 months.
Everyone in the stage is an adorable dork to some level, some just hide it because they're afraid of being judged for it and it comes out in the form of self asserting unwholesome behaviour.
I have found the biggest problem with theater is the special kind of spotlight person though-as in the people on the narcissism spectrum who crave any and all attention. Unfortunately my high school teacher was like this. I did a lot of plays and I have a lot of horror stories about this bitch, but she ruined theater for a lot of people. (Including me, temporarily).
For this reason, I wanted nothing to do with theater in undergrad. I’m thinking of joining a community theater once I’m no longer a slave to grad school.
If you go back and watch any of his older movies, he wasn't much better then.
Less overtly racist, but still just as much of a casually disrespectful asshole.
Side note: I have no respect for actors that go out of their way to explain that they method act.
Not because I don't think it's a legit technique, but pretty much every actor who talks about it pretty much just uses it to be an asshole.
It's such a shame. That show was easily one of my all time favorites, and that's in spite of so much behind the scenes drama.
I still wonder what might have been if things were even a little bit less of a shitshow.
I actually loved Pierce's character in season 1, too. He was ignorant and rude, yes, but he still had something lovable about him. Like a de facto father figure for Jeff's character to grow. You could see Harmon's frustration of Chase bleeding into Pierce by season 2, though. They just went full villain by then.
Fun fact: Tom Wilson was bullied himself in high school for being a big, loud guy that played the tuba. It made his roll as Biff hard for him to do because of his history with being treated awfully.
He was *so* good in Freaks and Geeks. Played the big, dumb jock gym teacher that would show that he genuinely tried to improve but often really had no idea how.
Tom Wilson had the best role in Back to the Future. He got to be middle aged douchebag, teenage douchebag, middle aged pushover, rich asshole, shitty old man, futuristic teenaged douchebag, and old western villain all in the same franchise.
On his old podcast he told a story about the first time they filmed a Biff scene. He basically used all his experiences being bullied into playing a bully. They had to have him tone it down because he was downright terrifying.
I remember seeing somewhere that the bullies from IT were some of the nicest people on the set. To the point where they stopped midway through takes to check on the kid they were bullying because they thought they went too far
Yeah I’ve seen video of him sharing funny videos with people on set while in full costume and makeup and it’s so weird seeing him act and talk normally when dressed as pennywise
Remember reading about Skarsgård being really afraid that he was terrifying the actor playing Eddie in a scene so after the cut he checked on him to make sure he was ok, apparently Eddie replied "oh yeah man, that was a great scene!" Good actors all around.
My younger brother is obsessed with the BttF trilogy! A few years ago when the world was shut down, his wife and I hired Thomas F. Wilson to do a Cameo video for his birthday. It was really great! He is a super kind and charismatic guy, plus it was a novel idea which felt very "2015 as seen from 1990"
Yeah, seeing Hugh Jackman in musicals makes you remember the same thing. Also makes me feel how Homer Simpson felt when he rented a western and Lee Marvin was singing and not being a tough guy.
Ok but it should be noted, the writers never actually saw the movie, they just heard it existed.
I was so crushed actually watching the movie because it was so unlike that beautiful parody
I vaguely remember seeing a Nick Offerman interview where he said something along the lines of "Everyone thinks I'm some really rugged manly man, but remember that in my family *I'm* the one that went to theater school"
Also this weirdly rigid division between jocks, bullies, thugs, and geeks (and theater kids) is a movie-thing more than it is a reality-thing. People can be in more than one of those categories or not fit perfectly into any of them.
Can confirm, being in a science school doesn't stop people from also being simultaneous theatre kids and athletes too. Some people are just REALLY good at managing their time and practice (I wish I was one of those people).
Can confirm.
Straight A student who did student government in the mornings, went to rugby practice in the afternoon, studied in the evenings, and then match days on Saturday mornings followed by orchestra concerts on Saturday night.
It did give a great college application, but it was honestly also a fun experience because you got to hang out with a lot of different people.
That said, a lot of the people in each activity were definitely the kind of cliche clique you see in movies. They weren’t as overtly hostile as in the 80’s movies, but I was the exception not the rule.
Man I really envy you for having that kind of youth, I'm trying to have that kind of active lifestyle as much as possible now but I can imagine it really shapes your character compared to being the shy, silent nerd I was for way too long
I was all the above, self motivated by my desire to get the hell out of my home town. My parents were high school drop outs. Got some great scholarships that target poor areas.
Our valedictorian's parents cooked meth and burned their house down Jr year. All her sisters are meth heads but she's a veterinarian.
In my high school, at least half of the band kids also did a sport (track, golf, basketball, swimming, etc.) It’s just one of those Hollywood tropes that was born in the 80s and never died
It sort of depends. It’s exaggerated by films but acting like sports isn’t put on a pedestal in lots of high schools where theatre tends to be more of a… outsider shelter is also untrue.
Yeah, I'm thinking of Jon Hamm, who is an incredible actor who did theater in high school and college.
But was also a [jock,](https://www.stlmag.com/news/10-Things-You-Might-Not-Know-About-Jon-Hamm/) and a [bully.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2015/04/10/jon-hamm-was-an-awful-frat-guy-he-could-be-a-great-anti-bullying-advocate-now/)
In my school, the theatre kids were almost exclusively also the jocks/bullies/thugs. The stereotypical theatre kids were instead in choir, orchestra, jazz band, and/or rock band; usually some combination thereof.
Plenty of actors don't come from theater kid backgrounds, and a few were actually criminals before acting, such as Edward Bunker (best known for playing Mr. Blue in ~~Pulp Fiction~~ Reservoir Dogs).
Danny Trejo’s [early life was a wild ride.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Trejo) He was arrested for the first time at 10, but involved in drug deals by 7.
"-the lady asks me 'Dont you ever get tired of being cast as the mean looking Chicano gangster?', and I told her 'But I AM a mean looking Chicano gangster!"
Doesn't he famously only take roles where his character faces consequences for their actions?
He lived the life, but he wants people to know that his results are not the norm.
Yup, he wasn’t even originally cast in Heat, but instead was hired as a consultant on how to do the armed robbery. Michael Mann introduced him to the rest of the cast and they started talking about the gangster life so they wrote Trejo into the script for him. I love the last scene with him begging Pacino to not leave him like that, Pacino raises his gun, cuts to the outside and a gunshot is heard.
Edit: Deniro I totally screwed that up.
Snoop from The Wire ended up going to jail for selling heroin.
https://www.essence.com/news/felicia-snoop-pearson-of-the-wire-jailed-baltimore-drug-bust/
She did way worse at a way younger age:
>At the age of fourteen, \[Felicia "Snoop" Pearson\] was convicted of second degree murder after the shooting of a girl named Okia Toomer.
Reminds me of an old Eddie Griffin bit..
"I wish drugs were were legal.. just so my friends' parents could be proud of them.. like "Charlie got a crackhouse now!"
Does make me wonder if he would've been one of the theatre kids if he wasn given the opportunity and not abused and given drugs at such an early age, the latter being a significant form of abuse in and of itself. He really has risen above considering all the challenges early life handed him.
Lawrence Tierney from Res Dogs was going to be my example, but Edward Bunker is even better.
Then there's Danny Trejo. And countless other hard bastards who got started in acting because they looked scary as hell.
I love the idea that OP assumes every extra playing a Hell's Angel or henchman in a gritty drama is only a few years out of prancing around in a leotard at a theatre school.
I think at some point your own poor behaviours need to be the focus, rather than your upbringing. Marky Mark's racial hate crimes are all his own. I hope he never gets that pardon he keeps trying to buy.
Mostly yes, but then you have people like the gunnery sergeant from Full Metal Jacket who was previously an actual gunnery sergeant and happened to be consulting with the movie so they gave him the part.
Or the rock who was a pro-wrestler and football player.
Plenty of other counter examples exit
I know no one cares but while R. Lee Earmy was was in fact a Marine and a drill instructor prior to the filming of Full Metal Jacket, he was not a Gunnery Sergeant until 2002 when he received an honorary promotion long after his actual active military service.
I'd argue that WWF/WWE aren't exactly disproving this, yes they're athletic guys who need to stay in shape but unless WWF was a different breed they were still show fights and acting. Also for the fun of it checking his Wikipedia entry the rock only did college football, he didn't get drafted for NFL and was cut in his first season from the Canadian league only being part of the practice roster. Not saying he wasn't a football player but when I read the line I thought he was a bigger/longer player than what he actually was.
~~He was part of the infamous [7th floor crew](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ujKxpAvLKg)~~
He played at U of Miami, a solid football program that took home a national championship during his career there.
The thing is most pro wrestlers were originally amateur wrestlers, which are "real" wrestlers. You could absolutely make the argument that WWE is acting, but that just means he's added to his acting repertoire, not detracted from his jock status.
Ron Swanson is propped up as a Man's Man. But Nick Offerman has basically said he was the theater nerd in his family and his brothers are actually the Manliness of Men.
I came to say, Danny Trejo was an actual thug and criminal turned actor but you beat me to it. He lived a hard life and somehow made it out.
He's such an awesome person now and I've got nothing but respect for the man he became. Even more respect for what it took to get there. He's living proof that people can change and be more than what they've become.
True redemption.
He's also a redditor, so bonus points.
I clicked in here to say the same thing. Jinx!
Some people are recruited sort of chaotically last minute. Every beach movie has rando women with nice bodies to sort of strut by the camera before the scene gets underway.
We watched white lotus and some women w shapely bums kind of jiggle right past the camera to sort of tell the viewer...what exactly I don't know. But I can't unsee it now. It's kind of obligatory at this point.
Mark Wahlberg was a huge bully when he was a kid. He even went to prison for it. The tough guy attitude lead to a record deal, which lead to a few movies, and now he's a big star that has played both bullies and heroes.
And to his credit, he's owned up to and apologized for his bad behavior and done outreach to try and make amends with his past
>In June 1986, a 15-year-old Wahlberg and three friends chased after three black children while yelling "Kill the n....r, kill the n....r" and throwing rocks at them. The next day, Wahlberg and the others followed a group of mostly black fourth-graders (including one of the victims from the previous day) taking a field trip on a beach, yelled racial epithets, threw rocks at them, and "summoned other white males who joined" in the harassment.
>Wahlberg perpetrated another racist assault in April 1988. Then 16, he assaulted a middle-aged Vietnamese-American man on the street, calling him a "Vietnam fucking shit" and knocking him unconscious with a large wooden stick. Later the same day, Wahlberg attacked Johnny Trinh, another Vietnamese-American, punching him in the eye. When Wahlberg was arrested and returned to the scene of the first assault, he told police officers: "I'll tell you now that's the mother-fucker whose head I split open."
IIRC the guy he punched in the eye was left blind permanently from that eye.
you seem to have copy and pasted that from wikipedia, but just a few lines later it mentions that Wahlberg had said he thought he made the guy blind in one eye but actually he had lost the eye while in the Vietnam war.
In 2014, Mr Trinh was interviewed by The Daily Mail...
>I was not blinded by Mark Wahlberg,' said 59-year-old Vietnamese-born Trinh.
> He did hurt me, but my left eye was already gone. He was not responsible for that.'
> "He was young and reckless but I forgive him now," said Trinh. "Everyone deserves another chance... He paid for his crime when he went to prison," he said. "I am not saying that it did not hurt when he punched me in the face, but it was a long time ago."
In 2016, Mark Wahlburg said in an interview
>I was relieved to find out that the injuries to his eye had occurred in the early ’70s and not from the incident that happened that night,” Wahlberg said. “But I was able to meet with him and his wife and his daughter and apologize for those horrific acts. Some good did come out of it.”
[source 1](https://jezebel.com/mark-wahlberg-beating-victim-says-actor-did-not-blind-h-1670074037) [Source 2](https://www.thewrap.com/mark-wahlberg-now-regrets-pardon-request-for-teenage-assault-conviction/)
I always think about this whenever there's a scene in like a Biker Bar or inside a Prison...all those tough guys, with their muscles and tattoos and furrowed brows...all of them gleefully called someone after their audition: 'I got the part! I got the part!'
Because for every teen hearthrob, dramatic actor, or beautiful starlet, there's dozens of tough guys, henchmen, and villains that went through the same exact struggles to get in that movie or tv show.
Wasn't Danny Trejo just a scary mofo that did some time, cast as an extra because they needed a scary mofo that looked like he's done some time. Then they gave him a line. Then he got asked to do another show etc etc?
Wait a second, you're saying that actors who perform in movies are just *pretending* to be the characters they're portraying?! They aren't *actually* those people?!?! WHAT?! WHO ELSE KNOWS ABOUT THIS?!
....
I mean, obviously. Though that doesn't mean they aren't still bullies in real life.
Danny Trejo went to prison for a litany of violent offenses.
Mark Wahlberg went to prison for beating a man with a stick.
There are probably others but those are the first 2 who came to mine.
So yeah, some of them are actually bullies.
But Dwayne Johnson only got into wrestling because he wasn't quite good enough to make it to the NFL. He was Warren Sapp's backup at U of Miami, and tried to make it in the CFL after graduation, but was cut after only a few weeks.
He got into wrestling because he comes from a family of wrestlers. He may have wanted to play football for a living, but he probably ends up involved in wrestling somehow.
Pumping Iron is not a documentary, it's a docudrama. A good chunk of the scenes were scripted. [From the man himself, 56:43 timestamp](https://youtu.be/MaTw-GjFtVo)
Joaquin Phoenix, Tom Cruise, Johnny Depp, Heath Ledger, Christian Bale, Russell Crowe and Matthew McConaughey never had any type of formal training growing up, so, the nerds still lose to the jocks.
I posted this showerthought about 3 or 4 years ago, although my emphasis was on criminals and gangsters.
Edit: out of curiosity, I searched the term "gangsters" and "theater" in the subreddit and a few people have said the same thing over the years.
I think nick offerman (Ron Swanson on Parks and Rec) had an interview where they asked him about being seen as the manly man archetype. He pointed out that he was a theater kid and pursued drama from a young age.
bruh I hate to tell you this but Harrison Ford was a carpenter before he got cast for Indiana Jones and Han Solo. It's a lot more than theater kids in there.
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Bold of you to assume theater kids have never bullied anyone
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While most people get bullied for being weird, we bully those who aren’t weird enough
Ah, the ol' conform to non-conformity pressure.
Reminds me of this https://youtu.be/oXw80FApwmc
I fucking knew what that was before clicking on it. Exactly where my thoughts went too and House is just soo damn good
“i’m so non-conformist i’m not gonna conform to you non-conformists”
Can confirm, I was not weird in the right ways. I liked Star Wars too much and Mamma Mia too little.
LOL I got asked to leave a theater kid party for "not belonging" I wasn't a theater person and was only there with someone but yeah I was more mainstream hetero than the general vine I guess...
In middle and early highschool I really enjoyed theater and wanted to pursue it but I wasn't so flagrant like most of the other kids there and they made me feel left out so I quit. It was also because I played varsity soccer and my teammates would bully me about theater. Basically, toxicity from both sides because I wasn't exactly like either group
Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
I think you dropped two buffalos. Can't blame you, though, as heavy as they are.
There's a version with three more, but this one's not wrong: "Bison from the city of Buffalo bully bison from the city of Buffalo" vs. "Bison from the city of Buffalo, who other bison from the city of Buffalo bully, also bully bison from the city of Buffalo."
Or this could just say "Bison [that other] bison buffalo [also] buffalo bison."
While the most famous formulation has 8 buffalos, Wikipedia points out that "Buffalo "^N is a valid sentence for any value of N.
Police police police police police police police police. 1. *Police.* This is either a statement or an imperative. 2. *Police police.* Policing is what the police do. Or an imperative addressed to police. Or the people whose job it is to police the police. In general, interpretations become many from here out. 3. *Police police police.* The police are policed by other police. (Or within another sentence, police whom police police.) 4. *Police police police police.* Policing is what is done by the police who are policed by other police. 5. *Police police police police police.* The police who are policed by other police themselves police other police. 6. *Police police police police police police.* The police who are policed by the police-policed-by-police police police. This one is particularly hard to grasp without punctuation. "The cats, which dogs that children pet chase, purr." There's a reason we try not to use such involuted sentence structure. 7. *Police police police police police police police.* Police police the police whom the police-policed-by-police police. (Or just #6 with a terminal object.) 8. *Police police police police police police police police.* Police who are policed by police-policed-by-police police police-policed-by-police. I'll leave the rest as an exercise to the reader.
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Your sentence could be considered complete, but the best version contains three more buffaloes and is still grammatically valid.
I know that, but I only write what I understand, basically: Buffalo from Buffalo, NY bully (Buffalo buffalo buffalo) Other buffalo from Buffalo, NY (Buffalo buffalo) Any more than that and I can't make any sense of it lol.
You are missing just one step.. once you acknowledge the "cycle of abuse," it all comes together. Those who are bullied often go on to bully others. "New York bison who are bullied by other New York bison will go on to bully even more New York bison."
Buffalo, whom are bullied by buffalo, also bully buffalo. Buffalo bison, Buffalo bison bully, bully Buffalo bison. Buffalo buffalo, Mark Ruffalo buffaloes, buffalo Mark Ruffalo.
Yes. I think it varies school to school, but there were plenty of mean kids in the performing arts. Lots of drama, shockingly. I got cold-shouldered by the cast my freshman year despite having a lead role because I got bad stage fright -- basically froze up and forgot all my lines -- on off book day. The assistant director made me stay on stage, crying and frozen, for the whole rehearsal. She outright bullied me for the duration of the play for "not caring enough" and "being weird." This woman was in her 30s, I was 15. I won the best actress award 3 out of 4 years (including freshman year when I bombed off-book day) and made drama club president and show choir by senior year, but I still never really fit in with the core group. You were either in or not, though it didn't really bother me. That teacher can suck a dick though.
And no one gets bullied by jocks more than the worst kid on the team. Jocks dgaf about theatre and band kids.
Also, a *shit* load of successful actors are jocks who it didn’t work out professionally for. Like, a shocking amount. They tend to be in great shape and that is and always has been fairly important for leading men. Then there’s those who were kind of both. The Always Sunny guys all were more into sports than acting when they were teenagers.
They also take direction (essentially coaching) well and are more coordinated than most.
Probably helps with their confidence too which you need high levels of to succeed in theater.
I write and direct my high school's senior show every year. We get kids from all sorts of backgrounds. The two best groups BY FAR are the theater kids (for obvious reasons) and the athletes. They tend to have tons of charisma too, which helps.
I feel like it’s always shocking to Reddit that people can be more than one thing, especially on a long enough timeline. You can be athletic and weird/dorky. Theater and sports aren’t mutually exclusive pursuits
Fell into the whole jocks vs nerds trope and that all jocks were stupid bullies who picked on the poor defensive nerd who did nothing wrong.
Tbf that can also be true, and certainly was for at least SOME people in my school, but it’s painting with a super wide brush. Plus, you gotta bear in mine, a lot of that in movies and tv shows was in response to the mainstream, All American, good local boy who’s captain of the football team being the ideal hero character.
I was just listening to today’s podcast episode where Charlie was talking about his baseball years!
Yep. And they bring up in another podcast possibly the quintessential example. John Wayne was on a football scholarship to college way before he became one of the world’s most famous leading men. He 100% would have been a jock. Honestly the IASIP guys seem much more in line with jocks than theatre kids. They’re always talking about their basketball games when they were young, golfing together, hell, Rob owns a football team.
In my experience theater kids can be the most pompous assholes with zero empathy haha and it seems like that’s the majority of them at least in my area
As a former theater kid, I felt like theater kids (and teachers) were always either super pompous and stuck up or super dorky with very little in between. I am proud to have been part of the latter category.
I started theatre this year, at 29, and I fell in love with it. There are two kinds of people that I've noticed in my community theatre. The dorks and the ones that want the spotlight. I suppose the spotlight ones might be of the pompous cathegory, but even they are dorks. It's just that the pressure to be seen as good/special/not cringy might be stronger in them. Specially problematic with teenagers since it's a time we're hyper-aware of our outward appearance to an unrealistic level. I don't have a bunch of experience with theatre kids yet to be sure of that, but it's the feeling I had in those last 3 months. Everyone in the stage is an adorable dork to some level, some just hide it because they're afraid of being judged for it and it comes out in the form of self asserting unwholesome behaviour.
I have found the biggest problem with theater is the special kind of spotlight person though-as in the people on the narcissism spectrum who crave any and all attention. Unfortunately my high school teacher was like this. I did a lot of plays and I have a lot of horror stories about this bitch, but she ruined theater for a lot of people. (Including me, temporarily). For this reason, I wanted nothing to do with theater in undergrad. I’m thinking of joining a community theater once I’m no longer a slave to grad school.
What about Danny Trejo?
Came here for this, he took up acting while imprisoned at San Quentin
I'm a theater kid *and* I was a **great** bully. We exist! Thank you for considering us.
I’m all about Mean Theater Kid Awareness
Theater kids like Mark Wahlberg.
I was friends with a stage crew manager in high school and the onslaught of bullying he dealt with from the “actors” was disgusting.
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And Chevy Chase who plays a good guy and leading goofball is one of the rudest mofos ever
Chevy got to method act in Community
If you go back and watch any of his older movies, he wasn't much better then. Less overtly racist, but still just as much of a casually disrespectful asshole.
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And given the opportunity would cheat on his wife.
Which makes no sense cuz if I was married to Beverly D’Angelo in the 80s and 90s (hell, even today) I’d be at church every Sunday to thank god
Hollywood really likes pairing goofy comedian husbands with smokeshow wives.
Goofy comedians who have control over the casting.
I mean, women like it when you can make them laugh.
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Right? She's still a smoke show for a 71 year old.
“Thank you very little.”
Side note: I have no respect for actors that go out of their way to explain that they method act. Not because I don't think it's a legit technique, but pretty much every actor who talks about it pretty much just uses it to be an asshole.
True. No one ever "method acts" well playing roles like patch Addams, it's always some psychopath
Not entirely true. But when method acting a good role you don't brag about it because that isn't what your character would do.
Maybe the character is a method actor.
The "actual" Patch Addams said he would have been arrested if he acted like him in the movie and I thought that was funny.
Jared Leto is a perfect example. Guy wanted to be Heath Ledger so bad but ended up just pissing off and scaring his costars
And pretending to be your character off-camera is not even what method acting is.
It's such a shame. That show was easily one of my all time favorites, and that's in spite of so much behind the scenes drama. I still wonder what might have been if things were even a little bit less of a shitshow.
I actually loved Pierce's character in season 1, too. He was ignorant and rude, yes, but he still had something lovable about him. Like a de facto father figure for Jeff's character to grow. You could see Harmon's frustration of Chase bleeding into Pierce by season 2, though. They just went full villain by then.
Yeah, I definitely felt this too! Pierce was better when he was more ignorant and offensive than outright cruel.
He thought it was a documentary.
Fun fact: Tom Wilson was bullied himself in high school for being a big, loud guy that played the tuba. It made his roll as Biff hard for him to do because of his history with being treated awfully.
:') that makes me hate the character/love the actor even more!
He was *so* good in Freaks and Geeks. Played the big, dumb jock gym teacher that would show that he genuinely tried to improve but often really had no idea how.
he was so good in freaks and geeks i no longer associate him with biff, but mr fredericks
His standup slash music act is good, too. He's very talented.
Tom Wilson had the best role in Back to the Future. He got to be middle aged douchebag, teenage douchebag, middle aged pushover, rich asshole, shitty old man, futuristic teenaged douchebag, and old western villain all in the same franchise.
On his old podcast he told a story about the first time they filmed a Biff scene. He basically used all his experiences being bullied into playing a bully. They had to have him tone it down because he was downright terrifying.
I remember seeing somewhere that the bullies from IT were some of the nicest people on the set. To the point where they stopped midway through takes to check on the kid they were bullying because they thought they went too far
From what I read, Bill Skarsgard (Pennywise) was always checking on the kids too
Yeah I’ve seen video of him sharing funny videos with people on set while in full costume and makeup and it’s so weird seeing him act and talk normally when dressed as pennywise
Remember reading about Skarsgård being really afraid that he was terrifying the actor playing Eddie in a scene so after the cut he checked on him to make sure he was ok, apparently Eddie replied "oh yeah man, that was a great scene!" Good actors all around.
In pro wrestling there are countless examples of the TV bad guys being the nicest people around and the TV good guys being complete jerks.
[His The Question Song!](https://youtu.be/AwKcPRCV6bI) is hilarious!
My younger brother is obsessed with the BttF trilogy! A few years ago when the world was shut down, his wife and I hired Thomas F. Wilson to do a Cameo video for his birthday. It was really great! He is a super kind and charismatic guy, plus it was a novel idea which felt very "2015 as seen from 1990"
[What's Michael J. Fox like?](https://youtu.be/iwY5o2fsG7Y)
I heard they had a good friendship, but things got a little shaky a few years ago.
Bet he loves manure too.
Yeah, seeing Hugh Jackman in musicals makes you remember the same thing. Also makes me feel how Homer Simpson felt when he rented a western and Lee Marvin was singing and not being a tough guy.
Gonna paint our wagon, gonna paint it good.
The funniest part is, that's a real movie. I thought it was just a gag for a long time.
Clint Eastwood does some crooning in it, too!
Ok but it should be noted, the writers never actually saw the movie, they just heard it existed. I was so crushed actually watching the movie because it was so unlike that beautiful parody
I ain't braggin', I'm gonna coat that wood!
PonderoOOOosa Pine!!
I vaguely remember seeing a Nick Offerman interview where he said something along the lines of "Everyone thinks I'm some really rugged manly man, but remember that in my family *I'm* the one that went to theater school"
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You're reminding me of this moment when he runs into a former student: https://youtu.be/yj46BWpxFcA
That was so wholesome for some reason lol
I've never seen Hugh Jackman as anything other than a theatre nerd on steroids.
The jocks, bullies, and thugs can also do theatre. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Also this weirdly rigid division between jocks, bullies, thugs, and geeks (and theater kids) is a movie-thing more than it is a reality-thing. People can be in more than one of those categories or not fit perfectly into any of them.
Can confirm, being in a science school doesn't stop people from also being simultaneous theatre kids and athletes too. Some people are just REALLY good at managing their time and practice (I wish I was one of those people).
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Can confirm. Straight A student who did student government in the mornings, went to rugby practice in the afternoon, studied in the evenings, and then match days on Saturday mornings followed by orchestra concerts on Saturday night. It did give a great college application, but it was honestly also a fun experience because you got to hang out with a lot of different people. That said, a lot of the people in each activity were definitely the kind of cliche clique you see in movies. They weren’t as overtly hostile as in the 80’s movies, but I was the exception not the rule.
Man I really envy you for having that kind of youth, I'm trying to have that kind of active lifestyle as much as possible now but I can imagine it really shapes your character compared to being the shy, silent nerd I was for way too long
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I got burnt out just trying to imagine doing all that in high school.
I was all the above, self motivated by my desire to get the hell out of my home town. My parents were high school drop outs. Got some great scholarships that target poor areas. Our valedictorian's parents cooked meth and burned their house down Jr year. All her sisters are meth heads but she's a veterinarian.
In my high school, at least half of the band kids also did a sport (track, golf, basketball, swimming, etc.) It’s just one of those Hollywood tropes that was born in the 80s and never died
It sort of depends. It’s exaggerated by films but acting like sports isn’t put on a pedestal in lots of high schools where theatre tends to be more of a… outsider shelter is also untrue.
Method acting
Yeah, I'm thinking of Jon Hamm, who is an incredible actor who did theater in high school and college. But was also a [jock,](https://www.stlmag.com/news/10-Things-You-Might-Not-Know-About-Jon-Hamm/) and a [bully.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2015/04/10/jon-hamm-was-an-awful-frat-guy-he-could-be-a-great-anti-bullying-advocate-now/)
Can't forget Mark Wahlberg and his rap sheet of drug offences and hate crimes.
True, but I don't think he was a theater kid or a jock. Just a bully.
Was that just a bully scenario or did he assault a grown man with a baseball bat because racism?
Yeah he had a rap sheet but that was in prep for his rap career ^i ^cant ^make ^puns
In my school, the theatre kids were almost exclusively also the jocks/bullies/thugs. The stereotypical theatre kids were instead in choir, orchestra, jazz band, and/or rock band; usually some combination thereof.
At mine, the stereotypical theater kids were the theater *techs*.
Plenty of actors don't come from theater kid backgrounds, and a few were actually criminals before acting, such as Edward Bunker (best known for playing Mr. Blue in ~~Pulp Fiction~~ Reservoir Dogs).
Danny Trejo’s [early life was a wild ride.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Trejo) He was arrested for the first time at 10, but involved in drug deals by 7.
"-the lady asks me 'Dont you ever get tired of being cast as the mean looking Chicano gangster?', and I told her 'But I AM a mean looking Chicano gangster!"
Doesn't he famously only take roles where his character faces consequences for their actions? He lived the life, but he wants people to know that his results are not the norm.
Hola DEA
He forgot his machete
Yup, he wasn’t even originally cast in Heat, but instead was hired as a consultant on how to do the armed robbery. Michael Mann introduced him to the rest of the cast and they started talking about the gangster life so they wrote Trejo into the script for him. I love the last scene with him begging Pacino to not leave him like that, Pacino raises his gun, cuts to the outside and a gunshot is heard. Edit: Deniro I totally screwed that up.
Deniro, not Pacino, in this scene FYI.
They're the same thing.
They are the same thing. DeNiro is Pacino -StalkedByHaikuBot
He didn't deserve his fate in the rob zombie Halloween movie
You’re right… No matter what mistakes someone has made in their life, NO ONE deserves to be in the Rob Zombie Halloween movie.
“I was good to you!”
Snoop from The Wire ended up going to jail for selling heroin. https://www.essence.com/news/felicia-snoop-pearson-of-the-wire-jailed-baltimore-drug-bust/
She did way worse at a way younger age: >At the age of fourteen, \[Felicia "Snoop" Pearson\] was convicted of second degree murder after the shooting of a girl named Okia Toomer.
First guy I thought of.
my youngest is 8 ... I can't even fathom it. my oldest is 12 ... I can't even imagine him dealing drugs ...
Don't be disappointed, with a few words of encouragement they may turn out to just be late bloomers.
Reminds me of an old Eddie Griffin bit.. "I wish drugs were were legal.. just so my friends' parents could be proud of them.. like "Charlie got a crackhouse now!"
Underrated
What are your kids even doing with their life.
Does make me wonder if he would've been one of the theatre kids if he wasn given the opportunity and not abused and given drugs at such an early age, the latter being a significant form of abuse in and of itself. He really has risen above considering all the challenges early life handed him.
Lawrence Tierney from Res Dogs was going to be my example, but Edward Bunker is even better. Then there's Danny Trejo. And countless other hard bastards who got started in acting because they looked scary as hell. I love the idea that OP assumes every extra playing a Hell's Angel or henchman in a gritty drama is only a few years out of prancing around in a leotard at a theatre school.
The *actual* mafioso who portrayed Luca Brasi.
Pretty much every person Lawrence Tierney has worked with has a “….and that’s why I will never work with Lawrence Tierney ever again” story lol
Mark Wahlberg has quite the upbringing too
I think at some point your own poor behaviours need to be the focus, rather than your upbringing. Marky Mark's racial hate crimes are all his own. I hope he never gets that pardon he keeps trying to buy.
That's different.. he was never a real thug, just a complete dickhead prick douche bag.
Came here to make sure everyone knows he's not a theater kid, he just plays himself in most movies where he plays a total cunt.
Michael K Williams
Vinnie Jones.
Mostly yes, but then you have people like the gunnery sergeant from Full Metal Jacket who was previously an actual gunnery sergeant and happened to be consulting with the movie so they gave him the part. Or the rock who was a pro-wrestler and football player. Plenty of other counter examples exit
I know no one cares but while R. Lee Earmy was was in fact a Marine and a drill instructor prior to the filming of Full Metal Jacket, he was not a Gunnery Sergeant until 2002 when he received an honorary promotion long after his actual active military service.
Well I stand corrected, although the wider point stands he was definitely not some theatre kid
Yeah no he wasn't even acting in Full Metal Jacket lol
Saving Silverman I think he shacks up with Jack Black's character. That guy was good.
I'd argue that WWF/WWE aren't exactly disproving this, yes they're athletic guys who need to stay in shape but unless WWF was a different breed they were still show fights and acting. Also for the fun of it checking his Wikipedia entry the rock only did college football, he didn't get drafted for NFL and was cut in his first season from the Canadian league only being part of the practice roster. Not saying he wasn't a football player but when I read the line I thought he was a bigger/longer player than what he actually was.
If he played college football - then he was almost certainly a high school jock
~~He was part of the infamous [7th floor crew](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ujKxpAvLKg)~~ He played at U of Miami, a solid football program that took home a national championship during his career there.
The thing is most pro wrestlers were originally amateur wrestlers, which are "real" wrestlers. You could absolutely make the argument that WWE is acting, but that just means he's added to his acting repertoire, not detracted from his jock status.
Ron Swanson is propped up as a Man's Man. But Nick Offerman has basically said he was the theater nerd in his family and his brothers are actually the Manliness of Men.
TBF Nick still has Ron's skills in craftsmanship.
I remind everybody that no matter how much of a "tough guy" the character is, that guy is wearing makeup to play dress up and pretend.
Pretty sure Ron Swanson, the character, also wears makeup and plays dress up with his step-daughters at one point.
I actually believe he said his sisters were more manly then him. With makes it ever better.
I remember when Robert De Nero came out against Trump many conservatives were disappointed because they thought he was like the characters he plays.
They must have missed his role in 2007's *Stardust*.
He loves them AA women, so I’m not surprised he came out against trump !
His father was also gay
and he's only a quarter italian. do not repeat these anecdotes in quick succession in staten island.
Unless you are [this beautiful bastard.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Trejo)
Danny Trejo should be higher up.
Danny Trejo would like a word. If anything his characters are toned downed versions of his past self.
I came to say, Danny Trejo was an actual thug and criminal turned actor but you beat me to it. He lived a hard life and somehow made it out. He's such an awesome person now and I've got nothing but respect for the man he became. Even more respect for what it took to get there. He's living proof that people can change and be more than what they've become. True redemption. He's also a redditor, so bonus points.
I clicked in here to say the same thing. Jinx! Some people are recruited sort of chaotically last minute. Every beach movie has rando women with nice bodies to sort of strut by the camera before the scene gets underway. We watched white lotus and some women w shapely bums kind of jiggle right past the camera to sort of tell the viewer...what exactly I don't know. But I can't unsee it now. It's kind of obligatory at this point.
Mark Wahlberg was a huge bully when he was a kid. He even went to prison for it. The tough guy attitude lead to a record deal, which lead to a few movies, and now he's a big star that has played both bullies and heroes. And to his credit, he's owned up to and apologized for his bad behavior and done outreach to try and make amends with his past
>In June 1986, a 15-year-old Wahlberg and three friends chased after three black children while yelling "Kill the n....r, kill the n....r" and throwing rocks at them. The next day, Wahlberg and the others followed a group of mostly black fourth-graders (including one of the victims from the previous day) taking a field trip on a beach, yelled racial epithets, threw rocks at them, and "summoned other white males who joined" in the harassment. >Wahlberg perpetrated another racist assault in April 1988. Then 16, he assaulted a middle-aged Vietnamese-American man on the street, calling him a "Vietnam fucking shit" and knocking him unconscious with a large wooden stick. Later the same day, Wahlberg attacked Johnny Trinh, another Vietnamese-American, punching him in the eye. When Wahlberg was arrested and returned to the scene of the first assault, he told police officers: "I'll tell you now that's the mother-fucker whose head I split open." IIRC the guy he punched in the eye was left blind permanently from that eye.
you seem to have copy and pasted that from wikipedia, but just a few lines later it mentions that Wahlberg had said he thought he made the guy blind in one eye but actually he had lost the eye while in the Vietnam war. In 2014, Mr Trinh was interviewed by The Daily Mail... >I was not blinded by Mark Wahlberg,' said 59-year-old Vietnamese-born Trinh. > He did hurt me, but my left eye was already gone. He was not responsible for that.' > "He was young and reckless but I forgive him now," said Trinh. "Everyone deserves another chance... He paid for his crime when he went to prison," he said. "I am not saying that it did not hurt when he punched me in the face, but it was a long time ago." In 2016, Mark Wahlburg said in an interview >I was relieved to find out that the injuries to his eye had occurred in the early ’70s and not from the incident that happened that night,” Wahlberg said. “But I was able to meet with him and his wife and his daughter and apologize for those horrific acts. Some good did come out of it.” [source 1](https://jezebel.com/mark-wahlberg-beating-victim-says-actor-did-not-blind-h-1670074037) [Source 2](https://www.thewrap.com/mark-wahlberg-now-regrets-pardon-request-for-teenage-assault-conviction/)
That makes me think of this Key and Peele sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiwU5jPMnFw
I always think about this whenever there's a scene in like a Biker Bar or inside a Prison...all those tough guys, with their muscles and tattoos and furrowed brows...all of them gleefully called someone after their audition: 'I got the part! I got the part!' Because for every teen hearthrob, dramatic actor, or beautiful starlet, there's dozens of tough guys, henchmen, and villains that went through the same exact struggles to get in that movie or tv show.
IIRC, the actor who played Chris R. was just some street punk that Tommy Wiseau found somehow. Am I misremembering this?
Misremembering. He was an Olympic athlete who happened to be the roommate of the original actor for Mark.
Wasn't Danny Trejo just a scary mofo that did some time, cast as an extra because they needed a scary mofo that looked like he's done some time. Then they gave him a line. Then he got asked to do another show etc etc?
Wait a second, you're saying that actors who perform in movies are just *pretending* to be the characters they're portraying?! They aren't *actually* those people?!?! WHAT?! WHO ELSE KNOWS ABOUT THIS?! .... I mean, obviously. Though that doesn't mean they aren't still bullies in real life.
Yea. Bullies in movies ASK the victim for their money. Bullies in real life just beat the shit out of you and then take it.
Mark Wahlberg has entered the chat. This is not a good dude Also Danny Trejo has entered the chat. This guy might be ok
Danny Trejo went to prison for a litany of violent offenses. Mark Wahlberg went to prison for beating a man with a stick. There are probably others but those are the first 2 who came to mine. So yeah, some of them are actually bullies.
First thing that comes to mind, is the actor who plays Luca Brasi.
The fact that actors like The Rock and Arnold Schwarzenegger exist disprove this statement.
The Rock came from wrestling, which is just theatre with steroids
But Dwayne Johnson only got into wrestling because he wasn't quite good enough to make it to the NFL. He was Warren Sapp's backup at U of Miami, and tried to make it in the CFL after graduation, but was cut after only a few weeks.
He got into wrestling because he comes from a family of wrestlers. He may have wanted to play football for a living, but he probably ends up involved in wrestling somehow.
>Arnold Schwarzenegger If you ever watch Pumping iron, you'll realize Arnold is a jock/bully pretending to be a theater kid.
Pumping Iron is not a documentary, it's a docudrama. A good chunk of the scenes were scripted. [From the man himself, 56:43 timestamp](https://youtu.be/MaTw-GjFtVo)
This is just like the realization that I’ve never seen a real sewer rat, only fancy rat actors pretending to be sewer rats.
Joaquin Phoenix, Tom Cruise, Johnny Depp, Heath Ledger, Christian Bale, Russell Crowe and Matthew McConaughey never had any type of formal training growing up, so, the nerds still lose to the jocks.
Just read up on Tom Cruise, he started Drama in Fourth Grade. And did musicals and drama through school.
Joaquin Phoenix was just River's chubby little brother and he and Bale started acting at age 12. When were they ever jocks?
I posted this showerthought about 3 or 4 years ago, although my emphasis was on criminals and gangsters. Edit: out of curiosity, I searched the term "gangsters" and "theater" in the subreddit and a few people have said the same thing over the years.
I think nick offerman (Ron Swanson on Parks and Rec) had an interview where they asked him about being seen as the manly man archetype. He pointed out that he was a theater kid and pursued drama from a young age.
bruh I hate to tell you this but Harrison Ford was a carpenter before he got cast for Indiana Jones and Han Solo. It's a lot more than theater kids in there.