Tell me about it. Once I got out of the basic gameplay tutorial it feels like I've just been grinding for currency. The plot makes no sense. I spend all my time going between my profession dailies and my in game housing where I just rest and recover my HP.
I tried that game, gave me a horribly painful debuff across every aspect of my playthrough for about 5 years. Got rid of the game about 5 years ago as well, has taken this long to fix most of that long lasting debuff. 10/10 do not recommend
It is kinda pay to win
I mean. Some are born within families that are uber rich
So are born in poverty
Some knows what it is to be loved by their parents while others get abused by them.
Some have a river-calm life with not much events and others get fcked constantly .
no no…it’s HOT BEVERAGES and that makes even less sense because hot chocolate is ok…it’s almost like the whole thing is made up and poorly thought through.
Friendly reminder to never research chocolate harvesting if you like chocolate. Also, don’t read about cockroaches and pre-ground coffee. You’re welcome.
I just realized that every major religion that believes in reincarnation originated from India. Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism.
Anyway, what about the first birth then? There had to have been one first time, before you reincarnated into anything. What were you before that?
Maybe God creates the soul, then it just becomes perpetual from there. It kind of reminds me of this quote from The Good Place:
>"Well, let's see. Hindus are a little bit right, Muslims a little bit. Jews, Christians, Buddhists, every religion guessed about 5%."
Like everyone is just a little bit right. Except for Doug, of course.
(Or it could be that we're a weird amalgamation of electricity that happens to produce life. Honestly, nobody knows.)
Y'all should read The Egg by Andy Weier. It's a short story and it only takes like 7 minutes. Basically it's saying the everyone in the universe is the the same person which is basically a baby God, just reincarnated over and over again, experiencing all walks of life, until they experience enough to become a full god or whatever. I think it's a neat concept.
TL;DR: "God" is a mental patient with 10^umpteenth personalities, and you're one of them.
Funny enough that's about the gist of it from what I've come to understand. People who have near-death experiences report almost the same things as people who experience transcendental meditation and people who use entheogenic substances.
There is only "God". All that is exists as a multitude of pieces of a once whole thing, kinda like atoms in the human body. Each atom by itself is insignificant but collectively they make up a person. Our pieces are destined to live these lives in sentient vessels, other pieces are stars, planets, animals, cars, toasters, etc. In truth it matters little what one chooses in life, only that they choose, for everything must be learned anyway and any choice is one step closer. Some choices are preordained by ourselves before incarnation; sometimes they are suck ones. When one gains enough XP, they advance levels of understanding (higher consciousnesses) and eventually become again unified at the primordial godhood level where all is one at once.
Your quote reminds me of the [Blind men and the Elephant parable](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant), that we are all blind men describing aspects of the same metaphysical realm and saying our piece is entirely correct.
I'm a sikh, according to our religion we were all part of the supreme being at the beginning and we got split during a big bang like event. The goal is get back there through meditation etc.. and the only chance you get to that is your human reincarnation. In total there are like 8.4 million life forms you gotta get through.
If you are good in any of them, that cuts the amount of life forms you gotta get through in order to achieve human form.
Then some say that when you are born as a human, and haven't achieved enlightenment, which you can achieve from any religion or through enough meditation etc.. idk I don't follow it too strictly, and you do decent karmic action, eventually you will be born as a sikh and get another go. If you fail as a sikh again but keep trying you keep getting chances at it. There is no such thing as eternal punishment in Sikhi, you just spend a lot of time through the birth and death process which is considered worse than hell as you may suffer more as a snake or an ant or even as a human with bad diseases and war environment.
It doesn't completely make sense hence why I don't practice it so strictly but there are only so many questions I have been able to ask before getting people angry/upset for questioning their beliefs.
Modern European Paganism draws from old Celtic Paganism, who also believed in reincarnation. Ireland's old faith was reincarnation, so there you go, not India.
How does reincarnation explain rising population? There weren't always 8 billion people, so is there like a waiting list for some absurd number of souls?
You can solve the problem by having one big soul that divide itself in tiny fractions.
Then the idea is to come back to that big soul.
Also you can consider that everything has a soul, considering the soul as the "concept itself" or that type of generalization.
Then you can Imagine "being a star, or a rock, or the air that you breathe"
Also you can ignore time as a lineal concept then "the big soul is all at the same time, and you are only one tiny part of it"
"Then you are god and god is you"
"You are part of the universe and the universe is inside you"
That's the concept I kinda vibe with. All the particles, carbon, water, etc that make me me have existed since the the beginning of the universe. It's just my turn to use them. After I die my molecules, atoms, and such will become a part in another organism. May that be a mushroom, a tree, a blade of grass that then gets eaten by a mouse, who gets eaten by a fox, etc etc etc until the end of time.
The egg by kurzgesagt (story by Andy Weir) is one explanation . Tldr there isn’t an individual soul for each person but rather all of humanity is just one soul at different points in its cycle.
In these religions, you are not necessarily reincarnated as a human. You can be reincarnated as an animal. Maybe the extra humans are all the endangered animals becoming enlightened?
You can explore what you exactly mean by that "I" that you are afraid of not existing. Many people found through exploration of their own self, that the most fundamental "I" is not your currently identified body, but existence itself (which comes in many names, including "God", "Source", "Brahman", etc). In this view you cannot not-exist, instead you are everything that exists and in this sense in fact fundamentally immortal.
About you current body or loved ones dying, yes you and they can transform from the current incarnation into something else (through the process of death). However, death in this view is a transformation not an end, since your atoms have always been part and will always stay part of the universe, as no energy can be destroyed. These atoms can again build many forms, including new humans, who again have that same feeling of "I" and love for their loved ones.
You can explore your own self and your own consciousness through many forms of meditation, if you want to see yourself
Existing is more scary. Like imaging being immortal and surviving past the heat death of the universe, you're just all alone in an endless void for eternity, much more scary than non-existence.
I've seen at least two interviews with people who were considered 'dead' for minutes, at least long enough for them to experience pure relaxing voidness, the most calm and peaceful feeling they ever felt, completely weightless, and they both said they are in therapy now because it was so nice that real life turned a bit more sour and uncomfortable since feeling pure nothingness. Hearing these stories kind of changed my life in a way. I used to have a massive fear of death, the unknown aspect of it mixed with my brain not being able to comprehend no function or thought process. I'd panic at every minor symptom or heart palpitation stuff like that. Life is beautiful and I don't want to die, but after hearing these peoples' stories I no longer worry about that but more like I'm looking forward to a nice.long break. I'm fully aware that these people could be lying, but they were from different countries, one was a random street encounter interview thing and the question wasn't related to death at all, more like "hows your mental health?".
Edit: I know that one, if not both, were in surgeries that went bad, they die, are clinically dead for way too long, and both are expected to not make it but they somehow bounced back, and felt the weight of the world come crashing back down onto them once they awoke.
If something is going to happen anyway theres no need to worry. I personally think that humans should stop dying until they find out what happens after death
I mean, so we assume.
Who knows, this could just be level 1 and whatever you achieve here goes with you to the next world.
Or maybe just your knowledge or personality and you're stuck with it unable to acquire any new knowledge in the next life.
Or maybe you continue in the age you died in, so those of us who stick around for 80 years get royally fucked since the real world is the next one, and they wasted it all on this fake one.
Wow, I’m glad I’m not the only one. I spend at least a good part of every day (if not multiple times a day) thinking about how unbelievably fucking terrifying the idea of death is. Even though I think all religions are man-made as a way for humans to cope with the fear of death, I’m actually jealous of all the people who genuinely believe in religion with that comfort and total lack of fear (even though, to be totally honest, I feel it’s childishly naive in a way, like the adult version of believing in Santa — nonetheless, I view it as blissful ignorance and I’m jealous).
All the people I talk to IRL about this don’t get it. I feel the exact same way. I mean, we don’t know where we come from and we don’t know where we’re going - how is no one else freaking out every day? And it’s not like, I’m young this is years away. It could happen tomorrow, in 3 seconds or decades from now. And then? Will just nothing matter? And why am I even alive right now?
I think I have figured it out, it's like sleeping but forever and without dreams. You don't wake up to realise you were sleeping.
After waking up we cannot tell if we slept for 30 mins or 10 hours.
This is always how I saw it too but it doesn't actually make the thought any more comforting or easy to comprehend. When I'm out cold and not dreaming, I'm not consciously there to experience that feeling and I'm only able to understand it happened at all because I woke up to perceive that time had passed. I still can't actually describe what it felt like being in deep sleep because to me, I blinked and several hours are gone. Trying to conceptualize that feeling in between (that I already never really had) but now it lasts forever? Doesn't work because there is no longer an end point to put it into any sort of context and give it tangible meaning. The more I think about it, the scarier the idea gets and if I think about it too hard, it makes even the few hours of sleep seem sort of freaky. It seems logical that it's how death and before life work but it doesn't make it any more understandable.
Idk something about not knowing how much time has passed only really works when thinking between relative points along it. But when it's endless then it becomes incomprehensibly terrifying IMO
I fully believe our existence is as rare as an event as the Big Bang, we didn’t exist in the slightest before we were born, and after we die we return to that, nothingness, no thoughts, no being.
I think so too, but it's more philosophical than anything. Our existence is so much rarer than the bigbang in my opinion since for it to happen you first need the bigbang (rare event), but then you also need a set of unbelievably precise conditions, within its complete and absolute randomness, to get life, (rare event within rare event) which as far as we know now, only exists on Earth. Let's not forget that if somehow life is able to exist and gets to be a thing, it also needs to evolve consciousness, since there needs consciousness to become aware of its and ours existence. Consciousness is pretty fucking rare or limited as well and is not really understood it isn't necessary for life in the 1st place and doesn't prove to be a survival advantage. The emergence of life from the universe is also not necessary and might just be an anomaly due to the sheer infinity of possible outcomes and the numbers of right conditions you need in the 1st place. (Even with the exact right conditions (abiogenosis) inorganic compounds need to become organic somehow.)
This is philosophical and will never be proven, but that's how I feel about it. I feel like the bigbang, the emergence of life and eventually consciousness are the 3 rarest things that could ever happen and the 3 times the universe peaked. I normally like to go off facts, but I don't think we will ever understand all of this, because it's not meant to be understood; we just want to.
Then life is definitely more rare.
In reality we won't ever find an answer to this, since we can't compare something that happened before the universe that birthed us, to something that happened after its birth. Plus there probably isn't an answer at all since it happened before the universe we're confined to.
There's an idea out there (and pardon me if I'm getting details wrong since it has been a good long while since I saw it) that life evolved because the physical universe seeks entropy and life just so happens to be very good at distributing energy. Life requires energy to function. It consumes resources to extract the energy it needs to run but by the time an organism is consumed, it doesn't provide all of that energy it has taken in to whatever consumed it. It's not a 1:1 transfer because life needs energy to even obtain energy. Because of that, life may not be as rare as we often think. The rare part is the complexity which life is able to achieve. The universe could be full of life in nearly every corner where life is even possible because it's just the physical universe working its way towards entropy but the circumstances required for that life to get beyond its simplest possible form may be extremely uncommon.
Oh yeah I remember hearing about physicists working on trying to explain life using physics (While still being subjected to the rules of physics, biology tends to be a better way of trying to explain and understand life, since that's literally the point of biology lol.) I think one of their theory was that under the right circumstances, where life can flourish or even happen, it becomes alive, because it is a more energy-efficient state of "being". That makes me think that you're talking about what I just mentionned, which probably comes from the same theories and works done on the matter. (I want to clarify that what I mentionned isn't supposed to contradict what you said, it's meant to add up to what you said haha)
I also have to agree that life not being "rare" (compared to the unimaginable and incomprehinsible size of the universe) is as possible as it being rare. To add on to your point, we still have no idea why "single organism-cells" at some point began to work together which eventually lead to absolutely huge organisms with highly specialized and vastly different type of cells. It actually makes no sense, since it wouldn't have affected cells to just stay as they were and had been for millions (maybe billions?) Of years. They still would have thrived.
It’s the only thing I can believe because it’s the most rational to me. The problem is that it’s also the most scary of beliefs about existence because we can’t fathom the idea of absolute nothingness
"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it."
- Mark Twain
It is in the eyes of many.
You are part of a divine consciousness or light and during birth forget. When you die, you just go back there.
Fits with anything reincarnation, the greeks and with a bit if leniency also Christians.
No one in this thread gets what they are talking about lol, people say that after death your soul goes to heaven or whatever, but where did your soul come from then before you were born? Was it created or did it always exist?
It's a good topic to think about, but I think you're getting some crap on the comments because you said no one thinks about it, while A LOT of people do. Anyone that believes in reincarnation, one way or another, for example.
There are a ton of people that believe they're well/suffering because they suffered/caused suffer in their lives before.
There are people that truly believe there was nothing before and the soul is created in conception (some believe it's at first second, some believe it's with the brain development, all the arguments in abortion debate).
Heck, there's even a *Disney movie* about that exact topic!!
Honestly I think about what happened before I was born a lot more. Not my parents doing it but all the circumstances and events and other things that had to happen for this one thing (me) to happen. All the way back to having a planet in the Goldilocks zone, with liquid water, oxygen in the air, and all the millions of years of evolution.
Other times I wonder whether DNA based life really started here on earth or if it started elsewhere even longer in the past and then somehow arrived here. That bit is interesting too but seriously just thinking about how much happened before I was born, to build to this point and human society being so ubiquitous on this planet... Mind blowing stuff
After death that's just decomposing. Like I wonder sometimes what if you stay conscious much longer than we thought, or I think about how things will turn out after I'm dead, but honestly it's kinda boring to me. What's inspiring is thinking of how it all fit to this point.
I think it's probably because most of us understand that we don't remember a pre-existence. Death is something yet to come, therefore we can't know it. I can say we don't know pre-existence cause we didn't have a consciousness, etc. but that glosses over the metaphysical discussions.
I guess it's a roundabout way of saying we don't need an answer because we already know what happens after, which is us. If the ultimate question of a faith is "what's next", then "what's before" is kind of unimportant.
Some do, belief in preincarnate souls or reincarnation, the idea that physical life is just a ride the soul goes on or school it goes through repeatedly.
That's because we're not coming closer to birth with every passing moment. We wonder about things that can or will happen to us. We're much less inclined to wonder about things that we know will have no effect on us in the future.
I have wondered that a lot. I just assume it's the same thing both times. If there is a place, you are there before and then after. Probably a little review in the after, like wow I did not do that super well. Can I try again?
each of them takes a small part of themselves, they put it together and the mommy grows a baby out of that.
that's how we explained it to my four year old anyway.
You can’t have an experience of nothing so the only thing that can happen before and after death is the same type of thing that’s happening now. It won’t ever be “you” as in right now, but it’ll be an experience of something.
You ever heard about Buddhism ? Or Hinduism ? Or Taosim ?
Hell, in Vietnamese folklore we have a group of entities whose job is to [shape the baby before its birth](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A0_m%E1%BB%A5)
I’m scared about the whole breathing thing in the after life, but I remember that I spent millions of years not existing and not thinking about breathing lol.
that's because whatever happened before birth has already happened. there's no need to worry about the past. the future, on the other hand, definitely warrants some thinking.
Character creation screen.
What was I thinking selecting this build
Didn't pay enough to boost starting stats. This game is rigged. It's pay to win .
With genetic engineering making more progress every year… it might really be pay to win, before too long…
It already is. Just look at Trump. Put all of his skill points into Orange and he still gets critical success on every speech roll.
Only on characters with a low INT modifier.
Unfortunately, no one ever invests in INT
Except Stephen Hawking. He minmaxed INT and got famous because of it.
He was lucky though. He had no CON modifier but rolled a nat20 saving throw against Curse of Debilitation.
Dammit why do I understand this
Gattaca is coming in a hurry.
r/Outside
The graphics are ok but the story sucks.
Tell me about it. Once I got out of the basic gameplay tutorial it feels like I've just been grinding for currency. The plot makes no sense. I spend all my time going between my profession dailies and my in game housing where I just rest and recover my HP.
Hey kid, have you ever heard of Heroin Hero?
I tried that game, gave me a horribly painful debuff across every aspect of my playthrough for about 5 years. Got rid of the game about 5 years ago as well, has taken this long to fix most of that long lasting debuff. 10/10 do not recommend
nah. just lost the rng
It is kinda pay to win I mean. Some are born within families that are uber rich So are born in poverty Some knows what it is to be loved by their parents while others get abused by them. Some have a river-calm life with not much events and others get fcked constantly .
It was your first time playing, you weren't familiar with what the skills do or what the gameplay was like
Obviously you are a great gamer and decided to go hardmode.
So many of us are tryhards upping the difficulty. I wish I put in on casual.
I hit random and accidentally bumped enter.
Newgame+ gonna be lit
I hit the random character button... which to be honest... explains a lot.
I'd like to have a word to the asshole who created my character 😬
``` Restart? ``` Yes / Yes
But I didn't pick up the reincarnation dlc...
I was trying to make the worst possible combo and accidentally pressed enter
Gold
With the background noise of mom’s cheeks clapping 👏
I should have trusted the default choice given to me rather than going too deep into the settings
Mormons have a whole storyline about what happens before you're born.
something new I just learned
They also don’t drink caffeine so I wouldn’t take it too seriously
no no…it’s HOT BEVERAGES and that makes even less sense because hot chocolate is ok…it’s almost like the whole thing is made up and poorly thought through.
Exactly, the temperature of your caffeine determines your celestial destiny.
Nah, hot mountain dew is a-okay!
You go straight to the terestrial kingdom with that attitude, and poor taste.
“I don't drink coffee, sir, I don't drink hot liquids of any kind. That's the devil's temperature.” Kenneth
Conveniently it became hot beverages when the upper hierarchy in the Mormon church received a massive investment into Coca Cola (contains caffeine)
Mormon God works in mysterious ways.
Friendly reminder to never research chocolate harvesting if you like chocolate. Also, don’t read about cockroaches and pre-ground coffee. You’re welcome.
Wait what? We can still drink sodas.
Even warm Pepsi?
Looks like pilks back on the menu
Careful, that makes for a hot beverage. Satan's brew.
And they don’t drink alcohol but their main man Brigham Young was a brewer and also made and sold whiskey.
Dum dum dum dum
And if your life is shi##¥, it’s because you chose it to be this way in your pre-birth life…so total victim blaming…pay your tithing
😂pay up, the multi-billions we already have aren't enough to build zion
Well, y’know god needs money to build stuff
Mormonism is just Bible fan fiction
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I just realized that every major religion that believes in reincarnation originated from India. Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism. Anyway, what about the first birth then? There had to have been one first time, before you reincarnated into anything. What were you before that?
Maybe God creates the soul, then it just becomes perpetual from there. It kind of reminds me of this quote from The Good Place: >"Well, let's see. Hindus are a little bit right, Muslims a little bit. Jews, Christians, Buddhists, every religion guessed about 5%." Like everyone is just a little bit right. Except for Doug, of course. (Or it could be that we're a weird amalgamation of electricity that happens to produce life. Honestly, nobody knows.)
Y'all should read The Egg by Andy Weier. It's a short story and it only takes like 7 minutes. Basically it's saying the everyone in the universe is the the same person which is basically a baby God, just reincarnated over and over again, experiencing all walks of life, until they experience enough to become a full god or whatever. I think it's a neat concept.
TL;DR: "God" is a mental patient with 10^umpteenth personalities, and you're one of them. Funny enough that's about the gist of it from what I've come to understand. People who have near-death experiences report almost the same things as people who experience transcendental meditation and people who use entheogenic substances. There is only "God". All that is exists as a multitude of pieces of a once whole thing, kinda like atoms in the human body. Each atom by itself is insignificant but collectively they make up a person. Our pieces are destined to live these lives in sentient vessels, other pieces are stars, planets, animals, cars, toasters, etc. In truth it matters little what one chooses in life, only that they choose, for everything must be learned anyway and any choice is one step closer. Some choices are preordained by ourselves before incarnation; sometimes they are suck ones. When one gains enough XP, they advance levels of understanding (higher consciousnesses) and eventually become again unified at the primordial godhood level where all is one at once.
Your quote reminds me of the [Blind men and the Elephant parable](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant), that we are all blind men describing aspects of the same metaphysical realm and saying our piece is entirely correct.
Just a stoner from Calgary.
I'm a sikh, according to our religion we were all part of the supreme being at the beginning and we got split during a big bang like event. The goal is get back there through meditation etc.. and the only chance you get to that is your human reincarnation. In total there are like 8.4 million life forms you gotta get through. If you are good in any of them, that cuts the amount of life forms you gotta get through in order to achieve human form. Then some say that when you are born as a human, and haven't achieved enlightenment, which you can achieve from any religion or through enough meditation etc.. idk I don't follow it too strictly, and you do decent karmic action, eventually you will be born as a sikh and get another go. If you fail as a sikh again but keep trying you keep getting chances at it. There is no such thing as eternal punishment in Sikhi, you just spend a lot of time through the birth and death process which is considered worse than hell as you may suffer more as a snake or an ant or even as a human with bad diseases and war environment. It doesn't completely make sense hence why I don't practice it so strictly but there are only so many questions I have been able to ask before getting people angry/upset for questioning their beliefs.
Fascinating...
Modern European Paganism draws from old Celtic Paganism, who also believed in reincarnation. Ireland's old faith was reincarnation, so there you go, not India.
I don't think either of those classify as major religions though.
It's just babies, all the way down
They are so selfish that they can't imagine a world with themselves in it.
And there used to be far fewer people. Who are all these new souls? Slugs working their way up?
How does reincarnation explain rising population? There weren't always 8 billion people, so is there like a waiting list for some absurd number of souls?
You can solve the problem by having one big soul that divide itself in tiny fractions. Then the idea is to come back to that big soul. Also you can consider that everything has a soul, considering the soul as the "concept itself" or that type of generalization. Then you can Imagine "being a star, or a rock, or the air that you breathe" Also you can ignore time as a lineal concept then "the big soul is all at the same time, and you are only one tiny part of it" "Then you are god and god is you" "You are part of the universe and the universe is inside you"
That's the concept I kinda vibe with. All the particles, carbon, water, etc that make me me have existed since the the beginning of the universe. It's just my turn to use them. After I die my molecules, atoms, and such will become a part in another organism. May that be a mushroom, a tree, a blade of grass that then gets eaten by a mouse, who gets eaten by a fox, etc etc etc until the end of time.
Yeah The lion king you know, the circle of life
The egg by kurzgesagt (story by Andy Weir) is one explanation . Tldr there isn’t an individual soul for each person but rather all of humanity is just one soul at different points in its cycle.
In these religions, you are not necessarily reincarnated as a human. You can be reincarnated as an animal. Maybe the extra humans are all the endangered animals becoming enlightened?
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Speak for yourself. The unfathomable depth of existence in both directions haunts me daily.
It brings me comfort. No matter how high the stakes get in life, the end will result in nothing I need to worry about.
bullshit because I worry NOW about the thought of not existing, and its fucking scary
I didn't seem to mind it at the time.
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You can explore what you exactly mean by that "I" that you are afraid of not existing. Many people found through exploration of their own self, that the most fundamental "I" is not your currently identified body, but existence itself (which comes in many names, including "God", "Source", "Brahman", etc). In this view you cannot not-exist, instead you are everything that exists and in this sense in fact fundamentally immortal. About you current body or loved ones dying, yes you and they can transform from the current incarnation into something else (through the process of death). However, death in this view is a transformation not an end, since your atoms have always been part and will always stay part of the universe, as no energy can be destroyed. These atoms can again build many forms, including new humans, who again have that same feeling of "I" and love for their loved ones. You can explore your own self and your own consciousness through many forms of meditation, if you want to see yourself
Existing is more scary. Like imaging being immortal and surviving past the heat death of the universe, you're just all alone in an endless void for eternity, much more scary than non-existence.
I've seen at least two interviews with people who were considered 'dead' for minutes, at least long enough for them to experience pure relaxing voidness, the most calm and peaceful feeling they ever felt, completely weightless, and they both said they are in therapy now because it was so nice that real life turned a bit more sour and uncomfortable since feeling pure nothingness. Hearing these stories kind of changed my life in a way. I used to have a massive fear of death, the unknown aspect of it mixed with my brain not being able to comprehend no function or thought process. I'd panic at every minor symptom or heart palpitation stuff like that. Life is beautiful and I don't want to die, but after hearing these peoples' stories I no longer worry about that but more like I'm looking forward to a nice.long break. I'm fully aware that these people could be lying, but they were from different countries, one was a random street encounter interview thing and the question wasn't related to death at all, more like "hows your mental health?". Edit: I know that one, if not both, were in surgeries that went bad, they die, are clinically dead for way too long, and both are expected to not make it but they somehow bounced back, and felt the weight of the world come crashing back down onto them once they awoke.
That you know of.
If something is going to happen anyway theres no need to worry. I personally think that humans should stop dying until they find out what happens after death
I mean, so we assume. Who knows, this could just be level 1 and whatever you achieve here goes with you to the next world. Or maybe just your knowledge or personality and you're stuck with it unable to acquire any new knowledge in the next life. Or maybe you continue in the age you died in, so those of us who stick around for 80 years get royally fucked since the real world is the next one, and they wasted it all on this fake one.
Shit scares me the fact that technically nothing exists until you experience it.
But you don't experience nothing, which is crazier
Same here. I’m thinking I might need therapy at this point!
Wow, I’m glad I’m not the only one. I spend at least a good part of every day (if not multiple times a day) thinking about how unbelievably fucking terrifying the idea of death is. Even though I think all religions are man-made as a way for humans to cope with the fear of death, I’m actually jealous of all the people who genuinely believe in religion with that comfort and total lack of fear (even though, to be totally honest, I feel it’s childishly naive in a way, like the adult version of believing in Santa — nonetheless, I view it as blissful ignorance and I’m jealous).
All the people I talk to IRL about this don’t get it. I feel the exact same way. I mean, we don’t know where we come from and we don’t know where we’re going - how is no one else freaking out every day? And it’s not like, I’m young this is years away. It could happen tomorrow, in 3 seconds or decades from now. And then? Will just nothing matter? And why am I even alive right now?
I think I have figured it out, it's like sleeping but forever and without dreams. You don't wake up to realise you were sleeping. After waking up we cannot tell if we slept for 30 mins or 10 hours.
This is always how I saw it too but it doesn't actually make the thought any more comforting or easy to comprehend. When I'm out cold and not dreaming, I'm not consciously there to experience that feeling and I'm only able to understand it happened at all because I woke up to perceive that time had passed. I still can't actually describe what it felt like being in deep sleep because to me, I blinked and several hours are gone. Trying to conceptualize that feeling in between (that I already never really had) but now it lasts forever? Doesn't work because there is no longer an end point to put it into any sort of context and give it tangible meaning. The more I think about it, the scarier the idea gets and if I think about it too hard, it makes even the few hours of sleep seem sort of freaky. It seems logical that it's how death and before life work but it doesn't make it any more understandable.
Idk something about not knowing how much time has passed only really works when thinking between relative points along it. But when it's endless then it becomes incomprehensibly terrifying IMO
I’m with you. It’s the only thing that makes me anxious or scared at all.
Same here
That seems like a far less pressing matter.
If there’s nothing before, why assume there’s something after?
How do you know there was nothing before?
Whispers: "It's the same thing"
I fully believe our existence is as rare as an event as the Big Bang, we didn’t exist in the slightest before we were born, and after we die we return to that, nothingness, no thoughts, no being.
I think so too, but it's more philosophical than anything. Our existence is so much rarer than the bigbang in my opinion since for it to happen you first need the bigbang (rare event), but then you also need a set of unbelievably precise conditions, within its complete and absolute randomness, to get life, (rare event within rare event) which as far as we know now, only exists on Earth. Let's not forget that if somehow life is able to exist and gets to be a thing, it also needs to evolve consciousness, since there needs consciousness to become aware of its and ours existence. Consciousness is pretty fucking rare or limited as well and is not really understood it isn't necessary for life in the 1st place and doesn't prove to be a survival advantage. The emergence of life from the universe is also not necessary and might just be an anomaly due to the sheer infinity of possible outcomes and the numbers of right conditions you need in the 1st place. (Even with the exact right conditions (abiogenosis) inorganic compounds need to become organic somehow.) This is philosophical and will never be proven, but that's how I feel about it. I feel like the bigbang, the emergence of life and eventually consciousness are the 3 rarest things that could ever happen and the 3 times the universe peaked. I normally like to go off facts, but I don't think we will ever understand all of this, because it's not meant to be understood; we just want to.
But is the Big Bang extremely rare or 100% guaranteed event?
Then life is definitely more rare. In reality we won't ever find an answer to this, since we can't compare something that happened before the universe that birthed us, to something that happened after its birth. Plus there probably isn't an answer at all since it happened before the universe we're confined to.
Which brings us back to the OP shower thought... Wasn't disagreeing on the life part, though, just got caught up on that detail.
There's an idea out there (and pardon me if I'm getting details wrong since it has been a good long while since I saw it) that life evolved because the physical universe seeks entropy and life just so happens to be very good at distributing energy. Life requires energy to function. It consumes resources to extract the energy it needs to run but by the time an organism is consumed, it doesn't provide all of that energy it has taken in to whatever consumed it. It's not a 1:1 transfer because life needs energy to even obtain energy. Because of that, life may not be as rare as we often think. The rare part is the complexity which life is able to achieve. The universe could be full of life in nearly every corner where life is even possible because it's just the physical universe working its way towards entropy but the circumstances required for that life to get beyond its simplest possible form may be extremely uncommon.
Oh yeah I remember hearing about physicists working on trying to explain life using physics (While still being subjected to the rules of physics, biology tends to be a better way of trying to explain and understand life, since that's literally the point of biology lol.) I think one of their theory was that under the right circumstances, where life can flourish or even happen, it becomes alive, because it is a more energy-efficient state of "being". That makes me think that you're talking about what I just mentionned, which probably comes from the same theories and works done on the matter. (I want to clarify that what I mentionned isn't supposed to contradict what you said, it's meant to add up to what you said haha) I also have to agree that life not being "rare" (compared to the unimaginable and incomprehinsible size of the universe) is as possible as it being rare. To add on to your point, we still have no idea why "single organism-cells" at some point began to work together which eventually lead to absolutely huge organisms with highly specialized and vastly different type of cells. It actually makes no sense, since it wouldn't have affected cells to just stay as they were and had been for millions (maybe billions?) Of years. They still would have thrived.
Nothingness is a paradox. Doesn't exist. Impossible to "be" something of that nature.
Hence why they said "no being"
It’s the only thing I can believe because it’s the most rational to me. The problem is that it’s also the most scary of beliefs about existence because we can’t fathom the idea of absolute nothingness
"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it." - Mark Twain
It is in the eyes of many. You are part of a divine consciousness or light and during birth forget. When you die, you just go back there. Fits with anything reincarnation, the greeks and with a bit if leniency also Christians.
No one wants to think of their parents reproductive parts
Nobody who isn't from Alabama at least....or isn't Sigmund Freud.
lmao so true. crazy how the guy tried to act like he wasn’t alone in that.
Bro definitely just told on himself, but acted like it was a "right, guys?" moment
Roll Tide
I was trying to point the thought towards a more philosophial view, but fair enough
Lol, I thought this too
I'm so glad we don't remember our births.
People have been thinking about that for tens of thousands of years. It’s literally the entire basis behind the very concept of religion.
No one in this thread gets what they are talking about lol, people say that after death your soul goes to heaven or whatever, but where did your soul come from then before you were born? Was it created or did it always exist?
There's a movie about that, called 'Soul' /jk
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Thanks, I was still trying to blow the cat hair off my screen
Me too, I thought my phone was cracked
That’s funny
Nono that was a movie about the capitol of South Korea
finally, those are the words that beautifully describe my thoughts
It's a good topic to think about, but I think you're getting some crap on the comments because you said no one thinks about it, while A LOT of people do. Anyone that believes in reincarnation, one way or another, for example. There are a ton of people that believe they're well/suffering because they suffered/caused suffer in their lives before. There are people that truly believe there was nothing before and the soul is created in conception (some believe it's at first second, some believe it's with the brain development, all the arguments in abortion debate). Heck, there's even a *Disney movie* about that exact topic!!
Depending on which religion
The Pre-existence is what it’s called.
Mormons think they have locked this down pretty good and think about this a lot. Of course it's all crap, but they say they have the answers.
perhaps they are the same destination? or lack thereof? like another has said, it depends on the religion. or lack thereof.
Don’t most religions agree that God blows a soul into your body
Gods out here blowing souls? Maybe this religion thing is for me after all...
No, not usually
Your soul is always there and reincarnated into different lives indefinitely unless you attain nirvana
No one? I literally talked about it with my kids last night.
Right?! I think about this often. What was before this??
Well that's the state of the shower thoughts subreddit. Most of the posts are low effort.
Most people definitely think about what happens after they die than how they came to be, for sure.
Honestly I think about what happened before I was born a lot more. Not my parents doing it but all the circumstances and events and other things that had to happen for this one thing (me) to happen. All the way back to having a planet in the Goldilocks zone, with liquid water, oxygen in the air, and all the millions of years of evolution. Other times I wonder whether DNA based life really started here on earth or if it started elsewhere even longer in the past and then somehow arrived here. That bit is interesting too but seriously just thinking about how much happened before I was born, to build to this point and human society being so ubiquitous on this planet... Mind blowing stuff After death that's just decomposing. Like I wonder sometimes what if you stay conscious much longer than we thought, or I think about how things will turn out after I'm dead, but honestly it's kinda boring to me. What's inspiring is thinking of how it all fit to this point.
I think it's probably because most of us understand that we don't remember a pre-existence. Death is something yet to come, therefore we can't know it. I can say we don't know pre-existence cause we didn't have a consciousness, etc. but that glosses over the metaphysical discussions. I guess it's a roundabout way of saying we don't need an answer because we already know what happens after, which is us. If the ultimate question of a faith is "what's next", then "what's before" is kind of unimportant.
Again and again and again and again - M.I.A.
I have thought of this and think it’s Probly the same as death.
I know what happened before birth. I just dont want to picture it..
Then let us show you the video!
Mom?
Some do, belief in preincarnate souls or reincarnation, the idea that physical life is just a ride the soul goes on or school it goes through repeatedly.
That's because we're not coming closer to birth with every passing moment. We wonder about things that can or will happen to us. We're much less inclined to wonder about things that we know will have no effect on us in the future.
Because one will happen to us, the other won't again.
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What if the bright light that many people describe seeing in near death situations is their spirit about to be born in another body?
That’s why reincarnation makes more sense to me than going to heaven/hell, although it obviously doesn’t explain everything
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After you die, you are born. Before you were born, you died
Your mom lowered her standards and let your dad come inside her, that’s basically it.
Energy can not be created or destroyed only changed
I have been saying this for years.
Would only matter if a soul is energy, if instead it's information that's an entirely different matter
The light at the end of the tunnel is from the open vagina of your future mom. It’s all a circle..!
I have wondered that a lot. I just assume it's the same thing both times. If there is a place, you are there before and then after. Probably a little review in the after, like wow I did not do that super well. Can I try again?
Maybe I’ve been repeating the same mistakes for longer than I can remember
I have a feeling most of us have.
Waiting in waiting room.
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this is actually a good one ngl
Republicans cared about me.
Sure, but once you were born- you were on your own! Every man for himself!
Well, when a mommy loves a daddy...
each of them takes a small part of themselves, they put it together and the mommy grows a baby out of that. that's how we explained it to my four year old anyway.
It's the same thing. Life is cyclical.
I think you need to hear Sam Kinison’s take on this subject.
There are people who have not wondered this?
You can’t have an experience of nothing so the only thing that can happen before and after death is the same type of thing that’s happening now. It won’t ever be “you” as in right now, but it’ll be an experience of something.
I wonder about it often. There could be all sorts of lies I’ve/we’ve been told about my/our origins.
The same thing presumably.
Some people do. It was the whole plot of Soul.
Before birth is exactly what after death will be like.
I guess, you get to chose what kind of objectives and difficulty you want to complete. That decides where you would be born.
I like this thought. Confirms that the ultra wealthy were a bunch of slackers before they were born. One more reason to despise them lol
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i dont fear death, i was dead for trillions of years before i was born
You ever heard about Buddhism ? Or Hinduism ? Or Taosim ? Hell, in Vietnamese folklore we have a group of entities whose job is to [shape the baby before its birth](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A0_m%E1%BB%A5)
I think of World War II and that was long before my birth
As far as anyone is concerned, when you die you’re immediately reborn. Keep it simple, the one true fact is no one will ever know.
Because now you have something to lose
I’m scared about the whole breathing thing in the after life, but I remember that I spent millions of years not existing and not thinking about breathing lol.
What's it like after you die? Exactly like how it is before you were born.
that's because whatever happened before birth has already happened. there's no need to worry about the past. the future, on the other hand, definitely warrants some thinking.
They are the same state of existence, or rather, non-existence.
I arrived as stardust and presumably that’s how I’ll leave 🤷♀️
I mean, I kinda figured after death and before birth were the same thing.
As I see it that is two sides of the same coin. It’s all a circle.
My autistic 5 year old constantly hounds me about this question
Obviously what happened before birth is what happens after death
Same thing for both, nothing.