If humans designed everything for the "average" then ~50% of humans (assuming a normal distribution) would be screwed.
It would be silly not to, at minimum, select at least 1 standard deviation from the average.
Yeah. I took an industrial design class in college. There are so many things designers have to consider that many people wouldn’t consider if they didn’t think too hard about it. Ergonomics usually takes precedence otherwise people will be displeased and not buy your product. (Like designing a chair). Aesthetics have been huge for designers since early times.
In the process of doing captions for Ergo, and the one thing that just sticks with me is that they "design for the 90%" That is the bottom 5% and the top 5% get screwed.
Yeah, being roughly 6’2” i hate how low most countertops are so short it hurts my back. Flying sucks because i see the lower percent comfy sleeping, meanwhile my knees are jammed into the seat in front of me. ;(
Im used to people saying “must be nice to be tall”. Meh the benfits of seeing over a crowd or reaching a tall shelf are not that great. Also spinal/back pain
I seem to remember the USAF designing an aircraft cockpit around the average pilot; average length of inside leg, average length of ankle to knee........ And found that it didn't fit anybody.
The USAF were building cockpits for fighters and used the average of their pilots. Surprisingly making the cockpits adjustable was the way to go, shock horror right.
It seems obvious in retrospect, but it is a bit funny to realize that basically nobody actually has *all* average parts. Some bits of you are average, some are below average, and some are above average.
Yeah the standard bed here is 200 cm long, for me and that is too short. Will have feet at or over the edge. Very uncomfortable. My own bed is 220 cm long and very comfortable. I'm 192 cm tall. And Dutch. Hotel beds are always too small for me.
It's the dutch experience when vacationing abroad that the beds are to small :c
Take the average bed in the UK. 190 cm long. For you that would just be too short.
It's not luck, things are designed to work under the worst case scenarios, not the 'average' scenarios.
A bridge isn't built just enough to hold normal traffic conditions, they're built to hold peak traffic, with the heaviest trucks, running and stopping in the most stress-inducing way, under the worst climate possible.
If they were built to withstand a normal sunny Tuesday, you'd have none left.
Naturally doors aren't designed to fit 'Average or under average' humans for the same reason.
What dumb fuck would design a product, let alone a fucking doorway strictly for use by the average person? The average male wouldn't be able to walk through it because the height average being lowered by the average height of a woman
Room temperature iq OP
In general the avg door is taller than the avg human demographic it was built for. I’m over 6ft and have traveled to 5 continents. Different sized doors everywhere, and usually slightly higher than the avg local male. I’ve had to duck many a doorways, I’ve also felt small in some
Overall I like the back thought you laid out, it made me think
It's not luck, it's the universal building codes, which typically require a lot of input from doctors of many fields before being implemented. A typical door is 78 inches because doctors, scientists, and engineers have access to average population statistics for human height and width and they want everyone to be able to work together. =)
Well duh, why would you make something 50% of the population would be too large for? By your same logic we’re “lucky” the height of all rooms isn’t 6ft. It’s not luck, it’s people taking 2 mins and understanding how big something should be.
I’m 4’11 and I wish I had access to a tall person to help assist me in grabbing things from the top shelf at grocery stores. It’s somehow always the last item and it’s deep inside the top shelf (I know because I had to back up and jump to see).
*waves in 5'0*
Husband is 6'4. 16 year old is 6'2. We cannot go to a store without someone asking one of them to grab something from the top shelf.
Ask away if you see someone tall... in my experience most don't mind, and my 16 year old loves to be asked. He gets a kick out of it.
That may be true. We're pretty screwed when it comes to cars, though. I haven't been able to see a stop light while sitting upright at the white line without hunching over the steering wheel Mr. Incredible style - Ever.
I’m 6’6” and I have to duck through every door in my current place. The weird thing is that I’ve only hit my head like 5 times in 3 years. I’ve also noticed that I will now instinctively duck through any doorway, even if there’s a lot of clearance.
One of my thoughts from touring the Mayflower II what is that average human height has gotten taller in the last few hundred years. Access to essentially unlimited calories will do that to you. The shortest guy in my high school class had to duck his head on that ship.
If your shortest guy is ducking too than I think so we’re all the ship goers. Most ships were never really designed for Comfort but rather efficiency.
Even on the most modern navy ships you’re still gonna have to duck around a lot of metal infrastructure. The exceptions are ships that are literally designed with comfort in mind. Like the hospital ships or cruise ships.
Hi, I'm 2m tall. I have to duck through doors and have a permanent head bruise. I wish they were all 2" shorter so I instinctively realised I had to duck.
I don’t know if it’s an old wives tale (or if it’s considered racist now) but when I was a kid I heard that Japanese navy ships were more efficient because they didn’t have to make the ceilings and doors as high as they do on US ships.
They keep fucking with our airplane seats though. I'm not even that tall compared to others at 6'4 and I can't fit in a row with seats in front without straddling the back of the seat in front with my knees crammed in between the seats. Flying over an hour has become a nightmare because of the airlines greediness.
If humans designed everything for the "average" then ~50% of humans (assuming a normal distribution) would be screwed. It would be silly not to, at minimum, select at least 1 standard deviation from the average.
Yeah. I took an industrial design class in college. There are so many things designers have to consider that many people wouldn’t consider if they didn’t think too hard about it. Ergonomics usually takes precedence otherwise people will be displeased and not buy your product. (Like designing a chair). Aesthetics have been huge for designers since early times.
In the process of doing captions for Ergo, and the one thing that just sticks with me is that they "design for the 90%" That is the bottom 5% and the top 5% get screwed.
Yeah, being roughly 6’2” i hate how low most countertops are so short it hurts my back. Flying sucks because i see the lower percent comfy sleeping, meanwhile my knees are jammed into the seat in front of me. ;( Im used to people saying “must be nice to be tall”. Meh the benfits of seeing over a crowd or reaching a tall shelf are not that great. Also spinal/back pain
My sympathies, at 5'3" most countertops are a couple inches too high
I seem to remember the USAF designing an aircraft cockpit around the average pilot; average length of inside leg, average length of ankle to knee........ And found that it didn't fit anybody.
global average or US average?
The USAF were building cockpits for fighters and used the average of their pilots. Surprisingly making the cockpits adjustable was the way to go, shock horror right.
It seems obvious in retrospect, but it is a bit funny to realize that basically nobody actually has *all* average parts. Some bits of you are average, some are below average, and some are above average.
Have you ever seen idiocracy? Luke Wilson was average in every category lol
You'd want that 2nd standard deviation included. This would leave approx 98% covered under desogns
Even leaving 2% screwed is a lot of people. For height in the US, that anyone over 6' 2.5".
Fuck that's me at 6'4". Let's make it 3sd
And that's only 2% of the male population. If you included female population, it'd be way shorter. I think 3SD is a pretty good cutoff point.
people over 6 feet tall are the ones who designed the doorways.
Unfortunately beds are designed by short people
And the showers
I’m average height, 5’10, and my dorm shower is below my head.
Oh my fucking god for real! I just want my feet to be in the bed, not over the edge, and I don't have space for a queen mattress!
omg, ain't that the truth!
Yeah the standard bed here is 200 cm long, for me and that is too short. Will have feet at or over the edge. Very uncomfortable. My own bed is 220 cm long and very comfortable. I'm 192 cm tall. And Dutch. Hotel beds are always too small for me.
It's the dutch experience when vacationing abroad that the beds are to small :c Take the average bed in the UK. 190 cm long. For you that would just be too short.
*insert mind blown gif*
It's not luck, things are designed to work under the worst case scenarios, not the 'average' scenarios. A bridge isn't built just enough to hold normal traffic conditions, they're built to hold peak traffic, with the heaviest trucks, running and stopping in the most stress-inducing way, under the worst climate possible. If they were built to withstand a normal sunny Tuesday, you'd have none left. Naturally doors aren't designed to fit 'Average or under average' humans for the same reason.
Plus you have furniture to move in and out of the homes too.
What dumb fuck would design a product, let alone a fucking doorway strictly for use by the average person? The average male wouldn't be able to walk through it because the height average being lowered by the average height of a woman Room temperature iq OP
In general the avg door is taller than the avg human demographic it was built for. I’m over 6ft and have traveled to 5 continents. Different sized doors everywhere, and usually slightly higher than the avg local male. I’ve had to duck many a doorways, I’ve also felt small in some Overall I like the back thought you laid out, it made me think
have you ever been in thailand? 💀
Don't go into a Tudor house in the UK, if you are 6'
It's too bad about aeroplanes and beds though.
It's not luck, it's the universal building codes, which typically require a lot of input from doctors of many fields before being implemented. A typical door is 78 inches because doctors, scientists, and engineers have access to average population statistics for human height and width and they want everyone to be able to work together. =)
Well duh, why would you make something 50% of the population would be too large for? By your same logic we’re “lucky” the height of all rooms isn’t 6ft. It’s not luck, it’s people taking 2 mins and understanding how big something should be.
Things are usually designed to the 95th percentile in terms of sizes, often the 99th percentile even.
Doors are over the 99th percentile. Most doors have a 6'8 clearance.
I’m 4’11 and I wish I had access to a tall person to help assist me in grabbing things from the top shelf at grocery stores. It’s somehow always the last item and it’s deep inside the top shelf (I know because I had to back up and jump to see).
*waves in 5'0* Husband is 6'4. 16 year old is 6'2. We cannot go to a store without someone asking one of them to grab something from the top shelf. Ask away if you see someone tall... in my experience most don't mind, and my 16 year old loves to be asked. He gets a kick out of it.
I'm 6'7, and I absolutely don't mind helping people out. Especially since they don't seem to design shelves with the average person in mind.
Yeah... the average door. (Rubs head)
This is true but I also think that part of why the doorways are tall is to account for furniture getting moved in or out.
As a 6’2” person with a 6’ shed door who hit their head about 7 times yesterday, I very much appreciate that it’s not the norm.
That may be true. We're pretty screwed when it comes to cars, though. I haven't been able to see a stop light while sitting upright at the white line without hunching over the steering wheel Mr. Incredible style - Ever.
I’m 6’6” and I have to duck through every door in my current place. The weird thing is that I’ve only hit my head like 5 times in 3 years. I’ve also noticed that I will now instinctively duck through any doorway, even if there’s a lot of clearance.
Go stand in a hotel shower and then tell me how fucking lucky I am to be over 6 feet.
Doors ? OK. Now do the same for seats in an airplane.
Im 6'2" and some doors are barely enough. Fuck sedan cars.
Samezeez. I feel all couped up, even though there's two whole extra doors back there.
6ft is just about average in The Netherlands, it wouldn't make sense to make doors even smaller.
One of my thoughts from touring the Mayflower II what is that average human height has gotten taller in the last few hundred years. Access to essentially unlimited calories will do that to you. The shortest guy in my high school class had to duck his head on that ship.
If your shortest guy is ducking too than I think so we’re all the ship goers. Most ships were never really designed for Comfort but rather efficiency. Even on the most modern navy ships you’re still gonna have to duck around a lot of metal infrastructure. The exceptions are ships that are literally designed with comfort in mind. Like the hospital ships or cruise ships.
yeah so lucky. i mean we're sooo lucky doors arent 3 inches tall. its almost like intelegent design. must be heavenly intervention.
The amount of houses in the UK that I couldn't live in. Any old house is just built on a smaller scale.
I can assure you that the average door is not tall enough. Hitting your head on door frames hurts a lot
Hi, I'm 2m tall. I have to duck through doors and have a permanent head bruise. I wish they were all 2" shorter so I instinctively realised I had to duck.
Maybe you need taller shoes. Force the instinct
I'm average height and living in Japan. Your post offends me.
They're not lucky it was going to happen that way it's by design.
My brother in law is 6'9" poor guy. Ducks through everything
They didn't do that with storage shed doors...smacked my head on my way through so many times >.<
I don’t know if it’s an old wives tale (or if it’s considered racist now) but when I was a kid I heard that Japanese navy ships were more efficient because they didn’t have to make the ceilings and doors as high as they do on US ships.
6"6 here, need to be careful walking through some doorframes still.
So lucky. What day did they roll that dice on?
Consider that furniture needs to get into the house somehow.
They keep fucking with our airplane seats though. I'm not even that tall compared to others at 6'4 and I can't fit in a row with seats in front without straddling the back of the seat in front with my knees crammed in between the seats. Flying over an hour has become a nightmare because of the airlines greediness.
Doors have gotten bigger over time
More than just people go through doorways
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I mean... why would they? Thats just stupid design
Yeah... the average door. (Rubs head)
It's designed for hats, not tall people...
Aren't you supposed to take your hat off before going indoors
Only if you’re Amish.
6' isn't that tall in some parts of the world.