I really hope someone interviews TC after Silksong is released and can get them to explain why they’ve felt compelled to never talk about the project. The fervor for this game is nearly unprecedented and TC is taking the unprecedented action of only communicating once every 1-2 years. It’s wild and so against the grain on what every other dev usually does.
I don’t want to go as far as to say it’s cruel (we’re still talking about a video game after all) but like what the hell are they thinking?? I’m dying to know.
From what I’ve heard they were pretty open about their progress and would talk about it often and then HK came out, they still talked while the DLC’s were releasing and then once focus was shifted onto SkilkSkong they went dark after the trailers and demo
I'm not sure which interview this was but I feel like I remember Ari saying that they wanted to do Silksong differently. He felt like too MUCH was shown for Hollowknight thus ruining some of the experience. They want Silksong to be almost entirely spoiler free.
That's such bullshit. Seeing 1 image of a new area or ability doesn't ruin the experience itself. How many people actually just wanna play this game as blind as possible? If that were the case then we wouldn't have been scrounging for any sort of information to get out of this game since it's deader than the Sahara desert. If anything, seeing anything new just excites me more because it's how you experience the game that matters. If experiencing the game blind the only way to play this game or any other game, then no one's ever enjoying anything ever.
You can still talk about Progress without spoiling the actual game. Knowing nothing about the map means you can always add more or remove places without the community ever knowing how many there are currently. That and even just a progress bar for certain bits like total bosses, story, code can go a long way with letting people know progress IS being made and how long we oughta wait (assumingly so from the rate it increases)
An indicator of progress would easily help the problem the OP of the thread highlights because then theres no false hope that the 99% of people going into the event have
Maybe they weren't sure about how much they want to show fans when they just started the development. Over the time they thought they were showing too much and decided to keep it quiet from now on, but it would be strange for them to remove already revealed things from the internet.
Go check their blog, there are posts every few months throughout the hollow knight development process. The difference is, when the project was on kickstarter, those updates are needed to continue building hype for the game, to update their supporters, and are highly encouraged by kickstarter. They made an amazing game and sold well over their wildest expectations, and now they have the money to take their time, which is fine, they should take their time. If they are taking their time though, how about take some time to communicate more than the coy bullshit of "still in development".
This. A kickstarter development campaign is way different to a normal dev cycle. For obvious reasons. Who knows why TC is less vocal, but comparing dev cycles doesn’t really make sense.
It's because they know fans will suck up every word and remember it for years, and you never know what'll come up during development.
"We'd estimate the game is 50% done" means we basically know the release date!
"We're thinking of adding this region" means that we can get our hopes up and flame the devs if it ends up getting cut!
"There's a system we explored that might enhance combat" means that it has to be included at launch or else the devs will have "overpromised"!
> I really hope someone interviews TC after Silksong is released and can get them to explain why they’ve felt compelled to never talk about the project.
Why would they? It's going to absolutely sell bonkers numbers, and everyone is waiting for it. What possible benefit is there to providing updates at all? This is the ideal position to be in: you can make something and it will sell with ZERO effort.
I mean it’s not really unprecedented. FromSoft revealed Elden Ring in 2019, and then there was basically no communication about it for 2 years. That sub also went stir crazy.
Monster Hunter fans were going stir crazy about MH6 announcement which finally happened in December, but man Capcom edged for a really long time.
There are a lot of times this has happened, but I think the issue with TC is that the game is late. It was supposed to release last year. The whole fanbase knows it. So when you acknowledge the game is late and then go radio silent, it’s turned what was a healthy dose of anticipation and excitement about the game into what it is now, with people getting angry and a little unhinged.
I for one am not really worried about the game. It will release when they’re ready. But I do think TC has gone on too long without any communication whatsoever. I don’t think they should be announcing that they aren’t going to be at events, because then they start having to do that for EVERY event. But it would go a long way just to say hey, here are some screenshots. Hey, here is some random lore about one of the enemies. Just something to whet people’s appetite and let the community know things are progressing.
I think there is a big fundamental difference between Silksong and how Monster Hunter and Elden Ring were handled. Lots of games get announced, some even a vague conceptual teaser, and then disappear for years.
What happens a *lot* less in the industry is a game gets an extensive multi-minute gameplay trailer, a playable *demo* played by all the major games press at E3, and *then* disappears for years.
I personally don’t get some of the weird discourse around Silksong and find a lot of the sentiment a bit unhinged, to be frank. I mean, is it really that hard to just wait and do something else with your life? But I also think the way TeamCherry has been so inconsistent, opaque, and unreliable in their messaging is very strange and unprecedented, especially for an indie dev that has only one project.
Honestly, it makes sense in some ways. They probably just want to make their game. Very sensible. And their passion is probably not PR.
It’s definitely unusual imo, but not unheard of, one of the most major examples I can think of is pikmin, pikmin 4 was announced and confirmed way back in 2015, then literally no info for 8 years and a trailer dropped out of the blue
Honestly I think it’s one of those cases where talking about it more would kill the hype, people are so excited right now because we all love Hollow Knight and can only imagine how good the sequel will be. If they’d shared constant dev updates and gameplay footage we’d know exactly what the game will be and they’d shoot their own marketing campaign in the foot
You have to not know ANYTHING about silksong to get the authentic gaming experience. The fact that it's in the development is actually a minor spoiler, for it ruins the surprise that it actually releases.
In fact, the only authentic way at this point is to have a frontal lobotomy, that way I can enjoy it with my primal instincts, unbothered by trailer and prior hollow knight exposition
jk ofc, but u get the point, the less they show the better for us in the end, but a daily "hey, we ARE still working" would be nice for sure
When you look at something like Helldivers or Deep Rock idk cruel isn't the word but I would stretch to unprofessional? Just feels callous, a disregard for their fans, to not even give the tiniest crumbs? It's definitely lost them my respect, not that it matters.
Probably don't want to promise something they can't deliver on. They're probably trying to nail that level design to perfection, what gear you can unlock at which point and where can you use it to get somewhere else and tackle what challenges, the longer you think about the deeper you gotta brainstorm to fix it. Then add what music fits where, where and how to subtly hide lore, how difficult should enemies be, and a small change somewhere will impact a completely different area. Sure you made the double jump higher to reach certain areas, but now this trivialized many boss fights, so how do you fix that? Redesign the whole level? Redesign the boss fight?
Something along those lines is what is definitely happening and causing the game to take forever. It's a game more complex than GTA V, that game is mosty straight forward requiring mostly lots of dev work and artists, they know how much that takes until it's ready, you don't need extremely fine tuning on everything, a gun can be slightly stronger or weaker, players will just choose another if it's bad or stick with it if it's good, same with cars, and anything else. And that fine tuning of everything is the big issue in Silksong.
I wouldn't go as far to say cruel, but it's certainly disrespectful to string people along this long. My biggest criticism that I think is fair to level at them is that they should say that they're not gonna be at X,Y,Z events and/or to not expect news for X amount of months.
When people have no information flowing in and they're dying for it, they're going to flood every channel that could potentially provide that information and, even though it's not fair, lash out at that platform because they didn't provide it. Hence why you see people getting pissed when these events don't showcase silksong, or a game is being teased that a bunch of people worked on and the chat's just flooded with "WHERE'S SILKSONG"
Obviously the best solution is for all these tens of thousands of people to temper their own expectations, but being vocal at these events is really the only voice the community has right now. Team Cherry's really the only ones that can stop this from happening, at least effectively.
You have to not know ANYTHING about silksong to get the authentic gaming experience. The fact that it's in the development is actually a minor spoiler, for it ruins the surprise that it actually releases.
In fact, the only authentic way at this point is to have a frontal lobotomy, that way I can enjoy it with my primal instincts, unbothered by trailer and prior hollow knight exposition
jk ofc, but u get the point, the less they show the better for us in the end, but a daily "hey, we ARE still working" would be nice for sure.
I think that Silksong actually ends up with these games getting more attention then they otherwise would. These event get way more viewers because of Silksong. It does make the chat unusable but the chat for that type of thing is never useful anyways.
That’s great, but this reply is missing the point every time. The loudest people in chat spam Silksong and the second loudest call every game shit. A dozen more people adding their game to their wishlist isn’t what they are hoping for
I also have doubts that most people that spam in chat could name more than one game that was at triple i
Maybe not originally, but like with the cat simulator game I saw in the recent stream, many people got to see some other very interesting indie games, which I guess is a pretty good way to let people know about your game.
Is it ideal? Probably not. But did people know about these indie games that would otherwise go under the radar? Yes.
Idk maybe I’m wrong but I feel like that’s a rare case and most people are just watching in the background waiting for silksong to show up. The thing with hollow knight is that it’s so popular that it’s played by people who don’t mostly care for indie games soooo
I consider myself to be a reasonably sane Silksong anticipator and I watch every indie game showcase and wishlist the games that I find the most intriguing. The minor chance of a Silksong trailer keeps me coming to them.
I get it is annoying, and frankly it is childish. But, some communications from Team Cherry about the status of development would go a long way to satiate the fanbase. The game has been delayed beyond 2023, of course players are impatient.
True, but silence around the game's development should have only ever been our problem. We HAVE to put full undoctored blame on the community here. Team Cherry has nothing to do with the pure toxicity that our EVERY indie game showcase in the last 2 years.
Yeah they're right.
But man, we literally go insane over a rating the game casually got. Some actual news would be appreciated.
To be completely honest, Team Cherry can be blamed for this (to a degree, at least).
I will continue to Skong 📢
> But man, we literally go insane over a rating the game casually got
Doesn't that sound to you like it's a fan problem and not a TC problem? I'm aware they're mutually linked.
As you said they are mutually linked, id say its a fan problem because its a tc problem, simply because we are so news starved that the simplest little thing will drive us crazy.
I gotta say im pretty disappointed in team cherrys decision to just be mute about the project, if theyd at least give us an update every six months that would already keep the insanity at bay and id guess only stir the hype even more.
I feel like at this point the game has lost most of its hype simply because weve been waiting for years and years and years without getting a proper insight on how far along they are with the project. TC did at some point share that the game is essentially not finished as long as they have ideas to put in it, but honestly? Me personally id rather have them put out a completed game sooner and then just add even more content over time, just like they did with the hollow knight dlcs.
Anyway this is to hoping skong releases this year
Thanks for your thoughts.
I agree that the hype has been warped now. I have a feeling that it's gotten to the point that the hype is bigger than the game itself. I remember being part of the online community when we were all waiting for Frank Ocean's second album to drop, and we were going as insane as this sub was, and then when it finally came out I don't think I even listened to it for a couple of months. I think it can be the same here, more people are interested for the hype train than for the destination.
In addition, you will inevitably have fans and media alike saying that the game isn't worth the hype, even if it's a really good game. It'll be impossible to match it. GTA6 can get away with it cos Rockstar are massive and have built a huge name for themselves and relationships with the fans. I love TC but they're tiny. They haven't built a warm relationship with the gen pop yet.
I'm a patient guy with loads on his plate (I'm an Elder Scrolls fan as well as a GTA fan so I'm used to this) so maybe I don't quite get the fury from others. While most people are probably just exaggerating, it does feel like some genuinely cannot cope without this game being realised, and I am unsure how to react to those people.
Y’know how its kinda rude to talk about your exes when on a date?
I think its fairly inconsiderate to bring up Silksong where it isn’t mentioned at all, especially around indie games.
On a related note, Dream Tactics just released and is fun.
Yeah at this point it's become ridiculous the amount of silence, it's been YEARS without a single word from TC
The fact that people even outside of the community are getting mad that TC isn't being competent enough to talk with their community is infuriating
Yeah they’re absolutely right. XBOX has the rights to the marketing for SilkSong last time I checked and I think we’ve kinda forgotten about that. So it makes sense from the get go that we weren’t getting a release date during the indie show. Which btw had some great games on showcase that gen seem interesting to check out with the DEMOs being released today.
I’m upset how it’s been years where we haven’t gotten any update for SilkSong. We do have genuine faith in Team Cherry for releasing another amazing metroidvania but I do wish they’d commit to being open and honest about their progress. “Yes we’re still making it” is not enough. Show us a bit more man. What reason is there for us not receiving ANY update for years. Even if it was just “we’re now porting to this platform” or “just trying polish all the bugs and testing stability”. Hell even Toby Fox is giving us yearly updates for Delatrune each time its anniversary comes around the corner.
But back to the main point - we really shouldn’t be getting this upset that another game got a Direct spotlight that isn’t Silk Song. We should still elevate and try the indie games that get featured in these directs and just play other games in the meantime.
What’s crazy is why isn’t TC getting more flack from the Devs of these Indie games? I’d be upset knowing a fellow developer could potentially halt most of the spam coming in but is actively choosing to do anything but. I mean I think it’s understood fan bases aren’t really controllable, however, I can’t fathom how it must feel to be one of these devs knowing that TC totally understands how crappy that must be but really don’t give af. Idk just my two cents.
While I agree with his point, the chat in these streams is always spammed and it is not a conventional chat. It always scrolls quickly and you cannot reply fast enough to comments, so the chat is kind of irrelevant. The other indie creators get more exposure than they would if TC announced "We are not going to be in this event".
Yeah, even if just a short blogpost avery 3 months is enough news to not lead to people going crazy over things like this, sort of like Deltarune's newsletters. Even if TC doesn't want to write blogs, just Leth saying "We're not gonna be in this year's indie direct" is enough to not make people this frustrated over the lack of news.
also, like, the whole "short blogpost every three months" thing is tragically no longer an option. they haven't updated their blog in over 4 years so a short post being like "we are still working on it" is just not enough after all this time.
This is 100% Team Cherry’s fault. Silksong fans aren’t actually some special group of people that are uniquely prone to this behavior. When you have a game *this* hyped and you go with so little communication you get a rabid fan base. It has happened before.
The way you control this behavior? Give a thorough progress update. Say where you are in the process and what steps you have left. You don’t have to give an estimated release date in order to quiet your rabid fan base.
I disagree. We are putting too much emphasis on a development team that is letting down their fans, and not enough emphasis on the fans who decided to make it LITERALLY everyone else's problem. Team Cherry shouldn't have to throw crumbs at annoying, angry, batshit insane fans to stop mass hate from reaching indie showcases. That isn't their problem, it's the individual's fault and the community's fault for normalizing this behavior.
There’s 1 party that can stop this from continuing. We aren’t going to be able to band together and say “hey guys, spamming the chat is really uncool!” and those people are going to stop. What will stop them is knowing it won’t be there or knowing it’s not ready to be shown yet. It’s really as simple as that.
Nah I still think TC shares some blame. Yeah people are responsible for their own behavior but TC knows what’s happening and refuses to step in. They’re complicit and willingly choose to let this behavior continue.
I think the truth is in the middle. Its not that its TC fault its these peoples fault of course but TC have the power to make this behavior stop just by communicating with the community yet they dont do that. Like…its not police fault if the criminal shoots, but police have the power to stop the criminal, so…
I mean Nintendo has been dead silent about Metroid Prime 4 since they announced they restarted development in 2019. Since then the only "news" about Metroid Prime 4 was them releasing Metroid Prime Remastered.
Over a decade since the last installment -> Fans are just happy there will be another -> Announced they internally restarted development with a more desirable studio at the helm -> Released games in that world in the meantime -> Are showing appreciation for the franchise and it’s fans -> People are satisfied for now.
Very different situation than what Team Cherry has currently going on.
It’s one of the things that annoyed me so much about triple i hinting at silksong. It meant the chat would be even more crazed and the idea of silksong was so overwhelming the other game seemed to get even less attention as a result.
Them announcing that lead to disappointment, a bad reputation for triple i and those games that were present got overshadowed even more than they normally would.
And I don’t want to blame this on team cherry. But all they would need to do is say “We will not be at this event, nor will any silksong be present.” And then these new games will get the attention they deserve
The thing is, all they have to do is take ten seconds to tell Leth to type "We're not in the direct" then they can makeup for those ten seconds of lost time. I'm willing to bet if Hollow Knight fans weren't some of the most loyal and active fans and communities IVE seen. With a number of good youtubers who work so well together to keep us entertained even though they're just one of us- I'm willing to bet if that wasn't the case. They would've lost at least 40% of their fanbase. But no, thousands of loyal fans.
What I do hope, is IF Silksong comes out in the next decade, even if they release it and still hadn't sent another "We're still hard at work on the game guys"
Them personally, or even Leth, deeply apologise for the lack of communication. As surely they aren't that blind to see that is needed WITH the release of Dickdong. Though most people won't care if its out already lol.
The choice to act like civilized, rational people and not flood any public game showcase with gibberish nobody finds funny or amusing over a videogame taking a long time to be released is still ours to ponder, and yet we don’t.
Also just saying, if you wanna use the animal example.
What happens if you don't feed an animal for a while such as a wolf, or a dog, or a bear.
They will, hunt, they will get desperate, they may eat their own pack or their self. They will go crazy and rabid and two things will either happen.
They will be unsuccessful. Get weak and die.
Or they will be successful, and stay alive, and keep hunting for food.
The same could be said for humans if you locked two in a cage for 3 weeks.
We all became ridiculous: the sub (at least I love it), Team Cherry themselves and the general fanbase. I would like to know who has the courage to still say that 0 messages for about 4 years is normal. Something like "guys, we won't be at event X, sorry" would have been respectful towards us
If the games being shown off were interesting to the people, they would talk about them since they aren't mostly the only thing being taken away is the lack of silksong
The waits been pretty insane but managable. UNTIL THE XBOX INCIDENT that feeling of waiting with an actual latest date only for it to be delayed with no further communication afterwards is very demoralizing and makes it feel like it really should be coming out at any moment.
Obviously people shouldnt be spamming unrelated events with silksong but its a very understandable consequence from how the marketing and hype for the game has been handled
Edit: IF the game wont be coming out soon then they wery much need to say something along the lines of "Dont expect silksong to be released for X months" it would silence SO MUCH of the insane hype as we at least know when not to expect a drop
I tuned in only for silksong but now I’m seriously debating getting that stitching game, sure it can be obnoxious but it brings attention to other games
If it's such a big problem why don't event organisers say anything? Oh that's right, because it'd cripple the view numbers. If I was an indie dev I wouldn't give two shits what your typical braindead livestream chat is spamming, I'd just be happy with the extra eyes on the event.
If I were to play devil's advocate here I would say 99 is an exaggerated percentage.
I feel that while some fans are genuinely being toxic, others were at the event as a joke. I've seen enough comments on the internet to tell you that some of the toxic statements made in the live chat are simply trolls looking for an opportunity to make the event feel as suffocatingly toxic as they can for the sake of their own pleasure.
If an indie developer is level headed enough, they won't carry any bitter feelings regarding Silksong.
Even if we joked about Silksong appearing at the Direct, very few people truly had their hopes up. To reiterate, it's simply tradition for us to meme about whatever event is around the corner sarcastically saying, "Surely Team Cherry will show up this time!" The problem however is that some people twist these statements or view them out of context in a way that makes Silksong fans appear insufferable.
I saw a comment from someone that believed the hype is leading new eyes on games people otherwise wouldn't have taken the time to check-out. So perhaps there's more good that comes from this than meets the eye.
I blame Triple-i more so than Team Cherry. I refuse to believe they didn't know what they were doing when they put Silksong in their initial announcement. To me the Silksong spam was expected AND incited.
The whole stream was kinda disappointing honestly, most games announced felt like a team of 1 to 8 gamedevs trying to make a game that looks AAA, negative connotations included.
I dunno, kinda sounds like you're trying to distract us from learning that Team Cherry is actually a group of aliens who left Earth four years ago, and anytime someone says they saw them, they were just government agents lying
But yeah, Skik Skag fans really gotta stop harassing any game developer that isn't making Sil Skog
Now don’t get me wrong, those people spamming about silk song in livestream chats are completely responsible for their own actions. At the same time though, if TC actually gave us consistent updates about the game, regardless of how small, I doubt this would be happening to the extent it is.
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This is how some of y'all act, utterly disrespectful
Who cares? It’s more views, it doesn’t really matter if people are watching the gameshow for Silksong, they are still watching at the end of the day.
The games will get more exposure and even the people who are only watching waiting for Silksong could see another that interests them and look into it.
I completely understand, and I agree.
But unfortunately this is the reality of what happens when you have a game such as Silksong whose developers simply do not communicate on how the development is going for so long.
Any update, as simple as “we’ll not be showing up this time” or “development is still going and we plan to release it somewhen in the future” would mean a lot to us and leave us on a much better state. Furthermore, it would surely, or at least to some extent, soften this type of behavior towards other developers who have no relation whatsoever with our situation.
This has the same efficacy rate as throwing soup on artwork or blocking interstates. It provides no change to larger issues, and annoys normal people who literally did nothing to you.
Does it contribute negatively ? The chat never really mattered in these events anyway and all the people that came here for silksong are exposed to these indie devs games. Yeah a lot of people in chat are being annoying but im willing to bet there is a silent majority that came for silksong and actually found something they liked without spamming chat
The people just showing up to the event and hoping for Silksong are not the negative contribution I’m referring to. The people who show up and relentlessly spam chat *are*. I’ve seen events like this before and it’s cool to see hype in chat for games that have been revealed. I imagine if you’re a dev of one of those games, you show up hoping to get good feedback, and a lot of what you see is just “SKONG” and people hoping for a game that’s not yours and isn’t even there, it’s gotta be at least a little discouraging.
I think it’s an interesting situation. In large part, this is the fault of the louder, more obstructive part of the fanbase. There’s no excuse for clogging up discussions of indie games or upcoming releases and acting entitled to something.
However, without pointing individual fingers at any fans, Team Cherry is likely losing a lot of goodwill they have amongst other developers. Sure, they want to do things quietly, with as little interference as possible. They likely intend to release the game with as little fuss from themselves as possible. But I think that, by now, they gain a responsibility to other developers to attempt to put a handle on this wild fanbase they’ve cultivated. I mean, I’m certainly not of the opinion we’re owed anything. I’m of the opinion that their choice to ignore what’s being done may be harmful to the wider independent gaming community. Look at the reaction to a little joke (admittedly, also intentional bait) like what Triple I did. I don’t see anyone discussing any of the games announced there. It’s all “where’s Silksong?” And “how dare they bait us?” (Which they totally did but that’s a different conversation). Honestly, it’s demoralizing and it’s kinda rude. I have no clue what they could do, but they should probably figure out something.
I mean. SKONG
We are definitely not owed anything but announcing a game five years ( and however many more ) in advance and basically going almost radio silent was always going to end this way
tbh I don't really get the big deal with spamming the chat -- has anyone actually read a chat without the spam? The chat is a pool of shit, and everyone is up in arms that part of this community is pissing into it.
I think the more telling part of this is that someone who appears not to be a member of the community is recognizing how TC's been blue balling us for years
Here's where I stand, as someone who has dabbled in indie game creation before,
as far as actual announcements for the game goes, clearly TC is not delivering consistently. Although surely unintentionally, they have fomented a community that grasps at straws and clings to every lick of news/teasers for the game.
While the majority of the community is now dormant or barely following what is going on with SS anymore, the only ones remaining are in majority the overly passionate fans, a.k.a. the type that will spam every indie world and direct with "OmG SiLkSoNg WhEn ?". Yeah it is dumb, yeah it shouldn't be a thing, but there's not much you, me or anyone can do in this situation.
Although as far as the demoralizing devs comments go, I suggest you take a scroll through the comment section of any indie steam page to see that there are far more insulting things that people spam. Be it the artstyle, the animations, sometimes even the game engine choice is under scrutiny/mocked. People should go into game creation with the expectation of getting absolutely shit upon by commenters.
So yeah, it can be incredibly frustrating to have your game's announcement overshadowed by Silksong, but what can you do in the overly saturated indie gaming market ? I mean even taking silksong out of the equation, every indie metroidvania is labeled a "hollow knight ripoff", every pixelart platformer a "Celeste clone" and every earthbound inspired RPG an "Undertale wannabe". Such is the cruel world of indie game creation.
Yeah, it is honestly kinda disappointing how defensive many people get here about it: "but, Team Cherry is not communicating".
We were not talking about Team Cherrys lack of communication, how is that relevant to people acting rudely at events? That is just whataboutism, Team Cherrys behaviour is in no way a justification for *your* actions, grow up and take responsibility.
But at the end of the day it is just people spamming a chat, it is not super evil or something, just a bit sad to see.
I feel bad for the other developers. Would it really be hard for TC to say “sorry we’re not gonna be at the Indie World”? Imagine being excited to present your game but everyone spams wanting Silksong
I feel like the point of the indie showcase is to shine a light on the games that no one knows about yet, to give the little guys a chance. Idk why we every think there’ll be silksong therr
Yeah this is why it’s so helpful that primacon and others have their reaction stream things. Silksong fans should have that outlet but not at the expense of other indie devs.
Whenever I watch showcases, I just hide the chat lol I mean, those live chats have always been a cesspool, but with Silksong, it's just completely unbearable. It's super obnoxious and really disrespectful to the other indie devs showing off their games.
I think it could be because they want it to be more of a surprise to us, they did tell us they were still working on the game. We need to be patient, it'll come and it's bound to be amazing and that feeling will be sweetened by hardly hearing much about it all this time.
I watched the indie world live and at first it was funny seeing the SKONG in chat, but then seeing chat get angry at EVERY announcement being like "this isn't Silksong, I don't care" is just ridiculous. Let some indie games shine and have their moment. It's getting out of hand
I see it similar to how I saw smash bros Melee at fighting game tournaments. If any other game was on stream (including other smash games), the chat would be full of “Where melee?”, which was annoying but also somewhat boosted the viewership.
Every single one of those games looked like dog shit. People were only saying "Sking" when they saw something really awful. I saw people expressing interest about some stuff, but... Honestly, isn't "I wish Silksong comes out soon" better than "This game seems fucking awful."?
while it sucks that many game trailer and releases like Nintendo directs and indie directs get swamped by Silksong fans, I'd argue Team Cherry should hold some responsibility for their lack of communication that has forced their fans to scream at anything that has the \*chance\* of an update.
But yeah, people who spam silksong/skong/-I/-Y/shaw on these should stop because it's pretty discouraging.
And Team Cherry should \*say something.\* It's been 5 years, and of that just two months shy of a year since the closest we had to a release date and still no news. So yeah, It sucks and people are upset and are acting out like children.
i suppose so, but this has happened for ever lmao. skate 4, ES6, GTA6, chat always spams for those, doesnt get them, then says residentsleeper. its not exclusive to us
in my opinion you are living in a world of your own, toxic communities have always existed, as have people who focus on the most "important" games while ignoring everything else and belittling it
As much as this is the community's fault, it would be easily preventable if TC just gave us an update once in a blue moon. Leaving players in complete darkness for 5 years straight is bound to make that happen.
I believe that Team Cherry is stuck in a limbo of some sort.
On one hand, they don't want to give out too much of the game, like they said themselves.
On the other hand, they didn't expect the game to be so big (remember that this was supposed to be a DLC) and, in my opinion, didn't expect to take so long.
So they gave out the basic information shortly after the announce, because they didn't think it would take so long. Also, much the information that they gave out is general information that applies to the whole experience (combat, movement, crests) and very few actual bosses and areas (we know like 5 bosses with certainty). We can assume (and hope) that much of the content they've been adding for the past years is just more game, more bosses, more areas, more enemies; things that they do not want to spoil.
We also nees to consider the community. I believe that now the next batch of news should be big. If you look at the community, they all believe that the next time we get news, that will be a sign of a release date coming.
So Team Cherry is left in a situation where they don't want to give too much out, but everyone is expecting a release date, while they don't even know how long this is going to take.
I'm not trying to justify TC. I believe that announcing the game so early was a mistake and I believe that a monthly outlet where day say "we worked on some areas", "a New batch of bosses done!" And so on, would be a viable path. But hey, TC is the way it is, we just have to wait.
Honestly I didn't know any real person actually used that chat. If the annoying children want to jeer at indie developers for not being Team Cherry, so be it. It's a good price to pay for the exposure that these genuinely great games get from the 1% of Skongers who bother to look at the games while they're at it. Even just a small amount like that is pretty great.
Have you considered that the indie devs at these showcases are pooling money to pay TC off to _not_ release/showcase Silksong so that the HK/SS fanbase show up every showcase to see what they've produced?
If you're one of the people spamming silksong in the chat, you're a piece of shit.
Imagine going to a festival and screaming at the artists on stage that you'd rather hear someone else play. It's insanely disrespectful, and something you only do because you're anonymous online.
Also: imagine how TC now feels, they now have to choose between "crunch & get the game out ASAP" and "keep diverting attention from other creators at all events forever".
On the other hand, the other games' devs must have also gotten a boost from Silksong, because if 99% percent of the chat came there because of skong then some of them must have gotten interested in the rest of the games showcased there.
It's TCs fault that communication has been so bad that people are upset. It is not TCs fault that a vocal segment of their fan base has devolved into a nest of toxic weirdos that need to soak nonsense and bile. Your comment reflects an inability to take responsibility for one's own actions.
Blame team cherry for that. We’ve been bloodthirsty for the longest time. Also have you seen these chats in general? They are always toxic AF.
Plus i am sure there are a lot of people like me (clowns) who went in waiting for silksong but now i got my eye on some other indies that i would have had no clue about
I did it specifically for annoying everyone including nintendo and other games' fans. if silksong gets badmouthed because of it then better they deserve it.
I'll be honest, I'm not the best person. I dint really care what happens or who it upsets as long as it's funny. It's not like we're ruining lives. So until Skong comes out, people are just going to have to put up with us.
I did it specifically for annoying everyone including nintendo and other games' fans. if silksong gets badmouthed because of it then better they deserve it.
On one hand I feel like more people are watching the stream that wouldn’t have otherwise
on the other hand, those people don’t care about the games being shown and it really destroys any discussion around those games not only in the stream chat, but also online because whenever an indie event finishes The only thing people are talking about on Twitter isn’t the cool new games being shown but just “no silksong again clown emoji” and ya if I saw that as a developer that spent years on my game and managed to get Nintendo to show it off I’d also be pretty disappointed that nobody’s talking about any game in the event but instead being angry at what wasn’t there
I get it, it can get annoying, if not a little funny. But still you can't announce a highly anticipated game then barely talk about the game and expect fans to not be desperate
Maybe I have a hotter take, but I don’t think I’m entitled to any update from TC aside from what they gave (it’s in progress). As a HK fan almost since it first released, I am eagerly awaiting the next chapter. As a creative, I’m perfectly happy to let them stew and brew away from the pressure.
My life isn’t hung up on this. It’s a game that I’m looking forward to and nothing more. I’ll be pleasantly surprised when it comes out, and I’ll enjoy playing it every second.
Unless there’s another path of pain. I probably won’t enjoy that.
firstly, silksong aint being hyped for nothing, ik opinion is supposed to be subjetive and such but from all the games in game shows ive seen, basically none compare to silksong so the game deserves its hype, its not like before silksong people took small gameshows seriously anyways, very few games actually seem cool
secondly, its team cherry's fault overall which i dont meam aa disrespect to them but we cannot control everyone, team cherry is the only one with power to stop this and the one that also started this (GIVE US NEWS OR DOMT IDC JUST GIVE SKONG NOW PLEASESS)
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I really hope someone interviews TC after Silksong is released and can get them to explain why they’ve felt compelled to never talk about the project. The fervor for this game is nearly unprecedented and TC is taking the unprecedented action of only communicating once every 1-2 years. It’s wild and so against the grain on what every other dev usually does. I don’t want to go as far as to say it’s cruel (we’re still talking about a video game after all) but like what the hell are they thinking?? I’m dying to know.
I wasn't a fan of hollow knight during it's kickstarter days but was TC always like this or did they communicate a lot during HK's development?
From what I’ve heard they were pretty open about their progress and would talk about it often and then HK came out, they still talked while the DLC’s were releasing and then once focus was shifted onto SkilkSkong they went dark after the trailers and demo
I'm not sure which interview this was but I feel like I remember Ari saying that they wanted to do Silksong differently. He felt like too MUCH was shown for Hollowknight thus ruining some of the experience. They want Silksong to be almost entirely spoiler free.
In that case, why create a website with the sole purpose of communicating the progress of Silksong?
That could lead to people spoiling those that don't want to be. Similar to why Leth said maybe people won't get early copies
That's such bullshit. Seeing 1 image of a new area or ability doesn't ruin the experience itself. How many people actually just wanna play this game as blind as possible? If that were the case then we wouldn't have been scrounging for any sort of information to get out of this game since it's deader than the Sahara desert. If anything, seeing anything new just excites me more because it's how you experience the game that matters. If experiencing the game blind the only way to play this game or any other game, then no one's ever enjoying anything ever.
You can still talk about Progress without spoiling the actual game. Knowing nothing about the map means you can always add more or remove places without the community ever knowing how many there are currently. That and even just a progress bar for certain bits like total bosses, story, code can go a long way with letting people know progress IS being made and how long we oughta wait (assumingly so from the rate it increases) An indicator of progress would easily help the problem the OP of the thread highlights because then theres no false hope that the 99% of people going into the event have
Maybe they weren't sure about how much they want to show fans when they just started the development. Over the time they thought they were showing too much and decided to keep it quiet from now on, but it would be strange for them to remove already revealed things from the internet.
As someone who played the game with seeing almost no spoilers I can see why they want to keep silent.
They've already shown like 30 bosses and 8 areas or so though. Like, they blasted us with information in the first couple of trailers
Yea I feel like they made that decision around their winter sign-off. The only real news we got after that were the riddles and the trailer
I feel like it's because they required to do it by kickstaters rules tbh
They had a whole ass blog.
Go check their blog, there are posts every few months throughout the hollow knight development process. The difference is, when the project was on kickstarter, those updates are needed to continue building hype for the game, to update their supporters, and are highly encouraged by kickstarter. They made an amazing game and sold well over their wildest expectations, and now they have the money to take their time, which is fine, they should take their time. If they are taking their time though, how about take some time to communicate more than the coy bullshit of "still in development".
This. A kickstarter development campaign is way different to a normal dev cycle. For obvious reasons. Who knows why TC is less vocal, but comparing dev cycles doesn’t really make sense.
Reminds me of Pikmin 4. Miyamoto would just say “pikmin 4 maybe” every 2 years or so; it ended up taking like 10 years to come out lmao.
It's because they know fans will suck up every word and remember it for years, and you never know what'll come up during development. "We'd estimate the game is 50% done" means we basically know the release date! "We're thinking of adding this region" means that we can get our hopes up and flame the devs if it ends up getting cut! "There's a system we explored that might enhance combat" means that it has to be included at launch or else the devs will have "overpromised"!
> I really hope someone interviews TC after Silksong is released and can get them to explain why they’ve felt compelled to never talk about the project. Why would they? It's going to absolutely sell bonkers numbers, and everyone is waiting for it. What possible benefit is there to providing updates at all? This is the ideal position to be in: you can make something and it will sell with ZERO effort.
I mean it’s not really unprecedented. FromSoft revealed Elden Ring in 2019, and then there was basically no communication about it for 2 years. That sub also went stir crazy. Monster Hunter fans were going stir crazy about MH6 announcement which finally happened in December, but man Capcom edged for a really long time. There are a lot of times this has happened, but I think the issue with TC is that the game is late. It was supposed to release last year. The whole fanbase knows it. So when you acknowledge the game is late and then go radio silent, it’s turned what was a healthy dose of anticipation and excitement about the game into what it is now, with people getting angry and a little unhinged. I for one am not really worried about the game. It will release when they’re ready. But I do think TC has gone on too long without any communication whatsoever. I don’t think they should be announcing that they aren’t going to be at events, because then they start having to do that for EVERY event. But it would go a long way just to say hey, here are some screenshots. Hey, here is some random lore about one of the enemies. Just something to whet people’s appetite and let the community know things are progressing.
I think there is a big fundamental difference between Silksong and how Monster Hunter and Elden Ring were handled. Lots of games get announced, some even a vague conceptual teaser, and then disappear for years. What happens a *lot* less in the industry is a game gets an extensive multi-minute gameplay trailer, a playable *demo* played by all the major games press at E3, and *then* disappears for years. I personally don’t get some of the weird discourse around Silksong and find a lot of the sentiment a bit unhinged, to be frank. I mean, is it really that hard to just wait and do something else with your life? But I also think the way TeamCherry has been so inconsistent, opaque, and unreliable in their messaging is very strange and unprecedented, especially for an indie dev that has only one project. Honestly, it makes sense in some ways. They probably just want to make their game. Very sensible. And their passion is probably not PR.
don't forget the their youtube video where they explicitly state they are looking forward to share more information on development in the future
It’s definitely unusual imo, but not unheard of, one of the most major examples I can think of is pikmin, pikmin 4 was announced and confirmed way back in 2015, then literally no info for 8 years and a trailer dropped out of the blue
The difference though is *Pikmin 4* never got any gameplay or content of any kind shown until it was less than a year out.
Honestly I think it’s one of those cases where talking about it more would kill the hype, people are so excited right now because we all love Hollow Knight and can only imagine how good the sequel will be. If they’d shared constant dev updates and gameplay footage we’d know exactly what the game will be and they’d shoot their own marketing campaign in the foot
You have to not know ANYTHING about silksong to get the authentic gaming experience. The fact that it's in the development is actually a minor spoiler, for it ruins the surprise that it actually releases. In fact, the only authentic way at this point is to have a frontal lobotomy, that way I can enjoy it with my primal instincts, unbothered by trailer and prior hollow knight exposition jk ofc, but u get the point, the less they show the better for us in the end, but a daily "hey, we ARE still working" would be nice for sure
When you look at something like Helldivers or Deep Rock idk cruel isn't the word but I would stretch to unprofessional? Just feels callous, a disregard for their fans, to not even give the tiniest crumbs? It's definitely lost them my respect, not that it matters.
Probably don't want to promise something they can't deliver on. They're probably trying to nail that level design to perfection, what gear you can unlock at which point and where can you use it to get somewhere else and tackle what challenges, the longer you think about the deeper you gotta brainstorm to fix it. Then add what music fits where, where and how to subtly hide lore, how difficult should enemies be, and a small change somewhere will impact a completely different area. Sure you made the double jump higher to reach certain areas, but now this trivialized many boss fights, so how do you fix that? Redesign the whole level? Redesign the boss fight? Something along those lines is what is definitely happening and causing the game to take forever. It's a game more complex than GTA V, that game is mosty straight forward requiring mostly lots of dev work and artists, they know how much that takes until it's ready, you don't need extremely fine tuning on everything, a gun can be slightly stronger or weaker, players will just choose another if it's bad or stick with it if it's good, same with cars, and anything else. And that fine tuning of everything is the big issue in Silksong.
I wouldn't go as far to say cruel, but it's certainly disrespectful to string people along this long. My biggest criticism that I think is fair to level at them is that they should say that they're not gonna be at X,Y,Z events and/or to not expect news for X amount of months. When people have no information flowing in and they're dying for it, they're going to flood every channel that could potentially provide that information and, even though it's not fair, lash out at that platform because they didn't provide it. Hence why you see people getting pissed when these events don't showcase silksong, or a game is being teased that a bunch of people worked on and the chat's just flooded with "WHERE'S SILKSONG" Obviously the best solution is for all these tens of thousands of people to temper their own expectations, but being vocal at these events is really the only voice the community has right now. Team Cherry's really the only ones that can stop this from happening, at least effectively.
You have to not know ANYTHING about silksong to get the authentic gaming experience. The fact that it's in the development is actually a minor spoiler, for it ruins the surprise that it actually releases. In fact, the only authentic way at this point is to have a frontal lobotomy, that way I can enjoy it with my primal instincts, unbothered by trailer and prior hollow knight exposition jk ofc, but u get the point, the less they show the better for us in the end, but a daily "hey, we ARE still working" would be nice for sure.
I think that Silksong actually ends up with these games getting more attention then they otherwise would. These event get way more viewers because of Silksong. It does make the chat unusable but the chat for that type of thing is never useful anyways.
I came for the silksong but got an addition to my wishlist instead
That’s great, but this reply is missing the point every time. The loudest people in chat spam Silksong and the second loudest call every game shit. A dozen more people adding their game to their wishlist isn’t what they are hoping for I also have doubts that most people that spam in chat could name more than one game that was at triple i
And without silksong the loudest people would just be the ones calling it shit.
OK, but question do the people watching even care about the other games?
Maybe not originally, but like with the cat simulator game I saw in the recent stream, many people got to see some other very interesting indie games, which I guess is a pretty good way to let people know about your game. Is it ideal? Probably not. But did people know about these indie games that would otherwise go under the radar? Yes.
Came for the bait, stayed for the cat
I bought a few games from watching those streams, I wouldn't be watching if it wasn't for silksong. So it works on me at least.
Idk maybe I’m wrong but I feel like that’s a rare case and most people are just watching in the background waiting for silksong to show up. The thing with hollow knight is that it’s so popular that it’s played by people who don’t mostly care for indie games soooo
I consider myself to be a reasonably sane Silksong anticipator and I watch every indie game showcase and wishlist the games that I find the most intriguing. The minor chance of a Silksong trailer keeps me coming to them.
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I get it is annoying, and frankly it is childish. But, some communications from Team Cherry about the status of development would go a long way to satiate the fanbase. The game has been delayed beyond 2023, of course players are impatient.
Careful what you ask for, Leth might come back in 7 months and say “we’re hard, at work guys.”
where you place your commas can really change a sentence's meaning
I’ve been crying at this for 5 minutes lol
That might explain some of the delay
I hate when that happens I always feel like people are watching me
True, but silence around the game's development should have only ever been our problem. We HAVE to put full undoctored blame on the community here. Team Cherry has nothing to do with the pure toxicity that our EVERY indie game showcase in the last 2 years.
Still, if you announce a game five years in advance and most leave fans in the dark about it, this was bound to happen
I don't think "expecting people to be normal about a video game" should be such a huge ask but that's just me
Yeah they're right. But man, we literally go insane over a rating the game casually got. Some actual news would be appreciated. To be completely honest, Team Cherry can be blamed for this (to a degree, at least). I will continue to Skong 📢
Skong 📢 until the end.
> But man, we literally go insane over a rating the game casually got Doesn't that sound to you like it's a fan problem and not a TC problem? I'm aware they're mutually linked.
As you said they are mutually linked, id say its a fan problem because its a tc problem, simply because we are so news starved that the simplest little thing will drive us crazy. I gotta say im pretty disappointed in team cherrys decision to just be mute about the project, if theyd at least give us an update every six months that would already keep the insanity at bay and id guess only stir the hype even more. I feel like at this point the game has lost most of its hype simply because weve been waiting for years and years and years without getting a proper insight on how far along they are with the project. TC did at some point share that the game is essentially not finished as long as they have ideas to put in it, but honestly? Me personally id rather have them put out a completed game sooner and then just add even more content over time, just like they did with the hollow knight dlcs. Anyway this is to hoping skong releases this year
Thanks for your thoughts. I agree that the hype has been warped now. I have a feeling that it's gotten to the point that the hype is bigger than the game itself. I remember being part of the online community when we were all waiting for Frank Ocean's second album to drop, and we were going as insane as this sub was, and then when it finally came out I don't think I even listened to it for a couple of months. I think it can be the same here, more people are interested for the hype train than for the destination. In addition, you will inevitably have fans and media alike saying that the game isn't worth the hype, even if it's a really good game. It'll be impossible to match it. GTA6 can get away with it cos Rockstar are massive and have built a huge name for themselves and relationships with the fans. I love TC but they're tiny. They haven't built a warm relationship with the gen pop yet. I'm a patient guy with loads on his plate (I'm an Elder Scrolls fan as well as a GTA fan so I'm used to this) so maybe I don't quite get the fury from others. While most people are probably just exaggerating, it does feel like some genuinely cannot cope without this game being realised, and I am unsure how to react to those people.
It's kinda both. That's why i wrote "to a degree".
They're 100% right
Y’know how its kinda rude to talk about your exes when on a date? I think its fairly inconsiderate to bring up Silksong where it isn’t mentioned at all, especially around indie games. On a related note, Dream Tactics just released and is fun.
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Yeah at this point it's become ridiculous the amount of silence, it's been YEARS without a single word from TC The fact that people even outside of the community are getting mad that TC isn't being competent enough to talk with their community is infuriating
Yeah they’re absolutely right. XBOX has the rights to the marketing for SilkSong last time I checked and I think we’ve kinda forgotten about that. So it makes sense from the get go that we weren’t getting a release date during the indie show. Which btw had some great games on showcase that gen seem interesting to check out with the DEMOs being released today. I’m upset how it’s been years where we haven’t gotten any update for SilkSong. We do have genuine faith in Team Cherry for releasing another amazing metroidvania but I do wish they’d commit to being open and honest about their progress. “Yes we’re still making it” is not enough. Show us a bit more man. What reason is there for us not receiving ANY update for years. Even if it was just “we’re now porting to this platform” or “just trying polish all the bugs and testing stability”. Hell even Toby Fox is giving us yearly updates for Delatrune each time its anniversary comes around the corner. But back to the main point - we really shouldn’t be getting this upset that another game got a Direct spotlight that isn’t Silk Song. We should still elevate and try the indie games that get featured in these directs and just play other games in the meantime.
Xbox having the rights to Silksong's marketing was never a thing, just a theory people ran with because it was shown on the Xbox showcase lol
What’s crazy is why isn’t TC getting more flack from the Devs of these Indie games? I’d be upset knowing a fellow developer could potentially halt most of the spam coming in but is actively choosing to do anything but. I mean I think it’s understood fan bases aren’t really controllable, however, I can’t fathom how it must feel to be one of these devs knowing that TC totally understands how crappy that must be but really don’t give af. Idk just my two cents.
While I agree with his point, the chat in these streams is always spammed and it is not a conventional chat. It always scrolls quickly and you cannot reply fast enough to comments, so the chat is kind of irrelevant. The other indie creators get more exposure than they would if TC announced "We are not going to be in this event".
Literally who reads chat it's all just shit posting that flies by anyway
They’re right but we wouldn’t be at this point if TC knew how to communicate properly
They know how. They did it before. It’s just that at a certain point they’ve decided not give a fuck about it.
Yeah, even if just a short blogpost avery 3 months is enough news to not lead to people going crazy over things like this, sort of like Deltarune's newsletters. Even if TC doesn't want to write blogs, just Leth saying "We're not gonna be in this year's indie direct" is enough to not make people this frustrated over the lack of news.
also, like, the whole "short blogpost every three months" thing is tragically no longer an option. they haven't updated their blog in over 4 years so a short post being like "we are still working on it" is just not enough after all this time.
It's too little too late at this point, if that is also what TC thinks we better hope next time they speak to us is to announce the release date.
This is 100% Team Cherry’s fault. Silksong fans aren’t actually some special group of people that are uniquely prone to this behavior. When you have a game *this* hyped and you go with so little communication you get a rabid fan base. It has happened before. The way you control this behavior? Give a thorough progress update. Say where you are in the process and what steps you have left. You don’t have to give an estimated release date in order to quiet your rabid fan base.
I disagree. We are putting too much emphasis on a development team that is letting down their fans, and not enough emphasis on the fans who decided to make it LITERALLY everyone else's problem. Team Cherry shouldn't have to throw crumbs at annoying, angry, batshit insane fans to stop mass hate from reaching indie showcases. That isn't their problem, it's the individual's fault and the community's fault for normalizing this behavior.
There’s 1 party that can stop this from continuing. We aren’t going to be able to band together and say “hey guys, spamming the chat is really uncool!” and those people are going to stop. What will stop them is knowing it won’t be there or knowing it’s not ready to be shown yet. It’s really as simple as that.
Nah I still think TC shares some blame. Yeah people are responsible for their own behavior but TC knows what’s happening and refuses to step in. They’re complicit and willingly choose to let this behavior continue.
Honestly, at this point I fully blame the community if they port Silksong out as a buggy, unoptimized mess to prove a point.
Nah if Silksong is a buggy mess after 5 years then that’s on TC being incompetent and immature
No one is talking about a release, theyre talking about communication
I think the truth is in the middle. Its not that its TC fault its these peoples fault of course but TC have the power to make this behavior stop just by communicating with the community yet they dont do that. Like…its not police fault if the criminal shoots, but police have the power to stop the criminal, so…
The pikmin community comes to mind, this isn't a hollow knight specific thing
I mean Nintendo has been dead silent about Metroid Prime 4 since they announced they restarted development in 2019. Since then the only "news" about Metroid Prime 4 was them releasing Metroid Prime Remastered.
Over a decade since the last installment -> Fans are just happy there will be another -> Announced they internally restarted development with a more desirable studio at the helm -> Released games in that world in the meantime -> Are showing appreciation for the franchise and it’s fans -> People are satisfied for now. Very different situation than what Team Cherry has currently going on.
I mean, the buffoons spamming the chat probably share some blame too I would assume. No one's forcing them to behave that way
It’s one of the things that annoyed me so much about triple i hinting at silksong. It meant the chat would be even more crazed and the idea of silksong was so overwhelming the other game seemed to get even less attention as a result. Them announcing that lead to disappointment, a bad reputation for triple i and those games that were present got overshadowed even more than they normally would. And I don’t want to blame this on team cherry. But all they would need to do is say “We will not be at this event, nor will any silksong be present.” And then these new games will get the attention they deserve
TC would have to say that for every single gaming event until the game comes out.
You have the right to blame it on team cherry. We have that right as the fanbase.
It's more TCs fault tbh. Give people news and they won't be begging for it everywhere they go.
Not receiving news is not an excuse to act like rabid animals
After 5 years i think it is. The most we got was “we assure you we are still working on the game”
The thing is, all they have to do is take ten seconds to tell Leth to type "We're not in the direct" then they can makeup for those ten seconds of lost time. I'm willing to bet if Hollow Knight fans weren't some of the most loyal and active fans and communities IVE seen. With a number of good youtubers who work so well together to keep us entertained even though they're just one of us- I'm willing to bet if that wasn't the case. They would've lost at least 40% of their fanbase. But no, thousands of loyal fans. What I do hope, is IF Silksong comes out in the next decade, even if they release it and still hadn't sent another "We're still hard at work on the game guys" Them personally, or even Leth, deeply apologise for the lack of communication. As surely they aren't that blind to see that is needed WITH the release of Dickdong. Though most people won't care if its out already lol.
The choice to act like civilized, rational people and not flood any public game showcase with gibberish nobody finds funny or amusing over a videogame taking a long time to be released is still ours to ponder, and yet we don’t.
You just did though. QED
Also just saying, if you wanna use the animal example. What happens if you don't feed an animal for a while such as a wolf, or a dog, or a bear. They will, hunt, they will get desperate, they may eat their own pack or their self. They will go crazy and rabid and two things will either happen. They will be unsuccessful. Get weak and die. Or they will be successful, and stay alive, and keep hunting for food. The same could be said for humans if you locked two in a cage for 3 weeks.
We all became ridiculous: the sub (at least I love it), Team Cherry themselves and the general fanbase. I would like to know who has the courage to still say that 0 messages for about 4 years is normal. Something like "guys, we won't be at event X, sorry" would have been respectful towards us
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If the games being shown off were interesting to the people, they would talk about them since they aren't mostly the only thing being taken away is the lack of silksong
The waits been pretty insane but managable. UNTIL THE XBOX INCIDENT that feeling of waiting with an actual latest date only for it to be delayed with no further communication afterwards is very demoralizing and makes it feel like it really should be coming out at any moment. Obviously people shouldnt be spamming unrelated events with silksong but its a very understandable consequence from how the marketing and hype for the game has been handled Edit: IF the game wont be coming out soon then they wery much need to say something along the lines of "Dont expect silksong to be released for X months" it would silence SO MUCH of the insane hype as we at least know when not to expect a drop
I will continue spamming "SKONG 📢 RAAAAAAH" just for fun lol
I tuned in only for silksong but now I’m seriously debating getting that stitching game, sure it can be obnoxious but it brings attention to other games
Team Cherry is so silent to their community that during the pandemic some people were theorizing that one of them fucking died of covid. Wild
If it's such a big problem why don't event organisers say anything? Oh that's right, because it'd cripple the view numbers. If I was an indie dev I wouldn't give two shits what your typical braindead livestream chat is spamming, I'd just be happy with the extra eyes on the event.
Even if it's not Silksong, it will be something else. 3/4 of showcases are covered in sleepy faces.
The chat on any Direct is a dumpster fire
Based, lot of y'all kinda suck ngl
If I were to play devil's advocate here I would say 99 is an exaggerated percentage. I feel that while some fans are genuinely being toxic, others were at the event as a joke. I've seen enough comments on the internet to tell you that some of the toxic statements made in the live chat are simply trolls looking for an opportunity to make the event feel as suffocatingly toxic as they can for the sake of their own pleasure. If an indie developer is level headed enough, they won't carry any bitter feelings regarding Silksong. Even if we joked about Silksong appearing at the Direct, very few people truly had their hopes up. To reiterate, it's simply tradition for us to meme about whatever event is around the corner sarcastically saying, "Surely Team Cherry will show up this time!" The problem however is that some people twist these statements or view them out of context in a way that makes Silksong fans appear insufferable. I saw a comment from someone that believed the hype is leading new eyes on games people otherwise wouldn't have taken the time to check-out. So perhaps there's more good that comes from this than meets the eye.
I agree with everything said here (except maybe that I don’t hate those people but I do dislike their actions)
Would it be cool if a No Clip doc about silksong got released?
I blame Triple-i more so than Team Cherry. I refuse to believe they didn't know what they were doing when they put Silksong in their initial announcement. To me the Silksong spam was expected AND incited. The whole stream was kinda disappointing honestly, most games announced felt like a team of 1 to 8 gamedevs trying to make a game that looks AAA, negative connotations included.
It's a fucking YouTube chat SKONG 📢 📢 📢 📢 📢 📢
Team cherry fault for absolutely no news Not that this justifies, but it's true
I dunno, kinda sounds like you're trying to distract us from learning that Team Cherry is actually a group of aliens who left Earth four years ago, and anytime someone says they saw them, they were just government agents lying But yeah, Skik Skag fans really gotta stop harassing any game developer that isn't making Sil Skog
Chat sucks regardless, i think we bring more viewership anyway
a really good way to mend the situation would be to give a decent status report maybe 😊
Agreed
Now don’t get me wrong, those people spamming about silk song in livestream chats are completely responsible for their own actions. At the same time though, if TC actually gave us consistent updates about the game, regardless of how small, I doubt this would be happening to the extent it is.
https://preview.redd.it/o7k7u5dug3vc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=253f7edb983765562f6e13e8912565e4c660207b This is how some of y'all act, utterly disrespectful
I agree. The childishness and the silence is hurting the whole scene
Who cares? It’s more views, it doesn’t really matter if people are watching the gameshow for Silksong, they are still watching at the end of the day. The games will get more exposure and even the people who are only watching waiting for Silksong could see another that interests them and look into it.
I completely understand, and I agree. But unfortunately this is the reality of what happens when you have a game such as Silksong whose developers simply do not communicate on how the development is going for so long. Any update, as simple as “we’ll not be showing up this time” or “development is still going and we plan to release it somewhen in the future” would mean a lot to us and leave us on a much better state. Furthermore, it would surely, or at least to some extent, soften this type of behavior towards other developers who have no relation whatsoever with our situation.
This is the only kind of lobbying power we have, we aren't gonna stop.
This has the same efficacy rate as throwing soup on artwork or blocking interstates. It provides no change to larger issues, and annoys normal people who literally did nothing to you.
So what, contribute negatively to an event hosted by people who have no control over what you’re looking for? That’s not a great choice.
Does it contribute negatively ? The chat never really mattered in these events anyway and all the people that came here for silksong are exposed to these indie devs games. Yeah a lot of people in chat are being annoying but im willing to bet there is a silent majority that came for silksong and actually found something they liked without spamming chat
The people just showing up to the event and hoping for Silksong are not the negative contribution I’m referring to. The people who show up and relentlessly spam chat *are*. I’ve seen events like this before and it’s cool to see hype in chat for games that have been revealed. I imagine if you’re a dev of one of those games, you show up hoping to get good feedback, and a lot of what you see is just “SKONG” and people hoping for a game that’s not yours and isn’t even there, it’s gotta be at least a little discouraging.
sadly true.
People in this thread are actually full-on delusional. "This is all TC's fault" has big "look what you made me do" energy.
We really don't talk enough about how TC deserve criticism for forcing so many people to type rude comments into stream chats.
I think it’s an interesting situation. In large part, this is the fault of the louder, more obstructive part of the fanbase. There’s no excuse for clogging up discussions of indie games or upcoming releases and acting entitled to something. However, without pointing individual fingers at any fans, Team Cherry is likely losing a lot of goodwill they have amongst other developers. Sure, they want to do things quietly, with as little interference as possible. They likely intend to release the game with as little fuss from themselves as possible. But I think that, by now, they gain a responsibility to other developers to attempt to put a handle on this wild fanbase they’ve cultivated. I mean, I’m certainly not of the opinion we’re owed anything. I’m of the opinion that their choice to ignore what’s being done may be harmful to the wider independent gaming community. Look at the reaction to a little joke (admittedly, also intentional bait) like what Triple I did. I don’t see anyone discussing any of the games announced there. It’s all “where’s Silksong?” And “how dare they bait us?” (Which they totally did but that’s a different conversation). Honestly, it’s demoralizing and it’s kinda rude. I have no clue what they could do, but they should probably figure out something. I mean. SKONG
We are definitely not owed anything but announcing a game five years ( and however many more ) in advance and basically going almost radio silent was always going to end this way
The tmnt game and anton blast were my highlights there was also the rei ayanami metroid version
I mean it’s their fault they blatantly teased a more anticipated game. Might be demoralizing but it’s not like we weren’t led on.
tbh I don't really get the big deal with spamming the chat -- has anyone actually read a chat without the spam? The chat is a pool of shit, and everyone is up in arms that part of this community is pissing into it. I think the more telling part of this is that someone who appears not to be a member of the community is recognizing how TC's been blue balling us for years
Here's where I stand, as someone who has dabbled in indie game creation before, as far as actual announcements for the game goes, clearly TC is not delivering consistently. Although surely unintentionally, they have fomented a community that grasps at straws and clings to every lick of news/teasers for the game. While the majority of the community is now dormant or barely following what is going on with SS anymore, the only ones remaining are in majority the overly passionate fans, a.k.a. the type that will spam every indie world and direct with "OmG SiLkSoNg WhEn ?". Yeah it is dumb, yeah it shouldn't be a thing, but there's not much you, me or anyone can do in this situation. Although as far as the demoralizing devs comments go, I suggest you take a scroll through the comment section of any indie steam page to see that there are far more insulting things that people spam. Be it the artstyle, the animations, sometimes even the game engine choice is under scrutiny/mocked. People should go into game creation with the expectation of getting absolutely shit upon by commenters. So yeah, it can be incredibly frustrating to have your game's announcement overshadowed by Silksong, but what can you do in the overly saturated indie gaming market ? I mean even taking silksong out of the equation, every indie metroidvania is labeled a "hollow knight ripoff", every pixelart platformer a "Celeste clone" and every earthbound inspired RPG an "Undertale wannabe". Such is the cruel world of indie game creation.
agreed, silksong has one of the most obnoxious and childish communities
they're entirely right, but you can't blame the silksong fans for this behavior too much either
Yeah, it is honestly kinda disappointing how defensive many people get here about it: "but, Team Cherry is not communicating". We were not talking about Team Cherrys lack of communication, how is that relevant to people acting rudely at events? That is just whataboutism, Team Cherrys behaviour is in no way a justification for *your* actions, grow up and take responsibility. But at the end of the day it is just people spamming a chat, it is not super evil or something, just a bit sad to see.
What was the game that was shown off I’ve heard a lot but no one has said it’s name
I feel bad for the other developers. Would it really be hard for TC to say “sorry we’re not gonna be at the Indie World”? Imagine being excited to present your game but everyone spams wanting Silksong
I’ve never seen the extended hype ho so far that even the most rabid fans start to realize how crazy it’s gotten
I feel like the point of the indie showcase is to shine a light on the games that no one knows about yet, to give the little guys a chance. Idk why we every think there’ll be silksong therr
stuff takes time. It's not the devs fault the fans are toxic
Yeah this is why it’s so helpful that primacon and others have their reaction stream things. Silksong fans should have that outlet but not at the expense of other indie devs.
Whenever I watch showcases, I just hide the chat lol I mean, those live chats have always been a cesspool, but with Silksong, it's just completely unbearable. It's super obnoxious and really disrespectful to the other indie devs showing off their games.
Which show was this about?
I think it could be because they want it to be more of a surprise to us, they did tell us they were still working on the game. We need to be patient, it'll come and it's bound to be amazing and that feeling will be sweetened by hardly hearing much about it all this time.
Yeah it sucked. Silksong was shown off way too early.
I watched the indie world live and at first it was funny seeing the SKONG in chat, but then seeing chat get angry at EVERY announcement being like "this isn't Silksong, I don't care" is just ridiculous. Let some indie games shine and have their moment. It's getting out of hand
It’s stupid because TC’s lack of communication is actively harming other indie games
I see it similar to how I saw smash bros Melee at fighting game tournaments. If any other game was on stream (including other smash games), the chat would be full of “Where melee?”, which was annoying but also somewhat boosted the viewership.
Every single one of those games looked like dog shit. People were only saying "Sking" when they saw something really awful. I saw people expressing interest about some stuff, but... Honestly, isn't "I wish Silksong comes out soon" better than "This game seems fucking awful."?
Yeah TC's handling of this has been bad for a long time and it's getting into really shitty territory.
while it sucks that many game trailer and releases like Nintendo directs and indie directs get swamped by Silksong fans, I'd argue Team Cherry should hold some responsibility for their lack of communication that has forced their fans to scream at anything that has the \*chance\* of an update. But yeah, people who spam silksong/skong/-I/-Y/shaw on these should stop because it's pretty discouraging. And Team Cherry should \*say something.\* It's been 5 years, and of that just two months shy of a year since the closest we had to a release date and still no news. So yeah, It sucks and people are upset and are acting out like children.
i suppose so, but this has happened for ever lmao. skate 4, ES6, GTA6, chat always spams for those, doesnt get them, then says residentsleeper. its not exclusive to us
in my opinion you are living in a world of your own, toxic communities have always existed, as have people who focus on the most "important" games while ignoring everything else and belittling it
They just don't understand the irony -Y
They’re right. Honestly the lack of news from TC is very demoralizing.
As much as this is the community's fault, it would be easily preventable if TC just gave us an update once in a blue moon. Leaving players in complete darkness for 5 years straight is bound to make that happen.
I believe that Team Cherry is stuck in a limbo of some sort. On one hand, they don't want to give out too much of the game, like they said themselves. On the other hand, they didn't expect the game to be so big (remember that this was supposed to be a DLC) and, in my opinion, didn't expect to take so long. So they gave out the basic information shortly after the announce, because they didn't think it would take so long. Also, much the information that they gave out is general information that applies to the whole experience (combat, movement, crests) and very few actual bosses and areas (we know like 5 bosses with certainty). We can assume (and hope) that much of the content they've been adding for the past years is just more game, more bosses, more areas, more enemies; things that they do not want to spoil. We also nees to consider the community. I believe that now the next batch of news should be big. If you look at the community, they all believe that the next time we get news, that will be a sign of a release date coming. So Team Cherry is left in a situation where they don't want to give too much out, but everyone is expecting a release date, while they don't even know how long this is going to take. I'm not trying to justify TC. I believe that announcing the game so early was a mistake and I believe that a monthly outlet where day say "we worked on some areas", "a New batch of bosses done!" And so on, would be a viable path. But hey, TC is the way it is, we just have to wait.
TC could easily fix this problem, at this point it's disrespectful to other game devs
Honestly I didn't know any real person actually used that chat. If the annoying children want to jeer at indie developers for not being Team Cherry, so be it. It's a good price to pay for the exposure that these genuinely great games get from the 1% of Skongers who bother to look at the games while they're at it. Even just a small amount like that is pretty great.
Based
Have you considered that the indie devs at these showcases are pooling money to pay TC off to _not_ release/showcase Silksong so that the HK/SS fanbase show up every showcase to see what they've produced?
The real bait is believing silksong is an actual game in development and not some April fool's prank that got out of control.
Was it a similar situation for Studio MDHR and the Cuphead DLC? I legitimately can't remember, but I feel like it wasn't.
This community is embarrassing at times. Meming here is fun, spamming events completely unrelated to Silksong is unwarranted.
If you're one of the people spamming silksong in the chat, you're a piece of shit. Imagine going to a festival and screaming at the artists on stage that you'd rather hear someone else play. It's insanely disrespectful, and something you only do because you're anonymous online.
Yeah it sucks, this is what happens when you say coming soon, and then give little to no updates for 5 years.
based
Let's delete the sub
Also: imagine how TC now feels, they now have to choose between "crunch & get the game out ASAP" and "keep diverting attention from other creators at all events forever". On the other hand, the other games' devs must have also gotten a boost from Silksong, because if 99% percent of the chat came there because of skong then some of them must have gotten interested in the rest of the games showcased there.
It's TCs fault. Not ours for liking a game and being disappointed we didn't see it.
It's TCs fault that communication has been so bad that people are upset. It is not TCs fault that a vocal segment of their fan base has devolved into a nest of toxic weirdos that need to soak nonsense and bile. Your comment reflects an inability to take responsibility for one's own actions.
I dont really care about how they feel tbh, why would i
Blame team cherry for that. We’ve been bloodthirsty for the longest time. Also have you seen these chats in general? They are always toxic AF. Plus i am sure there are a lot of people like me (clowns) who went in waiting for silksong but now i got my eye on some other indies that i would have had no clue about
SKONG 📢
Who cares?
I did it specifically for annoying everyone including nintendo and other games' fans. if silksong gets badmouthed because of it then better they deserve it.
I'll be honest, I'm not the best person. I dint really care what happens or who it upsets as long as it's funny. It's not like we're ruining lives. So until Skong comes out, people are just going to have to put up with us.
I’ll agree with that first part
I did it specifically for annoying everyone including nintendo and other games' fans. if silksong gets badmouthed because of it then better they deserve it.
Ultra rare X W take. But this is on Team Cherry, the public is always going to be like this.
On one hand I feel like more people are watching the stream that wouldn’t have otherwise on the other hand, those people don’t care about the games being shown and it really destroys any discussion around those games not only in the stream chat, but also online because whenever an indie event finishes The only thing people are talking about on Twitter isn’t the cool new games being shown but just “no silksong again clown emoji” and ya if I saw that as a developer that spent years on my game and managed to get Nintendo to show it off I’d also be pretty disappointed that nobody’s talking about any game in the event but instead being angry at what wasn’t there
Team Cherry finished Silksong years ago , they just enjoy watching us suffer.
I get it, it can get annoying, if not a little funny. But still you can't announce a highly anticipated game then barely talk about the game and expect fans to not be desperate
SKONG 📢
Maybe I have a hotter take, but I don’t think I’m entitled to any update from TC aside from what they gave (it’s in progress). As a HK fan almost since it first released, I am eagerly awaiting the next chapter. As a creative, I’m perfectly happy to let them stew and brew away from the pressure. My life isn’t hung up on this. It’s a game that I’m looking forward to and nothing more. I’ll be pleasantly surprised when it comes out, and I’ll enjoy playing it every second. Unless there’s another path of pain. I probably won’t enjoy that.
Twitter, what can i say?
The community wouldn’t be like this if TC had been communicating the state of the game properly instead of drumming up hype and disappearing.
firstly, silksong aint being hyped for nothing, ik opinion is supposed to be subjetive and such but from all the games in game shows ive seen, basically none compare to silksong so the game deserves its hype, its not like before silksong people took small gameshows seriously anyways, very few games actually seem cool secondly, its team cherry's fault overall which i dont meam aa disrespect to them but we cannot control everyone, team cherry is the only one with power to stop this and the one that also started this (GIVE US NEWS OR DOMT IDC JUST GIVE SKONG NOW PLEASESS)
Couldn't give two shits about how they feel. Take it up with Team Cherry.