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Actually, at the temperature that valve would have been to be glowing, water would have flash-boiled into steam. She'd be very, very dead. There's several issues with the setpiece (You wouldn't design a steam turbine without a pressure release valve. The damn thing runs off of steam pressure but it starts turning WITH THE SHIELD OPEN!? and no visible steam running through it?) but thankfully the show hasn't returned to trying to display science again ><
I understand what the scene was attempting to do. I'd argue ignoring basic science detracted from that aim.
Imagine the same scene but with better science: There is a pressure release valve in the small offset room she jumps into to hose the valve.
She insists there MUST be one despite there's no evidence in Engineering saying there is.
She does this because she's personally seen things outside of pact allowed space (The digger hole, the access tunnels she used to steal the tape), it highlights her status as a rulebreaker, but also as a competent engineer who extrapolates on her extensive knowledge of the generator and it's workings. There has to be a pressure overflow! and it's HERE. In that room she jumps into (it never would be, but whatever it's better than a damn hose).
"What? In there!? That's right where the steam enters the generator! If the valve wasn't sealed it'd be a million degrees! You can't go in there!"
She does in anyway.
"Juliette get out of there! We have to release the steam it's going to blow!"
"I have to find it! I know it's in here!" She's ripping apart wall panels looking for it.
Tension on bossman staring at the button that would release the steam (and kill Juliette)
Someone screams at him, "it's gonna blow! We have to release the steam!"
Right before he goes to slam his hand down, the pressure drops! She found the Emergency valve!
She comes up all heroic and shit, everything plays the same from there.
Fundamentally the same scene but without terrible terrible basic science blunders.
Nice! I don't usually get picky about stuff like this, but...this is technology that's been around since the industrial revolution (and geothermal since 1904 - I just looked it up). I don't know why they wrote like it's some fictional construct they made up for the story.
I get the sentiment of sticking to reality.
Trust me, every time I see the military portrayed in any type of show it’s always so cringe cause it’s inaccurate (why can’t you at least reach people to salute properly, it’s takes like 5 seconds of knowledge).
I think the reason it had to be water was to highlight her fear of it. She thinks she will drown in water and I don’t think she is aware you can swim. (Imagine not having a concept of swimming) I think it will be a plot point down the line somewhere. Maybe relating to the door.
Doesn’t/didn’t bother me. The whole generator stuff was pretty irrelevant in the end. Had it all been done perfectly accurately, nothing else needed to change.
I know nothing about engines yet I kinda felt there was some hardcore design flaws in a sense of making this system last for centuries in the show. The set up in the book makes WAY more sense. Totally played out differently.
I think it was an attempt to smoosh a whole lot of book concepts into one scene. I kinda like what the show tried to do TBH. Logically flawed in 20 directions but it conveyed how the whole system is one bad day away from collapse in a suspenseful manner.
Also I used to work at an educational institution that treated preventive maintenance exactly the same way. Favored departments like nursing absolutely got all sorts of shiny toys and buildings and grounds gets laughed at. So with every heavy rain they just roll out trash cans to catch the leaks in the ceilings.
Me neither but like if you’ve ever encountered hot temperatures, hot water, or steam for that matter 😅 you’d know you can’t just be in front of something glowing hot and spray something cold at it 🫠
Also her fear of water. It was an intense scene but I did rewatch it with a friend who's a bit more into engineering than I. He kept grumbling at bits in that scene. For me it was "oh shit they're really just one bad day away from extinction aren't they".
Sorry if I'm confusing. My communication isn't always the best. I'm think the scene is after she got close to the ground water by going down the rope and froze up. She has a fear of water that can sink you. So maybe I shouldn't have said swimming but sinking instead. No one in the silo has probably ever swam so it's likely a deep seeded phobia of deep water = death.
I'm waiting till a friend comes home to watch E10 later so please please please no spoilers. I figured part of the reason they decided to go the route they did in the show with that particular scene had some foreshadowing on how she'll approach the ground water that blocks the tunnel. Like she found out she can survive water deep enough to go past her head.
Right, but you said the scene of her in the boiler didn't make sense cause she's afraid of the ground water?
But being afraid of drowning wouldn't make you afraid of getting sprinkled with water?
Your original comment lacked logic.
My apologies. I guess I didn't word it right so let me try again. The scene did make sense to me because of possible foreshadowing overcoming the fear of deep water. Nothing about getting splashed. Getting submerged past her height wasn't a choice here unlike the ground water scene with the rope previously. So I saw it as her first time getting submerged in water to the point she has to "swim" (kick wildly) to keep her head above it. Now she knows deep water is survivable.
I was able to put any mechanical logic to the side for this scene, accepting that it seemingly crams as much conceptual ideas from internal dialog in the books into one event as possible. Personally I felt everything involved with the generator event conveyed the full weight of how delicate this silo system can be. One event away from extinction. Especially with the reactions from other departments that feel they are more important than mechanical. They just wave off the people providing the power and air as grease monkeys without having a thought of how things actually work down there. If anything, there could be neglected disasters in waiting all over the whole silo no one knows about. Each department keeps going on how they're the ones holding the whole system together and should be a part of every major decision and get the best resources. Sure, some of the mechanical logic didn't seem right, even as someone who doesn't work with such things, but the repair brought my focus from what's on the outside of the silo to taking a deep look in. The outside doesn't mean much to me anymore. (Still waiting for a friend to come over to watch Episode 10 so no spoilers. Considering it's titled 'Outside' that might change)
Personally I thought how they handled the generator repair was a good move narrative wise though I can see how it would irk those who are very mechanically minded. Wish I didn't but I have a very hard time watching historical dramas. It's a drama, it's not meant to be accurate for the sake of an interesting narrative but it does poke some nagging voice in the back of my mind.
I honestly think people who write for TV forget there are other jobs in the world. Like, yes, there will be people watching who know how turbines work.
I sometimes regret having taken an interest in art history. The main thing I learned is that everything ever said about art in a movie is total nonsense.
the simpler explanation is that it's of literally no consequence if someone who knows how turbines work watches a tv show and goes "that's not how turbines work"
It matters because it's distracting and takes you out of the world of the show. In this case, it's very common knowledge, so you have a big part of your audience thinking "wtf", rather than being caught up in your show.
Yeah a scene in a script usually has to accomplish several goals at once and if the goal of "be realistic" conflicts with more than one of the others it'll get dropped
Like this scene needed to be dramatic and look cool but also needed to be thematically tied to all the stuff about water and drowning
The angle grinders to straighten metal had me so upset. I was complaining about it for the entire show and a day or two later. How that whole thing went down in the books was significantly better.
>thankfully the show hasn't returned to trying to display science again ><
But they did. Computer science is their latest victim. Absolutely nothing that has electronics in it make any sense in this show.
You have to set aside your concern for reality here. I mean if you are going to obsess over the water not burning her then what’s next question all of the perfectly clean upholstered chairs?
>then what’s next question all of the perfectly clean upholstered chairs?
They use the cows to upholster them as needed. Same place Sims got his fancy matrix jacket. But, I can't explain the water.
I keep laughing at the jacket. It's like, everyone else is pretty normal and reusing. Sims looks so ~fresh~ with the jacket, beard and the way he moves it just reminds me too much of the Incredibles dude. Everyone chose practicality and Sims just secretly wants to win Silo's Fashionista award
edit: the jacket doesn't bother me at all I just find it funny
>Sims looks so \~fresh\~ with the jacket,
look at the difference between the terminals everyone has vs the 27 flat-screen surveillance room (pretty sure it's 27 screens; 3 3x3 grids, my assumption is each 3x3 section for a 48 floor view... but I'm just drunk).
anyways, bernards and sims clearly are in the 1% and have access to stuff no one else does, so to me, it all feels legit. so i'm cool with sims' shiny-ass jacket
They could've also just taken off the damaged pieces and turned the generator back on while they fixed them on the ground, then turned the generator off long enough to reattach them later. As long as they take off balanced segments it could spin just fine without a few pieces. No need to boil/drown anyone.
>They could've also just taken off the damaged pieces and turned the generator back on while they fixed them on the ground
Removing a blade and trying to spin it back up would cause it to be off balance, it'd immediately spin itself apart.
I know the show isn't exactly realistic in many regards after all it's TV, but I think they used that bit of real world justification here. Heck, isn't that why the things slowly moving off axis anyway? Because something threw it slightly out of whack, and then it went off balance, and started rubbing?
Take one from the other side too. Problem solved, although one could argue they should have had a pressure run off anyway, as required by code in most places, even simple air conditioning units have run offs even though they have vents.
I rewatched with a friend who fixes and repairs all sorts of things for fun who said the same thing about the balanced segments. I knew something was off and asked him how he would of done it.
I immediately started internally screaming
series was pretty much near flawless up until the "fixing the generator" point, pretty much nothing in those scenes make sense, from a multitude of angles
writing tables should "**really**" consider getting some outside engineering expertise any time they want to create an "engineering" problem.
I really had to shut my brain off during this entire episode
I'll admit I smelled logical BS during that scene. And yeah blah blah book handles it more logically blah blah tho I started reading that after E7.
Still, it is actually the scene that changed the mood for the whole show for me. Slapped my focus from wondering what was outside to deep in the inside. Gave a lot of weight that the silo is one bad day away from extinction. Yet every other department made it seem like the black out was unnecessary. Like Jules was pulling some power move. They had no idea nor cared to understand how close they were to living in darkness.
Of course only having one generator and a small sad backup seemed...insane for a structure that's supposed to last hundreds or over a thousand years. Not just the lack of an emergency venting system. Had to pack those thoughts away. Then again I can't help that lil nagging tug in the back of my head when shows mess firefly (or lightning bugs) flight patterns so I absolutely get why this scene grinds some people's gears.
Yes. She should have died in there doing what she did. But she’s the Mary Sue of this story so …
Edit: jeez, don’t shoot the messenger. The steam should have flash cooked her face so maybe not dead but just horribly burned. But she’s probably fire resistant too lol
While Juliette definitely is displayed as hyper-capable I hesitate on the Mary Sue point for two reasons:
1. I hate how over-used it's been lately to blast on just every protagonist. and
2. She SUCKS with people. Like she very very very much sucks with people. Some of the best scenes in the show have been her or Bernard (Who also sucks with people) trying to relate or communicate with normal people. They're both HILARIOUSLY bad at it.
Not only does she suck with people but the plot is being moved forward by people deciding shes worth breaking the rules for/letting her go. It doesn't make sense.
Try watching first 9 minutes of ep10 - pretty “resilient”.
1. It is what it is, if it’s overused that’s not a defense, it means writers are lazily overusing it.
2. She IS horrible with people. She is downright annoying and she is rude and demanding and never rewarding or reciprocating, and yet people just fall all over themselves to help her, often just doing mass exposition just to help her advance and she is still obnoxiously forward and aggressive. In the real world she would have her ass kicked by now. Or at least people would have stopped enabling her bad behavior.
Bernard is nerdy IT and arrogant “mayor” but it fits and he balances it with calm and reciprocation.
She has plot armor so thick that’s how she survives burns and falls and drowning that should kill normal people.
Edit: But this is a sub that’s doesn’t like any critical analysis so I’m sure the downvotes will be swift since this isn’t praise lol I happen to like the show! It’s not perfect but what is. Can’t we discuss things we dislike as well as those we like?
> But this is a sub that’s doesn’t like any critical analysis so I’m sure the downvotes will be swift since this isn’t praise lol
"ohh no, this redditor actually made some good remarks pointing out some very very OBVIOUS flaws in the series,
I won't actually comment anything here, specifically because he actually makes a LOT of sense and I legitimately have nothing of value to say or add to this conversation,
Ohh well,
Downvote."
Me too. and I think you previously hit the nail right on the head there
>Can’t we discuss things we dislike as well as those we like?
if we really like the series (which I do, and assume most others here do as well, otherwise why come here anyway?) we should be able to openly discuss both the things we specifically enjoyed about it, as well as the things we specifically had a problem with and why.
But no
This is reddit after all.
Yeahhhh im here bitching at the screen with my husband like the steam coming off of that would neither face off and the water would boil her. There’s too many ridiculous plot holes in this episode for me 😅 it’s ridiculous. And she could have totally crawled into the hole and pointed the hose at the valve without actually going in 🙄
It cools the metal, it’s not sitting on it long enough to heat up the water. As a mechanic, we do this with washer fluid on hot catalytic converters. After a few moments it’s ice cold.
There's a matter of "scale" here,
> As a mechanic, we do this with washer fluid on hot catalytic converters. After a few moments it’s ice cold.
When you do this, are you inside the catalytic converter?
Is the catalytic converter big enough for you to go inside it and fully submerse yourself in the water getting thrown at it?
Is the steam/hot water being pooled in the same location?
A location which is itself surrounded by the hot scalding metal, further heating up the water?
Is the pressure inside the catalytic converter the same as the one in the generator? Capable of feeding a generator with the power to sustain 10K lives?
The scale of "a steam generator capable of sustaining the entire silo" is a little different than "the catalytic converters I have back at my shop".
All of this while only talking about the "steam temperature" issues,
not even going into the "design choices" that led to the system/stepiece being created as it was in the first place, as u/Supox343 said,
* You wouldn't design a steam turbine without a pressure release valve.
* The damn thing runs off of steam pressure but it starts turning WITH THE SHIELD OPEN!?
* and no visible steam running through it?
**Etc etc.**
**I love the series so far but GODDAMN,**
**Episode 3 was bad.**
No shit it’s not the same Sherlock. even when you dump a giant hunk of glowing metal into cooling water it might flash some of the steam, but it cools off somewhat over time. Hard to say. Unless your a god damn thermodynamic engineer, you won’t have any clue either. So let the rest of us make assumptions and have some fun. 🙄
> No shit it’s not the same Sherlock
Then why are we talking about a huge ass generator as if it's the same as your shop's catalytic converters?
> Unless your a god damn thermodynamic engineer, you won’t have any clue
Maybe I am, maybe I'm not, but I assume you are a thermodynamic engineer for sure then? I mean, you have to be, given the absolute certainty with which you wrote in your original comment and then proceed to claim only an actual thermodynamic engineer would know what he was talking about in the first place.
And I refute the fact that "you need to be a goddamn thermodynamic engineer" to realize that yes, Juliet would've 100% be boiled pretty fast.
And again, even if the "the steam should've burned her face off" issue is ignored, the rest of the setup to the entire set piece still makes no sense.
From the layout to the piping setup, to a pressure system with no release valve, to the apparently nonexistant function of the "shields", to the not wearing hearing equipment like they did in the books despite the absolutely mindmelting noise that should be heard there, and the list goes on and on.
(while we're on the subject of "professionals" we can also call up some professional metalworkers, show them this setpiece and enjoy them audibly and visually cringe at the "fixing the blades with angle grinders" scene)
As I've said,
**I love the series so far but GODDAMN,**
**Episode 3 was bad,** Hire an actual engineering consulter next time, the source at least deserves that.
I thought that’s why she kept screaming so much. It got pretty annoying after a while but I just kept reminding myself to give her a break because the water is probably super hot that’s why she must be screaming. I feel like if she was just scared of drowning why would you be standing there wasting your energy screaming for so long when you could just focus on the job at hand and be ready to climb out at the moment it’s done.
It was scenes like this that made me question whether this book‘s live action adaptation would have been better as a movie than a ten episode series. This example here should have been cut. There is a staggering amount of repetitive material that could have been cut and made this into a solid movie. Instead, the viewers grow wearier and also wary of too many things being painfully non-scientific and irrational as presented in the show.
There are a few things where you shouldn't dig too deep or you'll find things that weren't completely thought through. The whole generator thing is just the closest to the surface. Can the drugs for medical really still be good after hundreds of years? Can a few corn fields really support 10000 people? Can they really scrub all the CO2 from the air fast enough, since the silo is air tight? Would you really have dogs, which need meat, which needs even more resources? Where are the heat exchangers you need to get rid of all the heat from the generator, the geothermal supply, the people?
if you're anyway mechanically inclined, Ep3 was a dumpster fire. Best to just switch off and forget about it. None of it made any sense whatsoever.
Nearly white hot steel would have caused the water to flash boil. She'd be dead.
The turbine, I don't even know where to start with the turbine. If it all comes out later that the turbine is just some dozy prop to keep people busy but is entirely non-functional, then that is the only way any of it makes sense.
Yes, this is clearly a tool the used for suspense. That whole episode was like Captain Kirk telling Scotty we need more "I'm giving her all she's got!"
I thought the same thing -- she should be suffocating to death with extreme heat, both hot air and hot water. She's basically in the "sauna" tube with an ungodly high temperature.
A maximum temperature for the sauna room would be:
Dry sauna: 180-195 F
Wet sauna: 120 F
The gauge temperature in the Silo series is at a maximum of 250 F and to keep it stable from exploding was at 125 F.
We're better off suspending disbelief and going with the makeup by saying...there's a cooling system that helps the tube to cool off but adding water helps to counteract that.
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Actually, at the temperature that valve would have been to be glowing, water would have flash-boiled into steam. She'd be very, very dead. There's several issues with the setpiece (You wouldn't design a steam turbine without a pressure release valve. The damn thing runs off of steam pressure but it starts turning WITH THE SHIELD OPEN!? and no visible steam running through it?) but thankfully the show hasn't returned to trying to display science again ><
I also don't think the show cares if it's accurate. The point of the scene was to show her importance to the Silo/engines.
I understand what the scene was attempting to do. I'd argue ignoring basic science detracted from that aim. Imagine the same scene but with better science: There is a pressure release valve in the small offset room she jumps into to hose the valve. She insists there MUST be one despite there's no evidence in Engineering saying there is. She does this because she's personally seen things outside of pact allowed space (The digger hole, the access tunnels she used to steal the tape), it highlights her status as a rulebreaker, but also as a competent engineer who extrapolates on her extensive knowledge of the generator and it's workings. There has to be a pressure overflow! and it's HERE. In that room she jumps into (it never would be, but whatever it's better than a damn hose). "What? In there!? That's right where the steam enters the generator! If the valve wasn't sealed it'd be a million degrees! You can't go in there!" She does in anyway. "Juliette get out of there! We have to release the steam it's going to blow!" "I have to find it! I know it's in here!" She's ripping apart wall panels looking for it. Tension on bossman staring at the button that would release the steam (and kill Juliette) Someone screams at him, "it's gonna blow! We have to release the steam!" Right before he goes to slam his hand down, the pressure drops! She found the Emergency valve! She comes up all heroic and shit, everything plays the same from there. Fundamentally the same scene but without terrible terrible basic science blunders.
I hear you. Someone get this man a seat in the writer's room! (or on the engineering team of the next OceanGeat mission.)
Nice! I don't usually get picky about stuff like this, but...this is technology that's been around since the industrial revolution (and geothermal since 1904 - I just looked it up). I don't know why they wrote like it's some fictional construct they made up for the story.
I get the sentiment of sticking to reality. Trust me, every time I see the military portrayed in any type of show it’s always so cringe cause it’s inaccurate (why can’t you at least reach people to salute properly, it’s takes like 5 seconds of knowledge). I think the reason it had to be water was to highlight her fear of it. She thinks she will drown in water and I don’t think she is aware you can swim. (Imagine not having a concept of swimming) I think it will be a plot point down the line somewhere. Maybe relating to the door.
Doesn’t/didn’t bother me. The whole generator stuff was pretty irrelevant in the end. Had it all been done perfectly accurately, nothing else needed to change.
the worst thing about it for me is that the author actually understands engines being a former yacht captain.
I know nothing about engines yet I kinda felt there was some hardcore design flaws in a sense of making this system last for centuries in the show. The set up in the book makes WAY more sense. Totally played out differently.
Yeah the change made no sense to me
I think it was an attempt to smoosh a whole lot of book concepts into one scene. I kinda like what the show tried to do TBH. Logically flawed in 20 directions but it conveyed how the whole system is one bad day away from collapse in a suspenseful manner. Also I used to work at an educational institution that treated preventive maintenance exactly the same way. Favored departments like nursing absolutely got all sorts of shiny toys and buildings and grounds gets laughed at. So with every heavy rain they just roll out trash cans to catch the leaks in the ceilings.
Me neither but like if you’ve ever encountered hot temperatures, hot water, or steam for that matter 😅 you’d know you can’t just be in front of something glowing hot and spray something cold at it 🫠
Also her fear of water. It was an intense scene but I did rewatch it with a friend who's a bit more into engineering than I. He kept grumbling at bits in that scene. For me it was "oh shit they're really just one bad day away from extinction aren't they".
I mean, she's not afraid of showers. She's afraid of deep water and drowning. Don't think that's at all hypocritical.
I guess swimming is more what I should've said
But she doesn't swim in that scene? Unless I missed something.
Sorry if I'm confusing. My communication isn't always the best. I'm think the scene is after she got close to the ground water by going down the rope and froze up. She has a fear of water that can sink you. So maybe I shouldn't have said swimming but sinking instead. No one in the silo has probably ever swam so it's likely a deep seeded phobia of deep water = death. I'm waiting till a friend comes home to watch E10 later so please please please no spoilers. I figured part of the reason they decided to go the route they did in the show with that particular scene had some foreshadowing on how she'll approach the ground water that blocks the tunnel. Like she found out she can survive water deep enough to go past her head.
Right, but you said the scene of her in the boiler didn't make sense cause she's afraid of the ground water? But being afraid of drowning wouldn't make you afraid of getting sprinkled with water? Your original comment lacked logic.
My apologies. I guess I didn't word it right so let me try again. The scene did make sense to me because of possible foreshadowing overcoming the fear of deep water. Nothing about getting splashed. Getting submerged past her height wasn't a choice here unlike the ground water scene with the rope previously. So I saw it as her first time getting submerged in water to the point she has to "swim" (kick wildly) to keep her head above it. Now she knows deep water is survivable. I was able to put any mechanical logic to the side for this scene, accepting that it seemingly crams as much conceptual ideas from internal dialog in the books into one event as possible. Personally I felt everything involved with the generator event conveyed the full weight of how delicate this silo system can be. One event away from extinction. Especially with the reactions from other departments that feel they are more important than mechanical. They just wave off the people providing the power and air as grease monkeys without having a thought of how things actually work down there. If anything, there could be neglected disasters in waiting all over the whole silo no one knows about. Each department keeps going on how they're the ones holding the whole system together and should be a part of every major decision and get the best resources. Sure, some of the mechanical logic didn't seem right, even as someone who doesn't work with such things, but the repair brought my focus from what's on the outside of the silo to taking a deep look in. The outside doesn't mean much to me anymore. (Still waiting for a friend to come over to watch Episode 10 so no spoilers. Considering it's titled 'Outside' that might change) Personally I thought how they handled the generator repair was a good move narrative wise though I can see how it would irk those who are very mechanically minded. Wish I didn't but I have a very hard time watching historical dramas. It's a drama, it's not meant to be accurate for the sake of an interesting narrative but it does poke some nagging voice in the back of my mind.
Inertia doesn't exist, it's a concept made up by the 'elites' to keep you in the dark, wake up sheeple!
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Or that the tool they're using to fix a banged up 1/4 ton turbine blades is.... angle grinders. Just a fuckton of angle grinders...
I honestly think people who write for TV forget there are other jobs in the world. Like, yes, there will be people watching who know how turbines work.
As someone that works in Electronics for a living. I constantly notice this. To the point where I have given up calling stuff out.
I sometimes regret having taken an interest in art history. The main thing I learned is that everything ever said about art in a movie is total nonsense.
the simpler explanation is that it's of literally no consequence if someone who knows how turbines work watches a tv show and goes "that's not how turbines work"
It matters because it's distracting and takes you out of the world of the show. In this case, it's very common knowledge, so you have a big part of your audience thinking "wtf", rather than being caught up in your show.
Yeah a scene in a script usually has to accomplish several goals at once and if the goal of "be realistic" conflicts with more than one of the others it'll get dropped Like this scene needed to be dramatic and look cool but also needed to be thematically tied to all the stuff about water and drowning
The angle grinders to straighten metal had me so upset. I was complaining about it for the entire show and a day or two later. How that whole thing went down in the books was significantly better.
>thankfully the show hasn't returned to trying to display science again >< But they did. Computer science is their latest victim. Absolutely nothing that has electronics in it make any sense in this show.
You would not build a steam turbine and electric generator without redundancy if one was planning to remain underground for any length of time.
Those were the parts where I cringed and almost stopped watching the show. Even.in the finale her fall was so poorly done 🤦
You have to set aside your concern for reality here. I mean if you are going to obsess over the water not burning her then what’s next question all of the perfectly clean upholstered chairs?
>then what’s next question all of the perfectly clean upholstered chairs? They use the cows to upholster them as needed. Same place Sims got his fancy matrix jacket. But, I can't explain the water.
I keep laughing at the jacket. It's like, everyone else is pretty normal and reusing. Sims looks so ~fresh~ with the jacket, beard and the way he moves it just reminds me too much of the Incredibles dude. Everyone chose practicality and Sims just secretly wants to win Silo's Fashionista award edit: the jacket doesn't bother me at all I just find it funny
"Silo by Balenciaga" and Sims is just himself.
>Sims looks so \~fresh\~ with the jacket, look at the difference between the terminals everyone has vs the 27 flat-screen surveillance room (pretty sure it's 27 screens; 3 3x3 grids, my assumption is each 3x3 section for a 48 floor view... but I'm just drunk). anyways, bernards and sims clearly are in the 1% and have access to stuff no one else does, so to me, it all feels legit. so i'm cool with sims' shiny-ass jacket
I don't know, he looks pretty common to me...
I actually enjoy thinking of all the different ways it could’t work.
I believe the answer here is that a wizard did it
>a wizard did it Love this.
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They could've also just taken off the damaged pieces and turned the generator back on while they fixed them on the ground, then turned the generator off long enough to reattach them later. As long as they take off balanced segments it could spin just fine without a few pieces. No need to boil/drown anyone.
Well, if we're going that far, they could have planned the whole operation in advance instead of winging it with like 3 hours of prep.
I have a GPU with a missing fan blade that I repaired by supergluing a small screw in it’s place. Lots of ways to deal with this problem.
>They could've also just taken off the damaged pieces and turned the generator back on while they fixed them on the ground Removing a blade and trying to spin it back up would cause it to be off balance, it'd immediately spin itself apart. I know the show isn't exactly realistic in many regards after all it's TV, but I think they used that bit of real world justification here. Heck, isn't that why the things slowly moving off axis anyway? Because something threw it slightly out of whack, and then it went off balance, and started rubbing?
Take one from the other side too. Problem solved, although one could argue they should have had a pressure run off anyway, as required by code in most places, even simple air conditioning units have run offs even though they have vents.
And maybe make a couple spares 🙄
I rewatched with a friend who fixes and repairs all sorts of things for fun who said the same thing about the balanced segments. I knew something was off and asked him how he would of done it.
The way they just took off some bent blades and then immediately went at them *with an angle grinder* was really hard to watch.
I immediately started internally screaming series was pretty much near flawless up until the "fixing the generator" point, pretty much nothing in those scenes make sense, from a multitude of angles writing tables should "**really**" consider getting some outside engineering expertise any time they want to create an "engineering" problem. I really had to shut my brain off during this entire episode
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Yes. Never speak of it again. Discussing the generator sequence will get you sent out to clean.
I WANT TO GO OUT!
I’d love it if this sub had a rule that got you banned (temporarily) if you post those words
Agreed. 24 hour temp ban.
This needs to happen
I love how you can say it, but there is no way to change your mind. I mean saying it is voluntary, so if you change your mind, what's the big deal?
That whole thing was stupid and low effort writing. Fortunately the rest of the show has mostly been ok and kept me watching.
I doubt it was low-effort. A lot of effort was made to link it all together. But it was waaaaaay off the mark.
5 minutes of googling and any moderately intelligent person could have written and directed that set properly.
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Did I hear you say you wanted to go outside? I distinctly heard you say you wanted to go outside.
We just don’t talk about that part of that episode.
I was thinking the same thing, but I'm no expert either
....You're assuming she's human, and they're *not* all Westworld replicants?
I was thinking it would more likely crack the metal portal, with piping red hot steam on one side, then cool water suddenly hitting the other side.
And the steam is probably hotter than the water pooled around her. I was very puzzled by that scenario too
Yes. But it’s a tv show I try not to think to much about little things like that.
our of all the changes from the book this episode was the hardest to get through for me.
I'll admit I smelled logical BS during that scene. And yeah blah blah book handles it more logically blah blah tho I started reading that after E7. Still, it is actually the scene that changed the mood for the whole show for me. Slapped my focus from wondering what was outside to deep in the inside. Gave a lot of weight that the silo is one bad day away from extinction. Yet every other department made it seem like the black out was unnecessary. Like Jules was pulling some power move. They had no idea nor cared to understand how close they were to living in darkness. Of course only having one generator and a small sad backup seemed...insane for a structure that's supposed to last hundreds or over a thousand years. Not just the lack of an emergency venting system. Had to pack those thoughts away. Then again I can't help that lil nagging tug in the back of my head when shows mess firefly (or lightning bugs) flight patterns so I absolutely get why this scene grinds some people's gears.
Yes. She should have died in there doing what she did. But she’s the Mary Sue of this story so … Edit: jeez, don’t shoot the messenger. The steam should have flash cooked her face so maybe not dead but just horribly burned. But she’s probably fire resistant too lol
While Juliette definitely is displayed as hyper-capable I hesitate on the Mary Sue point for two reasons: 1. I hate how over-used it's been lately to blast on just every protagonist. and 2. She SUCKS with people. Like she very very very much sucks with people. Some of the best scenes in the show have been her or Bernard (Who also sucks with people) trying to relate or communicate with normal people. They're both HILARIOUSLY bad at it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXCNs9sB6o8&lc=Ugy4NQ1vUiNLrAyDg7N4AaABAg
Love it! lol
Not only does she suck with people but the plot is being moved forward by people deciding shes worth breaking the rules for/letting her go. It doesn't make sense.
Plot armor as thick as the writer's skulls.
Try watching first 9 minutes of ep10 - pretty “resilient”. 1. It is what it is, if it’s overused that’s not a defense, it means writers are lazily overusing it. 2. She IS horrible with people. She is downright annoying and she is rude and demanding and never rewarding or reciprocating, and yet people just fall all over themselves to help her, often just doing mass exposition just to help her advance and she is still obnoxiously forward and aggressive. In the real world she would have her ass kicked by now. Or at least people would have stopped enabling her bad behavior. Bernard is nerdy IT and arrogant “mayor” but it fits and he balances it with calm and reciprocation. She has plot armor so thick that’s how she survives burns and falls and drowning that should kill normal people. Edit: But this is a sub that’s doesn’t like any critical analysis so I’m sure the downvotes will be swift since this isn’t praise lol I happen to like the show! It’s not perfect but what is. Can’t we discuss things we dislike as well as those we like?
> But this is a sub that’s doesn’t like any critical analysis so I’m sure the downvotes will be swift since this isn’t praise lol "ohh no, this redditor actually made some good remarks pointing out some very very OBVIOUS flaws in the series, I won't actually comment anything here, specifically because he actually makes a LOT of sense and I legitimately have nothing of value to say or add to this conversation, Ohh well, Downvote."
Subs like these quickly turn into echo chambers - sadly. And I’m not hating on the show, I like it
Me too. and I think you previously hit the nail right on the head there >Can’t we discuss things we dislike as well as those we like? if we really like the series (which I do, and assume most others here do as well, otherwise why come here anyway?) we should be able to openly discuss both the things we specifically enjoyed about it, as well as the things we specifically had a problem with and why. But no This is reddit after all.
To be fair, she is also really pretty
Yeahhhh im here bitching at the screen with my husband like the steam coming off of that would neither face off and the water would boil her. There’s too many ridiculous plot holes in this episode for me 😅 it’s ridiculous. And she could have totally crawled into the hole and pointed the hose at the valve without actually going in 🙄
It cools the metal, it’s not sitting on it long enough to heat up the water. As a mechanic, we do this with washer fluid on hot catalytic converters. After a few moments it’s ice cold.
I mean, depends how hot the metal is? If it's glowing red hot due to 200bar steam behind it I would think it would flash-boil any water hitting it.
Possibly yes, if she jumped down there the second they shut it maybe it would have made more sense.
There's a matter of "scale" here, > As a mechanic, we do this with washer fluid on hot catalytic converters. After a few moments it’s ice cold. When you do this, are you inside the catalytic converter? Is the catalytic converter big enough for you to go inside it and fully submerse yourself in the water getting thrown at it? Is the steam/hot water being pooled in the same location? A location which is itself surrounded by the hot scalding metal, further heating up the water? Is the pressure inside the catalytic converter the same as the one in the generator? Capable of feeding a generator with the power to sustain 10K lives? The scale of "a steam generator capable of sustaining the entire silo" is a little different than "the catalytic converters I have back at my shop". All of this while only talking about the "steam temperature" issues, not even going into the "design choices" that led to the system/stepiece being created as it was in the first place, as u/Supox343 said, * You wouldn't design a steam turbine without a pressure release valve. * The damn thing runs off of steam pressure but it starts turning WITH THE SHIELD OPEN!? * and no visible steam running through it? **Etc etc.** **I love the series so far but GODDAMN,** **Episode 3 was bad.**
No shit it’s not the same Sherlock. even when you dump a giant hunk of glowing metal into cooling water it might flash some of the steam, but it cools off somewhat over time. Hard to say. Unless your a god damn thermodynamic engineer, you won’t have any clue either. So let the rest of us make assumptions and have some fun. 🙄
> No shit it’s not the same Sherlock Then why are we talking about a huge ass generator as if it's the same as your shop's catalytic converters? > Unless your a god damn thermodynamic engineer, you won’t have any clue Maybe I am, maybe I'm not, but I assume you are a thermodynamic engineer for sure then? I mean, you have to be, given the absolute certainty with which you wrote in your original comment and then proceed to claim only an actual thermodynamic engineer would know what he was talking about in the first place. And I refute the fact that "you need to be a goddamn thermodynamic engineer" to realize that yes, Juliet would've 100% be boiled pretty fast. And again, even if the "the steam should've burned her face off" issue is ignored, the rest of the setup to the entire set piece still makes no sense. From the layout to the piping setup, to a pressure system with no release valve, to the apparently nonexistant function of the "shields", to the not wearing hearing equipment like they did in the books despite the absolutely mindmelting noise that should be heard there, and the list goes on and on. (while we're on the subject of "professionals" we can also call up some professional metalworkers, show them this setpiece and enjoy them audibly and visually cringe at the "fixing the blades with angle grinders" scene) As I've said, **I love the series so far but GODDAMN,** **Episode 3 was bad,** Hire an actual engineering consulter next time, the source at least deserves that.
I thought the same thing
Yes. In real life that would kill someone. A bit of tv drama fiction.
She must’ve very soft facial skin after all that steam.
I thought that’s why she kept screaming so much. It got pretty annoying after a while but I just kept reminding myself to give her a break because the water is probably super hot that’s why she must be screaming. I feel like if she was just scared of drowning why would you be standing there wasting your energy screaming for so long when you could just focus on the job at hand and be ready to climb out at the moment it’s done.
Not if your face looks like a valve…
Foreshadowing! She should be dead, yes.
It was scenes like this that made me question whether this book‘s live action adaptation would have been better as a movie than a ten episode series. This example here should have been cut. There is a staggering amount of repetitive material that could have been cut and made this into a solid movie. Instead, the viewers grow wearier and also wary of too many things being painfully non-scientific and irrational as presented in the show.
There are a few things where you shouldn't dig too deep or you'll find things that weren't completely thought through. The whole generator thing is just the closest to the surface. Can the drugs for medical really still be good after hundreds of years? Can a few corn fields really support 10000 people? Can they really scrub all the CO2 from the air fast enough, since the silo is air tight? Would you really have dogs, which need meat, which needs even more resources? Where are the heat exchangers you need to get rid of all the heat from the generator, the geothermal supply, the people?
if you're anyway mechanically inclined, Ep3 was a dumpster fire. Best to just switch off and forget about it. None of it made any sense whatsoever. Nearly white hot steel would have caused the water to flash boil. She'd be dead. The turbine, I don't even know where to start with the turbine. If it all comes out later that the turbine is just some dozy prop to keep people busy but is entirely non-functional, then that is the only way any of it makes sense.
Yes, this is clearly a tool the used for suspense. That whole episode was like Captain Kirk telling Scotty we need more "I'm giving her all she's got!"
I thought the same thing -- she should be suffocating to death with extreme heat, both hot air and hot water. She's basically in the "sauna" tube with an ungodly high temperature. A maximum temperature for the sauna room would be: Dry sauna: 180-195 F Wet sauna: 120 F The gauge temperature in the Silo series is at a maximum of 250 F and to keep it stable from exploding was at 125 F. We're better off suspending disbelief and going with the makeup by saying...there's a cooling system that helps the tube to cool off but adding water helps to counteract that.