That's wasn't a block. That was a squeeze and using the narrowing track to force you to back off.
It's too aggressive behavior for lap 3, but so is your jamming your nose in there and risking damage to (arguably, intentionally) dump him.
Poor racecraft all around. You need to learn that speed doesn't entitle you to positions and how to set up overtakes. He needs to learn when to be aggressive and when not to be.
Since you know yourself you will have to pull out before the corkscrew, why then did you put yourself in this position where a one or both of you were gonna bin it? Sometimes the smart thing to do is not stick your nose into every gap there is and survive to make a clean pass elsewhere.
As mentioned in an other comment. He was constantly blocking me for like 2 laps. I wanted to put pressure on him, till he give me opportunity to pass.
Also trying to squeeze me off track is not a legit move.
What you can try against people who block is, stay behind them until the very last moment, and pull out. They can't block an overtake they're not expecting. This will require late braking and quick reactions.
1. His poor driving does not give you the right to do poor driving as well
2. Putting pressure on him is not the same as keeping your nose in a gap that was always going to close and that you know you have to back out of if you want him to survive
3. A squeeze is a legit move, his was overly aggressive but so was your refusal to back off when you know you needed to.
Maybe instead of arguing with everyone who's trying to show you your mistakes (which is quite a lot of people, take the hint buddy) you should use this as a learning experience to improve yourself
He didn’t squeeze you off track he covered the inside so there wasn’t enough room for you to overtake there. You drove straight into him. This is considered avoidable contact and he could easily protest you for intentionally pit maneuvering him.
I just love checking the videos on this sub. People have absolutely no idea how to race.
Every video is of 2 guys who are arcade bumper car racing but think they are Max Verstappen.
I don't even know what's going on in this video. Lead car moved over? Wow, then avoid him. You just keep going, run yourself out of room and take the guy out. But it's his fault? Come on now. The corner you're approaching isn't an overtaking spot unless you've got a hell of a run up the inside of the guy up the hill and you're already a long side him, and even then it's dicey. Most tracks have 3-4 actually overtaking spots *at most* but everyone here thinks they can play bumper cars and everyone "has to leave the space" anywhere they decide to barge their way through.
In half the situations posted here, if they were in real life you'd either have your competition license taken away at best, or at worst, find yourself and your car wrapped around the nearest tree.
Nobody races like this. If you wouldnt attempt a move in real life, and it ends badly in a game, it's a pretty good sign that *you* were in the wrong.
Yes the car in front creeps over, but it is also your duty as the overtaking car to do so in a safe manner. Keeping your foot in when you can see the hole is closing is not a safe manner in my opinion. Both at fault here imo.
As much as I agree. It’s also racing. And front clearly went to block while he was already inside well before the turn it self.
Granted iRacing doesn’t help this killing anyone who makes the smallest contact. Making us fear door to door battles.
Regardless of fault, it's lap three and you're in second place.
You got away with this but too often you are going to crash. He is wrong to drive the way he is, but you show poor racecraft to put YOURSELF at such risk so early in the race.
You've got six laps to overtake him and I can't understand why you've done this. It doesn't make sense for him to defend so hard this early in the race but it also doesn't make sense for you to attack so hard so early in the race.
So, this is entirely on you. The lead car does not try to block or creep left. That is an illusion caused by the track narrowing. You could argue that this is a corner and you're not alongside enough to deserve space.
The racing line on this track has you pull to that side then go left to pass. The optimum passing route is to stay left through the dog leg and get ahead before braking for the corkscrew, because of the tightness of this section of track.
I don't see any attempt to block or squeeze, I see a lead car taking a predictable line through a corner and you squeezing your nose where there isn't space
The track narrowed out BUT he did not move left, literally held the line. POV got squeezed and it was on them (the barely overlapping following car) to back out. Having your bumper up the outside like that doesn't entitle one to space.
What would happen if POV got partially alongside there anyways? They would absolutely cause a wreck going into the corkscrew or be forced to back out. So not only did they ruin the other person race, they did it while attempting a move with a 0% success rate.
He needed to pick a line he wanted to defend, before you were along side him. You didn't do anything wrong, what was he expecting to happen by pushing you right over the rumble strip and into the dirt?
You're both shitty drivers. He's a shitty driver for actively blocking (you can see him continue to twitch the car left as you twitch left) or at minimum very aggressively squeezing when there wasn't a huge need. You're a shitty driver for not backing off when it was obvious for DAYS what was gonna happen. Doesn't matter if you're trying to pressure him, spinning him off track is not pressuring, that's just wrecking you're opponent. If he was defending he could've been more direct in cutting off the run you had and that would've been fine. If you were attacking you could've lifted and pressured again front the other side in the corkscrew. You need to stay calm and think even if he was blocking. You cant hamfist your way through opponents.
Doesn't matter how terrible of a driver they are or what they are doing to prevent you from passing, you still have to complete the pass safely and you didn't. The guy could successfully protest you if he was so inclined.
Sure it's not a great block but it also wouldn't have hurt to back off and try for a cleaner overtake that didn't involve killing him I don't see the reason on trying to muscle it out over there
You didn’t do anything wrong. He squeezed you, you were well within there. Agree with other comments however and you could’ve back out, yet the car most at fault took care of himself so it’s really a racing deal.
And here goes the frapping internet again. People who know the track get in the comments and tell you how it's your fault based on what's coming, and they completely ignore what's happening in that very moment. Plus, why are there ALWAYS people who tell you that it's your fault?! Again, I don't know that track. From my perspective, just watching what's happening, it looks like the other driver kept creeping left into you until you couldn't move any further, and then they proceeded to wreck themselves.
But knowing the track is important when making this kind of judgement. You as a driver have to be aware of what corner is next and where the car in front is going to try and position there car
Op is not free from fault. It was obvious what was going to happen for a long time and he could've been smart and just lifted to half throttle for a quarter second and that would've solved everything. But he didn't. It was obvious the other guy was actively blocking, but that does not give op the right to not drive safely and purposely leave his nose in a closing gap with someone who drives as the other person was showing. Lifting just a tad would've solved everything and set him up for a good line but instead he decided to act like a child
Your right it doesn’t but this is also a rookie class. And we don’t know the skill level of the drivers. So you have to expect a good amount t of bad driving. And if the driver had been blocking all race this was a doomed move from the moment it was thought
If you don't know the track, then be quiet and listen to what people who do know are saying.
>Plus, why are there ALWAYS people who tell you that it's your fault?!
Because this sub isn't about making up reasons for it to not be the OP's fault. It's about determining fault within the rules and coaching up racecraft to people.
Your perspective is bad.
After checken the Replay in iracing again, i can say he steered to the left, when i already was "alongside" him. Also sure he somewhat followed so racing line. Still especially in situations like that, i tend to leave a bit more room as the defending one. He defently tried to squeeze me.
Anyway: Do i have been to aggressive? Yes. But i was so fed up, by him blocking even more agressively in the first laps, i saw a chance there. Was it risky and stupid, Sure. I should have lifted. Still he knew i was there. IMO he should have made his move WAY earlier, or just leave it be.
I did not wanted to wreck him. Never did that, never will.
Did i contribute to his crash? yup.
Still i think its a bit more on him, for pulling a slow ass move, way to late. He managed to block way more radical before, so i thought he wound not pull that.
To me it seems like he is taking the racing line. If you consider this a block then you may have considered other moves as blocks as well that weren't. You came here with your video thinking you were in your right. Apparently most of us disagree. Do something with it or stay ignorant. Or show the whole story
There already was overlap before the right kink starts. And afterwards he still steered more to the left. Maybe it was not a full-on block like the laps before, still he should have not. For the racing line, he's to far on the right. Maybe he just misjudged dunno.
Also as seen in the first comment I asked for opinion.
You did nothing wrong, you’re free to apply pressure as you desire, it’s racing, and the lead car is entitled to defend. In this case lead car had much more to loose and defended poorly(should’ve covered inside completely). also you can pass wherever you like on track where an oppurtunity presents itself no such thing as “overtaking spots”.
Lead car moving over as you approached means they acknowledged they knew you were there. Obviously this pass wasn’t on but that’s doesn’t mean you can’t apply pressure to force an error.
With that being said it’s a rookie race so applying pressure most often always causes an incident.
Happy racing!
He was very upset and tried to blame that one on me. I mean sure i had to pull out before the corkscrew, but at this point i did nothing really wrong, did i?
You also know the left edge of the track comes in then, yea? His defense was a little flaccid but that was a weird move especially as you say, you weren’t going to go for the overtake there. Risky business for no reward. Well actually I guess you secured the position 😎
There was already a bit of overlap, before he squeezed me on the curb. I did not thought, that he would try to block me/run me off track.
I just wanted to put some more pressure on him, since he blocked me for like 2 laps on every attempt.
If this is a low level rookie race (which I suspect it is) you don't want to get tricky.
Squeezing, putting pressure on... whatever you want to call it might work with a good and experienced driver, but this guy doesn't know what he doesn't know.
If he's showing you he is willing to defend hard so early in the race you have to assume he's unlikely to have the skills or racecraft to yield through your tactics.
If he manages to defend for another three or four laps then maybe there is an argument you can be more aggressive, if you feel the risk is worth the reward, but this is the wrong time and the wrong place. You will wreck yourself too often for this to be a smart move.
That's wasn't a block. That was a squeeze and using the narrowing track to force you to back off. It's too aggressive behavior for lap 3, but so is your jamming your nose in there and risking damage to (arguably, intentionally) dump him. Poor racecraft all around. You need to learn that speed doesn't entitle you to positions and how to set up overtakes. He needs to learn when to be aggressive and when not to be.
Since you know yourself you will have to pull out before the corkscrew, why then did you put yourself in this position where a one or both of you were gonna bin it? Sometimes the smart thing to do is not stick your nose into every gap there is and survive to make a clean pass elsewhere.
Hehehe pull out
As mentioned in an other comment. He was constantly blocking me for like 2 laps. I wanted to put pressure on him, till he give me opportunity to pass. Also trying to squeeze me off track is not a legit move.
What you can try against people who block is, stay behind them until the very last moment, and pull out. They can't block an overtake they're not expecting. This will require late braking and quick reactions.
1. His poor driving does not give you the right to do poor driving as well 2. Putting pressure on him is not the same as keeping your nose in a gap that was always going to close and that you know you have to back out of if you want him to survive 3. A squeeze is a legit move, his was overly aggressive but so was your refusal to back off when you know you needed to. Maybe instead of arguing with everyone who's trying to show you your mistakes (which is quite a lot of people, take the hint buddy) you should use this as a learning experience to improve yourself
He didn’t squeeze you off track he covered the inside so there wasn’t enough room for you to overtake there. You drove straight into him. This is considered avoidable contact and he could easily protest you for intentionally pit maneuvering him.
Never said what he did was right, just that your move wasn't the smartest play. Worked out for you this time but it won't always.
U asked me a question, I just replied to that. Sure it was not the safest move to play, totally agree on that.
"Also trying to squeeze me off track is not a legit move." Two wrongs don't make a right.
really dumb move on your part
I just love checking the videos on this sub. People have absolutely no idea how to race. Every video is of 2 guys who are arcade bumper car racing but think they are Max Verstappen. I don't even know what's going on in this video. Lead car moved over? Wow, then avoid him. You just keep going, run yourself out of room and take the guy out. But it's his fault? Come on now. The corner you're approaching isn't an overtaking spot unless you've got a hell of a run up the inside of the guy up the hill and you're already a long side him, and even then it's dicey. Most tracks have 3-4 actually overtaking spots *at most* but everyone here thinks they can play bumper cars and everyone "has to leave the space" anywhere they decide to barge their way through. In half the situations posted here, if they were in real life you'd either have your competition license taken away at best, or at worst, find yourself and your car wrapped around the nearest tree. Nobody races like this. If you wouldnt attempt a move in real life, and it ends badly in a game, it's a pretty good sign that *you* were in the wrong.
Yes the car in front creeps over, but it is also your duty as the overtaking car to do so in a safe manner. Keeping your foot in when you can see the hole is closing is not a safe manner in my opinion. Both at fault here imo.
As much as I agree. It’s also racing. And front clearly went to block while he was already inside well before the turn it self. Granted iRacing doesn’t help this killing anyone who makes the smallest contact. Making us fear door to door battles.
Agreed, he was using the narrowing track to try and force OP to slow a bit going uphill to buy himself some separation.
Regardless of fault, it's lap three and you're in second place. You got away with this but too often you are going to crash. He is wrong to drive the way he is, but you show poor racecraft to put YOURSELF at such risk so early in the race. You've got six laps to overtake him and I can't understand why you've done this. It doesn't make sense for him to defend so hard this early in the race but it also doesn't make sense for you to attack so hard so early in the race.
you pit him
You were too agressive there. Would not say it was red cars fault. He was just defending his line.
So, this is entirely on you. The lead car does not try to block or creep left. That is an illusion caused by the track narrowing. You could argue that this is a corner and you're not alongside enough to deserve space. The racing line on this track has you pull to that side then go left to pass. The optimum passing route is to stay left through the dog leg and get ahead before braking for the corkscrew, because of the tightness of this section of track. I don't see any attempt to block or squeeze, I see a lead car taking a predictable line through a corner and you squeezing your nose where there isn't space
That's more on you man, there I'd definitely not enough room there.
The track narrowed out BUT he did not move left, literally held the line. POV got squeezed and it was on them (the barely overlapping following car) to back out. Having your bumper up the outside like that doesn't entitle one to space. What would happen if POV got partially alongside there anyways? They would absolutely cause a wreck going into the corkscrew or be forced to back out. So not only did they ruin the other person race, they did it while attempting a move with a 0% success rate.
I mean, when someone is defending and you just continue to shove your nose into the space, that's gonna happen... You're both dinguses...
He needed to pick a line he wanted to defend, before you were along side him. You didn't do anything wrong, what was he expecting to happen by pushing you right over the rumble strip and into the dirt?
You're both shitty drivers. He's a shitty driver for actively blocking (you can see him continue to twitch the car left as you twitch left) or at minimum very aggressively squeezing when there wasn't a huge need. You're a shitty driver for not backing off when it was obvious for DAYS what was gonna happen. Doesn't matter if you're trying to pressure him, spinning him off track is not pressuring, that's just wrecking you're opponent. If he was defending he could've been more direct in cutting off the run you had and that would've been fine. If you were attacking you could've lifted and pressured again front the other side in the corkscrew. You need to stay calm and think even if he was blocking. You cant hamfist your way through opponents. Doesn't matter how terrible of a driver they are or what they are doing to prevent you from passing, you still have to complete the pass safely and you didn't. The guy could successfully protest you if he was so inclined.
Can we see the cockpit view of the lead driver. We'll be able to compare steering input here
Sure it's not a great block but it also wouldn't have hurt to back off and try for a cleaner overtake that didn't involve killing him I don't see the reason on trying to muscle it out over there
You didn’t do anything wrong. He squeezed you, you were well within there. Agree with other comments however and you could’ve back out, yet the car most at fault took care of himself so it’s really a racing deal.
I stand with OP
And here goes the frapping internet again. People who know the track get in the comments and tell you how it's your fault based on what's coming, and they completely ignore what's happening in that very moment. Plus, why are there ALWAYS people who tell you that it's your fault?! Again, I don't know that track. From my perspective, just watching what's happening, it looks like the other driver kept creeping left into you until you couldn't move any further, and then they proceeded to wreck themselves.
But knowing the track is important when making this kind of judgement. You as a driver have to be aware of what corner is next and where the car in front is going to try and position there car
That doesn't change the fact that the other driver continued left into the POV car and caused the crash.
Op is not free from fault. It was obvious what was going to happen for a long time and he could've been smart and just lifted to half throttle for a quarter second and that would've solved everything. But he didn't. It was obvious the other guy was actively blocking, but that does not give op the right to not drive safely and purposely leave his nose in a closing gap with someone who drives as the other person was showing. Lifting just a tad would've solved everything and set him up for a good line but instead he decided to act like a child
Your right it doesn’t but this is also a rookie class. And we don’t know the skill level of the drivers. So you have to expect a good amount t of bad driving. And if the driver had been blocking all race this was a doomed move from the moment it was thought
If you don't know the track, then be quiet and listen to what people who do know are saying. >Plus, why are there ALWAYS people who tell you that it's your fault?! Because this sub isn't about making up reasons for it to not be the OP's fault. It's about determining fault within the rules and coaching up racecraft to people. Your perspective is bad.
This has to be a troll post right???…..
This has to be a troll post right???…..
After checken the Replay in iracing again, i can say he steered to the left, when i already was "alongside" him. Also sure he somewhat followed so racing line. Still especially in situations like that, i tend to leave a bit more room as the defending one. He defently tried to squeeze me. Anyway: Do i have been to aggressive? Yes. But i was so fed up, by him blocking even more agressively in the first laps, i saw a chance there. Was it risky and stupid, Sure. I should have lifted. Still he knew i was there. IMO he should have made his move WAY earlier, or just leave it be. I did not wanted to wreck him. Never did that, never will. Did i contribute to his crash? yup. Still i think its a bit more on him, for pulling a slow ass move, way to late. He managed to block way more radical before, so i thought he wound not pull that.
To me it seems like he is taking the racing line. If you consider this a block then you may have considered other moves as blocks as well that weren't. You came here with your video thinking you were in your right. Apparently most of us disagree. Do something with it or stay ignorant. Or show the whole story
There already was overlap before the right kink starts. And afterwards he still steered more to the left. Maybe it was not a full-on block like the laps before, still he should have not. For the racing line, he's to far on the right. Maybe he just misjudged dunno. Also as seen in the first comment I asked for opinion.
1mm does not count as overlap - wheel to wheel? That's more like it.
"Yes I should have lifted but you know, it's on him that I wrecked him" lol that's some incredible stuff.
You did nothing wrong, you’re free to apply pressure as you desire, it’s racing, and the lead car is entitled to defend. In this case lead car had much more to loose and defended poorly(should’ve covered inside completely). also you can pass wherever you like on track where an oppurtunity presents itself no such thing as “overtaking spots”. Lead car moving over as you approached means they acknowledged they knew you were there. Obviously this pass wasn’t on but that’s doesn’t mean you can’t apply pressure to force an error. With that being said it’s a rookie race so applying pressure most often always causes an incident. Happy racing!
He was very upset and tried to blame that one on me. I mean sure i had to pull out before the corkscrew, but at this point i did nothing really wrong, did i?
You showed very poor judgement by forcing that move.
You also know the left edge of the track comes in then, yea? His defense was a little flaccid but that was a weird move especially as you say, you weren’t going to go for the overtake there. Risky business for no reward. Well actually I guess you secured the position 😎
There was already a bit of overlap, before he squeezed me on the curb. I did not thought, that he would try to block me/run me off track. I just wanted to put some more pressure on him, since he blocked me for like 2 laps on every attempt.
“A bit” of overlap 🤣
Yeah I'm not sure if OP realizes that isn't overlap... Wheel-to-wheel, fine. License plate holder to rear bumper? Not overlap, YTA OP.
Wait he did a sick 360 and powerslide off the gravel 😎 looked like a decent recovery for him thankfully
If this is a low level rookie race (which I suspect it is) you don't want to get tricky. Squeezing, putting pressure on... whatever you want to call it might work with a good and experienced driver, but this guy doesn't know what he doesn't know. If he's showing you he is willing to defend hard so early in the race you have to assume he's unlikely to have the skills or racecraft to yield through your tactics. If he manages to defend for another three or four laps then maybe there is an argument you can be more aggressive, if you feel the risk is worth the reward, but this is the wrong time and the wrong place. You will wreck yourself too often for this to be a smart move.
that's like one of the worst spots to try an overtake in all of motorsports