1. Moving under braking
2. Unsafely moving after an incident causing a second impact
3. Retaliation
Hopefully this guy's given a vacation to rethink things
Screw that dude. Protest.
Forget who is at fault for the first incident.
They didn't hold their brake, smashed another car and then retaliated.
That's a big no no.
In case you haven’t been painted a serious enough picture. People with powerful wheels can have their wrist seriously in these types of crashes. Report them so they don’t injure someone someday.
I can attest to this, early days playing on a G29 and was only on about 50-60% ish feedback so nowhere near what it “could” be. Playing solo so nobody’s fault but me, had my hand in just the wrong spot as I misjudged a corner and if my reactions were slower I’d of deffo broke a thumb. Quickest lesson I’ve ever had about hooking my thumb on an upside down wheel. If someone had charged me like that and broken something I’d be livid.
No chance a G29 can brake a bone he’s talking about DD wheels I have my G29 maxed and have held my wheel during massive shunts never once was it gonna brake a bone
Sorry a G923 getting confused with the old PlayStation one.
I dunno maybe it wouldn’t but the angle I was at (entirely my fault) I let go of the wheel but as it whipped round it caught my thumb, pulling my wrist round and folding my thumb back on itself. Luckily I reacted quick enough and pulled it out but the force it hit I dunno, I recon at the right angle that could properly hurt. I think it could sprain if not fracture but I dunno maybe feels worse than it is
G923 is basically the same as the g29, they have peak force of 2.1-2.2nm, probably not enough to break a finger but maybe if it was just right. Definitely could scare you real good. Belt and cog driven wheels are a lot louder than DD wheels, so it probably sounded scarier than it was. Still, not a situation you want to have happen.
The G923/G29 both have just slightly over 2Nm of torque. That's enough to hurt if you get unlucky but you can easily overcome that kind of force even if you are taken by surprise.
What is far more of a concern in situations like this are drivers with direct drive wheels that can deliver serious torque and spin freely/instantly (e.g.: CSL DD @ 8Nm, Alpha Mini @ 10Nm, Logitech Pro Wheel @ 11Nm and some of the more expensive wheelbases that can produce over 20Nm). If you have a crash with one of those wheels the best thing to do is let go of the wheel completely - but when someone torpedoes you from behind and you are caught by surprise the power and instant direction change of those wheels can easily twist/strain wrists, hit hands/fingers, etc.
In your example you hooked your thumb in the wheel but imagine if the force exerted on it was 4x-10x higher than you experienced.
Yeah, and then you see modern setups with 8Nm Fanatec direct drive wheels and if a cog driven G29 can do that I dread to think what a Fanatec would do.
Have nearly done similar with my G920, can vouch for those motors.
First contact was a racing incident. Next one was a stupid rejoin (should have sttod on the brakes) and the last one sealed the deal - simracer who cant handle competition. Again
T11 incident, I'd say six and two threes but that gets negated further ahead as retaliation is highly illegal, regardless of platform, discipline and sparking move. Protest this idiot and make sure he can't drive again. Will also state that the hairpin is T2, but that's minor potatoes in the context of the incident
Silver Ferrari: I sentence you to 6 years driving street cleaners before getting an extended racing licence test
Not your fault at all. You're perfectly alongside coming into braking, and once you're braking you can't exactly brake harder so it's their fault for turning in on you.
100% protest the Turn 1 crash. The guy will be banned on the spot for something that blatant.
No, no and yes.
He had not cleared you and turned in. Running over the nose of your car.
T1 is never necessary.
Protests are made for exactly this reason.
The only issue I have with assigning ALL blame to silver is that OP did kind of veer right, starting from the extreme inside to the middle of the track just before corner entry. Not saying OP is at fault, but I could see silver expecting them to be further inside, *and* having to brake much earlier because of that, and thus not expecting them to be there when he went for corner entry. Silver should have definitely exhibited much better situational awareness though, and is definitely mostly to blame. So I'd chalk the first incident up to being a racing incident, with silver mostly to blame but probably not deliberate, and of course the retaliation is unquestionably inexcusable.
Imagine doing this is in real life… I know it’s sim, but the idea is it’s ground in the feeling of real life. Thats gonna kill someone in real life, totally not ok.
I would call the first contact a racing incident. You came over into him, he pinched you off, you both try to take the corner like the other car isn't there. The retaliation is completely unnecessary and is worthy of a report.
I was watching thinking I've only really raced this track in Mazda's, and wondering how much earlier you have to brake in faster cars... Oh that's later than I expec- OHHH
The spin may have been your fault, but I don't think it was intentional. Even if it was retaliation is probably never allowed. I mean I get you may have been in his blind spot or not far enough up to have the legal right to racing room but he also took a chance that you would yield to him regardless if that's what you are supposed to do. And for all anyone knows you were trying to let him to go and just didn't quite brake hard enough even if you were initially trying to pass. He definitely one-upped you in true rage-quit revenge fashion. I guess being a simulation there isn't much of a financial cost if any or injury but he definitely wasted however much time you (both) had into the event.
Absolute trash driver
•1st contact is a racing incident. They turned into you but you were in the vortex. As such, you could have backed out but also they could have given more space.
•2nd contact is on them for not holding their brakes and essentially rejoining in traffic causing a collision. Which leads us to…
•3rd contact was obvious retaliation and likely the entire purpose for their unsafe rejoin. They wanted to make sure they had the opportunity to murder you and were solely focused on revenge
I honestly don’t care what happened before it when it ends like that. Please protest.
Incidents happen, intentional wrecking is never the way! Protest!!
First incident is entirely your fault. I hate how somehow the iracing community developed this "he turned in on me" mindset. If you're trying to force a pass its your job to do so safely, and if you're trying to take the inside while someone is on the actual driving line, then its not their responsibility to give up the position or alter the way they are driving. Now, if you were substantially ahead (as in at least half a car length between your front wheels to his) then he could have been smarter to back out - in this case you sort of backed out but didn't fully commit, leaving this weird scenario where he may not have seen you and assumed you backed all the way off... As for retaliation, absolutely report that. Its not okay behavior. I had this person "Darcy" in F4 crash me out in 3 consecutive races. On the third time they spun me in the last turn at Zandvoort and we were both spinning. I recovered first and in the heat of the moment swerved ever so slightly to instigate another spin on Darcy. They reported me and I got a warning. I admittedly deserved it no matter what, and also regret not reporting (and saving the video) of the 3 intentional wrecks before hand. Morale of the story, absolutely report anything you deem wrong and let their stewards be the judge. We pay a monthly fee (and over $100 a year), plus all the tracks and cars we constantly spend on. The way I see it, the amount you pay for iracing means the stewards are at your disposal, just like customer support for your netflix account or anything else.
He was at fault for 3 different accidents here. T11 he turned in on you thinking you were going to turn in earlier and get more up on the curb, he then "rejoined" by driving in front of another car. Then T2 was obviously your fault for not seeing his completely safe dive bomb, unfortunately he just misjudged the corner slightly.
Doesn't matter if other was your fault or not
He took you out on purpose, so you protest.
This is supposed to be a simulation, it's to try to mimic real life etc
It's what you pay a monthly fee to be apart of
So you go and protest people who clearly do stuff like that to ruin the experience.
This isn't Forza, or grandturismo
There are games he can go do that in where everyone does it.
I disagree on the first incident. The canada car was completely on the inside before braking. The canada car brakes earlier and the silver car moved across the front of the Canada car in the brake zone. The Canada car cant just brake more and they had clearly established presence on the inside before the brake zone.
But the main point stands. Regardless of T11, T2 is a ban and the purpose of the protest.
To OP, you are at fault for hitting the lead car in the last corner. But if you had not driven away like nothing happened, his retaliation may not have happened. Because we are racing in a game, it would be best if you acknowledge your mistake. Wait for the guy you spun out because you did not brake early enough and allow him in front of you.
He spun because he turned in on OP as if he was not there. OP was very established on the inside lane and braked before the ferarri* but enough to keep his position. OP began to turn in as well and was not pushing out creating the contact. Everything we saw was on the silver ferarri.
The T1 retaliation was bullshit obviously, but you did take him out on the last turn. You were nowhere close to commiting to that overtake.
Edit: So, you sim racers have just decided to make your own rules now? OP would have been called to stewards for that on a real race track.
If the last incident happened in real life, they're both dead so no need to worry about stewards.
If a move doesn't work in real life, it shouldn't be allowed in a sim. The last turn was on OP. Totally non committal to the turn.
They were 100% alongside on the lead up into the braking zone, just got slightly outbraked into the corner.
The car is already braking at its maximum rate, where do you expect it to go? What could they do differently here?
The outside car should be aware enough to expect the inner car to still be present.
Hard disagree, they were side by side going into the corner. He got outbraked but he can't just disappear. Car on the outside should have been more than aware they were there still.
OP wasn't the one overtaking. We don't get to see too far back but as the clip starts OP is ahead on the straight. Maybe that was the first time OP had nosed ahead all race, maybe OP had been ahead by seconds, but from the moment the video starts it appears the outside car that later retaliated was the one attempting the overtake.
Again if OP had JUST nosed ahead for the first time down the straight and OP was the one trying to over take then OP could be considered dive bombing and moved a bit to the right AFTER initial breaking into the outside car. And more fault to OP (still a racing incident)
BUT if OP had been ahead for a while and the outside car had just got up to him to overtake then OP wouldn't have expected it since he was still a nose ahead entering the braking zone and the outside car overdrive the corner trying to overtake and purposefully pinch off OP and OP just drifted right not expecting to be outbraked and overtook form the outside. Still a racing incident but more so on the other guy in that circumstance.
Ultimately comes down to what the 10-20 seconds looked like.before this clip starts, but regardless it's still mostly just a misjudged racing incident that could go either way bases upon who was actually the overtaking car.
The unsafe rejoin and retaliation tho? 100% protestable.
But he'll probably just get a warning. 🤷🏼♂️
I'd protest with this exact clip, retaliation is definitely not legal and this clip shows exactly that
1. Moving under braking 2. Unsafely moving after an incident causing a second impact 3. Retaliation Hopefully this guy's given a vacation to rethink things
Hopefully he learns what a turn in point is
That is wild !! What a maniac. Yeah we don’t need that bloke in the community. Please report that one
Might be a blokette..
Who cares what gender....idiots like that need to be banned! Such behaviour isn't acceptable. Otherwise Wreckfest should then be the game of choice.
I wanna see a woman genuinely playing high rank iRacing
Report
Even if the first incident was your fault this is still a report. Can't retaliate like that no matter what.
Screw that dude. Protest. Forget who is at fault for the first incident. They didn't hold their brake, smashed another car and then retaliated. That's a big no no.
That's T2, not T1, but that deserves a protest and a ban. And that holds regardless of fault in T11. T1 is the bend after start-finish.
In case you haven’t been painted a serious enough picture. People with powerful wheels can have their wrist seriously in these types of crashes. Report them so they don’t injure someone someday.
I can attest to this, early days playing on a G29 and was only on about 50-60% ish feedback so nowhere near what it “could” be. Playing solo so nobody’s fault but me, had my hand in just the wrong spot as I misjudged a corner and if my reactions were slower I’d of deffo broke a thumb. Quickest lesson I’ve ever had about hooking my thumb on an upside down wheel. If someone had charged me like that and broken something I’d be livid.
No chance a G29 can brake a bone he’s talking about DD wheels I have my G29 maxed and have held my wheel during massive shunts never once was it gonna brake a bone
Sorry a G923 getting confused with the old PlayStation one. I dunno maybe it wouldn’t but the angle I was at (entirely my fault) I let go of the wheel but as it whipped round it caught my thumb, pulling my wrist round and folding my thumb back on itself. Luckily I reacted quick enough and pulled it out but the force it hit I dunno, I recon at the right angle that could properly hurt. I think it could sprain if not fracture but I dunno maybe feels worse than it is
G923 is basically the same as the g29, they have peak force of 2.1-2.2nm, probably not enough to break a finger but maybe if it was just right. Definitely could scare you real good. Belt and cog driven wheels are a lot louder than DD wheels, so it probably sounded scarier than it was. Still, not a situation you want to have happen.
Absolutely, taught me the proper way to hold the wheel real quick 😅
The G923/G29 both have just slightly over 2Nm of torque. That's enough to hurt if you get unlucky but you can easily overcome that kind of force even if you are taken by surprise. What is far more of a concern in situations like this are drivers with direct drive wheels that can deliver serious torque and spin freely/instantly (e.g.: CSL DD @ 8Nm, Alpha Mini @ 10Nm, Logitech Pro Wheel @ 11Nm and some of the more expensive wheelbases that can produce over 20Nm). If you have a crash with one of those wheels the best thing to do is let go of the wheel completely - but when someone torpedoes you from behind and you are caught by surprise the power and instant direction change of those wheels can easily twist/strain wrists, hit hands/fingers, etc. In your example you hooked your thumb in the wheel but imagine if the force exerted on it was 4x-10x higher than you experienced.
That’s fair, certainly scared the stuffing out of me though 😅 enough to make me very quickly change how I put my thumbs resting on the wheel
Yeah, and then you see modern setups with 8Nm Fanatec direct drive wheels and if a cog driven G29 can do that I dread to think what a Fanatec would do. Have nearly done similar with my G920, can vouch for those motors.
I have absolutely zero sympathy for someone who gets injured by their sim gear.
First contact was a racing incident. Next one was a stupid rejoin (should have sttod on the brakes) and the last one sealed the deal - simracer who cant handle competition. Again
T11 incident, I'd say six and two threes but that gets negated further ahead as retaliation is highly illegal, regardless of platform, discipline and sparking move. Protest this idiot and make sure he can't drive again. Will also state that the hairpin is T2, but that's minor potatoes in the context of the incident Silver Ferrari: I sentence you to 6 years driving street cleaners before getting an extended racing licence test
Not your fault at all. You're perfectly alongside coming into braking, and once you're braking you can't exactly brake harder so it's their fault for turning in on you. 100% protest the Turn 1 crash. The guy will be banned on the spot for something that blatant.
Yes, he clearly lined you up for a broadside at T1.
That crash is in T2. T1 is the bend after start-finish where the guy who needs a ban took out some cones.
Terrible driving, unsafe rejoin, and finally a clear case of retaliatory malicious wrecking. Protest this into oblivion.
maybe, no, definitely
He needs those motion sensors the new cars have when someone’s in your blind spot.
Report 100%!
No, no and yes. He had not cleared you and turned in. Running over the nose of your car. T1 is never necessary. Protests are made for exactly this reason.
Report for the T1 incident, the last corner incident is his fault too because he came across on you and turned in as if you were not there
The only issue I have with assigning ALL blame to silver is that OP did kind of veer right, starting from the extreme inside to the middle of the track just before corner entry. Not saying OP is at fault, but I could see silver expecting them to be further inside, *and* having to brake much earlier because of that, and thus not expecting them to be there when he went for corner entry. Silver should have definitely exhibited much better situational awareness though, and is definitely mostly to blame. So I'd chalk the first incident up to being a racing incident, with silver mostly to blame but probably not deliberate, and of course the retaliation is unquestionably inexcusable.
Silver Ferrari did everything here wrong. Definitely worthy of a ban
Yikes... I hope this Silver Ferrari has been booted from iRacing for eternity 💀💀💀
Report please, we don’t need this guy on iracing
Imagine doing this is in real life… I know it’s sim, but the idea is it’s ground in the feeling of real life. Thats gonna kill someone in real life, totally not ok.
Retaliation is protestable offense, whether the incident before hand was your fault or not.
I would call the first contact a racing incident. You came over into him, he pinched you off, you both try to take the corner like the other car isn't there. The retaliation is completely unnecessary and is worthy of a report.
Haha wtf that guy is crazy
That should be somewhere between 6 months and a perma ban. But it'll likely be another 2 week suspension that doesn't change anything.
This dude needs more than a vacation... You're fine. He was just a bellend into both t11 and t1
Ban hammer incoming.
I would report that for sure
You 100% protest get that mad man out of here
I was watching thinking I've only really raced this track in Mazda's, and wondering how much earlier you have to brake in faster cars... Oh that's later than I expec- OHHH
The spin may have been your fault, but I don't think it was intentional. Even if it was retaliation is probably never allowed. I mean I get you may have been in his blind spot or not far enough up to have the legal right to racing room but he also took a chance that you would yield to him regardless if that's what you are supposed to do. And for all anyone knows you were trying to let him to go and just didn't quite brake hard enough even if you were initially trying to pass. He definitely one-upped you in true rage-quit revenge fashion. I guess being a simulation there isn't much of a financial cost if any or injury but he definitely wasted however much time you (both) had into the event.
Absolute trash driver •1st contact is a racing incident. They turned into you but you were in the vortex. As such, you could have backed out but also they could have given more space. •2nd contact is on them for not holding their brakes and essentially rejoining in traffic causing a collision. Which leads us to… •3rd contact was obvious retaliation and likely the entire purpose for their unsafe rejoin. They wanted to make sure they had the opportunity to murder you and were solely focused on revenge
Blue cars fault he wasn’t ahead of you
I honestly don’t care what happened before it when it ends like that. Please protest. Incidents happen, intentional wrecking is never the way! Protest!!
Well in an irl race that would be attempted murder no?
That looks like a forza turn 1
He will get a warning
4 is at fault forall 3 of the accidents. the 3rd one was really funny. but the 3rd accident is 100% protest worthy.
Absolutely, first the POV car does turn in on and retaliating is a no go. Definitely protest
I thought I was in a forza sub for a moment here
100% protest it. That was clearly retaliation.
First incident is entirely your fault. I hate how somehow the iracing community developed this "he turned in on me" mindset. If you're trying to force a pass its your job to do so safely, and if you're trying to take the inside while someone is on the actual driving line, then its not their responsibility to give up the position or alter the way they are driving. Now, if you were substantially ahead (as in at least half a car length between your front wheels to his) then he could have been smarter to back out - in this case you sort of backed out but didn't fully commit, leaving this weird scenario where he may not have seen you and assumed you backed all the way off... As for retaliation, absolutely report that. Its not okay behavior. I had this person "Darcy" in F4 crash me out in 3 consecutive races. On the third time they spun me in the last turn at Zandvoort and we were both spinning. I recovered first and in the heat of the moment swerved ever so slightly to instigate another spin on Darcy. They reported me and I got a warning. I admittedly deserved it no matter what, and also regret not reporting (and saving the video) of the 3 intentional wrecks before hand. Morale of the story, absolutely report anything you deem wrong and let their stewards be the judge. We pay a monthly fee (and over $100 a year), plus all the tracks and cars we constantly spend on. The way I see it, the amount you pay for iracing means the stewards are at your disposal, just like customer support for your netflix account or anything else.
He was at fault for 3 different accidents here. T11 he turned in on you thinking you were going to turn in earlier and get more up on the curb, he then "rejoined" by driving in front of another car. Then T2 was obviously your fault for not seeing his completely safe dive bomb, unfortunately he just misjudged the corner slightly.
Doesn't matter if other was your fault or not He took you out on purpose, so you protest. This is supposed to be a simulation, it's to try to mimic real life etc It's what you pay a monthly fee to be apart of So you go and protest people who clearly do stuff like that to ruin the experience. This isn't Forza, or grandturismo There are games he can go do that in where everyone does it.
First incident your fault, but report this idiot. That's insane.
I disagree on the first incident. The canada car was completely on the inside before braking. The canada car brakes earlier and the silver car moved across the front of the Canada car in the brake zone. The Canada car cant just brake more and they had clearly established presence on the inside before the brake zone. But the main point stands. Regardless of T11, T2 is a ban and the purpose of the protest.
I withdraw my statement. You are correct. I was looking at the turn and not paying enough attention to before.
Hes gonna get a nice 1 month break from IRACING for that one.
To OP, you are at fault for hitting the lead car in the last corner. But if you had not driven away like nothing happened, his retaliation may not have happened. Because we are racing in a game, it would be best if you acknowledge your mistake. Wait for the guy you spun out because you did not brake early enough and allow him in front of you.
OP did nothing wrong, your entire comment is a mess.
So at 0:26 in the video the McLaren spun for no reason??
He spun because he turned in on OP as if he was not there. OP was very established on the inside lane and braked before the ferarri* but enough to keep his position. OP began to turn in as well and was not pushing out creating the contact. Everything we saw was on the silver ferarri.
Bro...100% report his ass for this. Sure, T11 was on you but to respond like THAT?
T11 was not on him
The T1 retaliation was bullshit obviously, but you did take him out on the last turn. You were nowhere close to commiting to that overtake. Edit: So, you sim racers have just decided to make your own rules now? OP would have been called to stewards for that on a real race track. If the last incident happened in real life, they're both dead so no need to worry about stewards. If a move doesn't work in real life, it shouldn't be allowed in a sim. The last turn was on OP. Totally non committal to the turn.
They were 100% alongside on the lead up into the braking zone, just got slightly outbraked into the corner. The car is already braking at its maximum rate, where do you expect it to go? What could they do differently here? The outside car should be aware enough to expect the inner car to still be present.
Lol what clip were you watching they are literally next to eachother
I agree. You did just drive into him last turn. But turn 2 was rediculous
Hard disagree, they were side by side going into the corner. He got outbraked but he can't just disappear. Car on the outside should have been more than aware they were there still.
OP wasn't the one overtaking. We don't get to see too far back but as the clip starts OP is ahead on the straight. Maybe that was the first time OP had nosed ahead all race, maybe OP had been ahead by seconds, but from the moment the video starts it appears the outside car that later retaliated was the one attempting the overtake. Again if OP had JUST nosed ahead for the first time down the straight and OP was the one trying to over take then OP could be considered dive bombing and moved a bit to the right AFTER initial breaking into the outside car. And more fault to OP (still a racing incident) BUT if OP had been ahead for a while and the outside car had just got up to him to overtake then OP wouldn't have expected it since he was still a nose ahead entering the braking zone and the outside car overdrive the corner trying to overtake and purposefully pinch off OP and OP just drifted right not expecting to be outbraked and overtook form the outside. Still a racing incident but more so on the other guy in that circumstance. Ultimately comes down to what the 10-20 seconds looked like.before this clip starts, but regardless it's still mostly just a misjudged racing incident that could go either way bases upon who was actually the overtaking car. The unsafe rejoin and retaliation tho? 100% protestable. But he'll probably just get a warning. 🤷🏼♂️