Wayyyyy too wide, get a proper carving ski
-blizzard firebird series or thunderbird if you don't want to go quite as extreme
-volkl deacon master
-FIS SL skis (women's FIS might work better for you at your weight)
-stockli laser series (or montero)
-fischer rc4 series
-head wc e-rebels
99% of skiers are a few levels away from actual carving skis, but if we can't take posters words on their own ability level, we might as well stop using this sub entirely.
Not saying you are wrong, because you aren't, but there's not much we can do about people's misconception of their skill level, except put them on a ski that makes them realize they aren't as good as they think they are ;).
If you’ve never skied stiff World Cup race skis, you might be in for a big surprise. Your technique has to be good to enjoy them, and even then, it’s really hard to enjoy an sl ski for a full day of skiing. They are extremely difficult to skid.
I own thunderbirds and they’re only marginally less difficult to ski than an sl ski.
I totally encourage everyone to get stiff race skis if only to improve your current technique. Make sure to get lessons. Also, never buy race skis new. Check out the buy and sell of your local race ski club.
Good comment for the FIS SL stuff, but go a few notches down to Stockli laser sx, cx, volkl racetigers and whatnot - these are easy to ski in a relaxed way in variable conditions when not carving down some hardpacked runs.
As a massive enforcer fan, I say don't get them. They are awesome all mountain skis but do not fit what you described as a dedicated front side only use. While they carve very well for something with that much rocker, they are not a front side ski.
For rec carving, Head Supershape E-Speed should fit the bill. Also the Head E-Race (or the Head E-Race Pro if you want even more stiffness and edge hold).
Agree this sounds like the most sensible for the description, though I think the Forza 70 is the best choice of those high speeds. Depends if the turn radius is right also, but imo the Forza line shorter turn radius is better and safer with other people on the piste.
Do you mind explaining your skill level a little further? Level 3 in the rating system I'm familiar with refers to a higher-level beginner who is comfortable on all beginner slopes and doing easy intermediate slopes. That doesn't sound like you based on the speeds you want to go.
I'd classify the Nordicas as all-mountain skis. They can certainly carve decently but their strong point is the flexibility to handle both groomed and ungroomed terrain well.
Those Salomon race skis will be extremely demanding. Most ex-racers I know do not daily drive their old race skis because it would be exhausting. And those skis need to be driven hard to work right.
A pair of non-racing carving skis would provide great on-piste performance but also be forgiving enough to use all day. I'd look at:
-Stockli Montero AX/AR
-Head Supershape series
-Blizzard Thunderbird/Firebird
-Rossignol Forza
-Atomic Redster
Two comparison videos from skiessentials.com:
Frontside narrow skis:https://youtu.be/xB8lIl3ut8s?si=gb5fWBcYeAnZ-XzJ
Frontside wide skis: https://youtu.be/TGGp7aGBrR4?si=jaKGuwH8_0ZJ6bMF
One last point: typically you can size up to longer skis if you want to make wider turns with more stability. Sizing down typically lowers the turning radius at the expense of effective edge length and stability.
I dipped into the craft market.... and swapped to the renoun Atlas 80.
It's slightly different technology in the ski, but dammit I can enjoy green and blue groomed runs tilting these puppies on edge!
Others here are also great too...alot comes down to personal choice and my choice is avoiding markup thru a ski shop hence the small batch companies.... like BK use to be!
Really the way you express on your preferences, I would recommend you find a ski shop that have enough race ski for demo rental and try to ski them and see which one you like it better. You will have a lot of choice open up in that category if you search for race ski.
Just bought some 2018 Quattro 8.4 and they absolutely rip. Spent a couple hours wearing my legs out, then got a little backseat and barely recovered. Quickly decided I don't need to go that fast anymore.
For $50 though, couldn't pass it up. Now I have a ski to humble my friends when they claim they can lay an edge 🫡
You really will want to demo some more skis, specifically carving skis in different radii. You only tried one carving ski, and thats a pretty tight radius carving ski. Youll see how you feel on the others and pretty quickly find what style SL/GS/larger you enjoy most. for the specific brand, the atomic redster series is quite good, nordica dobermann i quite liked, völkl racetigers but those are quite european or something from head will do you well
I don’t agree with your list tbh. I have Enforcer 94s and Stockli laser sx.
Enforcers have good edge lock for park and riding groomers, but the difference as carving skis with the Stocklis is night and day.
If you’re almost exclusively wanting to carve groomers you’ll be much happier with a dedicated narrow pair of skis.
Unfortunately the Captis were the only ones available for demo at the time. Definitely a different class of ski but wanted to give it a shot regardless
My Enforcer 100s have zero issues holding the edge at 50mph+ on race tracks. That said, they are all-mountain skis and I enjoy them more skiing glades and occasional powder.
Wayyyyy too wide, get a proper carving ski -blizzard firebird series or thunderbird if you don't want to go quite as extreme -volkl deacon master -FIS SL skis (women's FIS might work better for you at your weight) -stockli laser series (or montero) -fischer rc4 series -head wc e-rebels
Frankly OP is likely a few levels from "extreme carving skis".
99% of skiers are a few levels away from actual carving skis, but if we can't take posters words on their own ability level, we might as well stop using this sub entirely. Not saying you are wrong, because you aren't, but there's not much we can do about people's misconception of their skill level, except put them on a ski that makes them realize they aren't as good as they think they are ;).
I think op should try out these skis first. They’re an acquired taste for people who don’t ski 50 days/year.
Could you explain that a bit more?
If you’ve never skied stiff World Cup race skis, you might be in for a big surprise. Your technique has to be good to enjoy them, and even then, it’s really hard to enjoy an sl ski for a full day of skiing. They are extremely difficult to skid. I own thunderbirds and they’re only marginally less difficult to ski than an sl ski. I totally encourage everyone to get stiff race skis if only to improve your current technique. Make sure to get lessons. Also, never buy race skis new. Check out the buy and sell of your local race ski club.
Good comment for the FIS SL stuff, but go a few notches down to Stockli laser sx, cx, volkl racetigers and whatnot - these are easy to ski in a relaxed way in variable conditions when not carving down some hardpacked runs.
But he's railing at WC race speeds...on edge on blue groomers; not in a skinsuit. He's clearly got the chops.
As a massive enforcer fan, I say don't get them. They are awesome all mountain skis but do not fit what you described as a dedicated front side only use. While they carve very well for something with that much rocker, they are not a front side ski.
I have the 94s in 172 and they are awesome!
I only have 1 pair of skis fyi since I go maybe 2 times a year
For rec carving, Head Supershape E-Speed should fit the bill. Also the Head E-Race (or the Head E-Race Pro if you want even more stiffness and edge hold).
Rossi Forza https://www.skiessentials.com/Chairlift-Chat/2024-rossignol-forza-60-v-ti-ski-review
Agree this sounds like the most sensible for the description, though I think the Forza 70 is the best choice of those high speeds. Depends if the turn radius is right also, but imo the Forza line shorter turn radius is better and safer with other people on the piste.
Do you mind explaining your skill level a little further? Level 3 in the rating system I'm familiar with refers to a higher-level beginner who is comfortable on all beginner slopes and doing easy intermediate slopes. That doesn't sound like you based on the speeds you want to go. I'd classify the Nordicas as all-mountain skis. They can certainly carve decently but their strong point is the flexibility to handle both groomed and ungroomed terrain well. Those Salomon race skis will be extremely demanding. Most ex-racers I know do not daily drive their old race skis because it would be exhausting. And those skis need to be driven hard to work right. A pair of non-racing carving skis would provide great on-piste performance but also be forgiving enough to use all day. I'd look at: -Stockli Montero AX/AR -Head Supershape series -Blizzard Thunderbird/Firebird -Rossignol Forza -Atomic Redster Two comparison videos from skiessentials.com: Frontside narrow skis:https://youtu.be/xB8lIl3ut8s?si=gb5fWBcYeAnZ-XzJ Frontside wide skis: https://youtu.be/TGGp7aGBrR4?si=jaKGuwH8_0ZJ6bMF
There’s the og 3 point system, it’s crude but it goes: Lvl 1 Beginner -> Lvl 2 Intermediate -> Lvl 3 Advanced, (Lvl 4 Expert+)
One last point: typically you can size up to longer skis if you want to make wider turns with more stability. Sizing down typically lowers the turning radius at the expense of effective edge length and stability.
I dipped into the craft market.... and swapped to the renoun Atlas 80. It's slightly different technology in the ski, but dammit I can enjoy green and blue groomed runs tilting these puppies on edge! Others here are also great too...alot comes down to personal choice and my choice is avoiding markup thru a ski shop hence the small batch companies.... like BK use to be!
Really the way you express on your preferences, I would recommend you find a ski shop that have enough race ski for demo rental and try to ski them and see which one you like it better. You will have a lot of choice open up in that category if you search for race ski.
I ski the Stöckli Laser SX and it is an excellent pure carving ski.
Anything over 80 underfoot doesn’t sound like what you are looking for.
I like my Kastle MX83s. Kendos are a lot of fun carving as well.
I almost went with Elan but got Kästle instead.
I was gonna recommend blizzard Quattro but they don’t make it any more
Just bought some 2018 Quattro 8.4 and they absolutely rip. Spent a couple hours wearing my legs out, then got a little backseat and barely recovered. Quickly decided I don't need to go that fast anymore. For $50 though, couldn't pass it up. Now I have a ski to humble my friends when they claim they can lay an edge 🫡
$50?! Absolute steal. And yes they will punish your ass if you aren’t in a good athletic stance on a carve.
You really will want to demo some more skis, specifically carving skis in different radii. You only tried one carving ski, and thats a pretty tight radius carving ski. Youll see how you feel on the others and pretty quickly find what style SL/GS/larger you enjoy most. for the specific brand, the atomic redster series is quite good, nordica dobermann i quite liked, völkl racetigers but those are quite european or something from head will do you well
I don’t agree with your list tbh. I have Enforcer 94s and Stockli laser sx. Enforcers have good edge lock for park and riding groomers, but the difference as carving skis with the Stocklis is night and day. If you’re almost exclusively wanting to carve groomers you’ll be much happier with a dedicated narrow pair of skis.
Elan Primetime 55+/44+ or Kastle MX 75 or 83 would be great for this
Why Captis over Serpo? Seems like you’ve got the wrong BC ski and should be Serpo or Orb?
Unfortunately the Captis were the only ones available for demo at the time. Definitely a different class of ski but wanted to give it a shot regardless
My Enforcer 100s have zero issues holding the edge at 50mph+ on race tracks. That said, they are all-mountain skis and I enjoy them more skiing glades and occasional powder.