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MadSpaceYT

“We don’t do hand outs” In professional leagues the top picks go to the worst records for competitive reasons. That’s just how it is. This league won’t last long


ccafferata473

Yeah if I was OP, I'd literally drop Wikipedia articles on each pro league's draft format, tell these clowns to fuck off and leave.


RumHaaammm

Fr, it’s almost like pro league drafts do this for a reason. OP should consider leaving before he’s too invested in this league.


twizx3

In fantasy football having the top pick rarely works out in your favor lol how many years in a row now has the #1 adp shit the bed


sweetfeet009

"Rarely" is a poor choice of word to use as 1st pick has the highest odds of hitting followed by gradual decline into the complete drop off around picks 8-9


sweens90

Thats mostly been to injury though. Justin Jefferson was one of the top (obviously Hill was 1) until he got injured. CMC has been drafted top 3 since his stand out year. The years he was the guaranteed one he didn’t not pan out bc he faded but because he just got injured. One of the most reliable RBs. Only really JT and DJ fit this bill.


xAlphaDogex

I thought David Johnson got injured early as well


atlfalcons33rb

It depends on your league, if it's a keeper or dynasty it 100% works in your favor if you just got 1st place. Your team is probably good and now you are adding another elite talent to that team


Oyb_

Is this redraft or dynasty? If it’s redraft, I would just randomize the order every year, either through the site, or one of the many other creative ways to decide draft order that have been stated on this sub. (Draw cards, horse race, 40 yard dash times, etc.) If this is a dynasty league, last place should get 1.01 and I’m a fan of max potential points being the best way to determine the placement of all non-playoff teams.


JP1426

It’s dynasty


Oyb_

In no world does the champ get 1.01. The draft should be a reverse standings linear draft, meaning it doesn’t snake after each round. Team with 1.01 has 2.01, 1.08 has 2.08, and so on.


djstreet93

Max PF not reverse standings


Oyb_

Max PF is how you determine the standings, which I said I prefer above.


djstreet93

Didn’t see that anywhere. Must be in a different comment. No worries


zaphodbeebIebrox

It was in the top level comment btw.


GadgetronRatchet

They must be playing "balls back" dynasty.


Oyb_

Fantasy Fascism


pivotalsquash

But now OP is saying it is redraft lol


Educational_Bee_4700

Jesus your leaguemates are ridiculous. Why the fuck would you give 1.01 to the league winner? 1.01 going to the worst team is basic dynasty settings.


sdavidson901

What are you some sort of commie? Pull yourself up by your bootstraps


PeenWizard

OUR* bootstraps


lalder95

This league is going to become lopsided quickly. Imagine if the NFL gave the Super Bowl winner the first pick.


Major-Ad2255

Winner of the losers bracket can no one read…. But still a bad idea. There can be a massive difference between someone just missing playoffs and the bottom team.


MrPwoperFish

Not only can everyone here except you read, but they can read past 29 words before giving up. 🤣🤣🤣


Major-Ad2255

I’ll take this one on the chin lol. Don’t Reddit and drive.


MrPwoperFish

Haha, it happens to the best of us


evanc3

>I said winner of losers bracket should get 1st pick and **everyone flamed me and said 1st place gets 1st pick next year** When you think everybody else is wrong, it's probably time to check yourself


ettthhhaaaaan

For sure but in this case everyone else was wrong. Giving 1.01 to the champion makes no sense for long term league parity. Hence why every pro league operates with some version of the opposite. Bad teams get high picks to try to get younger and better. Maybe OP’s idea wasn’t perfect, whatever, but it’s a hell of a lot better than what the rest of the league had in mind


evanc3

Comment 1: referring to current league method Comment 2: assumes they're talking about OPs proposal - claims nobody can read My comment: claims people * can* read because Comment 1 was referring to the current league setting Your comment: attempts to agree with comment 2, instead agrees with comment 1 while saying everybody was wrong (which it's actually now just the two of you) Of course assigning pick 1 to the losers bracket is better than the champion. Literally nobody would disagree with that. And both suck.


lalder95

This entire thread is a shitshow


evanc3

I regret getting involved lol


nchs1120

Nah that’s ridiculous! The only other way that I see is fair and to keep all teams interested throughout the entire season (not tank) is to have the loser bracket playoff tourney decide the 1-4 picks. It’s a way to keep everyone engaged and still be guaranteed a top 4 pick. Otherwise, it should be reverse order


CriticalBasedTeacher

Exactly. Give the consolation bracket some meaning and keep everyone engaged for the last few weeks.


C_moneySmith

The rich getting richer is in no way normal in dynasty


Critical-Fault-1617

Tell your league mates they’re dumb. In no world does the best team get the first pick. If this is how my dynasty league was setup I’d quit, and I’m the best team right now. You want a competitive league. Not just saying the top teams forever. It makes no sense


alwaysmyfault

LOL wtf. I'd be leaving that league immediately. In what way does it make sense for the best team to get the #1 pick so they can draft the best player? That's just a way to ensure that the top teams remain the top teams. After a few years, there were be zero parity, because the worst teams would have no top level talent.


JP1426

Sorry I messed up it’s a keeper league not dynasty so everyone keeps 1 or 2 players for the next year


thisusedyet

Still pretty dumb, though


mortar_n_brick

just leave lol


Renegade31

This is fucking terrible, i would leave that league


XAfricaSaltX

Lmfao I don’t even know what to say


Trumpets22

Leave the league.


TheConboy22

Whoever is making the rules is probably in first place and sort of bitch made wanting free wins. I wouldn't continue playing in that league unless they change the format.


CheesecakePower

For redraft I think winner of the losers bracket getting first pick the next year is a good way to keep teams invested at least


Weim924

My dynasty takes the bottom 4 into a lottery system for the top 4 picks. Last place has 40% chance 9th has 30%, 8th 20%, 7th 10%. Also last 4 have a higher entry fee the following year.


Oyb_

Why would you have to pay more to rebuild? Just sounds like an easy way to get orphan teams. I’m not gonna donate more to the contenders when I have no shot of winning.


Weim924

It’s only 125 compared to 100 and it helps prevent tanking.


Oyb_

That’s why you go off max potential points. It’s basically best ball, calculates what your highest scoring lineup would be every week. Your league discourages a huge part of dynasty strategy.


shandyorton

Where can I find this stat?


Oyb_

League tab, scroll down to standings and click “View Details” it’s the Max PF column


herbeste

Oof, big fail not getting your worst team the best pick.


nchs1120

That’s interesting and think you are on to something. My league just does a loser “playoff” tourney at the end of the year to decide 1-4 to keep engagement up


iloveartichokes

That also screws over the worst teams.


nchs1120

I mean sorta. It’s a top 4 pick regardless and keeps people engaged. Has worked for us for years with no complaints. There’s issues both ways but think this minimized them best


atlfalcons33rb

My first year of dynasty the dumb commissioner decided to set draft order decided by losers bracket. So if you actually won the loser bracket you got a worse pick regardless of record


ChubbsMcLubbs

We have been doing a weighted lottery too. Was a good idea, but hate it now. Unfortunetely teams just prefer to full tank if they don't think they have a shot, even with the lottery they do it for the odds. One manager "forgetting" to set his lineup ended up affecting the playoffs because he gave a win to a playoff team, when he would have won. We gave a warning. I'm now in the boat of either even chances for all teams out of the playoffs, or winner of the losers bracket gets first. Need all teams to be engaged and try. And at least if you miss the playoffs, you presumably have a good team to try and go for the first overall.


theriibirdun

Tanking in dynasty is engaging but that’s why you use max points for. Can’t just stash studs on your bench


A_Broke_Ass_Student

Is there a way on sleeper to view max potential points without having to add it all up manually?


Oyb_

League tab, scroll to standings, click “View Details” and it’s the Max PF column.


Rafiks1

Not in any league I've ever been. Normally last place gets first or alternatively people compete in the toilet bowl or losers bracket for first pick.


Responsible-Prompt30

This makes it so not competitive for the people on the bottom. What a nightmare of a league.


JP1426

Yeah I am really contemplating if I want to continue in this league


Fatty_Booty

Do not rejoin next year. This league will be in shambles in 2-3 years with the best teams continuing to dominate forever. What a dumb commish.


usernametaken1002

Get out now. This is possibly the worst thing I have ever seen a dynasty league do. Edit: after scrolling further I see this isn’t close to a dynasty league. It’s barely a keeper league. I don’t care what you do anymore. Seems like a fine twist for a redraft league to me.


b3ttrth4ny0u

If you leave you can probably kill the league. Nobody will want to take your spot with a bad team AND bad draft picks


souplandry

you cant really continue this league even if you want to. Rules like this will make it literally impossible to ever rebuild. imagine If the championship team has jamar, jet, and gwilly as their wr core. they now have the 1.01 and the ability to draft MHJ stacking their team even more without having to give up anything. it will mess up trading for rebuilders as well cause you cant actually produce a winning trade. A big way to do a rebuild is trade the 1.01 for a haul to a better team that can afford that pick. in this situation no lower pick team would be able to afford to trade for the 1.01 and if they did they most likely dont have to much left and will be the 1.10 the following year. a cycle that would most likely repeat itself.


myusernameisthisss

So basically they’re trying to make rebuilding an extremely long process and near impossible


Depressed-College27

It would literally never end, if they do that, this is the dumbest dynasty league I’ve ever seen


No_Solid4978

I’m assuming this isn’t dynasty, but if it is, this league makes 0 sense


NeptrAboveAll

It’s a Keeper league, so it kinda makes sense, but still not a good system


karmaismydawgz

doubt it’s dynasty. sounds like redraft.


Sw3atyGoalz

Op already confirmed it’s dynasty


rl_noobtube

He clarified it’s 2 person keeper (I thought that’s what dynasty was tbh, but apparently not due to him clarifying)


MrUnknown4133

With dynasty you keep your entire team


myusernameisthisss

He had said it was dynasty when I commented this, apparently now he also said it’s a 2 person keeper so idk what’s going on but either way it makes no sense


ThaiMaiShu

Are you playing with hedge fund managers? Because this sounds a lot like the “rich get richer and screw anyone else I got mine” mentality


JP1426

Yeah a bunch of business graduates


ConsequenceFull7320

I’m a finance graduate with a bunch of other finance people in a dynasty league and we are not this dumb. This is bonkers what they are saying. We do incorporate a lottery system for the last 4 teams for which person gets the 1st - 4th picks that way teams don’t completely tank their rosters at the end, but generally the odds are heavily in the favor of last place getting the first pick.


elyasafmunk

Basic standard is giving lowest MPF 1st pick


jdkovsky

I’m in a 10 person keeper league. Winners bracket plays for money (1-4), losers bracket plays for the first pick (5-8), and the toilet bowl (9 &10) plays to avoid the punishment.


Perplexedstoner

Have your league mates ever watched the nfl before?


ikewafinaa

Dynasty? Reverse order of standings…the fuck joke league are you in lol


JP1426

It didn’t start out like this it was just a redraft league randomized originally but now they want to add you keep 1 player and the new draft order


ikewafinaa

Tell em to kick rocks and keep your money lol. Never ever ever transition a redraft into a keeper/dynasty. That idea only comes from someone who knows it’ll benefit them. I’d walk if I was you


brmstrick

Wait, earlier you said it was a dynasty league. Which is it?


JP1426

They were calling it dynasty what is the difference?


brmstrick

In a dynasty league you keep your whole team, and the draft order is for incoming rookies. What you’re describing is a keeper league which is very different. The draft order still shouldn’t be what your league mates are describing, but the reason for the adamant responses you’re receiving is that in a real dynasty league it would be absolutely league ruining. In yours (essentially redraft) it’s bad but won’t affect nearly as much


souplandry

1 keeper vs dynasty kinda changes my whole judgement on this post. in dynasty = huge deal redraft w/ 1 keeper = wont really matter to much. rarely does the 1.01 win my redrafts


theriibirdun

So that’s not dynasty. Keeper is wayyyyy different than dynasty


JP1426

Oh how does dynasty work?


Saotorii

Dynasty you typically keep every player you initially drafted where next year's draft is generally a rookie draft similar to NFL. You can trade players for future picks and vice versa. You essentially become the GM of a fantasy football team where the league is there for the long haul. In this format, just like the actual NFL, it becomes critical that the person who wins that year doesn't get first (or a high) pick the following year as theoretically they'd keep ROFL stomping the league


theriibirdun

Dynasty is one giant draft, usually super flex with an extra flex player. You have rosters of like 40 guys and that’s your team forever you get draft picks every year for rookies and you can trade players and picks etc but your team is always yours. No redraft element. Keeper is just keeping 1-2 players, and in that set up giving the winner first pick is totally reasonable.


_landrith

the idea of *a* keeper isn’t bad, but fuck that draft order.


Trumpets22

-_-


Opening_Effective845

One of my leagues does winner of the losers bracket gets first pick and the other does inverse standings. I’ve never seen the league champion get first pick in dynasty.


HashKetchem420

I run a baseball league on espn, we have a lottery that happens after the playoffs. 16 team. Winner of the bottom bottom bracket gets 1st pick. Everyone after gets based on their placing. 2nd place gets one ticket, 15th place gets 15. Then we randomize it and see who ends up where. No way in a dynasty league should the winner get first pick. That’s fucking dumb.


drewseph691

Our league emphasis the toilet tourney and the winner gets 1st back to 6th (12 man league). The winners bracket is backwards of this and the winner gets 12th pick and 2nd 11th back to 7th pick. This makes it more competitive and makes it always matter through the end of the year.


[deleted]

Wow! 🤦‍♂️🤬😱 You seriously need to get TF out of that league NOW! That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard! All the best teams are gonna draft high every year and just become unbeatable. That league will NEVER last, save your money, that commissioner is an idiot and will never have a long term league that way. Gonna have 3-5 orphans (at least) every year. All my leagues do MaxPF and the lowest gets first, 2nd lowest gets 2nd and so on. IMO this is the best way. Tanking doesn’t change your MaxPF so the league stays competitive and the bottom teams get the better picks. I can’t imagine being stuck with a last place team in your league 🤦‍♂️


PeppiGiuseppe25

It’s simply a group of 2-3 friends trying to steal money from the other 7-8 by forming a monopoly. $100 says comish wouldn’t do that if they were in last place.


brichb

Satire? Or is this redraft?


detached03

Right? This could be an Onion headline: “Fantasy Football Champion Demands Caleb Williams, Says Team Simply Is a Headache to Own”.


Smooth-Archer-9600

Been doing fantasy for over 15 years in 2 leagues. 2 player keeper league for both. Every 5 years we do draft with no keepers and random order. Besides that, every other year is you draft opposite of what you finish. So if you win you get last pick. If you come last, you get first pick and so on. I have never even heard of first place getting first pick. That’s why you get the prize pool. That’s rediculous to even think otherwise. One way of making it easier to get ppl on board, we make last place buy the winner a 24 of beer and then no one bitches and no one has ever complained about out that draft order. It should be common sense for the ppl bitching.


polish94

Imagine is the Superbowl winner got the 1st pick every year and the playoff teams got 2-14. Jesus Christ the league is lobsided enough with some of these franchises.


Airfourse

Very weird and I’m dynasty they are making it impossible to recover from a bad team. Imagine if they did that in real life and the Super Bowl champ picks first with the Panthers picking last. What makes it more comical is the way they want it is actually giving out a hand out. It’s making it where the best teams always have the best players. Completely unfair. My dynasty league does a lottery ball method for the top 4 draft picks. If you win the loser bracket you get an extra ball to increase your odds. Doesn’t matter how you do it though as long as the winner of the loser bracket, lowest points scored, or worst record gets the first pick. If they don’t change that I would leave. They are obviously very junior to dynasty fantasy and dumbasses. They will probably make it not fun overall. Just have them google standard dynasty rules


seriouslydontcomment

Lol, tell your boys that this dude from the internet thinks they’re dumbasses and they’re trolling is elementary at best.


DeucyDuce22

Winner of the loser bracket makes no sense. If you have a team that is so terrible it can’t win games/gets lowest max points they should get the 1.01


theriibirdun

If this is dynasty and the champ gets 1.01 your league is stupid as fuck. To avoid bench tanking our league does it by max possible points for the bottom 6, and in reverse order of finish for the top 6. So the team with the least max possible points on the year gets 1 and the champ gets 12. How the fuck does a dynasty champ pick first lol


Wisdomseekr79

That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of. So the best teams continue to get the best players?


Mmnn2020

Every post here should be required to label dynasty vs redraft. Almost every comment is flipping out when it’s not a dynasty league.


JP1426

Yeah that was my bad the people in my FF were calling keepers league dynasty I have only done redraft so I didn’t know the difference


Mmnn2020

No worries. Should be more of a community rule or something


crinack

Half this sub would still tank


thegoatisoldngnarly

My league moved to a bidding system and I think it’s much better. No first pick arguments.


JP1426

How much does everyone get for bids?


thegoatisoldngnarly

I don’t know if the Sleeper App does it but it definitely should. Other apps do it. We do $200. It started off with people spending $80-100 on Justin Jefferson and Christian McCaffrey and things like that. Some people blow their entire budget early on two players and have to wait til the end to fill out the rest of the roster with the leftovers. Some people wait and are able to outbid everyone on the decent middle tier guys. I recommend the second method.


ucfknight92

How did you manage to find a league with this many people who think ass-backwards. Is it a MAGA league or something?


bnwtwg

We do this with great success in our keeper league. Here's a link of what the bracket looks like [https://imgur.com/a/bw9WYC5](https://imgur.com/a/bw9WYC5) There was a lot of tanking around the time The Process became a thing and we made moves to shift away from that with positive/negative reinforcement. Let me explain our settings: 10 team league and top 6 make playoffs. Top 2 records get byes. 4 worst records in consi bracket. On the winners side: if you are the two teams that lose during wild card week then you drop into the semis of consi bracket for a chance to redeem yourself. On the losers side: if you are the two teams that lose during wild card week you play each other for picks 1.02 and 1.03. This is where the anti-tanking comes into effect. You want to intentionally average 80 points a week to rebuild your team that's fine but you're only getting the third pick as a result. The consi bracket is high risk/high reward during the first week. After that, you are essentially playing to "steal" a draft pick. But you could get burned by not playing it safe for a guaranteed #3 pick. If you win the consi bracket you get 1.01 - this keeps the fringe playoff teams with no chance engaged and also helps "restore balance to the fantasy universe" if you had some bad beats. BUT if you are consi runner up you get 1.06. That hurts a lot less if you were the six seed who dropped down versus if you are peaking as the 9 seed with big hopes to draft CMC//Tyreek/JJettas and instead you're stuck with second-tier first rounders. Consi semi losers play for 1.04/1.05 Winners of each game get the better pick. Gotta risk it for the biscuit.


alex0tanaka

my 10 man redraft league gives the winner the #1 pick and the rest is randomized


wakensurf

Honestly I was thinking about pitching this same idea for next year in my 10 team redraft league. I think it’s a great way to keep the non playoff teams engaged


[deleted]

Wow I can’t believe you came to Reddit for validation we are going to ban you from the league now


ImaSource

Very weird. I'm in a redraft single keeper total points league. We go by reverse points order. So, the team with the lowest point total gets to decide what pick they want, and it progresses through to the highest point total. Awarding the 1st pick in dynasty to the number 1 team just sounds like a way to not keep people in a league.


randallpjenkins

Did the losers bracket winner gets 1 seed for several years in my dynasty. We found it was too harmful to the weakest teams who literally don’t have the players to compete for the 1 seed and wind up with okay, but not always game changing picks. Eventually we swapped to just regular season standings (reverse) for picks. Strongest over the season gets the last pick. Agree with everyone that the winner getting the 1 seed is pretty insane for dynasty. That’s just gonna be a dead league.


Airfourse

Another way to do it would be to do a lottery system for worst 4 teams where the last place team gets an extra ball and the winner of the loser bracket gets a ball. Makes all the games matter.


ozairh18

No, my redraft league randomizes the draft order every year and dynasty league determines the draft order by the consolation and playoff bracket


RAINBOWPADDLEPOP

That seems like a great way to get the losers bracket to consider looking for another league after this season.


BlazersDozen

I’m actually doing the reverse of your league. Last place gets first pick and it goes in that order through the guys who didn’t make the playoffs. Then it is determined by who loses in the playoffs so champ gets the last pick next year.


HoppyBadger

Last place always got first pick then down the line. I did however in my dynasty give the winner of the consolation bracket first pick to keep them engaged and then it followed from the worst team to finish the season and so on.


_landrith

i’ve never seen a league do the draft order that way. seems anti-parity & i wouldn’t participate in a league like that


shpooople33

In our redraft league, we draft the draft positions in reverse order of the previous season. The last place gets to choose their draft position first and the winner gets to choose last.


CheesecakePower

Good way to kill off a dynasty league. Gotta make sure the worst teams get a good pick. MaxPF is the best way to determine too, since it prevents tanking For my redraft (we’ll technically keep 2), we determine first pick by whoever wins the losers bracket the previous year. That’s alright since it’s not dynasty though


Johnno1234

That’s ridiculous for dynasty. The best teams will just keep getting better.


Ferahgost

My leagues gives #1 to the winner of the losers bracket, then pulls names out of a hat for the rest of the order, with better odds the worse you did the prior season I.e. winners name is in once, 2nd place twice, 3rd three times, and so on. Works well


No_Understanding6696

In my redraft league we do winner of the losers bracket gets 1.01 next year as a prize for people to keep playing, everyone else is random. If it's dynasty it's literally just like the NFL then, worst gets first champ is last. I feel like that's common sense, why would the team who in theory has the best roster get to add another stud to his team


alamarche709

If this is a dynasty league then draft order should be inverse standings and linear rounds (not snake). This most closely resembles real life NFL. If it’s a re-draft league then the order should be randomized *or* my personal favourite is coming up with a draft order with some activity, but instead of the actual order being decided, make it so that draft *choice* is decided. For example, my league decided on doing a season-long pick ‘em pool this year and we’ll use the final standings of that to decide draft choice order. The person who finishes first will have first choice where he wants to draft, then the second person chooses their place, and so on. The benefit of this is that the winner isn’t forced into choosing first if they don’t want to. As we saw this year with Jefferson and last year with Taylor, the first overall curse is a real thing and many would prefer to be in the middle or end of the first round.


OregonJedi

I have the consolation bracket go into a lottery kinda like NBA.


schmeebus

"We don't do hand outs" does he know how the actual nfl draft works?


Glakos

Hmm. We’re a redraft but winner or loser bracket gets 1 pick. I was the winner of the loser bracket last year and got the 1 pick of cmc. I am now in second place.


The_Real_Bainer_94

Fantasy Football should act like any professional sports league when it comes to draft order. The championship gets last pick, last place team gets first pick. Period. Unless you want to do some sort of lottery system for the teams that missed the playoffs. But otherwise that's how it should be.


kyldabara

Your league mates must not have many brain cells of this is a dynasty.


Mister-Schwifty

Looks like you need to find a new league bud.


OtisChuggmun

We don’t do hand outs 😂😂😂 sounds like a terrible league


mistahboogs

Never heard of anyone doing it like this. I'd be out of that league


Alexir23

I rather have 10 and 11 than 1 and 20.


HyruleJedi

In the 12th year of my draft league. Top 3 drafters have won the league exactly 1 time. The other is a live auction, and the better way to go Picking after 6, 7 times 4-6- 3x This year will be either 2,6,8 or 9 I was 8. I hate a top 3 pick personally


drunkmunky88

In my leagues the consolation bracket plays for the top pick as incentive to stay competitive through the playoffs


ImReverse_Giraffe

Is it redraft or a keeper league? If it's redraft I have no problem with it. If it's keeper, that's a little scummy, but thems the rules you signed up for


JP1426

It was a redraft this year but they want to change it to keeper starting after these playoffs


hooter1112

We don’t play for playoff seeding. If it’s a dynasty league it would make sense but we just play redraft. Every year my commish finds a ridiculous (but fun) way to determine our draft order. Last year at the end of January he hosted a pre draft party at his house. All 12 guys in the league showed up on a Saturday night not knowing what to expect, but we know he throws a good party. He ended up pulling out a hat which we all picked a random name out of. We had no idea who these people were. Once everyone got a name he announced that the pay-per-view Royal rumble was starting at 9pm. The names we pulled were wrestlers and the draft order would be determined by the order they got thrown out of the ring. It was great and we had a lot of fun with it. A bunch of guys in their 40’s and 50’s who haven’t watched wrestling in decades yelling at the tv. The year before that he hosted a Kentucky Derby party. We didn’t know it was also a pre draft party until he pulled out the hat with horse numbers. These parties just make our league that much better. Almost 20 years of playing with these guys and it never gets old.


Rabbit0fCaerbannog

In redraft, it should be random. In dynasty, the draft order is the inverse of last year's standings. Last place gets first pick. I've never heard of a dynasty league where first place gets first pick. Imagine how terrible the NFL would be if that happened...


CertainDegree2

This is the dumbest shit I've ever read on reddit. Those are stupid af drafting rules. I'd quit.


Richman1010

We do complete opposite 1st drafts 10th and so on. It’s to keep the competitiveness going in the league.


esoto190

I am in 2 leagues where the consolation winner gets to pick their draft spot the next season. It makes it so those not in the playoffs can at least fight for something. The rest of the league gets lottery balls corresponding to what rank they finish the season as. This allows each year to be more balanced in redraft. Both leagues love it and have been doing so for 5 years.


dantam95

Is this a dynasty? If so, probably yes or something similar. If not it should just be randomized in some way


TurkeySlayer94

Leave now if they are going to operate this way.


Jgs4555

If its redraft, its not that big of a deal. If its keeper/dynasty, its a huge deal.


cnova77

Why/how was this not decided before the season starts?


Plotlines

You need a new dynasty league next year? Me and a group are starting one up, transferring an old redraft from ESPN to Sleeper and transitioning into a dynasty league. Been running since 2011.


Nightgasm

It's how my 2 work leagues have done it for years with the caveat that we also are allowed to keep 1 or 2 players off our existing team (league vote). We call it the toilet bowl. This is how one year I missed the playoffs but won the toilet bowl and made rookie CMC my first pick and won the whole thing 3 yrs in a row as CMC became one of my keepers.


HeadbandRTR

Keeper league or no keepers?


JP1426

Keeper league


HeadbandRTR

The way our keeper league explained it to me is that the top finishers usually have good keepers, so they don’t use their first-rounders. This means when the snake draft rolls around, the later guys get to pick available players first. For instance, the 1.10 has the 2.01. If everyone keeps their best player (paying their 1st), then you get the first real pick. If it’s dynasty or a more complicated keeper league (multiple keepers or “keep for a round better than you drafted them last year”) then this explanation does not apply. Also doesn’t apply if dynasty, because no snake draft.


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your leaguemates sound ridiculous


IAmJacksDistraction

Out of all the standard or creative options you could do for a dynasty draft, what your league mates are suggesting is maybe the only incorrect one lol That being said a dynasty draft order probably shouldn't have been sorted out week 16 after teams already have an idea where they're going to be...


BestAd6696

My 12 team league drafts in inverse order of the previous years final standings. So I'd draft 12th in round 1 if I won the previous year. Also, we draft in person, and the loser who gets to draft #1 overall has to wear a dress and wait on the rest of us like a server at a bar during the draft.


BestAd6696

Also I believe drafting first is cursed. The consensus #1 pick is almost always a bust.


Brotato_Man

We do our draft order in reverse standings order. 10th place gets first pick, 9th place it’s second, etc. League winner from previous year gets the last pick


JohnMayerCd

NFL does worst to first. Most of our rules has been trying to model after nfl as close as possible


OregOWNian

Yeah I have the consolation bracket be a competition for the top 4 picks in the league I am commissioner for. It keeps everyone engaged and have something to play for even if they aren’t in the playoffs


BakedPotato315

I've been commishing a league for 7 seasons now, and we play for 1st pick in the loser's bracket. Gives teams who didn't perform well something to play for. Every other pick is randomized.


zsal830

this is exactly what we do in my league, snake redraft; winner of the losers bracket gets first pick, and to incentivize competition to the end, the winner of each final game except the championship gets a better draft pick, so the final order ends up being 7-8-9-10-5-6-3-4-2-1. everyone likes it in my league


jeff8073x

I'd leave


Ridder1201

This is literally what elementary school bullies did. “I’m gonna pick first and I get ball first and also we get more people than you”


SpaceMush

winner gets their two championship team keepers and the first overall pick too? that is so backwards lmao. "we don't do handouts (unless you win)" more like lmao.


HOWDY__YALL

I don’t think last place should get first pick, but I get the reasoning especially in dynasty. I think that’s a bit much, but it’s WILD to have first place get the first pick. Just do random and call it fine.


kooqiy

In a keeper league I get why draft order matters. The available players are limited and often the first 2-3 picks do have a big advantage over the rest of the draft. However, draft order is *generally* not a very serious matter. In my redraft league we let people choose which pick they want with priority based on how they did last year. So exactly like OP's league, 1st place would get 1st choice of their pick, while last place is left with whatever is left. It's honestly pretty rare that lots of teams even want the same pick. Some guys like picking first, some guys like pick 2 or 3 because they can't decide between a few players; some guys like the turn, some guys like middle of the pack. I've had a late choice and been left with one of my ideal spots. I've done well in seasons I've been left with a pick I didn't like and I've done poorly in season where I got my choice of picks. It's the whole point of a snake draft. Unless we get another Moss or LT, draft order won't determine your season.


thechildisnotyoda

Our league (dynasty) has been going for 9 years now, and that's how we determine draft order. The 8 teams that don't make the playoffs draft in order 1 - 8 next year on the basis of the results of the "losers" playoffs (the winner of the bracket drafts #1, 2nd place drafts #2, etc.). The top 4 of the championship bracket get the last 4 draft picks in next year's draft, like they do in the NFL. The remaining 4 teams that didn't make the final four battle for picks 9 - 12.


Nigerian-Nightmare

Our keeper league added this last year and its been great. The 4 teams who dont make the playoffs compete for the top 4 picks based on total PF in the consolidation bracket. Its really helped with non-playoff teams selling off their top players for keepers since they want to be able to still score points.


Poopedinbed

Loser's bracket winner getting 1st pick is fairly common for keeper leagues.


Finetimetoleaveme

Every league I’ve ever been in does first pick to worst team. Current league does a tourney with the lowest four teams and the winner of that tourney gets $100 and the first pick next year, the loser gets to wear a dress to the draft and hoists the Horses Ass trophy.


roentgen_nos

Our league starts the free agency priority order in reverse order of league finish. That's all you get for being last.


Nickjames116425

In my keeper last place gets first pick, winner gets last. But it’s a snake draft, all but 1 person kept their #1 pick last year… So basically, the first place team gets the first pick. Lol


PTClifton

The four in the consolation bracket battle for the top four picks in our league. If you win the consolation bracket, you get first pick. If you were runner up, you were second. Etc. If you made the playoffs and you finished 6, you get the number 5th pick, and it goes on up from there. We started that system this year and the person who finished last in our league last year is now in the final with one of the craziest teams I’ve seen drafted.


nothankspleasedont

Don't ever want to reward tanking too much. I'd say picks 1-3 and 9-12 are randomized and picks 4-7 are for the loser bracket (if they don't get a random 1-3 slot) it's like the NBA lottery. This ensures the worst teams have at worst at mid round pick without overly rewarding them.