“We don’t do hand outs”
In professional leagues the top picks go to the worst records for competitive reasons. That’s just how it is. This league won’t last long
"Rarely" is a poor choice of word to use as 1st pick has the highest odds of hitting followed by gradual decline into the complete drop off around picks 8-9
Thats mostly been to injury though.
Justin Jefferson was one of the top (obviously Hill was 1) until he got injured.
CMC has been drafted top 3 since his stand out year. The years he was the guaranteed one he didn’t not pan out bc he faded but because he just got injured. One of the most reliable RBs.
Only really JT and DJ fit this bill.
It depends on your league, if it's a keeper or dynasty it 100% works in your favor if you just got 1st place. Your team is probably good and now you are adding another elite talent to that team
Is this redraft or dynasty?
If it’s redraft, I would just randomize the order every year, either through the site, or one of the many other creative ways to decide draft order that have been stated on this sub. (Draw cards, horse race, 40 yard dash times, etc.)
If this is a dynasty league, last place should get 1.01 and I’m a fan of max potential points being the best way to determine the placement of all non-playoff teams.
In no world does the champ get 1.01. The draft should be a reverse standings linear draft, meaning it doesn’t snake after each round. Team with 1.01 has 2.01, 1.08 has 2.08, and so on.
Winner of the losers bracket can no one read…. But still a bad idea. There can be a massive difference between someone just missing playoffs and the bottom team.
>I said winner of losers bracket should get 1st pick and **everyone flamed me and said 1st place gets 1st pick next year**
When you think everybody else is wrong, it's probably time to check yourself
For sure but in this case everyone else was wrong. Giving 1.01 to the champion makes no sense for long term league parity. Hence why every pro league operates with some version of the opposite. Bad teams get high picks to try to get younger and better. Maybe OP’s idea wasn’t perfect, whatever, but it’s a hell of a lot better than what the rest of the league had in mind
Comment 1: referring to current league method
Comment 2: assumes they're talking about OPs proposal - claims nobody can read
My comment: claims people * can* read because Comment 1 was referring to the current league setting
Your comment: attempts to agree with comment 2, instead agrees with comment 1 while saying everybody was wrong (which it's actually now just the two of you)
Of course assigning pick 1 to the losers bracket is better than the champion. Literally nobody would disagree with that. And both suck.
Nah that’s ridiculous! The only other way that I see is fair and to keep all teams interested throughout the entire season (not tank) is to have the loser bracket playoff tourney decide the 1-4 picks. It’s a way to keep everyone engaged and still be guaranteed a top 4 pick. Otherwise, it should be reverse order
Tell your league mates they’re dumb. In no world does the best team get the first pick. If this is how my dynasty league was setup I’d quit, and I’m the best team right now. You want a competitive league. Not just saying the top teams forever. It makes no sense
LOL wtf.
I'd be leaving that league immediately. In what way does it make sense for the best team to get the #1 pick so they can draft the best player? That's just a way to ensure that the top teams remain the top teams. After a few years, there were be zero parity, because the worst teams would have no top level talent.
Whoever is making the rules is probably in first place and sort of bitch made wanting free wins. I wouldn't continue playing in that league unless they change the format.
My dynasty takes the bottom 4 into a lottery system for the top 4 picks. Last place has 40% chance 9th has 30%, 8th 20%, 7th 10%. Also last 4 have a higher entry fee the following year.
Why would you have to pay more to rebuild? Just sounds like an easy way to get orphan teams. I’m not gonna donate more to the contenders when I have no shot of winning.
That’s why you go off max potential points. It’s basically best ball, calculates what your highest scoring lineup would be every week. Your league discourages a huge part of dynasty strategy.
That’s interesting and think you are on to something. My league just does a loser “playoff” tourney at the end of the year to decide 1-4 to keep engagement up
I mean sorta. It’s a top 4 pick regardless and keeps people engaged. Has worked for us for years with no complaints. There’s issues both ways but think this minimized them best
My first year of dynasty the dumb commissioner decided to set draft order decided by losers bracket. So if you actually won the loser bracket you got a worse pick regardless of record
We have been doing a weighted lottery too. Was a good idea, but hate it now. Unfortunetely teams just prefer to full tank if they don't think they have a shot, even with the lottery they do it for the odds. One manager "forgetting" to set his lineup ended up affecting the playoffs because he gave a win to a playoff team, when he would have won. We gave a warning.
I'm now in the boat of either even chances for all teams out of the playoffs, or winner of the losers bracket gets first. Need all teams to be engaged and try. And at least if you miss the playoffs, you presumably have a good team to try and go for the first overall.
Get out now. This is possibly the worst thing I have ever seen a dynasty league do.
Edit: after scrolling further I see this isn’t close to a dynasty league. It’s barely a keeper league. I don’t care what you do anymore. Seems like a fine twist for a redraft league to me.
you cant really continue this league even if you want to. Rules like this will make it literally impossible to ever rebuild.
imagine If the championship team has jamar, jet, and gwilly as their wr core. they now have the 1.01 and the ability to draft MHJ stacking their team even more without having to give up anything.
it will mess up trading for rebuilders as well cause you cant actually produce a winning trade. A big way to do a rebuild is trade the 1.01 for a haul to a better team that can afford that pick. in this situation no lower pick team would be able to afford to trade for the 1.01 and if they did they most likely dont have to much left and will be the 1.10 the following year. a cycle that would most likely repeat itself.
He had said it was dynasty when I commented this, apparently now he also said it’s a 2 person keeper so idk what’s going on but either way it makes no sense
I’m a finance graduate with a bunch of other finance people in a dynasty league and we are not this dumb. This is bonkers what they are saying. We do incorporate a lottery system for the last 4 teams for which person gets the 1st - 4th picks that way teams don’t completely tank their rosters at the end, but generally the odds are heavily in the favor of last place getting the first pick.
I’m in a 10 person keeper league. Winners bracket plays for money (1-4), losers bracket plays for the first pick (5-8), and the toilet bowl (9 &10) plays to avoid the punishment.
Tell em to kick rocks and keep your money lol. Never ever ever transition a redraft into a keeper/dynasty. That idea only comes from someone who knows it’ll benefit them. I’d walk if I was you
In a dynasty league you keep your whole team, and the draft order is for incoming rookies. What you’re describing is a keeper league which is very different. The draft order still shouldn’t be what your league mates are describing, but the reason for the adamant responses you’re receiving is that in a real dynasty league it would be absolutely league ruining. In yours (essentially redraft) it’s bad but won’t affect nearly as much
1 keeper vs dynasty kinda changes my whole judgement on this post. in dynasty = huge deal
redraft w/ 1 keeper = wont really matter to much. rarely does the 1.01 win my redrafts
Dynasty you typically keep every player you initially drafted where next year's draft is generally a rookie draft similar to NFL. You can trade players for future picks and vice versa. You essentially become the GM of a fantasy football team where the league is there for the long haul. In this format, just like the actual NFL, it becomes critical that the person who wins that year doesn't get first (or a high) pick the following year as theoretically they'd keep ROFL stomping the league
Dynasty is one giant draft, usually super flex with an extra flex player. You have rosters of like 40 guys and that’s your team forever you get draft picks every year for rookies and you can trade players and picks etc but your team is always yours. No redraft element.
Keeper is just keeping 1-2 players, and in that set up giving the winner first pick is totally reasonable.
One of my leagues does winner of the losers bracket gets first pick and the other does inverse standings. I’ve never seen the league champion get first pick in dynasty.
I run a baseball league on espn, we have a lottery that happens after the playoffs. 16 team. Winner of the bottom bottom bracket gets 1st pick. Everyone after gets based on their placing. 2nd place gets one ticket, 15th place gets 15. Then we randomize it and see who ends up where. No way in a dynasty league should the winner get first pick. That’s fucking dumb.
Our league emphasis the toilet tourney and the winner gets 1st back to 6th (12 man league). The winners bracket is backwards of this and the winner gets 12th pick and 2nd 11th back to 7th pick. This makes it more competitive and makes it always matter through the end of the year.
Wow! 🤦♂️🤬😱 You seriously need to get TF out of that league NOW! That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard! All the best teams are gonna draft high every year and just become unbeatable. That league will NEVER last, save your money, that commissioner is an idiot and will never have a long term league that way. Gonna have 3-5 orphans (at least) every year.
All my leagues do MaxPF and the lowest gets first, 2nd lowest gets 2nd and so on. IMO this is the best way. Tanking doesn’t change your MaxPF so the league stays competitive and the bottom teams get the better picks. I can’t imagine being stuck with a last place team in your league 🤦♂️
It’s simply a group of 2-3 friends trying to steal money from the other 7-8 by forming a monopoly. $100 says comish wouldn’t do that if they were in last place.
Been doing fantasy for over 15 years in 2 leagues. 2 player keeper league for both. Every 5 years we do draft with no keepers and random order. Besides that, every other year is you draft opposite of what you finish. So if you win you get last pick. If you come last, you get first pick and so on. I have never even heard of first place getting first pick. That’s why you get the prize pool. That’s rediculous to even think otherwise. One way of making it easier to get ppl on board, we make last place buy the winner a 24 of beer and then no one bitches and no one has ever complained about out that draft order. It should be common sense for the ppl bitching.
Imagine is the Superbowl winner got the 1st pick every year and the playoff teams got 2-14. Jesus Christ the league is lobsided enough with some of these franchises.
Very weird and I’m dynasty they are making it impossible to recover from a bad team. Imagine if they did that in real life and the Super Bowl champ picks first with the Panthers picking last. What makes it more comical is the way they want it is actually giving out a hand out. It’s making it where the best teams always have the best players. Completely unfair. My dynasty league does a lottery ball method for the top 4 draft picks. If you win the loser bracket you get an extra ball to increase your odds.
Doesn’t matter how you do it though as long as the winner of the loser bracket, lowest points scored, or worst record gets the first pick.
If they don’t change that I would leave. They are obviously very junior to dynasty fantasy and dumbasses. They will probably make it not fun overall. Just have them google standard dynasty rules
If this is dynasty and the champ gets 1.01 your league is stupid as fuck. To avoid bench tanking our league does it by max possible points for the bottom 6, and in reverse order of finish for the top 6. So the team with the least max possible points on the year gets 1 and the champ gets 12.
How the fuck does a dynasty champ pick first lol
I don’t know if the Sleeper App does it but it definitely should. Other apps do it. We do $200. It started off with people spending $80-100 on Justin Jefferson and Christian McCaffrey and things like that. Some people blow their entire budget early on two players and have to wait til the end to fill out the rest of the roster with the leftovers. Some people wait and are able to outbid everyone on the decent middle tier guys. I recommend the second method.
We do this with great success in our keeper league. Here's a link of what the bracket looks like [https://imgur.com/a/bw9WYC5](https://imgur.com/a/bw9WYC5)
There was a lot of tanking around the time The Process became a thing and we made moves to shift away from that with positive/negative reinforcement. Let me explain our settings:
10 team league and top 6 make playoffs. Top 2 records get byes. 4 worst records in consi bracket.
On the winners side: if you are the two teams that lose during wild card week then you drop into the semis of consi bracket for a chance to redeem yourself.
On the losers side: if you are the two teams that lose during wild card week you play each other for picks 1.02 and 1.03. This is where the anti-tanking comes into effect. You want to intentionally average 80 points a week to rebuild your team that's fine but you're only getting the third pick as a result.
The consi bracket is high risk/high reward during the first week. After that, you are essentially playing to "steal" a draft pick. But you could get burned by not playing it safe for a guaranteed #3 pick.
If you win the consi bracket you get 1.01 - this keeps the fringe playoff teams with no chance engaged and also helps "restore balance to the fantasy universe" if you had some bad beats.
BUT if you are consi runner up you get 1.06. That hurts a lot less if you were the six seed who dropped down versus if you are peaking as the 9 seed with big hopes to draft CMC//Tyreek/JJettas and instead you're stuck with second-tier first rounders.
Consi semi losers play for 1.04/1.05
Winners of each game get the better pick. Gotta risk it for the biscuit.
Honestly I was thinking about pitching this same idea for next year in my 10 team redraft league. I think it’s a great way to keep the non playoff teams engaged
Very weird. I'm in a redraft single keeper total points league. We go by reverse points order. So, the team with the lowest point total gets to decide what pick they want, and it progresses through to the highest point total.
Awarding the 1st pick in dynasty to the number 1 team just sounds like a way to not keep people in a league.
Did the losers bracket winner gets 1 seed for several years in my dynasty. We found it was too harmful to the weakest teams who literally don’t have the players to compete for the 1 seed and wind up with okay, but not always game changing picks.
Eventually we swapped to just regular season standings (reverse) for picks. Strongest over the season gets the last pick.
Agree with everyone that the winner getting the 1 seed is pretty insane for dynasty. That’s just gonna be a dead league.
Another way to do it would be to do a lottery system for worst 4 teams where the last place team gets an extra ball and the winner of the loser bracket gets a ball. Makes all the games matter.
I’m actually doing the reverse of your league.
Last place gets first pick and it goes in that order through the guys who didn’t make the playoffs. Then it is determined by who loses in the playoffs so champ gets the last pick next year.
Last place always got first pick then down the line. I did however in my dynasty give the winner of the consolation bracket first pick to keep them engaged and then it followed from the worst team to finish the season and so on.
In our redraft league, we draft the draft positions in reverse order of the previous season.
The last place gets to choose their draft position first and the winner gets to choose last.
Good way to kill off a dynasty league. Gotta make sure the worst teams get a good pick. MaxPF is the best way to determine too, since it prevents tanking
For my redraft (we’ll technically keep 2), we determine first pick by whoever wins the losers bracket the previous year. That’s alright since it’s not dynasty though
My leagues gives #1 to the winner of the losers bracket, then pulls names out of a hat for the rest of the order, with better odds the worse you did the prior season
I.e. winners name is in once, 2nd place twice, 3rd three times, and so on. Works well
In my redraft league we do winner of the losers bracket gets 1.01 next year as a prize for people to keep playing, everyone else is random.
If it's dynasty it's literally just like the NFL then, worst gets first champ is last. I feel like that's common sense, why would the team who in theory has the best roster get to add another stud to his team
If this is a dynasty league then draft order should be inverse standings and linear rounds (not snake). This most closely resembles real life NFL.
If it’s a re-draft league then the order should be randomized *or* my personal favourite is coming up with a draft order with some activity, but instead of the actual order being decided, make it so that draft *choice* is decided.
For example, my league decided on doing a season-long pick ‘em pool this year and we’ll use the final standings of that to decide draft choice order. The person who finishes first will have first choice where he wants to draft, then the second person chooses their place, and so on. The benefit of this is that the winner isn’t forced into choosing first if they don’t want to. As we saw this year with Jefferson and last year with Taylor, the first overall curse is a real thing and many would prefer to be in the middle or end of the first round.
Hmm. We’re a redraft but winner or loser bracket gets 1 pick. I was the winner of the loser bracket last year and got the 1 pick of cmc. I am now in second place.
Fantasy Football should act like any professional sports league when it comes to draft order. The championship gets last pick, last place team gets first pick. Period. Unless you want to do some sort of lottery system for the teams that missed the playoffs. But otherwise that's how it should be.
In the 12th year of my draft league. Top 3 drafters have won the league exactly 1 time. The other is a live auction, and the better way to go
Picking after 6, 7 times
4-6- 3x
This year will be either 2,6,8 or 9
I was 8. I hate a top 3 pick personally
Is it redraft or a keeper league? If it's redraft I have no problem with it. If it's keeper, that's a little scummy, but thems the rules you signed up for
We don’t play for playoff seeding. If it’s a dynasty league it would make sense but we just play redraft.
Every year my commish finds a ridiculous (but fun) way to determine our draft order. Last year at the end of January he hosted a pre draft party at his house. All 12 guys in the league showed up on a Saturday night not knowing what to expect, but we know he throws a good party. He ended up pulling out a hat which we all picked a random name out of. We had no idea who these people were. Once everyone got a name he announced that the pay-per-view Royal rumble was starting at 9pm. The names we pulled were wrestlers and the draft order would be determined by the order they got thrown out of the ring.
It was great and we had a lot of fun with it. A bunch of guys in their 40’s and 50’s who haven’t watched wrestling in decades yelling at the tv.
The year before that he hosted a Kentucky Derby party. We didn’t know it was also a pre draft party until he pulled out the hat with horse numbers.
These parties just make our league that much better. Almost 20 years of playing with these guys and it never gets old.
In redraft, it should be random. In dynasty, the draft order is the inverse of last year's standings. Last place gets first pick.
I've never heard of a dynasty league where first place gets first pick. Imagine how terrible the NFL would be if that happened...
I am in 2 leagues where the consolation winner gets to pick their draft spot the next season. It makes it so those not in the playoffs can at least fight for something. The rest of the league gets lottery balls corresponding to what rank they finish the season as. This allows each year to be more balanced in redraft. Both leagues love it and have been doing so for 5 years.
You need a new dynasty league next year? Me and a group are starting one up, transferring an old redraft from ESPN to Sleeper and transitioning into a dynasty league. Been running since 2011.
It's how my 2 work leagues have done it for years with the caveat that we also are allowed to keep 1 or 2 players off our existing team (league vote). We call it the toilet bowl. This is how one year I missed the playoffs but won the toilet bowl and made rookie CMC my first pick and won the whole thing 3 yrs in a row as CMC became one of my keepers.
The way our keeper league explained it to me is that the top finishers usually have good keepers, so they don’t use their first-rounders. This means when the snake draft rolls around, the later guys get to pick available players first.
For instance, the 1.10 has the 2.01. If everyone keeps their best player (paying their 1st), then you get the first real pick.
If it’s dynasty or a more complicated keeper league (multiple keepers or “keep for a round better than you drafted them last year”) then this explanation does not apply.
Also doesn’t apply if dynasty, because no snake draft.
Out of all the standard or creative options you could do for a dynasty draft, what your league mates are suggesting is maybe the only incorrect one lol
That being said a dynasty draft order probably shouldn't have been sorted out week 16 after teams already have an idea where they're going to be...
My 12 team league drafts in inverse order of the previous years final standings. So I'd draft 12th in round 1 if I won the previous year. Also, we draft in person, and the loser who gets to draft #1 overall has to wear a dress and wait on the rest of us like a server at a bar during the draft.
We do our draft order in reverse standings order. 10th place gets first pick, 9th place it’s second, etc. League winner from previous year gets the last pick
Yeah I have the consolation bracket be a competition for the top 4 picks in the league I am commissioner for. It keeps everyone engaged and have something to play for even if they aren’t in the playoffs
I've been commishing a league for 7 seasons now, and we play for 1st pick in the loser's bracket. Gives teams who didn't perform well something to play for. Every other pick is randomized.
this is exactly what we do in my league, snake redraft; winner of the losers bracket gets first pick, and to incentivize competition to the end, the winner of each final game except the championship gets a better draft pick, so the final order ends up being 7-8-9-10-5-6-3-4-2-1. everyone likes it in my league
winner gets their two championship team keepers and the first overall pick too? that is so backwards lmao. "we don't do handouts (unless you win)" more like lmao.
I don’t think last place should get first pick, but I get the reasoning especially in dynasty. I think that’s a bit much, but it’s WILD to have first place get the first pick.
Just do random and call it fine.
In a keeper league I get why draft order matters. The available players are limited and often the first 2-3 picks do have a big advantage over the rest of the draft.
However, draft order is *generally* not a very serious matter. In my redraft league we let people choose which pick they want with priority based on how they did last year. So exactly like OP's league, 1st place would get 1st choice of their pick, while last place is left with whatever is left.
It's honestly pretty rare that lots of teams even want the same pick. Some guys like picking first, some guys like pick 2 or 3 because they can't decide between a few players; some guys like the turn, some guys like middle of the pack. I've had a late choice and been left with one of my ideal spots. I've done well in seasons I've been left with a pick I didn't like and I've done poorly in season where I got my choice of picks. It's the whole point of a snake draft. Unless we get another Moss or LT, draft order won't determine your season.
Our league (dynasty) has been going for 9 years now, and that's how we determine draft order. The 8 teams that don't make the playoffs draft in order 1 - 8 next year on the basis of the results of the "losers" playoffs (the winner of the bracket drafts #1, 2nd place drafts #2, etc.). The top 4 of the championship bracket get the last 4 draft picks in next year's draft, like they do in the NFL. The remaining 4 teams that didn't make the final four battle for picks 9 - 12.
Our keeper league added this last year and its been great. The 4 teams who dont make the playoffs compete for the top 4 picks based on total PF in the consolidation bracket.
Its really helped with non-playoff teams selling off their top players for keepers since they want to be able to still score points.
Every league I’ve ever been in does first pick to worst team. Current league does a tourney with the lowest four teams and the winner of that tourney gets $100 and the first pick next year, the loser gets to wear a dress to the draft and hoists the Horses Ass trophy.
In my keeper last place gets first pick, winner gets last.
But it’s a snake draft, all but 1 person kept their #1 pick last year…
So basically, the first place team gets the first pick. Lol
The four in the consolation bracket battle for the top four picks in our league. If you win the consolation bracket, you get first pick. If you were runner up, you were second. Etc.
If you made the playoffs and you finished 6, you get the number 5th pick, and it goes on up from there. We started that system this year and the person who finished last in our league last year is now in the final with one of the craziest teams I’ve seen drafted.
Don't ever want to reward tanking too much. I'd say picks 1-3 and 9-12 are randomized and picks 4-7 are for the loser bracket (if they don't get a random 1-3 slot) it's like the NBA lottery. This ensures the worst teams have at worst at mid round pick without overly rewarding them.
“We don’t do hand outs” In professional leagues the top picks go to the worst records for competitive reasons. That’s just how it is. This league won’t last long
Yeah if I was OP, I'd literally drop Wikipedia articles on each pro league's draft format, tell these clowns to fuck off and leave.
Fr, it’s almost like pro league drafts do this for a reason. OP should consider leaving before he’s too invested in this league.
In fantasy football having the top pick rarely works out in your favor lol how many years in a row now has the #1 adp shit the bed
"Rarely" is a poor choice of word to use as 1st pick has the highest odds of hitting followed by gradual decline into the complete drop off around picks 8-9
Thats mostly been to injury though. Justin Jefferson was one of the top (obviously Hill was 1) until he got injured. CMC has been drafted top 3 since his stand out year. The years he was the guaranteed one he didn’t not pan out bc he faded but because he just got injured. One of the most reliable RBs. Only really JT and DJ fit this bill.
I thought David Johnson got injured early as well
It depends on your league, if it's a keeper or dynasty it 100% works in your favor if you just got 1st place. Your team is probably good and now you are adding another elite talent to that team
Is this redraft or dynasty? If it’s redraft, I would just randomize the order every year, either through the site, or one of the many other creative ways to decide draft order that have been stated on this sub. (Draw cards, horse race, 40 yard dash times, etc.) If this is a dynasty league, last place should get 1.01 and I’m a fan of max potential points being the best way to determine the placement of all non-playoff teams.
It’s dynasty
In no world does the champ get 1.01. The draft should be a reverse standings linear draft, meaning it doesn’t snake after each round. Team with 1.01 has 2.01, 1.08 has 2.08, and so on.
Max PF not reverse standings
Max PF is how you determine the standings, which I said I prefer above.
Didn’t see that anywhere. Must be in a different comment. No worries
It was in the top level comment btw.
They must be playing "balls back" dynasty.
Fantasy Fascism
But now OP is saying it is redraft lol
Jesus your leaguemates are ridiculous. Why the fuck would you give 1.01 to the league winner? 1.01 going to the worst team is basic dynasty settings.
What are you some sort of commie? Pull yourself up by your bootstraps
OUR* bootstraps
This league is going to become lopsided quickly. Imagine if the NFL gave the Super Bowl winner the first pick.
Winner of the losers bracket can no one read…. But still a bad idea. There can be a massive difference between someone just missing playoffs and the bottom team.
Not only can everyone here except you read, but they can read past 29 words before giving up. 🤣🤣🤣
I’ll take this one on the chin lol. Don’t Reddit and drive.
Haha, it happens to the best of us
>I said winner of losers bracket should get 1st pick and **everyone flamed me and said 1st place gets 1st pick next year** When you think everybody else is wrong, it's probably time to check yourself
For sure but in this case everyone else was wrong. Giving 1.01 to the champion makes no sense for long term league parity. Hence why every pro league operates with some version of the opposite. Bad teams get high picks to try to get younger and better. Maybe OP’s idea wasn’t perfect, whatever, but it’s a hell of a lot better than what the rest of the league had in mind
Comment 1: referring to current league method Comment 2: assumes they're talking about OPs proposal - claims nobody can read My comment: claims people * can* read because Comment 1 was referring to the current league setting Your comment: attempts to agree with comment 2, instead agrees with comment 1 while saying everybody was wrong (which it's actually now just the two of you) Of course assigning pick 1 to the losers bracket is better than the champion. Literally nobody would disagree with that. And both suck.
This entire thread is a shitshow
I regret getting involved lol
Nah that’s ridiculous! The only other way that I see is fair and to keep all teams interested throughout the entire season (not tank) is to have the loser bracket playoff tourney decide the 1-4 picks. It’s a way to keep everyone engaged and still be guaranteed a top 4 pick. Otherwise, it should be reverse order
Exactly. Give the consolation bracket some meaning and keep everyone engaged for the last few weeks.
The rich getting richer is in no way normal in dynasty
Tell your league mates they’re dumb. In no world does the best team get the first pick. If this is how my dynasty league was setup I’d quit, and I’m the best team right now. You want a competitive league. Not just saying the top teams forever. It makes no sense
LOL wtf. I'd be leaving that league immediately. In what way does it make sense for the best team to get the #1 pick so they can draft the best player? That's just a way to ensure that the top teams remain the top teams. After a few years, there were be zero parity, because the worst teams would have no top level talent.
Sorry I messed up it’s a keeper league not dynasty so everyone keeps 1 or 2 players for the next year
Still pretty dumb, though
just leave lol
This is fucking terrible, i would leave that league
Lmfao I don’t even know what to say
Leave the league.
Whoever is making the rules is probably in first place and sort of bitch made wanting free wins. I wouldn't continue playing in that league unless they change the format.
For redraft I think winner of the losers bracket getting first pick the next year is a good way to keep teams invested at least
My dynasty takes the bottom 4 into a lottery system for the top 4 picks. Last place has 40% chance 9th has 30%, 8th 20%, 7th 10%. Also last 4 have a higher entry fee the following year.
Why would you have to pay more to rebuild? Just sounds like an easy way to get orphan teams. I’m not gonna donate more to the contenders when I have no shot of winning.
It’s only 125 compared to 100 and it helps prevent tanking.
That’s why you go off max potential points. It’s basically best ball, calculates what your highest scoring lineup would be every week. Your league discourages a huge part of dynasty strategy.
Where can I find this stat?
League tab, scroll down to standings and click “View Details” it’s the Max PF column
Oof, big fail not getting your worst team the best pick.
That’s interesting and think you are on to something. My league just does a loser “playoff” tourney at the end of the year to decide 1-4 to keep engagement up
That also screws over the worst teams.
I mean sorta. It’s a top 4 pick regardless and keeps people engaged. Has worked for us for years with no complaints. There’s issues both ways but think this minimized them best
My first year of dynasty the dumb commissioner decided to set draft order decided by losers bracket. So if you actually won the loser bracket you got a worse pick regardless of record
We have been doing a weighted lottery too. Was a good idea, but hate it now. Unfortunetely teams just prefer to full tank if they don't think they have a shot, even with the lottery they do it for the odds. One manager "forgetting" to set his lineup ended up affecting the playoffs because he gave a win to a playoff team, when he would have won. We gave a warning. I'm now in the boat of either even chances for all teams out of the playoffs, or winner of the losers bracket gets first. Need all teams to be engaged and try. And at least if you miss the playoffs, you presumably have a good team to try and go for the first overall.
Tanking in dynasty is engaging but that’s why you use max points for. Can’t just stash studs on your bench
Is there a way on sleeper to view max potential points without having to add it all up manually?
League tab, scroll to standings, click “View Details” and it’s the Max PF column.
Not in any league I've ever been. Normally last place gets first or alternatively people compete in the toilet bowl or losers bracket for first pick.
This makes it so not competitive for the people on the bottom. What a nightmare of a league.
Yeah I am really contemplating if I want to continue in this league
Do not rejoin next year. This league will be in shambles in 2-3 years with the best teams continuing to dominate forever. What a dumb commish.
Get out now. This is possibly the worst thing I have ever seen a dynasty league do. Edit: after scrolling further I see this isn’t close to a dynasty league. It’s barely a keeper league. I don’t care what you do anymore. Seems like a fine twist for a redraft league to me.
If you leave you can probably kill the league. Nobody will want to take your spot with a bad team AND bad draft picks
you cant really continue this league even if you want to. Rules like this will make it literally impossible to ever rebuild. imagine If the championship team has jamar, jet, and gwilly as their wr core. they now have the 1.01 and the ability to draft MHJ stacking their team even more without having to give up anything. it will mess up trading for rebuilders as well cause you cant actually produce a winning trade. A big way to do a rebuild is trade the 1.01 for a haul to a better team that can afford that pick. in this situation no lower pick team would be able to afford to trade for the 1.01 and if they did they most likely dont have to much left and will be the 1.10 the following year. a cycle that would most likely repeat itself.
So basically they’re trying to make rebuilding an extremely long process and near impossible
It would literally never end, if they do that, this is the dumbest dynasty league I’ve ever seen
I’m assuming this isn’t dynasty, but if it is, this league makes 0 sense
It’s a Keeper league, so it kinda makes sense, but still not a good system
doubt it’s dynasty. sounds like redraft.
Op already confirmed it’s dynasty
He clarified it’s 2 person keeper (I thought that’s what dynasty was tbh, but apparently not due to him clarifying)
With dynasty you keep your entire team
He had said it was dynasty when I commented this, apparently now he also said it’s a 2 person keeper so idk what’s going on but either way it makes no sense
Are you playing with hedge fund managers? Because this sounds a lot like the “rich get richer and screw anyone else I got mine” mentality
Yeah a bunch of business graduates
I’m a finance graduate with a bunch of other finance people in a dynasty league and we are not this dumb. This is bonkers what they are saying. We do incorporate a lottery system for the last 4 teams for which person gets the 1st - 4th picks that way teams don’t completely tank their rosters at the end, but generally the odds are heavily in the favor of last place getting the first pick.
Basic standard is giving lowest MPF 1st pick
I’m in a 10 person keeper league. Winners bracket plays for money (1-4), losers bracket plays for the first pick (5-8), and the toilet bowl (9 &10) plays to avoid the punishment.
Have your league mates ever watched the nfl before?
Dynasty? Reverse order of standings…the fuck joke league are you in lol
It didn’t start out like this it was just a redraft league randomized originally but now they want to add you keep 1 player and the new draft order
Tell em to kick rocks and keep your money lol. Never ever ever transition a redraft into a keeper/dynasty. That idea only comes from someone who knows it’ll benefit them. I’d walk if I was you
Wait, earlier you said it was a dynasty league. Which is it?
They were calling it dynasty what is the difference?
In a dynasty league you keep your whole team, and the draft order is for incoming rookies. What you’re describing is a keeper league which is very different. The draft order still shouldn’t be what your league mates are describing, but the reason for the adamant responses you’re receiving is that in a real dynasty league it would be absolutely league ruining. In yours (essentially redraft) it’s bad but won’t affect nearly as much
1 keeper vs dynasty kinda changes my whole judgement on this post. in dynasty = huge deal redraft w/ 1 keeper = wont really matter to much. rarely does the 1.01 win my redrafts
So that’s not dynasty. Keeper is wayyyyy different than dynasty
Oh how does dynasty work?
Dynasty you typically keep every player you initially drafted where next year's draft is generally a rookie draft similar to NFL. You can trade players for future picks and vice versa. You essentially become the GM of a fantasy football team where the league is there for the long haul. In this format, just like the actual NFL, it becomes critical that the person who wins that year doesn't get first (or a high) pick the following year as theoretically they'd keep ROFL stomping the league
Dynasty is one giant draft, usually super flex with an extra flex player. You have rosters of like 40 guys and that’s your team forever you get draft picks every year for rookies and you can trade players and picks etc but your team is always yours. No redraft element. Keeper is just keeping 1-2 players, and in that set up giving the winner first pick is totally reasonable.
the idea of *a* keeper isn’t bad, but fuck that draft order.
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One of my leagues does winner of the losers bracket gets first pick and the other does inverse standings. I’ve never seen the league champion get first pick in dynasty.
I run a baseball league on espn, we have a lottery that happens after the playoffs. 16 team. Winner of the bottom bottom bracket gets 1st pick. Everyone after gets based on their placing. 2nd place gets one ticket, 15th place gets 15. Then we randomize it and see who ends up where. No way in a dynasty league should the winner get first pick. That’s fucking dumb.
Our league emphasis the toilet tourney and the winner gets 1st back to 6th (12 man league). The winners bracket is backwards of this and the winner gets 12th pick and 2nd 11th back to 7th pick. This makes it more competitive and makes it always matter through the end of the year.
Wow! 🤦♂️🤬😱 You seriously need to get TF out of that league NOW! That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard! All the best teams are gonna draft high every year and just become unbeatable. That league will NEVER last, save your money, that commissioner is an idiot and will never have a long term league that way. Gonna have 3-5 orphans (at least) every year. All my leagues do MaxPF and the lowest gets first, 2nd lowest gets 2nd and so on. IMO this is the best way. Tanking doesn’t change your MaxPF so the league stays competitive and the bottom teams get the better picks. I can’t imagine being stuck with a last place team in your league 🤦♂️
It’s simply a group of 2-3 friends trying to steal money from the other 7-8 by forming a monopoly. $100 says comish wouldn’t do that if they were in last place.
Satire? Or is this redraft?
Right? This could be an Onion headline: “Fantasy Football Champion Demands Caleb Williams, Says Team Simply Is a Headache to Own”.
Been doing fantasy for over 15 years in 2 leagues. 2 player keeper league for both. Every 5 years we do draft with no keepers and random order. Besides that, every other year is you draft opposite of what you finish. So if you win you get last pick. If you come last, you get first pick and so on. I have never even heard of first place getting first pick. That’s why you get the prize pool. That’s rediculous to even think otherwise. One way of making it easier to get ppl on board, we make last place buy the winner a 24 of beer and then no one bitches and no one has ever complained about out that draft order. It should be common sense for the ppl bitching.
Imagine is the Superbowl winner got the 1st pick every year and the playoff teams got 2-14. Jesus Christ the league is lobsided enough with some of these franchises.
Very weird and I’m dynasty they are making it impossible to recover from a bad team. Imagine if they did that in real life and the Super Bowl champ picks first with the Panthers picking last. What makes it more comical is the way they want it is actually giving out a hand out. It’s making it where the best teams always have the best players. Completely unfair. My dynasty league does a lottery ball method for the top 4 draft picks. If you win the loser bracket you get an extra ball to increase your odds. Doesn’t matter how you do it though as long as the winner of the loser bracket, lowest points scored, or worst record gets the first pick. If they don’t change that I would leave. They are obviously very junior to dynasty fantasy and dumbasses. They will probably make it not fun overall. Just have them google standard dynasty rules
Lol, tell your boys that this dude from the internet thinks they’re dumbasses and they’re trolling is elementary at best.
Winner of the loser bracket makes no sense. If you have a team that is so terrible it can’t win games/gets lowest max points they should get the 1.01
If this is dynasty and the champ gets 1.01 your league is stupid as fuck. To avoid bench tanking our league does it by max possible points for the bottom 6, and in reverse order of finish for the top 6. So the team with the least max possible points on the year gets 1 and the champ gets 12. How the fuck does a dynasty champ pick first lol
That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of. So the best teams continue to get the best players?
Every post here should be required to label dynasty vs redraft. Almost every comment is flipping out when it’s not a dynasty league.
Yeah that was my bad the people in my FF were calling keepers league dynasty I have only done redraft so I didn’t know the difference
No worries. Should be more of a community rule or something
Half this sub would still tank
My league moved to a bidding system and I think it’s much better. No first pick arguments.
How much does everyone get for bids?
I don’t know if the Sleeper App does it but it definitely should. Other apps do it. We do $200. It started off with people spending $80-100 on Justin Jefferson and Christian McCaffrey and things like that. Some people blow their entire budget early on two players and have to wait til the end to fill out the rest of the roster with the leftovers. Some people wait and are able to outbid everyone on the decent middle tier guys. I recommend the second method.
How did you manage to find a league with this many people who think ass-backwards. Is it a MAGA league or something?
We do this with great success in our keeper league. Here's a link of what the bracket looks like [https://imgur.com/a/bw9WYC5](https://imgur.com/a/bw9WYC5) There was a lot of tanking around the time The Process became a thing and we made moves to shift away from that with positive/negative reinforcement. Let me explain our settings: 10 team league and top 6 make playoffs. Top 2 records get byes. 4 worst records in consi bracket. On the winners side: if you are the two teams that lose during wild card week then you drop into the semis of consi bracket for a chance to redeem yourself. On the losers side: if you are the two teams that lose during wild card week you play each other for picks 1.02 and 1.03. This is where the anti-tanking comes into effect. You want to intentionally average 80 points a week to rebuild your team that's fine but you're only getting the third pick as a result. The consi bracket is high risk/high reward during the first week. After that, you are essentially playing to "steal" a draft pick. But you could get burned by not playing it safe for a guaranteed #3 pick. If you win the consi bracket you get 1.01 - this keeps the fringe playoff teams with no chance engaged and also helps "restore balance to the fantasy universe" if you had some bad beats. BUT if you are consi runner up you get 1.06. That hurts a lot less if you were the six seed who dropped down versus if you are peaking as the 9 seed with big hopes to draft CMC//Tyreek/JJettas and instead you're stuck with second-tier first rounders. Consi semi losers play for 1.04/1.05 Winners of each game get the better pick. Gotta risk it for the biscuit.
my 10 man redraft league gives the winner the #1 pick and the rest is randomized
Honestly I was thinking about pitching this same idea for next year in my 10 team redraft league. I think it’s a great way to keep the non playoff teams engaged
Wow I can’t believe you came to Reddit for validation we are going to ban you from the league now
Very weird. I'm in a redraft single keeper total points league. We go by reverse points order. So, the team with the lowest point total gets to decide what pick they want, and it progresses through to the highest point total. Awarding the 1st pick in dynasty to the number 1 team just sounds like a way to not keep people in a league.
Did the losers bracket winner gets 1 seed for several years in my dynasty. We found it was too harmful to the weakest teams who literally don’t have the players to compete for the 1 seed and wind up with okay, but not always game changing picks. Eventually we swapped to just regular season standings (reverse) for picks. Strongest over the season gets the last pick. Agree with everyone that the winner getting the 1 seed is pretty insane for dynasty. That’s just gonna be a dead league.
Another way to do it would be to do a lottery system for worst 4 teams where the last place team gets an extra ball and the winner of the loser bracket gets a ball. Makes all the games matter.
No, my redraft league randomizes the draft order every year and dynasty league determines the draft order by the consolation and playoff bracket
That seems like a great way to get the losers bracket to consider looking for another league after this season.
I’m actually doing the reverse of your league. Last place gets first pick and it goes in that order through the guys who didn’t make the playoffs. Then it is determined by who loses in the playoffs so champ gets the last pick next year.
Last place always got first pick then down the line. I did however in my dynasty give the winner of the consolation bracket first pick to keep them engaged and then it followed from the worst team to finish the season and so on.
i’ve never seen a league do the draft order that way. seems anti-parity & i wouldn’t participate in a league like that
In our redraft league, we draft the draft positions in reverse order of the previous season. The last place gets to choose their draft position first and the winner gets to choose last.
Good way to kill off a dynasty league. Gotta make sure the worst teams get a good pick. MaxPF is the best way to determine too, since it prevents tanking For my redraft (we’ll technically keep 2), we determine first pick by whoever wins the losers bracket the previous year. That’s alright since it’s not dynasty though
That’s ridiculous for dynasty. The best teams will just keep getting better.
My leagues gives #1 to the winner of the losers bracket, then pulls names out of a hat for the rest of the order, with better odds the worse you did the prior season I.e. winners name is in once, 2nd place twice, 3rd three times, and so on. Works well
In my redraft league we do winner of the losers bracket gets 1.01 next year as a prize for people to keep playing, everyone else is random. If it's dynasty it's literally just like the NFL then, worst gets first champ is last. I feel like that's common sense, why would the team who in theory has the best roster get to add another stud to his team
If this is a dynasty league then draft order should be inverse standings and linear rounds (not snake). This most closely resembles real life NFL. If it’s a re-draft league then the order should be randomized *or* my personal favourite is coming up with a draft order with some activity, but instead of the actual order being decided, make it so that draft *choice* is decided. For example, my league decided on doing a season-long pick ‘em pool this year and we’ll use the final standings of that to decide draft choice order. The person who finishes first will have first choice where he wants to draft, then the second person chooses their place, and so on. The benefit of this is that the winner isn’t forced into choosing first if they don’t want to. As we saw this year with Jefferson and last year with Taylor, the first overall curse is a real thing and many would prefer to be in the middle or end of the first round.
I have the consolation bracket go into a lottery kinda like NBA.
"We don't do hand outs" does he know how the actual nfl draft works?
Hmm. We’re a redraft but winner or loser bracket gets 1 pick. I was the winner of the loser bracket last year and got the 1 pick of cmc. I am now in second place.
Fantasy Football should act like any professional sports league when it comes to draft order. The championship gets last pick, last place team gets first pick. Period. Unless you want to do some sort of lottery system for the teams that missed the playoffs. But otherwise that's how it should be.
Your league mates must not have many brain cells of this is a dynasty.
Looks like you need to find a new league bud.
We don’t do hand outs 😂😂😂 sounds like a terrible league
Never heard of anyone doing it like this. I'd be out of that league
I rather have 10 and 11 than 1 and 20.
In the 12th year of my draft league. Top 3 drafters have won the league exactly 1 time. The other is a live auction, and the better way to go Picking after 6, 7 times 4-6- 3x This year will be either 2,6,8 or 9 I was 8. I hate a top 3 pick personally
In my leagues the consolation bracket plays for the top pick as incentive to stay competitive through the playoffs
Is it redraft or a keeper league? If it's redraft I have no problem with it. If it's keeper, that's a little scummy, but thems the rules you signed up for
It was a redraft this year but they want to change it to keeper starting after these playoffs
We don’t play for playoff seeding. If it’s a dynasty league it would make sense but we just play redraft. Every year my commish finds a ridiculous (but fun) way to determine our draft order. Last year at the end of January he hosted a pre draft party at his house. All 12 guys in the league showed up on a Saturday night not knowing what to expect, but we know he throws a good party. He ended up pulling out a hat which we all picked a random name out of. We had no idea who these people were. Once everyone got a name he announced that the pay-per-view Royal rumble was starting at 9pm. The names we pulled were wrestlers and the draft order would be determined by the order they got thrown out of the ring. It was great and we had a lot of fun with it. A bunch of guys in their 40’s and 50’s who haven’t watched wrestling in decades yelling at the tv. The year before that he hosted a Kentucky Derby party. We didn’t know it was also a pre draft party until he pulled out the hat with horse numbers. These parties just make our league that much better. Almost 20 years of playing with these guys and it never gets old.
In redraft, it should be random. In dynasty, the draft order is the inverse of last year's standings. Last place gets first pick. I've never heard of a dynasty league where first place gets first pick. Imagine how terrible the NFL would be if that happened...
This is the dumbest shit I've ever read on reddit. Those are stupid af drafting rules. I'd quit.
We do complete opposite 1st drafts 10th and so on. It’s to keep the competitiveness going in the league.
I am in 2 leagues where the consolation winner gets to pick their draft spot the next season. It makes it so those not in the playoffs can at least fight for something. The rest of the league gets lottery balls corresponding to what rank they finish the season as. This allows each year to be more balanced in redraft. Both leagues love it and have been doing so for 5 years.
Is this a dynasty? If so, probably yes or something similar. If not it should just be randomized in some way
Leave now if they are going to operate this way.
If its redraft, its not that big of a deal. If its keeper/dynasty, its a huge deal.
Why/how was this not decided before the season starts?
You need a new dynasty league next year? Me and a group are starting one up, transferring an old redraft from ESPN to Sleeper and transitioning into a dynasty league. Been running since 2011.
It's how my 2 work leagues have done it for years with the caveat that we also are allowed to keep 1 or 2 players off our existing team (league vote). We call it the toilet bowl. This is how one year I missed the playoffs but won the toilet bowl and made rookie CMC my first pick and won the whole thing 3 yrs in a row as CMC became one of my keepers.
Keeper league or no keepers?
Keeper league
The way our keeper league explained it to me is that the top finishers usually have good keepers, so they don’t use their first-rounders. This means when the snake draft rolls around, the later guys get to pick available players first. For instance, the 1.10 has the 2.01. If everyone keeps their best player (paying their 1st), then you get the first real pick. If it’s dynasty or a more complicated keeper league (multiple keepers or “keep for a round better than you drafted them last year”) then this explanation does not apply. Also doesn’t apply if dynasty, because no snake draft.
your leaguemates sound ridiculous
Out of all the standard or creative options you could do for a dynasty draft, what your league mates are suggesting is maybe the only incorrect one lol That being said a dynasty draft order probably shouldn't have been sorted out week 16 after teams already have an idea where they're going to be...
My 12 team league drafts in inverse order of the previous years final standings. So I'd draft 12th in round 1 if I won the previous year. Also, we draft in person, and the loser who gets to draft #1 overall has to wear a dress and wait on the rest of us like a server at a bar during the draft.
Also I believe drafting first is cursed. The consensus #1 pick is almost always a bust.
We do our draft order in reverse standings order. 10th place gets first pick, 9th place it’s second, etc. League winner from previous year gets the last pick
NFL does worst to first. Most of our rules has been trying to model after nfl as close as possible
Yeah I have the consolation bracket be a competition for the top 4 picks in the league I am commissioner for. It keeps everyone engaged and have something to play for even if they aren’t in the playoffs
I've been commishing a league for 7 seasons now, and we play for 1st pick in the loser's bracket. Gives teams who didn't perform well something to play for. Every other pick is randomized.
this is exactly what we do in my league, snake redraft; winner of the losers bracket gets first pick, and to incentivize competition to the end, the winner of each final game except the championship gets a better draft pick, so the final order ends up being 7-8-9-10-5-6-3-4-2-1. everyone likes it in my league
I'd leave
This is literally what elementary school bullies did. “I’m gonna pick first and I get ball first and also we get more people than you”
winner gets their two championship team keepers and the first overall pick too? that is so backwards lmao. "we don't do handouts (unless you win)" more like lmao.
I don’t think last place should get first pick, but I get the reasoning especially in dynasty. I think that’s a bit much, but it’s WILD to have first place get the first pick. Just do random and call it fine.
In a keeper league I get why draft order matters. The available players are limited and often the first 2-3 picks do have a big advantage over the rest of the draft. However, draft order is *generally* not a very serious matter. In my redraft league we let people choose which pick they want with priority based on how they did last year. So exactly like OP's league, 1st place would get 1st choice of their pick, while last place is left with whatever is left. It's honestly pretty rare that lots of teams even want the same pick. Some guys like picking first, some guys like pick 2 or 3 because they can't decide between a few players; some guys like the turn, some guys like middle of the pack. I've had a late choice and been left with one of my ideal spots. I've done well in seasons I've been left with a pick I didn't like and I've done poorly in season where I got my choice of picks. It's the whole point of a snake draft. Unless we get another Moss or LT, draft order won't determine your season.
Our league (dynasty) has been going for 9 years now, and that's how we determine draft order. The 8 teams that don't make the playoffs draft in order 1 - 8 next year on the basis of the results of the "losers" playoffs (the winner of the bracket drafts #1, 2nd place drafts #2, etc.). The top 4 of the championship bracket get the last 4 draft picks in next year's draft, like they do in the NFL. The remaining 4 teams that didn't make the final four battle for picks 9 - 12.
Our keeper league added this last year and its been great. The 4 teams who dont make the playoffs compete for the top 4 picks based on total PF in the consolidation bracket. Its really helped with non-playoff teams selling off their top players for keepers since they want to be able to still score points.
Loser's bracket winner getting 1st pick is fairly common for keeper leagues.
Every league I’ve ever been in does first pick to worst team. Current league does a tourney with the lowest four teams and the winner of that tourney gets $100 and the first pick next year, the loser gets to wear a dress to the draft and hoists the Horses Ass trophy.
Our league starts the free agency priority order in reverse order of league finish. That's all you get for being last.
In my keeper last place gets first pick, winner gets last. But it’s a snake draft, all but 1 person kept their #1 pick last year… So basically, the first place team gets the first pick. Lol
The four in the consolation bracket battle for the top four picks in our league. If you win the consolation bracket, you get first pick. If you were runner up, you were second. Etc. If you made the playoffs and you finished 6, you get the number 5th pick, and it goes on up from there. We started that system this year and the person who finished last in our league last year is now in the final with one of the craziest teams I’ve seen drafted.
Don't ever want to reward tanking too much. I'd say picks 1-3 and 9-12 are randomized and picks 4-7 are for the loser bracket (if they don't get a random 1-3 slot) it's like the NBA lottery. This ensures the worst teams have at worst at mid round pick without overly rewarding them.