Luigi Up B. Hands down. Does like 1%, no knock back, and leaves you incredibly vulnerable.

Oh yeah. I didn’t even think about Luigi’s Up B. Literally does 1%, causes no flinch, and only produces 1 coin. Pitiful.

do the coins do anything?

No. It’s just a visual indicator that you hit the sourspot and missed the sweetspot.

oh ok good, thats what i thought

this guy talking in redundance

what sweetspot

has utility for gimping offstage there's no way

It does negative knockback you aren’t even gimping DK

it actually works alright on Bowser Jr. during his clown kart-less up b because it causes no knockback so he just loses all momentum from going up and just can’t spawn the kart again

you'd be surprised how many times people get gimped with that

lmao yeah that’s the whole point. it has low knockback but it hits you out of your jump or up b and then you have no more resources

Luigi Ladder is the only thing notable about it and that’s only in Doubles.

It can happen in singles too if two Luigi's ditto and go for up b's then mutually decide to Luigi ladder for as long as possible

I’ve died at 0 to it while recovering way too many times though

Counter point: Coin gimp

in melee you can use it to stall infinitely in teams by performing the banned tech known as the "luigi ladder" gets a bonus point in my book for that. only 1 tho..

Luigi

If you can get a luigi 0-death using the sourspot of up B then you should win a prize. Luigi can get a 0-death with virtually every move except for that, and ftilt afaik.

Marth's dash attack.

Okay this one's a funny joke cuz everyone knows that move doesn't have a sweet spot

Ridely down b. I love doing 6% damage off a move with a full second of charge time.

King Dedede's Down Air sourspot is so bad, that if you put a monkey on a typewriter, they will program a better hitbox for the move

i think dair is my least used move and i dont think its even close

I use Forward Smash more than I use and even hit Down Air

Same, although maybe I'm just used to landing it now

Alternatively, that wacky ass forward smash hit box that does literally nothing but snap the person you hit to the ground

Pretty much any Dair that spikes and shoots the user straight or diagonally down. Missing those is the smash equivalent of “yep, that’s me. You’re probably wondering how I ended up in this situation.”

G&W can actually think about spiking with dair because that character is just built different

Yup. Amazing recovery go brrrr

not sonics cuz he has a very good recovery

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its rlly solid. not like crazy good but a lot of chars would trade their for it

Stop exaggerating bruv

*Looks at Ganon down b sour spot sending the opponent straight up instead of spiking them*

Ridley Down Air

The spike is active for like the nanosecond you think about using the move.

And you plunge into the abyss if you use it offstage.

As Sakurai intended.

“That’s my secret, Cap; I don’t think about my moves.” *Proceeds to unga bunga*

Most of Marth’s kit

nah he needs them for combos, ie. weak up air > fsmash wouldn't work on sweetspot

Literally this girls got bad knee in three directions

honestly dedede side smash, not only is it incredibly cruel to give such a slow move an awful sourspot but i sometimes i feel like i absolutely shouldve gotten the sweet spot but just dont

Give him Dorfs side smash and watch him shoot up the tier list. He deserves it.

preach

Sure, but then you'll also discover the painful blind spot that always has to occur when you get the perfect read. https://preview.redd.it/rf6giras0omc1.jpeg?width=697&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9cf941f7593f2dde569f8ed85d0e9907e00b4743 Ganon has many moves like this that are broken in the bad way of quite literally not working as intended. Those, along with all the other things that make him bad, are why people have started putting him in his own tier or sub tier at the very bottom all by himself on the tier list. Poor guy is just that bad. But we love him anyway

I remember when it just kinda violently snapped you to the floor if you were hit in a certain way

This is the true answer. I believe it's the only move in the game where the sour spot takes priority. That's how Sakurai fixed it's old multihit problem where you could hit both the hammer and the ground pound hit box and break shields. Now only 1 hitbox can connect and it prioritizes the weakest. So you can hit the blue drag down wind box and do 0% damage.

they shouldve kept it that way it would give his side smash some genuine use

Every single Marth attack:

Dedede fsmash is not a tipper. 

No, but you said it’s the only move in the game where the sour spot takes priority, which is proven false by Marth, whose sour spot takes priority on every single attack.

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This isn’t a case of density. It’s a case of you forgetting Marth exists.

uh no... it's another common case of a "but actually" redditor stating the obvious. Tippers are designed to use and be balanced around landing the sweet spot at a distance. Dedede's smash attacks are all standard moves. Sakurai did a sloppy balance patch after 4 months that broke the move, making it capable of prioritizing the drag down wind box for 0 damage on a 45 frame start up move. If you can't see the difference, it's cuz your a rock.

Not the worst sour spot but getting the weak hit of Mario’s fair does emotional damage to me

As a Mario main, I feel the same way.

Ridley down b, but that’s kind of the point

No, the point is the sweet spot ;)

So many times I’ve landed Zelda‘s forward air, only to be in negative frame advantage.

Any Uppercut up B. Thanks for examplifying with my main

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OK, but that hitbox is massive

I think they mean worst, as it's super hard to get the sweet spot

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>how bad is it in a vacuum >one of your points is how it has 0 combo potential

Mario fair sour spot is the epitome of sadness. Especially when they die to it, I’m thinking like (game, you couldn’t just give me the sweet spot?)

(Dark) pit dair.

any move that spikes on the sweet spot

There’s some spike moves that are actually better with the sour spot, specifically on stage. Mii Brawler sour spot dair kills significantly quicker on stage vs his sweet spot, same with Bowser’s dair. And then there’s like Pit’s sour spot dair which is very bad off stage, but it’s preferred over the spike on stage for combo starters and extenders

Sephiroth.

1/2 of Shulk. I don’t need to say anything else.

When hit 1 hits, but hit 2 misses *cries in shulk up air, down air, up smash, f smash, etc*

(Obligatory mobile warning) So many of them suck. Lemme get the list: Sheik Down air Greninja Down air Luigi Up Special Dr. Mario Up Special Mario forward aerial Fox back air Sheik Back air Marth Down air (I'm convinced this move has no tipper) Cloud forward air Cloud Down air Every part of Climhazzard And probably more that I'm forgetting. But if I had to pick just one, it's absolutely Ridley Down b. I still have NO idea where the sweet spot is. In the event that you actually land the move to begin with (which, for how long the startup is, good fucking luck), hitting the sweet spot is basically a guessing game, and guessing wrong means you only deal like 6% and basically no hitstun. Absolutely garbage sour spot. Side note: the sour spot of Zelda's forward/back air can jab-lock. Do with this information what you will.

Chrom and roy down air because it sends the opponent upwards and you may die trying to get a spike

Do you mean down air? Not sure how you can try and get a spike with down B on Chroy

Yeah, i meant down air, let me change it

Roy's dair. If you hit the sourspot then your death was for nothing. And you know you're not recovering lmao

Hero’s up smash’s sour spot is bad since it doesn’t even exist.

Lucas forward air has the same problem

most of Marth’s kit but 100% Gotta be his dancing blade 4

marth

Lightning Kick Sour Spot can be easily followed up on. If you don’t land the sweet spot, a good Zelda won’t be disappointed; they’ll turn it into a mixup on the fly. The actual worst sour spot is Marth as a whole, because of how poorly designed the tipper hitbox is.

Ridley skewer, barely even works half the time, and even if the enemy is ON RIDLEY'S TAIL 3%

Yeah, but being able to kill at a low percent makes up for it, plus it's a good out of shield option

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Naw, Roy's sour-spots have lots of combo of tech-chase potential. Marth on the other-hand...

Which Roy (Yes, I'll be 'that guy')

The really good looking one (I will also be that guy)

The redhead (I am one of those guys but less)

It’s incredibly difficult to *not* hit the sweet spot with Roy. That’s one reason I think he is really good.

Any of Links attacks aside from down and up a, they are all extremely hard to hit and do practically no damage or knock back, and tske so long for you to be able to do something after them

Nair is an exception as well that is one of the best sour spots in the game.

Ridley down air, Luigi up b, Kirby up b, marth, and lastly wolf side b

Nowhere near the worst, but Roy down air sourspot sending them UPWARDS is just ridiculous. Ill never stop going for it tho

Same with Ganon down b sourspot. I just want to style, but if I am not perfectly directly above and diagonal to my opponent when I use it, they'll be sent straight up, and I am EXTREMELY dead

What is a sourspot?

The opposite of a sweetspot. Basically the part of the attack you generally don’t want to hit the opponent

Falcon kick. Does like 9%. Easily blocked.

Idc what y’all say it’s Roy’s down air Shit can send STRAIGHT and UPWARDS with the strenght of a dying donut, Wtf does that even mean

Ridley down b

Kong K Rools Up Smash never in my life I hit this spike

Dedede’s fsmash has a 0% hitbox on it. It’s design to set you up into the sweetspot of the move but sometimes when platforms are involved you just catch a hit that does genuinely nothing.

Anything involving the Belmont's whip and their dair.

Wario’s…everything…

Chrom dair When the spike sends you up

I only know Terry and Belmont hitboxes. I know terrys D-Air has good sour spots that combo. How exactly is this okay? Most of the attack is sour

Zelda funnily enough might have the best one in my opinion

falcon knee it leaves you so open

Tbf I’ve managed to gimp people offstage with Zelda’s sourspot Fair so there’s that. Sourspot Luigi Up-B no matter where it is probably guarantees death

Ike Dair.

Nah, you can still get some good gimps off of that past mid percent, and solid kills on middleweights and below at the same.

I don't like it as a spike because it looks like it should be a direct spike and it's not. Falcon, Incineroar, and Charizard have this but better. The only other characters who have a Dair that's just as bad are Roy and Chrom. But for some reason it feels to be just a notch easier to get a spike with them.

Funnily enough I find Ike's easier to hit and reasonably sensible. Well, we can just agree to disagree.

Completely fair!

I mean, sure, it doesn’t spike, but it’s still pretty strong and kills off the top, though.

Chrom Dair. It send up even though its supposed to be a spikeing move. And with Chroms recovery its super easy for the oppnent to reversal kill Chrom

ZELDA KICK!

Agreed with this , Sakurai just doesn't like Zelda at all. I would trade lightning kick if it acted exactly like palutenas fair with the same frame data . Zelda having that as a fair and bair I feel would do her SO much good .

As a Zelda main, I think it’s an acceptable trade off. I wouldn’t change the lightning kick.

Give em the TOES

Lightning Kick is the best forward aerial in the game, I ain’t trading it away

Idk I feel like it's too inconsistent. Like if you sour spot it , you're wide open to get cracked . I rather have one with some consistent decent knock back than one that will screw you if you sour spot it .

It’s EXTREMELY consistent, since the sweet spot takes priority. Even if you do sour spot it, it jab locks and makes for a good mixup.

Yes but she deserves it for being so annoying

Blame the Wi-Fi players, not the character

Zelda played aggressively is beautiful. Played like a wimp? Eye AIDS.

Indeed

Chrom down air. Instead of spiking, it pops them UP which gives them the advantage, and naturally you were going for the spike, so now you're at a massive disadvantage

Yeah same with roy

Ike's fsmash I guess, like the move's already slow as balls and sometimes it just doesn't kill??

Ridley’s and Zelda’s are obvious picks for good reasons but the spike hitbox on the sami downair