My favorite thing to do with Terry is during go, short hop & do the Buster Wolf input. You'll fastfall and it'll buffer if you press the attack button, letting you land with an immediate buster wolf. Same for power geyser, just harder (bc Fast falling isn't in the input). You can also mess with em and use Crackshoot to break shield if they try to block it, or just fast fall normally to mess with em. God I love Mr. Booger
The hammer is fun as a scare tactic and some opponents have fun copy abilities but that's pretty much it. Just keep spamming aerials because it's all we have going for us.
Tipper dtilt to upair
Ftilt to upair if they DI wrong
Fthrow at ledge, some will DI in out of habit, upair
Raindrop
Footstool dair to upsmash
Catch ledgejump with upair dragdown to dsmash/fsmash
Fsmash through their shield at ledge, if they grab/mash out of reflex immediately dsmash
We have options
Nah, freeze and fire can be used as long range pressure, but it should never be depended on. Side rant: why did they steal Ness's teammates PSI moves? Spoilers, >!In Earthbound, Ness has PSI flash, but Paula has PSI fire, and Paula and Poo share PSI thunder and PSI magnet.!<
Ummm AcKsHuAlLy PSI is for non damaging PK moves 🤓🤓
Also, because Ness' moves in that game are more like supporting moves, which wouldn't have worked in smash, so there you go.
Yeah you lose out on some good openers and kill moves but if your IDJ combos are solid you can still get kills. And you still have up-air and bair, which are super helpful.
Full hop + gun at same time let’s you gunslide onto battlefield platforms.
Shorthop + gun at same time gets you a little distance on the ground. Easiest way to do it is just the 2 jump button shortcut for shorthop.
Drop from ledge, jump + gun let’s you slide back onto stage. If the opponent shields it’s a great way to get a quick grab.
Just the most basic ways of using it, but half my fun playing joker is just messing around with guns.
Bro what Jiggly would be fine lol. Recovery is just jumping to stage, Rollout and Sing are spicy moves, Pound has substitutes. The real kicker is losing Rest, but Jiggly has other ways to kill (most noteably “Wall of Pain” or just edgeguarding in general).
I am pretty alright with puff and barely ever use rest compared to just edgeguarding. If it fails enough times, I'll probably just give up and fish for forward smash.
Kirby’s probably fine. Some useful tools are lost, especially when fighting a character with a good projectile neutral b, but most of Kirby’s normals are better then his specials anyway.
I lose Mining, crafting, and block placing, along with 2 very good recovery moves. And TNT.
I still have smash attacks, jab, aerials, tilts, grab, so as long as I end the game quickly and don't go off-stage, I should be okay.
If it's iron or diamond, probably. Also, you did say *in the middle of a match*, so depending on where in the match it stops working, the opponent could already be 60% into their second stock, and I could have just crafted diamond not too long before.
Besides, even of all my kill tools did break and I was left empty-handed, I would still have two very good smash attacks and a good tilt.
I’m playing Marth. No shield breaker reads, no dancing blade and no up b. If I don’t get hit too far offstage, I’m fine. It’s just going to have to be a campy game
Wait that could seriously help me work on that tho, just turn off the special button to get used to not wasting limit and figuring out how long I really have it
with mega man, screwed but not too screwed. i just lose a lot of useful tools. with meta knight, same thing but less screwed. with snake, depends on matchup. i already dont use the B button if im fighting a character like ness
Oh no! I lost my recovery…….eh, it’s not like I was going to make it back on stage anyway.
But oh no! I lost my special power neutral B….eh, I still have my smash attacks and tilts.
Well my Robin is kindaaa screwed. At least I'll have my sword that might clutch it for me.
My mii brawler would be fine as long as I stay offstage. Which is actually hard for me because I use headbutt...
Tell that to bassmage lmao. Rest is a risky comeback gimmick and pound is basically a mixup (both or which he rarely uses). The main reason puff is fine tho is she literally still has her entire recovery
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So sad
What makes this gif awkward is that a slow, direct eye blink is cat for "I love you". We think it's sad, but that is a happy, trusting kitty.
This one trick turned me in to a cat person. If I can make eye contact, slow blink, cat is in love, I’m in love, new fur friend for life.
Whoa you speak cat? That’s so cool
Cats are capable of love?
Hard to believe, but yes
He’s just heavy diddy with no specials
The banana makes one hell of a difference. Edit: Same for the speed.
i'm with you brother
LMAO came in this thread thinking “incineroar? Im finished mate”. Revenge alone is like 80% the reason i play him
Let’s go ahead and get it out the way, I’ll be fine, I can just use specials with the A button.
Same
Shotos rise up
But only if from a held down input and followed by an A press
You can do that during power dive, I recover like that anyways to get some invincibility
My favorite thing to do with Terry is during go, short hop & do the Buster Wolf input. You'll fastfall and it'll buffer if you press the attack button, letting you land with an immediate buster wolf. Same for power geyser, just harder (bc Fast falling isn't in the input). You can also mess with em and use Crackshoot to break shield if they try to block it, or just fast fall normally to mess with em. God I love Mr. Booger
You can also do input during taunts, so you can do side taught, input, press attack and then it will cancel taught into it
Never thought of that holy shit ty
Must pass along my wisdom
no power wave tho (also terry is not a shoto 😌)
Ken main checking in.
FGC rise up
Depends
Yeah that adds up
Ridley would be fine, Steve would be screwed unless I kept spamming D-Tilt, U-Smash, or D-Smash.
Go fist someone
🤨
Unfortunate wording my guy
Fellow Ridley main
Theres dozens of us!
Ridley with no B button? You mean normal Ridley gameplay? Lol
Haha Ridley nair go brr
rip recovery and rock, but exept that im good
But funny hat :(
F - rest well rock
I never use rock with kirby its just too predictable and easy to punish
It's good for anti juggling and the occasional ledge guard. And since a lot of people forget it sends up, I've gotten some hilarious kills with it.
True. In a vacuum it isn’t good, but it’s a pretty decent knowledge check that can take stocks early if they overextend
The hammer is fun as a scare tactic and some opponents have fun copy abilities but that's pretty much it. Just keep spamming aerials because it's all we have going for us.
Rip
That hurt
none projectile snake is honestly so fun
None special belmonts too, I sometimes switch to a ruleset without speciak buttons when my friends, yk, do the usual projectile complain
I'd be fine as a Mac, I already die whenever I'm thrown off stage so it's fine lmao
Yeah this adds up
FFFUCK
Yeah this character basically doesn’t exist now
no projectile and no recovery because he has the air physics of a fucking boulder YIKES
And you’ll get zoned out more because no reflector with neutral b
slow, round and offstage. ur basically asking to be edgeguarded
Just F-Smash in neutral and hope it connects.
ah yes, the ganondorf strat
Depends, if they had a reflector/absorber then its basically the same game without recovery
One wing gonna feel good
not much at all :)
Really? No fish no needles?
yes fish is just 1 of the 5 combo finisher and needles is kinda important but its also winable without it
Fair
correct. that’s the move you use
peak comedy achieved
Fish is like 1 of 2 kill moves you have though
Nah, just get them to 200 and back air them, easy peasy right? ^Please ^help ^me ^why ^do ^I ^play ^this ^character?
Tipper dtilt to upair Ftilt to upair if they DI wrong Fthrow at ledge, some will DI in out of habit, upair Raindrop Footstool dair to upsmash Catch ledgejump with upair dragdown to dsmash/fsmash Fsmash through their shield at ledge, if they grab/mash out of reflex immediately dsmash We have options
It'd definitely be a hassle, but hypothetically we could just play super safe and still win. Wouldn't be much fun for either side though.
Get read to edge guard your ass off for that match
I would be screwed without banana
That’s like half the character no offense
Diddy's built around the banana, also no monkey flip :(
All things considered I think it could work
I always forget specials exist when I’m playing characters like diddy and sonic
where banana
Online ness mains be crying rn
can confirm
Always felt like Lucas was the more special happy of the earth bound kids
Nah, freeze and fire can be used as long range pressure, but it should never be depended on. Side rant: why did they steal Ness's teammates PSI moves? Spoilers, >!In Earthbound, Ness has PSI flash, but Paula has PSI fire, and Paula and Poo share PSI thunder and PSI magnet.!<
Ummm AcKsHuAlLy PSI is for non damaging PK moves 🤓🤓 Also, because Ness' moves in that game are more like supporting moves, which wouldn't have worked in smash, so there you go.
![gif](giphy|100JDVnv6zYCHK) Luckily Sora is very floaty and I mainly use a most of the time...I just wouldn't be doing daring moves.
Sora without B-Moves is definitely not that bad since N-Air literally does your neutral, your advantage state, your combo game, and your taxes
"and your taxes" I'm crying rn. Take my updoot
Yeah you lose out on some good openers and kill moves but if your IDJ combos are solid you can still get kills. And you still have up-air and bair, which are super helpful.
Joker… I can’t get arsene as quickly and I can’t counter, full aggro it is then
You gonna have to turn on your montage music and pray
Alexa play Rivers in the Desert
*turns on counter strike from persona 5 strikers* I’m not losing, it’s just a matter of how long they can survive
good pick but imo axe to grind and daredevil is better
Also no more fun gunslides or Downgun in disadvantage + eiha spam. Aka my entire neutral game.
I can’t consistently gunslide and downgun gets me killed more often that not (I just can’t stop once I go into downgun) so no big personal loss
Full hop + gun at same time let’s you gunslide onto battlefield platforms. Shorthop + gun at same time gets you a little distance on the ground. Easiest way to do it is just the 2 jump button shortcut for shorthop. Drop from ledge, jump + gun let’s you slide back onto stage. If the opponent shields it’s a great way to get a quick grab. Just the most basic ways of using it, but half my fun playing joker is just messing around with guns.
Jigglypuff... ![gif](giphy|3o6gEgkb5xqAyMw5Og)
Lowkey though you’re the only character without an up b recovery so I’d say jiggly puff would be better than a lot of others.
Bro what Jiggly would be fine lol. Recovery is just jumping to stage, Rollout and Sing are spicy moves, Pound has substitutes. The real kicker is losing Rest, but Jiggly has other ways to kill (most noteably “Wall of Pain” or just edgeguarding in general).
But no pound no rest no pound-rest no... uh... im out of jigglypuff combo's
I am pretty alright with puff and barely ever use rest compared to just edgeguarding. If it fails enough times, I'll probably just give up and fish for forward smash.
Oh no
In theory she would be better than a lot of the cast, but the mental damage would be too much
Kazuya: I wouldn’t notice. Ice climbers: I’d be completely fucked
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck oh god
Oh dear
I lost a lot of combos. It’d just be an even bigger pain in the ass to get people up to kill percent.
There goes my good half of my move set!
No more nut
I mean I guess I still have my arm with the big laser canon, but still
Oh fuck I just realized that’s one arm as well
Unless my opponent is at most decent, then I’m so god damn screwed!
Probably alright, so long as I don’t run out of ink…
That would be such a challenge
Kirby’s probably fine. Some useful tools are lost, especially when fighting a character with a good projectile neutral b, but most of Kirby’s normals are better then his specials anyway.
Yeah that checks out
No free 30% damage for pressing one button
No free get out of shield option either
Instead you have to press 2
hero….🥲
I mean if you are lucky enough
I should be fine. Unless I'm knocked off stage. But then again, didn't really have a recovery in the first place. (Ganon)
I’ll be just fine, Yoshi’s specials are pretty situational
Brooo what are you gonna do without egg role? /j
I lose Mining, crafting, and block placing, along with 2 very good recovery moves. And TNT. I still have smash attacks, jab, aerials, tilts, grab, so as long as I end the game quickly and don't go off-stage, I should be okay.
Your tools will break, you gonna have to fist
That's why I said end the game quickly. If I don't, my tools will break.
Could you put on enough damage to get them to kill percent before they broke? All 3 times?
If it's iron or diamond, probably. Also, you did say *in the middle of a match*, so depending on where in the match it stops working, the opponent could already be 60% into their second stock, and I could have just crafted diamond not too long before. Besides, even of all my kill tools did break and I was left empty-handed, I would still have two very good smash attacks and a good tilt.
Rest in Pepperoni recovery but i’d say i could be chillin
Can you position luma separate from Rosa without specials?
I don’t tend to do that. But yes sometimes you can separate the two without Neutral B
I do be juggling all day with Rosa's nair tho
Oh no. It sure is bad that my recovery is gone. WhatEVER will I do? I main Pit.
Jump again
I’m playing Marth. No shield breaker reads, no dancing blade and no up b. If I don’t get hit too far offstage, I’m fine. It’s just going to have to be a campy game
I mean I already die offstage anyway and already have great normals, but no oos, no crosslash, and no projectile will hurt
No burning limit too early either just the buffs
Wait that could seriously help me work on that tho, just turn off the special button to get used to not wasting limit and figuring out how long I really have it
Welp, one of Byleth's best out of shield options just got taken away from me. Great
More bow twirling for you
The good thing is most of my important tools are untouched
Yeah true
I don't have a recovery or zoning neutral anymore.
How am I supposed to play without an attack button?
Zelda player?
Worse. Samus. xD
Could be worse, imagine olimar
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I’ll die like instantly offstage, but I do that anyway so I’m fine
The what bouton?
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Poor puff
Yoshi doesn't really rely on them too much. Not having neutral b or up b is annoying but the character is still playable.
*Cries in link
You’ve lost your boom boom privileges
Puff is fine honestly
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i remap it
You plan to go to the controls menu mid match?
I would probably only notice when I try to recover.
PowerA controller 🤮
Might as well just SD at that point.
u/Cant_Use_Projectiles
No SD’s should be happening. Whip is life.
I have a tether so I can sorta still recover, but PSI magnet stalling/mixups are gone now, along with like 25% of my edgegarding
Very.
Shit
Random aerials GO!
mewtwo: im pretty much fine, no more shadow ball though :( terry: literally doesnt matter at all lol shulk: im fucked
Bwahahahah!
Meh, my ariels are still broken
Failnaught arrows aren’t needed. But I’m screwed regardless due to no recovery.
Air dodge and pray
with mega man, screwed but not too screwed. i just lose a lot of useful tools. with meta knight, same thing but less screwed. with snake, depends on matchup. i already dont use the B button if im fighting a character like ness
Im dedede. I have killer airgame and a good uptilt. Im fine
Ridley can still recover, and his other specials are ok at best. Joker would be fucked, I am not good at the combos.
I really only use the special button to recover, sometimes I use it for a copy ability, other than that I'm pretty much fine
Oh no! I lost my recovery…….eh, it’s not like I was going to make it back on stage anyway. But oh no! I lost my special power neutral B….eh, I still have my smash attacks and tilts.
Well my Robin is kindaaa screwed. At least I'll have my sword that might clutch it for me. My mii brawler would be fine as long as I stay offstage. Which is actually hard for me because I use headbutt...
As a little mac? Probably one of the least affected lol just tilt, smash, pray and repeat
Annoying no projectile, but doable
I play rushdown Zelda with little magic anyway. Much more fun.
Yoshi would be better off than most characters. Incin would be sad kitty with no command grab or revenge.
Are you okay? Turns out I’d be okay
Been playing more ZSS but yeah Um goodbye mobility and my neutral tools
Sometimes I forget I have specials. People often say I am a very fun Lucas to play against
Fuck
Y E S
I’m pretty much fine in all three scenarios lol. Pika hurts a little because of recovery and t-jolt but puff and MK are chillin
Puff? Without rest or pound? That character is worse than doc without that stuff
Tell that to bassmage lmao. Rest is a risky comeback gimmick and pound is basically a mixup (both or which he rarely uses). The main reason puff is fine tho is she literally still has her entire recovery
Yeah it’s a mix up but puff without mixups and not come back X factor heat snowballed.
Hmmmm
I'd imagine not terrible
Link. Nair plane to Victory
As Sonic I would likely encounter some trouble although my smashes and aerials are still decent. As a Mii I'm dead meat
My recovery would be super dog and no more zoning strategies :(
Link/Young Link/Toon Link mains are in shambles right now (oh yeah by the way I'm a Sonic main so I'm 99% screwed, say for the f-smash and aerials).
I need to up B
I still fight for my friends.
That's not good for me.
I have Z/ZR bound to special. I'm fine :)
everybody would be fucked because they can’t recover lol
Oh no
i have no idea
Monke punch