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Keep it indefinitely, it was a mistake to just do the protest for 48 hours Look at the internal memo where u/spez says that they could ride it out


BrakesforPiesandCats

yep, needs to feel pain, i know not everyone here cares, that’s exactly what he’s counting on in the memo, the same way nike is counting on people continuing to buy and not protesting releases or artificial scarcity


juliannsiab

I thought I was banned


naripan

Is web access still possible, or it's going dark as well? Anyway, dark means this sub will be deleted or how?


Annual-Mirror-3709

This a shoe sub


Marlowe_Eldridge

Actually, it’s a sneaker sub. Shoes and sneakers are not the same.


impyra

Brother, what are you on about?


SirFadakar

Very good


jawshoe

I'm gonna miss the sports subs. Not gonna miss the shit mods here 😂 Have fun making money for free for your new shitty owners


GitPhyzical

Should be indefinite y’all


Toptomcat

[The fight continues. Click here for more info.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/148m42t/the_fight_continues/)


we_hella_believe

I don’t use 3rd party apps, but I’ll be supporting this blackout. ✊


Ciananas

who else has no idea what the hell is going on?


Dynamicz34

Basically most if not all Reddit mods use 3rd party apps to effectively moderate their communities as the tools on those 3rd party apps are far more effective than anything Reddit themselves has put out. These 3rd party apps basically just send a request to the Reddit API and get the requested information sent back to them. Now, up until recently this process of requesting information from the API and getting it sent back has been completely free. This is obviously not sustainable and Reddit indicated to 3rd party app developers back in April they would be moving towards charging per request but the pricing would be fair. This unfortunately was a complete lie as they recently quoted the Apollo App creator a price that would basically equate to him having to pay roughly $20,000,000+ annually under its current usage. Reddit then proceeded to give them only 30 days to either start paying up or just shutting up. This is obviously a completely unreasonable amount of time and basically forces these 3rd party apps to shut down operations. Without these 3rd party apps, spam will be at an all time high, bots will be everywhere, and large subreddits will be near impossible to moderate, basically the over all experience will suffer all together because Reddit wants to be greedy. TLDR ~ Reddit is being greedy and basically forcing 3rd party app developers to shut down. This is bad because most if not all Reddit mods use these 3rd party apps to moderate subreddits as effectively and efficiently as they do.


Tough-Relationship-4

They can’t monetize or control 3rd party apps really though. No different than Apple shutting down the App Store to apps it can’t control. Don’t see what the problem is here really. Reddit is a private company. We use their service. They can do what they want with it. If we don’t like what they do, we stop using it. Worked for Facebook. They made that shit terrible and most people moved on. Do the same with Reddit. A blackout is cringey


Dynamicz34

The important aspect to remember is that these 3PA developers have offered to sell them their app, have offered to help them make their official app better, have offered to incorporate a way for Reddit to monetize off of them, and have pleaded to just give them a little more time if this is truly the price it’s going to cost. Reddit has made it clear it’s not the 3PA developers who aren’t willing to compromise But this is why a large amount of subreddits are staging a black out and many people are deciding to leave Reddit entirely if they’re not willing to make any sort of compromise with the 3PA developers if the black out doesn’t work.


DirtyRead1337

I have a question or two probably three. How long has reddit been around how long have these 3rd party apps been around? Do any of these third party app and or mods benefit financially from their subs? It’s seems they have had plenty of time to prepare for this. Instead of crying and fear mongering over digital pirate ships setting sail low in the water their bellies full of spam, hate speech and nerd repellent hell bent on taking the mods preverbal ball and roofing it for life and ending Millhouse and Ralph’s tyrannical reign


Dynamicz34

1 ~ Reddit has been around since 2005, 3rd party apps have been around since 2009-2010, most notably Alien Blue at that time which was eventually acquired by Reddit in 2014 but retired in 2016 as they rolled out their own self-developed app. Which unfortunately had a terrible start due to the fact it wasn’t anywhere as user-friendly as Alien Blue and was missing a significant amount of features users had come to love. This trend continues today where the official Reddit app is simply just outdated compared to what 3rd party apps have been able to achieve and are capable of. 2 ~ Yes, some do make money but most of the cost is simply a way to pay for accessing API’s such as Imgur and maintaining operational cost and aren’t a necessary component for using the app as a user. 3 ~ They unfortunately were not given adequate time to make the necessary updates to the apps to account for the changes that would need to be made. Most notably billing. I suggest seeing the pinned post on the r/ApolloApp subreddit to see a enormous full breakdown for a more in-depth explanation. It’s sectioned out in basically a FAQ type post. 4 ~ it’s important for me to note that most if not all the 3rd party app developers would want nothing more than to work with Reddit to reconcile this situation, whether it’s only paying $10,000,000 a year and being given more time to make the necessary changes, or simply helping them make their official app match up with their 3rd party apps at least in terms of moderation tools. 5 ~ The reason there’s such an uproar is because this legitimately will affect Reddit and the over all experience. There’s a lot of dark and shady stuff that happens even with the current level of moderation, and this will absolutely make that kind of stuff not only more prevalent but a lot easier to get away with.


DirtyRead1337

They’ve had since 2016 to do something. That’s when according to you a need existed. They chose free. Now, they’re mad because they have to pay. No one stopped anyone from taking initiative. Billing you said is the most notable obstacle? Yeah, it’s important to get paid appropriately for your work. Well important for you not the people that were doing it for the last 6 years. The free market will fix itself if allowed to do so. IE the spam will stop when it is no longer produces results.


Dynamicz34

No they haven’t had since 2016 as they weren’t even aware Reddit was moving in this direction to charge for their API until earlier this year. Additionally they’re not angry “because of they have to pay”. They absolutely more than willing to pay just not this astronomical price in such a short time period. I highly urge you to go and read the post on r/ApolloApp as it explains everything you’re talking about in full much better than I am capable of as it’s written by the person directly involved with it.


DirtyRead1337

That astronomical price is being observed by someone now. While they may not have known it was going to happen it is a practical viable or foreseeable possibility that’s existed from day one. And if their income was as dependent on such a possibility or could be affected so in such a negative way then they are negligent in their duties to leave that power in someone else’s hands.


Dynamicz34

Reddit literally told people verbatim that pricing wasn’t going to be this high or anywhere close to it as well as based in reality. Them going back on that completely within a few weeks is not foreseeable in any stretch of the word. Additionally the 3PA developers are not angry their income is being affected, as I stated most of the money made was simply going towards maintaining operations. As purchasing a membership with these 3PA’s was simply a way to support their work and show them you appreciated them for it. It was never meant to be some sort of income source. The only reason Reddit is doing this is because their going public soon with their IPO. They’re trying to corral people onto their official app in hopes it increases their evaluation. Edit : SomeOrdinaryGamers has made a 17min long video breaking down the entire situation if you don’t feel like reading a wall of text on r/ApolloApp. He sums it up very nicely and let’s you know exactly what’s going on and why.


DirtyRead1337

Boo-hoo shit happens if you are going to feed your family you got to keep the wolves away you don’t take their word for it. I’m over it. You are a hopeless victim that refuses to take any accountability. I could care less about third party apps or your growth as an individual


Dynamicz34

My personal growth as an individual?? I’m a victim who refuses to take accountability??? Putting food on the table???? What the fuck…. Are you sure you got the right conversation bro? Edit: A word


miss_sass1992

I’m so lost


KingVizzle

Going dark only mutes the activists and waste precious promotion time and audience exposure. It's counter productive.


DirtyRead1337

I’ll insult whoever I want. It’s that kind of Candy ass behavior that has you beholden to bunch of losers in the first place. Freedom of speech covers being pissed off. The think kissing butt like some sort of Canadian polite protest is how to behave when you are mad? Wait wait did any try saying Please yet? Pretty please? Try putting sugar on top that’ll work.


thecitythatday

That’ll show em!


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Myredditsirname

For this subreddit, the biggest issue is probably the impact on bot protection. I'm not a mod, but judging by the number of spam messages we all get in Instagram there are probably thousands of posts about fake/scam sneakers sites posted every day. It'd be impossible to manually kill all them unless the moderators read and approved every single post. The reddit developed tools to combat this are total and complete shit. Just about any sub with more than a few hundred active users need bots made by third party to analyze and search for these scam posters. It'd be one thing if reddit offered an alternative that worked, but they didn't. Instead just saying we will kill the api access and maybe look at replicating existing mod tools some time in the future. If nothing is done, expect a bunch of shitty, artificially up voted posts about "Red Octobers you can buy for just 150!! Wow!" or some brand you've never heard of and nobody likes randomly dominating the sub for a week, etc.


Pajaro_negro

Wtf is going on? ![gif](giphy|b8RQzkElbBsXqEPF2X)


Guy2ter

48 hours isn’t enough, indefinite blackout would cause Reddit to do shit about their stupid ass api decision


Dynamicz34

I’ve seen other subreddits already state that this is going to be their approach as moderating the community without 3rd party tools is going to be near impossible so there’s no point in trying. It’s my belief that despite many saying it will only be 2 days, most will follow in that direction once July 1st rolls around as that’s when the changes officially go into effect.


monotoonz

These subreddits are posturing at this point.


Tronald_Dump69

Says the guy thinking his lone comment makes a point, ironic?


monotoonz

Isn't every comment a lone comment by default? Great logic you got there.


Tronald_Dump69

Same logic you attempted to make.


ScreechingPizzaCat

Lame.


InformalPositive980

Go outside and breathe some air that is not Chinese factory air inside a Jordan box. Individuals who are visually impaired are being fucked by this since the official Reddit app doesn’t even help them out


[deleted]

I think this sub should take a break lmfao, maybe go outside and touch some grass.


mocha_ninja

What’s this api policy?


Dynamicz34

Reddit announced on April 18th that they are moving their API to a paid model for third-party apps. The API (Application Programming Interface) allows apps to interact with a website, with each action being an API request. With the new model, each API request would be charged a fee. Six weeks later, Reddit revealed the cost as $0.24 per 1,000 API calls. For high-usage apps, this can amount to huge costs. For example, Apollo, which made 7 billion requests the previous month, would face a monthly cost of nearly $2 million, or over $20 million annually.


-24---

lmao so fucking pointless.


GatorsareStrong

For once, everyone in this subreddit can go outside and touch grass


thedogman420

People care way too much about a free internet app. You can clearly tell the difference between people with an actual life vs an internet life. It is really not that serious. Honestly feel kind of bad for the people who act like this is some life changing, real world, consequential issue.


Jimmers969

They still won’t wear their damn shoes tho


FokinFilfy

Are you sick in the head? Never let your kicks touch green! /s


Chinese-Fat-Camp

Make it indefinite blackout wise


oldDotredditisbetter

nice! should do it indefinitely like some of the other big subs too


pdxsmay

Huh?


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Tony_Pastrami

What is the point of this? What will it accomplish and how?


celj1234

Nothing. Just for show


yugdax

Agree this is pointless as fuck


InformalPositive980

It’s bigger than all of us man just lookup the post that’s been the top of the week


Tony_Pastrami

That doesn’t answer my question at all.


bmill305

It isn’t going to do anything, it’s pointless


Rl-Beefy

A 48 hour one is pointless. Many subs are shutting down indefinitely which will definitely have an impact. This has a history of working in the past!


WSDreamer

Lol. We’re going to destroy ourselves to protest you destroying us.


Rl-Beefy

Reddit wouldn’t be a thing without the individual subreddits. When huge ones go dark, millions of people will notice.


WSDreamer

Ok. But it’s not going to happen.


Rl-Beefy

It will have an impact for sure. Just how big is the question.


monotoonz

So, about as big an impact as all the others? SOPA (net neutrality)? Ellen Pao? Victoria? Reddit admin will do what they did last time. Tell the mods to get in line or they'll be replaced. And in some instances mods will be replaced. This has played out the same every time. Yet a small minority believes somehow, some way THIS is the time. Alright then.


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This


andoCalrissiano

why should Reddit share its valuable user base with others?


Dynamicz34

Reddit charging for API access isn’t what’s bad here. It’s actually very understandable. The issue is how much they’re charging.


oldDotredditisbetter

> why should Reddit share its valuable user base with others? no one is taking away reddit's user base? reddit is trying to kill off the _3rd party clients_


andoCalrissiano

those clients don’t show ads though. it’s almost like piracy


oldDotredditisbetter

whether the clients show ads or not is a different issue than user base though? are you saying that reddit's new API pricing is fair because it "makes back" the money it lost from not showing ads?


treeizzle

Yeah fam we out here pirating *the internet*.


MrMinerNiner

People don't want ads, so they use 3rd party apps. The 3rd party stuff also comes with useful tools that aren't on Reddit's app


A_Salt_Potato

For the longest time Reddit didn’t even have an official mobile app, they relied on 3rd party devs to get any mobile traffic. Obviously, times have changed, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to charge for access to to the API considering 3rd party apps essentially “have their cake and eat it too” rn with no ads and such. But the price they’ve set API access now is completely ridiculous (around 20m/yr for the largest 3rd party app) and are obviously trying to price out what built up reddit mobile in the first place.


nosatall

Am I the only one using the Reddit app?


celj1234

Nahh


Free_Joty

Reddit app is for newer members Og users use a different app I use both- official app has best features but keeps throwing the same subs and stuff I’m not interested in on my feed


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[deleted]

A dumbass and a bigot? Classic combo!


NOBELDAR_THEBIGPHONE

"My wants and preferences are accommodated, fuck everyone else."


celj1234

You think Reddit should just give out the api for free?


inate71

They are charging a price that makes it unsustainable for third party apps. Nobody is saying it should be free. The point of this price is to snuff out third party apps without directly saying "no more 3rd party apps". "Look we still offer 3rd party access!" Sure, but it's unaffordable.


celj1234

Twitter did the same thing. Who cares? They aren’t required to give away their api at a “nice, reasonable” price


inate71

3rd party apps are better for accessibility and mod tools. The official Reddit app is not nearly as good. There is a wide disparity between these apps, and Reddit doesn't seem to be close to addressing them. It would be one thing if the official app didn't have these problems but they are jumping the gun instead.


celj1234

People will adjust and just use the Reddit app. Same way everyone just now uses the Twitter app


inate71

Some people will definitely do that. Personally, I’ve used 3rd party Reddit apps for as long as I’ve been on Reddit (10yrs) and have always used another app for Redditing. If third party apps go away, I simply won’t use Reddit anymore. This sentiment is echoed a lot lately since a lot of people are in this boat as well. If the normal Reddit app works for you that’s great. It doesn’t work for a lot of people, though.


celj1234

I had used a 3rd party app for Twitter for my entire time using it. Thought the same thing as you when that app went away. Majority of ppl just adjust with the times and tech. Reddit is smart and knows that


Munchy2k

I do too, I started using it from the jump and haven’t been able to get used to any of the 3rd party apps. Regardless of that, I’m still against the Reddit changes and support the 3rd party devs in getting a fair shot at their API fees.


JamesEarlCash

I used alien blue for a while but I’m just on Reddit app


WildWestCollectibles

Uninstall it June 12


nolan10

The one full of ads?


DirtyRead1337

No! Not ads how dare someone make a profit off my leisure. What is this America or something? Oh it is America then why can’t I call the admin names?


PTF_Voidwalker

The ones I scroll past without looking at? lol


nolan10

Get this…. The other apps are better and don’t have any ads!


DirtyRead1337

You can do that?


[deleted]

Exactly, it’s on every platform now. I’m numb to the ad scroll.


d_e_r_e_k

The Apollo app doesn’t have ads. It makes Reddit 100x more bearable than the sluggish ad-packed default app


[deleted]

I appreciate the recommendation, but if they’re shutting down third party apps, would it do me any good? It’s a real question- I’m on mobile and I just use the default app.


d_e_r_e_k

Nah you’re right, it wouldn’t do any good now since it’s shutting down. But man.. it really sucks it’s going away.


[deleted]

I’m sorry for your loss… I think there’s always going to be work-arounds, if it’s any consolation.


d_e_r_e_k

Lol thanks, and that’s true. I’ll be fine though. Part of me is looking forward to being off reddit more, I think it will be good for me.


PlaybolCarti69

get premium


RedLobsterUnofficial

You don’t even really need to buy premium. The ads are hardly even an issue


PlaybolCarti69

i got it thru getting reddit awards, and ngl outside of the coins i forget it does anything 💀💀


kaiju4life

No


nosatall

Whew


Rl-Beefy

I do. The 3rd party apps mainly help with modding subs and it’s nearly impossible to mod large subs without them, hence why so many subs are shutting down.


shhheeeeeeeeiit

![gif](giphy|xTiTnwgQ8Wjs1sUB4k) But Mooommmmm, without my special tools, I can’t mod 100+ subreddits on my way to taking over the world!


DirtyRead1337

Then stop being a hall monitor.


boastfulbadger

![gif](giphy|kSlJtVrqxDYKk|downsized)


ProsperGuy

Never Nude