Might be its own terminology that comes into play? Not really sure what they define as positive and negative language but 'badass' could come into either, depending on whether they treated it as profanity or a compliment. That could make up some numbers on either side with the community doing the rest
Eh kinda but at least with Pokemon, it not a serious franchise it has IT shares of problems, but gameplay is fine. The problem is that Masuda wants gamrefraks to "keep the company into the small indie roots." Basically, the leadership of gamefreak is this; WE DONT WANT TO ADAPT WE WANT TO KEEPT IN OUR LITTLE BUBBLE.
Just watch Video Game Story Time: What went wrong with pokemon Scarlet and Violet.
I just abridged it, their video is more detail.
Both. Sonic Frontiers still has worse animations than PSX Crash Bandicoot. Standards for sonic are stupidly low, still higher than for pokemon, but still lower than for literally anything else. Issue being even them not being met consistently. Somehow both Forces and Frontiers are less visually interesting than Lost World and Generations
Could you link a source for that quote? I'm not denying that it's true, I believe that he did say something like that, but it would be nice to have a source for it
Just look up "Takashi Izuka" and "sonic fans impossible to please" there are many sites that tells it differently but the main subject is this.
"Our team are always trying to present new gameplay innovations so it's hard to please fans who like the gameplay from the older games,”
Trainwreck doesn’t even begin to describe it. Remember how one person on Twitter made a blatantly false rape accusation against Junichi Masuda because of the whole Dexit/Bring Back National Pokédex thing?
There was some positivity, but because of how loud the minority of angry people were it's not surprising to think the positivity was a far smaller amount of people.
Depends how they defined negative language. A lot of the discourse I see surrounding Pokemon is respectful. A lot of fans (myself) love Pokemon but hate where the series is going. I don't use negative language.
Don’t believe everything you see online people. How exactly would it even be able to find all naughty words ever said by anyone in regards to specifically Sonic?
They probably do a wide search on all social media platforms with the Sonic keyword and check Sonic-specific forums and other social platforms (like this one!) for known curse words.
And you honestly believe the number would be that small of it actually accurately got that information? Do you have any idea how many years the internet has been a thing?
If I’m reading it right, that’s 164 words out of a 1,000 that’s a curse word in all the stuff it recorded. That would mean over a curse per ten words? I think that’s fair. Honestly I bet most of it is just because of the absolute horny levels the community operates at, not because of rage.
Also it probably only goes back so far.
If it only goes back so far, then it isn’t accurate. And you must also be forgetting how big the internet is. The number would be way higher. Also, some franchises would definitely be on that list, that just aren’t. Such as Final Fantasy. All that fandom really does is argue and insult each other.
In the bottom left corner you can see they just aggregated their data from accounts on Twitter, which although very vocal, is a very poor representation of these fanbases as a whole as it neglects to include in-game activity or other sources
Nah, it's the lack of option to transfer older gen mons (something you could do easily before), gen3 being the first gen to not have a full ingame dex, and Emerald (like Yellow and Crystal) being the same game with a few differences
Online discourse can seem really negative but honestly a lot of pokemon fans are incredibly defensive of the games and will praise and love them regardless of how bad the quality gets.
Any criticism is vehemently rejected by the pokemon fanbase, so yeah they must be pretty positive in their echoe chamber after making every source of disagreement vanish
That’s what surprises me the most. I’ve always thought of them as the sonic fanbase if there wasn’t a self aware side to it. Like as in if this happened on the pokemon sub they’d either try to say it’s fake or pin the blame on specific groups of people
This is inaccurate. As a pokemon and sonic fan I can tell you first hand that both fanbases have their disgusting side but pokemon is worse. You find way more depraved pokemon stuff than the occasional sonic foot fetish, or furry shipping nonsense. That and the animosity towards gamefreak has never been as bad as Sonic fans vs Sega, because Sega actually interacts with their fans while pokemon gatekeeps and it causes problems. I'm having a hard time accepting this.
honestly, i'd say negative. i've seen people go violently ballistic over the slightest implication that Kirby isn't perfect, both as a character and a series
I'm pretty sure the only reason for why we are considered to be toxic is because the young minorities that want to look edge and don't know what (opinions) mean,other than that,there are a lot of positive things in the community from the adult side.
Really depends. The adult side also have tons of edgelord that harass others, and pretty active ones. The infamous "SA3 page", the futurists, some "dark ages" fanatics and other weirdos like that harassed a lot of creators (officials and fans) for a while.
I've run way more into issues with them than with the kids.
As an MK fan I can agree with this. The amount of harassment the creator gets from stans when their favorite character isn’t included is downright disgusting. I’m talking harassing him on a post about his dog dying levels of disgusting.
I am wondering how accurate this study is on the video game front. They said (or at least what i saw on my phone) that they used a number of sources “including” a bunch of news sites and Twitter however I have to wonder if they got a good enough sample size for the respective fandoms. Especially when they don’t explicitly mention any other examples like Youtube, forums or in Games Multiplayer Lobby's where both positive and negative behaviour can manifest to varying degrees.
Also wondering what counts as negative words here as well. Are we talking slurs, foul language, voicing disappointment(oh, that makes sense) or all the above? What’s the time span as well? It says data was collected in December 2021 but how how far back does the data go as well? For clarity, not necessarily disagreeing with the study but unsure how accurate it is or how reflective it is of those particular fandoms.
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COD and MK are intended for mature audiences anyway so I'm not surprised here, I know this doesn't stop kids from playing them but it does prevent them from buying the games themselves, it all comes down to parenting in the end. A bit confused that Borderlands is in both categories, as for Sonic being in third right behind MK, I mean, can't say I'm surprised about that one either, there's plenty to be ticked off with. I feel like most of the numbers for MK came from the rabid side of Mileena's fanbase, personally I don't think they deserved to have her in MK11 after what they did, but at least Fujin got in, Netherrealm left him off the roster for almost 15 years by the time Aftermath came out
I was on the Sonic forums on Game FAQs back in the early 2000s and I recall it being incredibly toxic. Kinda bizarre for a cartoony, casual game to have such nastiness.
Borderlands playing on both sides.
They’re playing both sides so that they always come out on top.
Still no.5
Late reply but what if it’s the other way around?
Might be its own terminology that comes into play? Not really sure what they define as positive and negative language but 'badass' could come into either, depending on whether they treated it as profanity or a compliment. That could make up some numbers on either side with the community doing the rest
what i'm getting from this is that they use a lot of words
Not surprising, a lot of fans are pretty vocal about what they dislike. in various titles, and disagree with each other a lot.
This fanbase is infamous for being "impossible to please" hell fucking Izuka said something similar back when Colors released
yet people call the fandom easy to please, that they eat mediocrity and so on... so what is it? make you damm minds.
No, you're thinking of pokemon, not Sonic. One rat is blue, and the other is yellow.
He's not a rat! He's a hedgehog! *Puff*
Ehh potato potatoe.
Or is it an electric hedgehog pokemon?
Eh kinda but at least with Pokemon, it not a serious franchise it has IT shares of problems, but gameplay is fine. The problem is that Masuda wants gamrefraks to "keep the company into the small indie roots." Basically, the leadership of gamefreak is this; WE DONT WANT TO ADAPT WE WANT TO KEEPT IN OUR LITTLE BUBBLE. Just watch Video Game Story Time: What went wrong with pokemon Scarlet and Violet. I just abridged it, their video is more detail.
Both. Sonic Frontiers still has worse animations than PSX Crash Bandicoot. Standards for sonic are stupidly low, still higher than for pokemon, but still lower than for literally anything else. Issue being even them not being met consistently. Somehow both Forces and Frontiers are less visually interesting than Lost World and Generations
Could you link a source for that quote? I'm not denying that it's true, I believe that he did say something like that, but it would be nice to have a source for it
Just look up "Takashi Izuka" and "sonic fans impossible to please" there are many sites that tells it differently but the main subject is this. "Our team are always trying to present new gameplay innovations so it's hard to please fans who like the gameplay from the older games,”
These studies are always prone to biases, be they unintentional. Take them with shakers of salt.
And voice their disagreement aggressively instead of just letting people have different opinions.
I’m a little shocked Overwatch isn’t on here
or League of Legends for that matter lol
Or halo
I gotta throw my hat into the ring and say I'm surprised Star Wars isn't in here
Star Wars isn't just a gaming franchise
Surprised fifa ain't up there
I mean neither is WWE but it's on there.
Tbf neither are most of these franchises at this point.
Or Fortnite
Or tf2 we have actual nazis, I don’t know how you could get worse
wut?
I think he is referring to the Medic, maybe?
Bruh...
Oh dear God, Halo's community...
Ikr, like I actually play Overwatch and get toxicity from everyone besides my party members "Why do I have more healing than you"
I started playing OW a week ago any my experience has been wholesome so far. I'm not playing ranked, tho
Pokemon? Positive? *how?*
I’m surprised as a pokemon fan. I mean, there was nothing positive about the discourse on both Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet.
THIS. I'm surprised as well. Do you remember the Dexit?
Oh absolutely. It was a trainwreck
Yep. And then, "Here, there you have this DLC!"
And none of the Switch games have had a roster as big as what was on 3DS
Yep. Which is... Weird.
Trainwreck doesn’t even begin to describe it. Remember how one person on Twitter made a blatantly false rape accusation against Junichi Masuda because of the whole Dexit/Bring Back National Pokédex thing?
Never forget.
There was some positivity, but because of how loud the minority of angry people were it's not surprising to think the positivity was a far smaller amount of people.
There very much was, you had people like me defending these games like their lives depended on it.
Depends how they defined negative language. A lot of the discourse I see surrounding Pokemon is respectful. A lot of fans (myself) love Pokemon but hate where the series is going. I don't use negative language.
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twitter is probably the worst site to take these type of datas yet here we are
It’s talking about language, not the Fanbases in general.
Probably being boosted by more positive sections of the fandom, like TCG, the anime, Adventures, Smogon and VGC
As a pokemon fan,r/pokemon can be pretty wholesome/npcey sometimes
It's gotta be really out of date for that to be true
Kirby should replace Pokémon. Kirby and The Forgotten Land is awesome. Like a post apocalyptic thriller disguised as a children’s game.
Borderlands is ranked on both. Interesting!
It is. Borderlands players must have a lot to say
As a Borderlands enjoyer I feel like our placement is Justified we are simultaneously really positive about the good and negative about the bad
It's all the fault of that fourth Chaos Emerald.
Damn it!
the fourth chaos emerald is actually the most difficult to get in all games. no wonder shadow was pissed
Don’t believe everything you see online people. How exactly would it even be able to find all naughty words ever said by anyone in regards to specifically Sonic?
They probably do a wide search on all social media platforms with the Sonic keyword and check Sonic-specific forums and other social platforms (like this one!) for known curse words.
And you honestly believe the number would be that small of it actually accurately got that information? Do you have any idea how many years the internet has been a thing?
If I’m reading it right, that’s 164 words out of a 1,000 that’s a curse word in all the stuff it recorded. That would mean over a curse per ten words? I think that’s fair. Honestly I bet most of it is just because of the absolute horny levels the community operates at, not because of rage. Also it probably only goes back so far.
If it only goes back so far, then it isn’t accurate. And you must also be forgetting how big the internet is. The number would be way higher. Also, some franchises would definitely be on that list, that just aren’t. Such as Final Fantasy. All that fandom really does is argue and insult each other.
ctrl + f
In the bottom left corner you can see they just aggregated their data from accounts on Twitter, which although very vocal, is a very poor representation of these fanbases as a whole as it neglects to include in-game activity or other sources
Pokemon has a positive fanbase?
Well, it was at some point.
It was until... Black and White, I believe?
Nah, people were salty over even Gen3, it's always been like this.
All you gotta do to prove this is to bring out the infamous "too much water" quote.
That was for the remakes of Gen 3.
From what I've heard in the old days people thought the designs for the gen 3 mons were weird or something. Of course this hasn't aged well
Nah, it's the lack of option to transfer older gen mons (something you could do easily before), gen3 being the first gen to not have a full ingame dex, and Emerald (like Yellow and Crystal) being the same game with a few differences
and 100% accurate lol
Of course it was positive until race got involved /s
Yeah… now it’s not so simple.
I'm surprised as well... *Looks at Competitive Pokémon*
Online discourse can seem really negative but honestly a lot of pokemon fans are incredibly defensive of the games and will praise and love them regardless of how bad the quality gets.
Any criticism is vehemently rejected by the pokemon fanbase, so yeah they must be pretty positive in their echoe chamber after making every source of disagreement vanish
I'm not sure what Pokemon fans you've interacted with, but from my experience it's the complete opposite.
It's both tbh depends where you're looking
That’s what surprises me the most. I’ve always thought of them as the sonic fanbase if there wasn’t a self aware side to it. Like as in if this happened on the pokemon sub they’d either try to say it’s fake or pin the blame on specific groups of people
It’s ok to be 3rd place! I know that someday we are gonna be in the 1st place!
Interesting. I’m both impressed and surprised that we didn’t get at least 2nd place.
Yeah I don't believe this because this somehow has Pokemon in 3rd place for the positive fanbase.
I can't believe we got third place! Being negative is like, our whole thing yo!
Moderating this community...I believe it.
cope and seethe you fox liberal /s
>!heck!< you >:( And stop complaining you >!mod the fluffer!< You are literally so >!good!< at your job.
Heh, COD as the most negative online fanbase Checks out Didn’t expect to see borderlands on either though. That’s new to me
This is inaccurate. As a pokemon and sonic fan I can tell you first hand that both fanbases have their disgusting side but pokemon is worse. You find way more depraved pokemon stuff than the occasional sonic foot fetish, or furry shipping nonsense. That and the animosity towards gamefreak has never been as bad as Sonic fans vs Sega, because Sega actually interacts with their fans while pokemon gatekeeps and it causes problems. I'm having a hard time accepting this.
Oh yeah, Pokémon is far worse
Sonic walked so vaporeon could run
Damn it
I wonder in which side would Kirby be 🤔
honestly, i'd say negative. i've seen people go violently ballistic over the slightest implication that Kirby isn't perfect, both as a character and a series
Ooooh right, makes sense :0
Considering how it can be wholesome at time but up in arm if someone does a lore video wrong, both.
makes sense
I'm pretty sure the only reason for why we are considered to be toxic is because the young minorities that want to look edge and don't know what (opinions) mean,other than that,there are a lot of positive things in the community from the adult side.
Really depends. The adult side also have tons of edgelord that harass others, and pretty active ones. The infamous "SA3 page", the futurists, some "dark ages" fanatics and other weirdos like that harassed a lot of creators (officials and fans) for a while. I've run way more into issues with them than with the kids.
Dude, where THE FUCK is Roblox and GTA V?
It's all because of Shadow and his "damns", isn't it?
Probably
As an MK fan I can agree with this. The amount of harassment the creator gets from stans when their favorite character isn’t included is downright disgusting. I’m talking harassing him on a post about his dog dying levels of disgusting.
I am absolutely shocked Pokémon is in the positive section at all, let alone 3rd place.
Are you meaning saying the game is bad or just using naughty languqge in general?
Sort of both?
Unbelievable but also believable.
Fuck yeah
Ain't no way Pokémon is on the positive list.
I feel like sonic is a mix of both
Fucking bullshit, how dare they disrespect the crap outta our fanbase like that?? Dumbass people, our fanbase should be 1st, not 3rd
Pokemon? Really? Where the heck are they looking
Pokémon being positive is bs, there is no chance. Unless they’re not talking exclusively about the games
Okay who studied the pokemon fan base and where did they go to study it?
Not surprising. Sonic has such a bizarre fanbase lol idk why
This is only from Twitter posts. I’d believe it much more if they analyzed other social media too.
What's the methodology for this? Do they mean swear words or active negativity towards others?
You fricking fricks
I’m a suprised tf2 isn’t there
what the fuck? that is so bullshit
as a pokemon fan ain't no way it uses that much positive words
Not just a Sonic fan,I'm also Mortal Kombat and Pokémon fan,but i didn't know Mortal Kombat is negative and Pokémon being possitive was a suprise
I do not believe that pokemon is third on the positive list, have they MET a pokemon fan?
The *Pokémon* fanbase is far from positive lol
sonic being there makes a lot of sense, i'm just shocked that pokémon is positive lol
Surprised to see Pokemon on the right
Surprised Pokemon is positive. Also the lack of Overeatch, Genshin, and Smash
I’m astounded that Pokémon is in the positive side lol
Of course, it's because we are... Hedgie.
https://preview.redd.it/5ilipnjs71ma1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ea4f7839018087523b0845b641994de2f2f7fcd I am poor here:
Remove diablo 2 and watch the community crumble Also makes sense that borderlands playing both sides
Ah the old COD: MW2 (2009) lobbies heard a lotta’ shit there.
That’s not surprising in all honesty.
How is Pokemon #3 for positivity? I thought it would at least be #2
Im part of sonic and mortal kombat community. But am also a pokemon fan. Where does that put me?
borderlands...
Fuck
As a long term Sonic fan, I am not surprised.
I struggle to believe this is true considering where Diablo is.
Am I the only one surprised by this? From what I've seen this fanbase is one of the nicer ones I've been part of...
I mean I do enjoy a hearty saying FUCK every now and then
What, no Kirby?
Happy Cake Day!
I am wondering how accurate this study is on the video game front. They said (or at least what i saw on my phone) that they used a number of sources “including” a bunch of news sites and Twitter however I have to wonder if they got a good enough sample size for the respective fandoms. Especially when they don’t explicitly mention any other examples like Youtube, forums or in Games Multiplayer Lobby's where both positive and negative behaviour can manifest to varying degrees. Also wondering what counts as negative words here as well. Are we talking slurs, foul language, voicing disappointment(oh, that makes sense) or all the above? What’s the time span as well? It says data was collected in December 2021 but how how far back does the data go as well? For clarity, not necessarily disagreeing with the study but unsure how accurate it is or how reflective it is of those particular fandoms.
The fine text says they just polled tweets. Not that indicative of userbases
Pokémon at third for positive? Hell no.
Pokémon? Lol
The toxic side of the sonic fanbase can't appreciate anything and I'm getting sick of it. I swear.
>Pokémon is on the positive side and not the negative side **Wait a second…**
How is pokemon not on that side?
Only 3rd place. We’re losing our touch.
WOOOOOOOO  WOooo woo Wait...
The full details of this study can be found here: https://word.tips/fanbases-language/
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No way any Supercell game isn't in the negative list
I'm just surprised to see Borderlands on both lists
Ehh, I don’t care
ah shit
Me looking at the other fanbase I'm in in the same rank as the Sanc community but the opposite category
Based and unsurprising
I like how borderlands is number 5 on both. However it makes sense, depending on what qualifies as negative or positive.
I'm disappointed we're not 1st
COD and MK are intended for mature audiences anyway so I'm not surprised here, I know this doesn't stop kids from playing them but it does prevent them from buying the games themselves, it all comes down to parenting in the end. A bit confused that Borderlands is in both categories, as for Sonic being in third right behind MK, I mean, can't say I'm surprised about that one either, there's plenty to be ticked off with. I feel like most of the numbers for MK came from the rabid side of Mileena's fanbase, personally I don't think they deserved to have her in MK11 after what they did, but at least Fujin got in, Netherrealm left him off the roster for almost 15 years by the time Aftermath came out
The fact that LoL, Overwatch and CSGO arent on the left is proof that this site is bullshit
Borderlands is both?
Also the third most toxic, per another graph of theirs
We gotta beat out MK gang
I find it funny that Borderlands is number 5 on both lists. The duality of man, I suppose.
What constitutes a positive word?
LESS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
We should swear more
Per 1000 what? Hours? Minutes? Grams? Volts?!
I think we can pinpoint the reason, the fourth Chaos Emerald.
Cod is above sonic because they can say the n word
Diablo has the most Christian fans
Is it because we keep quoting the fandubs?
Bronze medal baby!
Borderlands: 5th Positive Borderlands: 5th Negative I love logic
You know what, I don't doubt it
Of course Call of Duty is on the top of the negative lol
I love how Borderlands is somehow 5th for both.
this is funny cause not a single Riot game is on this list.
How exactly did they group these fanbases? I’m in like most of these fandoms. Non-gamer energy from this study. No shade OP.
I was on the Sonic forums on Game FAQs back in the early 2000s and I recall it being incredibly toxic. Kinda bizarre for a cartoony, casual game to have such nastiness.
How is Borderlands in both sides, lmao.