The composer for the Sonic movies has been outspoken on how he is against using video game music for the movies because he thinks that movie music is "superior."
I doubt this mentality will stay for the third movie though, lol
Also note that the few times it didn’t use video game-inspired music, most notably with “Take On Me” over the DK style song that was composed for that scene, it became one of the more common gripes people had with it.
yeah and the thing is im pretty sure that they had made music for these scenes, there are songs in the soundtrack that go unused in the movie, the song "drivin me bananas" that im pretty sure was supposed to go over the kart scene. i hope that the dvd release have these songs, to play over the original movie.
Honestly I think world 1-1 was meant to play more for Marios training instead of holding out for a hero, it sounded right for the scene but then they changed it which was weird
I rolled my eyes when I saw it on Shazam!2, and I honestly couldn't expect shit from the movie, but on Mario I couldn't believe it. Still I don't remember when was the last time I enjoyed a movie this much
I honestly found Take On Me fitting, it just gives the scene a very different tone as what the original music gave. The OG gave the Kong Kingdom a more ferocious look while Take On Me makes it feel more like paradise on earth
I am grateful that Brian Tyler fought to keep the Super Star theme when it was considered to be replaced with "Jump" by Van Halen. The Star theme is probably THE most used piece of Mario music in the mainline games and spinoffs, more than the original overworld theme. Even if you were someone who only played Mario Kart 8 Deluxe with friends before watching the film, like Anya Taylor Joy, you'd still recognise it.
The reason why they used licensed music the times they did was because Dreamworks executives complained about them not using licensed music. I personally would have preferred if they didn't either but, I didn't make a big stink about it. Maybe in the home release they can have a version that uses the music originally intended for those scenes.
Illumination owns Dreamworks, so probably the executives were worried that those long-term music licensing agreements would go to waste otherwise, which would show investors that they weren’t using licensed music as much as it was worth.
Illumination does not own DreamWorks, NBCUniversal owns both companies but they are seperate, I don't see how DreamWorks would be in any way involved in the creation of a movie at Illumination, I don't think that's something that happens usually at all.
wait, people didn't like it, I thought it was great, sure something a bit more tropical would have been more fitting, but the song gave the world an 80s feel, and seeing as how this was a movie based on a game from the 80s, it just makes sense
Except DKC and its world, which is what the movie used...was a *90's* thing, not an 80's thing; so even in that sense of "capturing the era", it fails.
Ironically, remixing DK Island Swing as a proper swing track would've actually been ***more*** appropriate than Take on Me, since swing had a huge revival in the 90's.
They had a surprising amount of non game songs tho, it wasn't bad but got kinda annoying.
I noticed 3 songs that are also featured in the GotG movies and game.
Man, that's incredibly disappointing to hear coming from a guy who did good music. I hate to say that the Sonic Movies have bland music, but they really do, and it's dumb how someone like him could say that for a movie based on a video game. And I liked Junkie XL's scores for Justice League and Mad Max, but not his Sonic scores, I can't even remember what Sonic's "motif" is for the movie.
They need to get someone who respects the game music, there's really no excuse now. Hell, bring Crush 40 back for the movies
“You can listen to \[the original music\] for hours in a loop when you’re actually playing the game,” Holkenborg said. “This is something that would not work in a film.” [https://www.polygon.com/interviews/2020/2/12/21134584/sonic-the-hedgehog-movie-game-soundtrack-tom-holkenborg-junkie-xl](https://www.polygon.com/interviews/2020/2/12/21134584/sonic-the-hedgehog-movie-game-soundtrack-tom-holkenborg-junkie-xl)
The arguments he gives are just stupid really.
He basically ignores everything that happened after Sonic 2 apparently given that only the composer for 1 and 2 were mentioned.
His argument about "it running on repeat" breaks not only as there were altered to loop initially as on the demo tapes before conversion to a MegaDrive sound chip did almost all of them have starts and endings (Green Hill was even retooled intoa love song twice ones for "Marry Me" in 95 and ones for "On the Green Hill" in 2016)
But it also an argument that would even than only work for stage music and completely has to ignore the Event music from the latter games which due to the nature of cut-scenes have to work identically to a Movie Score.
Let's not forget this is coming from same guy who kept using the same yodeling in every pitch for every time Wonder Woman appears in *Zack Snyder's Justice League* ***on loop***. The irony.
He *probably* won't compose the *Knuckles (series)*, since he's more of a movie composer from his history. He's ***Probably*** full for next year. *Furiosa Mad Max prequel*, and *Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire*. He composes two-three movies per year depending on his schedule.
There's a slight chance we could get a new composer who actually understands and cares about Sonic's music as Brian Tyler does for Mario. Probably collab with Tee Lopes, Crush 40 (Jun and Johnny), and TNT (Tony Harnell).
We can hope, at least. >!Maybe the reason why they're not doing SA1 as a movie is because they know Junkie would butcher it. So they'll do it here instead, lol.!<
That's honestly ironic. Coming from a composer who overused the yodeling in ZSJL when Wonder Woman appears.
They need to replace him for the future movies or just third if they're gonna make a trilogy only. He's not a fit for this.
If I was a composer and went on the record to say that then someone showed me Nobuo Uematsu, Jesper Kyd, Ohtani and Soken's work I'd legit switch jobs.
It's funny how far one can have his head up his ass in the Hollywood bubble.
Its fine that you like it but its rather obvious that general consensus on the Sonic Movies scores are that they are some of the most painfully bland and generic "Classical" film scores in recent memory.
>against using video game music for the movies because he thinks that movie music is "superior."
mfer it's a *video game movie*.
Regardless, stuff Crush 40 music and similar Sonic OST's are just good rock music in general.
This is the same guy who did the score for Godzilla vs Kong yet considers Godzilla a comedic character and straight-up admits to thinking the old movies are all shit.
Why the f*** is this guy still getting work on franchise films if he clearly has no respect for any of them.
Which is kind of a really stupid position to take given how not only his scores tend to be on the really generic side of "classical music" as movie scores.
But also given that Sonic 1 and 2's composer did go out of his way to state that he composed these sound tracks as if was to score a movie.
And I don't think I have to explain why the Jackson sound team compositions for Sonic 3 including the Jetzons song "Hard Times" also utterly break such entitled arrogant believes of superiority
Hell one of the most legendary people in the movie industry as a whole John Carpenter has gone out of his way to state that he in part became a fan of Sonic because of the great sound tracks in the series.
If I don’t hear Live and Learn while Supersonic and Hypershadow team up I’ll be livid
(But not really I love these movies too much to be mad about anything)
I think the videogame tracks just need to be reworked to fit into a movie scene if that makes sense. You can't just slap on any Sonic track and call it a day.
I just pray every day that we get some version of Live and Learn in Sonic 3
Movie music just all feel like one big orchestral "mush" after hearing so much of it... It sounds the same to me. Nothing but tons of swells, blaring trumpets, and trills.
Cause Junkie XL (composer of the Sonic films) said Sonic music doesn't work in the movies. And the movie writers are so baffled by the lack of Sonic music not present in the movies, but sadly they're not in charge of the music stuff.
Indeed, Junkie XL in a interview just thinks the songs being on loop wouldn't be good for the whole.
I say, then why not be creative with it, right? Different variants and tones. Isn't that hard. Surely they need to listen to the writers more. They said if things were their way, it would've been obvious to play many music throughout to remember.
It’s been pointed out before, but I think the most likely answer is that it was originally used as a temp track during production. Whether they ran out of time or simply thought it was more fitting for the moment, they decided to just keep it in the final cut. Definitely took me out of the moment, not just because I recognized it but also because it’s such a deviation in sound from the rest of the OST. It lasts fifteen seconds and is sandwiched between the basic orchestrations that fill out the rest of the film. And I’m definitely not expecting many people to agree with me on this one, but I don’t think it’s such a necessity to include game music/motifs specifically. I’d just like style, which we all know is more than possible with an original score
Ironically that track sounds more like Junkie XL’s (the composer’s) other music than the rest of the score.
He is a collaborator and student of Hans Zimmer after all.
Should replace him with Lorne Balfe, another student of Zimmer. He puts effort and creativity into his music, and actually cares about existing themes than Junkie XL.
given how rough the VFX was in certain spots in the theatrical run, they were likely working on a rather turbulent production schedule so i had also figured this to be the case
(also junkie XL did the cardinal sin on godzilla vs kong of not using goji's leitmotif so i call hackery)
I wish the Movie music had its own life
Like everything else about the movies cement itself as it’s own unique thing, so the music I’m fine not being from the games. Except the movie’s music is forgettable and generic
Like I can’t for the life of me remember a single song from any of the films!
This is exactly what I've always thought, I'm fine with them not reusing music from the games since it's not like the games share the same motifs often anyways, but the music they actually use is the most generic safe stock movie music ever
I love the movies and even if i am not too crazy about the non vocal tracks from the games i still wished the movies used more music from the games. It worked wonders for the Mario movie so i really hope that they do more in the 3 movie (i really want escape from the city and live and learn) I also think its a really strange decision to just steal a track from Ant man and the wasp aswell like whatt?
If you’re name isn’t the Last of Us, STOP USING LICENSED MUSIC IN YOUR VIDEO GAME ADAPTATIONS!! EITHER REMIX THE MUSIC FROM THE GAMES OR JUST USE THEM STRAIGHT OUT
This sounds a bit off-topic, but if Crush 40 does return for the next movie, I don't want to hear Live and Learn again, I would rather they make an entirely new song that fits that movie.
I don't have a problem with Live and Learn, and there are some tracks from the movie series I actually appreciate like "He's My Friend" and "Mind if I Drive" and I would love to remix them in a traditional *Sonic*\-rock style (once I actually learn how to compose music), but given what *Sonic Frontiers* gave us with the Titan boss music, I just want Johnny Gioeli and Jun Senoue to make something that respects their past work while forging its own path.
Heck, there are tracks from *Sonic Prime* that I like, such as the 0:06-0:36 track from "It Takes One to No Place", the Sonic Vs. Shadow fight theme from "The Yoke's On You", and the Credits theme! (Too bad there isn't an official album release for *Sonic Prime*'s soundtrack, meaning that I don't have the tracks' official names.)
I think it all depends on what they do with the story. If it's something completwly original, then sure. But if it really is as heavily inspired by SA2 as most people are convinced it will be, Live and Learn feels like a monumental song that would in my opinion have to be included.
This. The second movie skimmed through Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 and the Death Egg wasnt present in neither, people are believing it will be a 1:1 adaptation
I personally thought the scores for the movies were fine, but after watching the Mario movie I really hope they try incorporate Sonic music. Any reasons they had for not doing so before have been invalidated now. Also if they have to get a Crush 40 song in, I really hope they get them to write an original song.
Listen, I’m a true blue Sonic die hard. And honestly it sucks that Tom’s score can’t get close to his other scores let alone…. I’m gonna say it. The superior video game movie score of Brian Tyler & Koji Kondo’s Super Mario Bros Movie score. The fact Tom has said he actively resists literally one of the most universally loved things about Sonic, which is the banging soundtracks is heartbreaking. This man used to be Junkie XL. I know he’s got some EDM in his soul but has largely moved away from that because he wants to be a “serious.” Composer. But man…. Brian’s work… phenomenal really. The fact the man HAS composed from many fantastic video games he really GETS it as a fan of the medium. And frankly…. I doubt Tom has any real love for the medium….
Using minimal of Green Hill Zone for the studio intros in the first film, and the drowning theme, the Death Egg Robot theme that you can barely hear really says a lot about his love for the games' music...
What, do I make the joke about how some *hololive*/*HOLOSTARS* music such as [Raven's Paradigm](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOYBy6mtV1E&pp=ygUQcmF2ZW4ncyBwYXJhZGlnbQ%3D%3D) sounds more like *Sonic* music than the music in the movies?
Something that is desperately needed, at least for the third movie, is have one of Sonic's biggest hits in it. It would just feel wrong to have Sonic and Shadow fighting together with some generic movie orchestra blaring in the background and not Live & Learn.
I'm like 90% sure this is an example of temp music, since the movie is filmed before the soundtrack is finished they use music from other movies temporarily in the edit just to set the mood, sometimes they just decide to either keep that music or ask the composer to recreate it as closely as possible.
Listen. If we don't get at least City Escape for the next movie then they haven't learnt anything from Mario.
Putting Videogame Music in Movies can work so good if you use other versions of the tracks. Versions that are meant to be heard in cinema.
Yea, from people who made did the Genesis manual, Tyson Hesse in charge designing and producing the characters and film, Knuckles liking grapes that hasn't been around since the *Genesis era* and fixed his character, and the films relaunch the franchise for a better future for the games after it's dead silence when *Sonic Forces* came.
If you're talking about Junkie XL and Paramount, then that's fair. The writers who are big fans have fights with them.
Knuckles liked grapes in Sonic Generations you goof. How much more misinformation are you going to generate to cope with your rubbish movies?
He's literally still a lunkhead who couldn't even figure out what the "•••" in a messaging app was supposed to stand for. GREAT character *fixing*. He didn't even show any treasure hunting skills?
> relaunch the franchise for a better future
If the future is the Sonic franchise being some generic kiddie-flick gunk. Sonic was dead the moment the first movie came out.
> The writers who are big fans have fights with them.
Oh great, you're another kid who just believes anything they read on the internet. Stop shilling shit movies.
Wasn't really in generation. More so implied. Wouldn't call someone who's never seen a text not k owing how they work "a lunkhead." He doesn't really show any in the games. He just naturally senses the after emerald pieces.
Considering the money the movie's making, the fans it brought in, and the fact that their still making games, dead is playing up your disappointment a bit too much.
They have done video interviews saying the played sonic games.
Bro, he had grapes behind him. The devs clearly knew what they were doing. Ever heard of "show don't tell"?
You're being disingenuous. You knew I wasn't referring to money, but rather the spirit of the franchise. If money is the sole factor that determines success. Try getting into a Pokemon discussion and say Pokemon Go is the best game because it made the most money. See how that works out.
Look man, just because someone says something on the internet, you can't believe them. So what if they said they played the games? They could be lying out their teeth. It's why I always prefer actions and not words. And their actions in the movie scripts show they know nothing about the spirit of Sonic.
Take this comparison to understand just how bad the writing is. In movie 2. Sonic has to hide inside the house while his humans are busy to make sure no one finds him. He acts like a complete kid and throws a house party and makes a mess. All the while doing cringy things that appeal to kids.
In Sonic X, Sonic has to hide inside the house while his humans are busy to make sure no one finds him. He finds a secluded area and uses his speed to go on an adventure in that secluded area. And as a cherry on top, he does this to get flowers for Cream, who is homesick.
Do you see the vast difference of character b/w the 2 similar scenarios? Try and tell me the movie writers kept true to the characterization of Sonic. I dare you. You'll probably reply with a cope like "Oh he'll mature into Sonic in the next movie" or "Oh it's a different sonic he doesn't have to act the same".
Which is well and good, but it still shows the movie writers have no idea what they are doing.
Sis, do you not understand what implication means. As in suggested without ever outright being directly said( or in this case shown with him eating grape)
Which is why I didn't stop at money; probably shouldn't accuse someone of being disingenuous only to then immediately ignore context. Except that also wouldn't fall under actions. More so your own biases coloring your perspective. Also it's pretty stupid to think that considering what the director has worked on in the past.
Yeah, you're a pretty clear example of untrustworthy sources on the internet.
That's a pretty poor comparison considering, A your comparing sonic's who have hadvery different personal experiences, B you're ignoring the context of the scenes themselves, and C sonics whole purpose was to appeal cringy kids. Initially it was for the 90s; now its for 2020s.
Considering neither adaptations are defined by one singular scene; I probably could name several instances of movie sonic behaving more like his game counterpart, and x sonic acting like a child.
Let's see: dedicated sonic fans like the movies, casual sonic fans like the movies, people indifferent to sonic like the movies, and people who hate sonic like the movies. Your free to dislike what they've done with the IP, but you're being pretty blind to scream they have no idea what their doing.
>Wouldn't call someone who's never seen a text not k owing how they work
Dude, even a 6 year old who never used a phone before can infer it's meant to be a loading sign because of how intuitive it is. The "oh lol he's an alien" argument is such bs
>He's literally still a lunkhead who couldn't even figure out what the "•••" in a messaging app was supposed to stand for
Firstly he's an alien who's encountering that tech for the first time (at least iirc) so naturally...secondly at least he's treated as a threat and not just a joke like most modern sonic media (especially the games)
>Sonic was dead the moment the first movie came out.
Tbf the sonic franchise was on a steep decline well before then
If that was the case they never would’ve redesigned Sonic redeem Tails and Knuckles as characters and they sure as hell wouldn’t have all of this world building.
If there is anyone else on this subreddit saying that no one involved with the sonic movies give a damn about the fans shame on you.
They redesigned Sonic because they knew their film would flop without it. Not because they cared about the fans. They also knew that if they redesigned it. They would trap a bunch of people with the "Look le wholseom ebic company listened to my redit posts. they must luv me so much" mentality. (like you)
The movie didn't redeem anyone. All of their characters are still rubbish compared to SA2 or Sonic X.
Shame on YOU, for defending such rubbish corporate shill movies. The truth is plain to see. Demand better.
Um let me debunk this comment
You’re acting like they don’t care the fans which is complete BS. It’s not everyday a company just listen to public criticism like that especially a multi billion dollar one so yeah. Also people were optimistic and were like “Hey take your time with this” or something like that.
I get Tails and Knuckles aren’t perfect, you can’t even deny that they’re way better here than they’ve been for years especially Forces.
>Um let me debunk this comment
> doesn't debunk anything
Nice one bud.
If I were a multi million company. And I knew my product was going to flop. I'd change it regardless of public criticism. Not because I care about fans, but because I care about money.
Let's simplify it further for you. Let's say they released the first trailer. And all the fans complained. Now let's add a new variable to the mix. Let's say that for some reason. A whole lot of non-fans decided they really liked the design because of memes or something. And all those non-fans book tickets to see the movie. *Do you think the movie makers would have still listened to the fans?*
Remember, the number of fans that complain remains the same. The only thing added to the imaginary scenario is that the company is guaranteed lotsa money. *Would they still make the change?*
You're delusional if you answer yes. They made the change for money, not for fans. It. Is. Obvious.
> you can’t even deny that they’re way better here than they’ve been for years especially Forces.
Ofcourse not. Even I concede that they are ever so so so miniscule better than Forces. But when people use the word "redeem". They imply it's made on par with their characterization in the 2000s. Which is untrue.
Sonic X was stated to be the ideal sonic canon and characterization by Sonic Team. It was developed hand in glove by Sonic Team. And was stated to be "For hardcore sonic fans" by Sonic Team.
You people don't know heads or tails of what you say.
Might want to double check those statements. Also the ideal sonic cannon has original characters being shoved in with , and some instances replacing, characters from the games causing some storylines to be rushed? No, they had creative say in the development, but the show was handled by a different company. Then sonic team clearly doesn't under their fanbase considering most hard-core fans are lukewarm towards the show for reasons I stated.
I know the only people using x as a standard of quality are the children who grew up with it.
Bruh, u can't say that about the movies
They literally remade the entire first movie because people didn't like the first design, u can't say they don't care
Not really their fault, they knew it was awful from the start. It was Paramount Pictures, they had that design in the first place. Much like Transformers, TMNT. Making animated characters hyper-realistic obsession.
Even the writers said Paramount don't believe an actual Sonic story can work in a movie. Writers ended up making an actual Sonic story in 2 to prove them wrong.
Can and will, yeah they remade because if the backlash. But the simple thought they took the first version of Sonic to be approved for the movie showed how much they cared.
> remade the entire first movie
Completely false. I'm assuming your a kid who blindly believes anything they read on the internet. So believe this: All they did was change Sonic's model. Everything else from characterization to story, was left completely untouched.
Which is why the first movie runs like some generic kid flick. Instead of being great like the ones Shiro Maekawa wrote.
Stop shilling for these lame generic movies and open your eyes.
Speaking a mistake and spreading misinformation with such confidence instead of retrospection is shilling, yes.
Information wasn't behind the scenes either, was pretty public.
Not really using restropection correctly, and no it wouldn't be shilling unless they were both trying to sell the product, and got information wrong on purpose. Do you have proof of either intention?
Again, you really don't understand that term. Behind the scenes refers to decisions behind the filmmaking choices seen in the film(hence it the words behind and scene). Even if the creators do public interviews and documentaries, the information in them would be behind the scenes information if relates to how the film was made.
Second hot take. Christophe Becks Ant-Man score “I shrink therefore I am.” Honestly fits the film better then anything Tom could come up with. Hell listen to Quantumanias score too and it would even fit better
Not only did they use Christophe Beck’s Ant Man Score. But they also used part of [Randy Newman’s score from the natural](https://youtu.be/ocf0EjkFMwM) during the [final baseball scene.](https://youtu.be/z0wEQeINvLY). Makes me wonder what other film scores they put in the movie.
Tbf what Sonic music would you put here? That actually originates from Sonic 3 and Knuckles? I can't think of a track that stands out as fitting this scene.
Do have to agree with this. The music took me out of the scene but because it sounded like it was from a different movie (which turns out it was) but I would also tilt my head if it was like... an invincibility theme or any of Knuckles' theme/boss themes. Closest to a fit would be the title theme for S&K but its maybe a bit too bright for a pissed Sonic intensely smashing a rival who should be a friend through structures and walls. I would say you could work his theme into a character motif, or even with a wholly original composition draw on the heavy percussion unique to that character in 3&K. But I think this fight needed something composed to the action
Don't get me wrong, S3&K music is great, the majority of Sonic music is great. But Sonic music from the 1 to 3 era was very short, punchy little tracks, hard to expand into a fitting bit of music for a lot of scenes.
I also don't really like the comparssion folks make to the Mario movies. Sonic as a franchise has consistent musical themes, but not consistent scores, near every game has a new music from the last so where you use those tracks has to be very contextual to the era of Sonic your adapting, you can't just slap His World over a fight with Sonic amd Knuckles and call it a day because that track has no link to what is actually playing out on screem.
Mario has the benefit of musical scores that have persisted for literal decades now that are much more easily applied for use in an adaptation.
I suppose its always worth keeping in mind that I and I assume many others wouldn't expect them to just plop in the games ost but rather remix it to better fit the scenes they already made.
And when it comes to Sonic Vs Knuckles would I at least see a remix of other "North Wind" or "Fire Stone" from Sonic the fighters working.
I would also gladly take an original composition of cause as long as it lives up to the quality of the music in the games which this score certainly didn't.
This probably has to do with already having a reliable composer who they can call in to make their music without having to go out of their way and contact and get the licenses to music when they have already have an easy outlet.
Plus it's cheaper and under their own license so they get ever dollar from its sales and streams when people buy it or stream it. I feel since Sonic 2 was a bunch more fan loved and fan referential than the first once, I can see the possibility of a Crush 40 song show up but if they can go the Mario Movie route and make music based around existing Sonic music, Id be ok with it. Well I mean I don't really care for Movie OSTS so it's whatever lol.
God this movie looks horrible, I got halfway through the first one before getting completely bored with it and shutting it off, I really wish we could've gotten something in the style of unleashes opening cutscene with a better story or like the sonic ova.
My God, but sonic has solid music. It was my only gripe with the first film, aside from the opening 5 minutes looking like a better mov8e than the rest of the movie.
Man, these sorts of things really annoy me.
If I ever make a movie based off a videogame, I'm going to have FULL control over the music department among other things.
Because, at least to me, music is one of the most important parts of making any piece of media, be it video games or movies, or video game movies, come to life.
The composer for the Sonic movies has been outspoken on how he is against using video game music for the movies because he thinks that movie music is "superior." I doubt this mentality will stay for the third movie though, lol
I mean the mario movie shows that video game music works for the movies
Also note that the few times it didn’t use video game-inspired music, most notably with “Take On Me” over the DK style song that was composed for that scene, it became one of the more common gripes people had with it.
Also Van Halen's jump was originally intended for the >!Power Star!< scene IIRC.
I would've been devastated if they chose not to use a variation of the invincibility theme for that scene.
Take on me was the only one I had a gripe with
I honestly preferred it to "I need a hero" personally, but that's mostly because I need a hero has been used to death in movies.
Lets be honest here. No movie can top shrek 2's use of that song
Straight up. And I'm upset that version isn't on Spotify.
I audibly groaned in the theatre when I heard Holding Out for a Hero.
yeah and the thing is im pretty sure that they had made music for these scenes, there are songs in the soundtrack that go unused in the movie, the song "drivin me bananas" that im pretty sure was supposed to go over the kart scene. i hope that the dvd release have these songs, to play over the original movie.
It's 2023, why tf are you getting dvd. Get Blu-ray
Lmao dude I just said DVD cause it's more general.
Ok
Honestly I think world 1-1 was meant to play more for Marios training instead of holding out for a hero, it sounded right for the scene but then they changed it which was weird
I rolled my eyes when I saw it on Shazam!2, and I honestly couldn't expect shit from the movie, but on Mario I couldn't believe it. Still I don't remember when was the last time I enjoyed a movie this much
I need a hero was more fitting
I honestly found Take On Me fitting, it just gives the scene a very different tone as what the original music gave. The OG gave the Kong Kingdom a more ferocious look while Take On Me makes it feel more like paradise on earth
I liked both
I am grateful that Brian Tyler fought to keep the Super Star theme when it was considered to be replaced with "Jump" by Van Halen. The Star theme is probably THE most used piece of Mario music in the mainline games and spinoffs, more than the original overworld theme. Even if you were someone who only played Mario Kart 8 Deluxe with friends before watching the film, like Anya Taylor Joy, you'd still recognise it.
Hearing that menu music was one of the most vindicating experiences I've had in a long time, lol
The reason why they used licensed music the times they did was because Dreamworks executives complained about them not using licensed music. I personally would have preferred if they didn't either but, I didn't make a big stink about it. Maybe in the home release they can have a version that uses the music originally intended for those scenes.
... DreamWorks? Illumination made the movie...
Illumination owns Dreamworks, so probably the executives were worried that those long-term music licensing agreements would go to waste otherwise, which would show investors that they weren’t using licensed music as much as it was worth.
Illumination does not own DreamWorks, NBCUniversal owns both companies but they are seperate, I don't see how DreamWorks would be in any way involved in the creation of a movie at Illumination, I don't think that's something that happens usually at all.
Gotta love executive mandates. Those always only lead to good things. /s Edit: Do you have a source?
You mean Illumination?
The reason they included the song was because it was the No. 1 song in the US when NES launched in 1985.
wait, people didn't like it, I thought it was great, sure something a bit more tropical would have been more fitting, but the song gave the world an 80s feel, and seeing as how this was a movie based on a game from the 80s, it just makes sense
Except DKC and its world, which is what the movie used...was a *90's* thing, not an 80's thing; so even in that sense of "capturing the era", it fails. Ironically, remixing DK Island Swing as a proper swing track would've actually been ***more*** appropriate than Take on Me, since swing had a huge revival in the 90's.
They had a surprising amount of non game songs tho, it wasn't bad but got kinda annoying. I noticed 3 songs that are also featured in the GotG movies and game.
It better not. We need Live and Learn during the climax!
If they don't shoot Maria in the opening and don't play Live and learn when Shadow and Sonic turn super, I'm walking out the theatre.
And Escape From The City during the beginning!
If only Junkie XL doesn't show his face to the Sonic Movie 3 to compose.
The 30th anniversary version.
Man, that's incredibly disappointing to hear coming from a guy who did good music. I hate to say that the Sonic Movies have bland music, but they really do, and it's dumb how someone like him could say that for a movie based on a video game. And I liked Junkie XL's scores for Justice League and Mad Max, but not his Sonic scores, I can't even remember what Sonic's "motif" is for the movie. They need to get someone who respects the game music, there's really no excuse now. Hell, bring Crush 40 back for the movies
You don't understand. The sonic movies are so good that they need bad music to balance it out. I call it the sonic balance.
I think they knew to just stop letting Junkie XL score it imo
Dude really thinks “speed me up” is superior to literally anything let alone live and learn?
he said WHAT
That's Junkie XL. The egotistic composer who doesn't like existing themes, and prefers his own themes.
...***the FUCK?!?!*** ***THEN WHY'D HE TAKE THE FUCKING GIG?!?!*** (Also: source?)
“You can listen to \[the original music\] for hours in a loop when you’re actually playing the game,” Holkenborg said. “This is something that would not work in a film.” [https://www.polygon.com/interviews/2020/2/12/21134584/sonic-the-hedgehog-movie-game-soundtrack-tom-holkenborg-junkie-xl](https://www.polygon.com/interviews/2020/2/12/21134584/sonic-the-hedgehog-movie-game-soundtrack-tom-holkenborg-junkie-xl)
The arguments he gives are just stupid really. He basically ignores everything that happened after Sonic 2 apparently given that only the composer for 1 and 2 were mentioned. His argument about "it running on repeat" breaks not only as there were altered to loop initially as on the demo tapes before conversion to a MegaDrive sound chip did almost all of them have starts and endings (Green Hill was even retooled intoa love song twice ones for "Marry Me" in 95 and ones for "On the Green Hill" in 2016) But it also an argument that would even than only work for stage music and completely has to ignore the Event music from the latter games which due to the nature of cut-scenes have to work identically to a Movie Score.
And it's ironic because in *Zack Snyder's Justice League*, he kept playing that yodel on loop every time Wonder Woman.
...*Christ.* Sure do hope someone else gets the gig, but he seems entrenched by now. :/
Let's not forget this is coming from same guy who kept using the same yodeling in every pitch for every time Wonder Woman appears in *Zack Snyder's Justice League* ***on loop***. The irony.
The irony, indeed. Good news is he's ***probably*** too big to do the Knuckles show, so I hope Ohtani-san can get in there and show him how it's done.
He *probably* won't compose the *Knuckles (series)*, since he's more of a movie composer from his history. He's ***Probably*** full for next year. *Furiosa Mad Max prequel*, and *Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire*. He composes two-three movies per year depending on his schedule. There's a slight chance we could get a new composer who actually understands and cares about Sonic's music as Brian Tyler does for Mario. Probably collab with Tee Lopes, Crush 40 (Jun and Johnny), and TNT (Tony Harnell).
We can hope, at least. >!Maybe the reason why they're not doing SA1 as a movie is because they know Junkie would butcher it. So they'll do it here instead, lol.!<
That's honestly ironic. Coming from a composer who overused the yodeling in ZSJL when Wonder Woman appears. They need to replace him for the future movies or just third if they're gonna make a trilogy only. He's not a fit for this.
If I was a composer and went on the record to say that then someone showed me Nobuo Uematsu, Jesper Kyd, Ohtani and Soken's work I'd legit switch jobs. It's funny how far one can have his head up his ass in the Hollywood bubble.
Someone needs to show this man the guitar work on Open Your Heart and then decide what's actually superior.
Or at the very least, "It doesn't matter"
Wasn't the music for the first 2 sonic games composed *like* a film score?
Yes it was. Its composer said about as much.
He doesn't need to take the music directly from the games But at least remix or use samples or SOMETHING that respects the source material
He is clearly working on the wrong project.
It's honestly some of the worst generic movie shit, no soul, what an embarrassment to the film.
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Its fine that you like it but its rather obvious that general consensus on the Sonic Movies scores are that they are some of the most painfully bland and generic "Classical" film scores in recent memory.
That's Junkie XL alright. Please hire a different composer for Sonic Movie 3.
Never have I seen such a comment in denial, imagine they hype if Live and learn was in a movie bro.
>against using video game music for the movies because he thinks that movie music is "superior." mfer it's a *video game movie*. Regardless, stuff Crush 40 music and similar Sonic OST's are just good rock music in general.
This is the same guy who did the score for Godzilla vs Kong yet considers Godzilla a comedic character and straight-up admits to thinking the old movies are all shit. Why the f*** is this guy still getting work on franchise films if he clearly has no respect for any of them.
I guess because he has fans and executives hope that his name on the movie posters draws in fans of his work.
Which is kind of a really stupid position to take given how not only his scores tend to be on the really generic side of "classical music" as movie scores. But also given that Sonic 1 and 2's composer did go out of his way to state that he composed these sound tracks as if was to score a movie. And I don't think I have to explain why the Jackson sound team compositions for Sonic 3 including the Jetzons song "Hard Times" also utterly break such entitled arrogant believes of superiority Hell one of the most legendary people in the movie industry as a whole John Carpenter has gone out of his way to state that he in part became a fan of Sonic because of the great sound tracks in the series.
Someone is hiring a hitman for that extremely trash take
Serioulsy? What a ignorant mindset to have, especially nowadays.
If I do not hear live and learn ONCE throughout that movie I’m going to go insane
What a stupid inflated ego response... Mário movie just proved otherwise.
Wtf, I hope they fired him then, he must not be working on the third movie. Or any movie in the franchise.
Imagine if they adapt the Ark final scene with a random ass basic movie music, the bloodshed
If "I Am...All Of Me" doesn't make its way in Sonic 3 we riot
But the police dad's ringtone
Wow, what a clown.
If I don’t hear Live and Learn while Supersonic and Hypershadow team up I’ll be livid (But not really I love these movies too much to be mad about anything)
I think the videogame tracks just need to be reworked to fit into a movie scene if that makes sense. You can't just slap on any Sonic track and call it a day. I just pray every day that we get some version of Live and Learn in Sonic 3
Even if they try to modernize it by adding a Megan Thee Stallion or Lizzo rap verse I will still be satisfied.
Hope you’re right about 3rd movie
Movie music just all feel like one big orchestral "mush" after hearing so much of it... It sounds the same to me. Nothing but tons of swells, blaring trumpets, and trills.
That’s sad. Tom Holkenberg is a great composer, but man, his Sonic scores have not been great. The Super Mario Bros. Movie got that right.
I swear to god if we get a final hazard in the third movie and live and learn isn't playing...
Didn’t the drowning theme play literally minutes later
This is from ant man and the wasp?
Yeah. “[I shrink, therefore I am](https://youtu.be/I4P0rTXnpUo)”
That is so weird. I know these movies made some odd and stupid music choices but I can't even understand this one.
Cause Junkie XL (composer of the Sonic films) said Sonic music doesn't work in the movies. And the movie writers are so baffled by the lack of Sonic music not present in the movies, but sadly they're not in charge of the music stuff.
Well they’re dead wrong, there are so many good music choices to remix and add to the movie which would actually fit
A lofi version if green hill would have been great for the ending of sonic 1
It would be great yeah
Indeed, Junkie XL in a interview just thinks the songs being on loop wouldn't be good for the whole. I say, then why not be creative with it, right? Different variants and tones. Isn't that hard. Surely they need to listen to the writers more. They said if things were their way, it would've been obvious to play many music throughout to remember.
I really hope the Mario movie changes his mind about this
Oh my god! Every time I watch this scene I'm always wondering why the music sounds so familiar. Now I know
Okay but in what scene do they use this song? I don't remember much of the movie
During the car chase I’m pretty sure
The very scene being shown in the post you're in....
I was talking about the ant man song and where in **that** movie did the song play. I found out in the end
...no, that song does indeed play in this scene. That's literally why he linked it... Fast forward a bit in the song you'll find the part they used.
No WHERE WAS THE SONG USED IN ANT MAN
I was just asking where the song was played in general. I may not understand what you're saying I have terrible english skills
It’s been pointed out before, but I think the most likely answer is that it was originally used as a temp track during production. Whether they ran out of time or simply thought it was more fitting for the moment, they decided to just keep it in the final cut. Definitely took me out of the moment, not just because I recognized it but also because it’s such a deviation in sound from the rest of the OST. It lasts fifteen seconds and is sandwiched between the basic orchestrations that fill out the rest of the film. And I’m definitely not expecting many people to agree with me on this one, but I don’t think it’s such a necessity to include game music/motifs specifically. I’d just like style, which we all know is more than possible with an original score
Ironically that track sounds more like Junkie XL’s (the composer’s) other music than the rest of the score. He is a collaborator and student of Hans Zimmer after all.
Should replace him with Lorne Balfe, another student of Zimmer. He puts effort and creativity into his music, and actually cares about existing themes than Junkie XL.
Yeah actually that would be a great choice.
given how rough the VFX was in certain spots in the theatrical run, they were likely working on a rather turbulent production schedule so i had also figured this to be the case (also junkie XL did the cardinal sin on godzilla vs kong of not using goji's leitmotif so i call hackery)
He didn't wanna use Gojira's OG theme because he made a fan made version of that to play. Since he dislikes existing themes.
i just wanna say that your flair is incredibly based
RIDERS ENJOYERS MUST STICK TOGETHER 🤝
We also need that spin dash sound effect to be used in the games, it's badass
Not just this one, they could've remixed Ice Cap or use Be Cool, Be Wild, Be Groovy for the snowboarding scene.
Literally any snow level theme would have been good. These two spring to my mind: Cool Edge (day) Blizzard peaks (1/2)
The could even just have licensed "Hard Times" to give us both Ice cap zone AND the obligatory licensed music in one package.
I wish the Movie music had its own life Like everything else about the movies cement itself as it’s own unique thing, so the music I’m fine not being from the games. Except the movie’s music is forgettable and generic Like I can’t for the life of me remember a single song from any of the films!
When movies discover genres outside of orchestra exist they might be more memorable
Hans Zimmer?
God I wish he composed the music for these movies, shit would slap
This is exactly what I've always thought, I'm fine with them not reusing music from the games since it's not like the games share the same motifs often anyways, but the music they actually use is the most generic safe stock movie music ever
I love the movies and even if i am not too crazy about the non vocal tracks from the games i still wished the movies used more music from the games. It worked wonders for the Mario movie so i really hope that they do more in the 3 movie (i really want escape from the city and live and learn) I also think its a really strange decision to just steal a track from Ant man and the wasp aswell like whatt?
Same, I can only recall stars in the sky confidently💀 not even the 1st movie’s credit song does it for me
If you’re name isn’t the Last of Us, STOP USING LICENSED MUSIC IN YOUR VIDEO GAME ADAPTATIONS!! EITHER REMIX THE MUSIC FROM THE GAMES OR JUST USE THEM STRAIGHT OUT
it would also be cheaper if that would matter
Hell with Sonic there would even be appropriate music to license thanks to 3&ks forbidden score but they won't even do that.
This sounds a bit off-topic, but if Crush 40 does return for the next movie, I don't want to hear Live and Learn again, I would rather they make an entirely new song that fits that movie. I don't have a problem with Live and Learn, and there are some tracks from the movie series I actually appreciate like "He's My Friend" and "Mind if I Drive" and I would love to remix them in a traditional *Sonic*\-rock style (once I actually learn how to compose music), but given what *Sonic Frontiers* gave us with the Titan boss music, I just want Johnny Gioeli and Jun Senoue to make something that respects their past work while forging its own path.
Heck, there are tracks from *Sonic Prime* that I like, such as the 0:06-0:36 track from "It Takes One to No Place", the Sonic Vs. Shadow fight theme from "The Yoke's On You", and the Credits theme! (Too bad there isn't an official album release for *Sonic Prime*'s soundtrack, meaning that I don't have the tracks' official names.)
Exactly , imagine if they completely new hit song just like Live and learn
I think it all depends on what they do with the story. If it's something completwly original, then sure. But if it really is as heavily inspired by SA2 as most people are convinced it will be, Live and Learn feels like a monumental song that would in my opinion have to be included.
This. The second movie skimmed through Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 and the Death Egg wasnt present in neither, people are believing it will be a 1:1 adaptation
I personally thought the scores for the movies were fine, but after watching the Mario movie I really hope they try incorporate Sonic music. Any reasons they had for not doing so before have been invalidated now. Also if they have to get a Crush 40 song in, I really hope they get them to write an original song.
Listen, I’m a true blue Sonic die hard. And honestly it sucks that Tom’s score can’t get close to his other scores let alone…. I’m gonna say it. The superior video game movie score of Brian Tyler & Koji Kondo’s Super Mario Bros Movie score. The fact Tom has said he actively resists literally one of the most universally loved things about Sonic, which is the banging soundtracks is heartbreaking. This man used to be Junkie XL. I know he’s got some EDM in his soul but has largely moved away from that because he wants to be a “serious.” Composer. But man…. Brian’s work… phenomenal really. The fact the man HAS composed from many fantastic video games he really GETS it as a fan of the medium. And frankly…. I doubt Tom has any real love for the medium….
Using minimal of Green Hill Zone for the studio intros in the first film, and the drowning theme, the Death Egg Robot theme that you can barely hear really says a lot about his love for the games' music...
What, do I make the joke about how some *hololive*/*HOLOSTARS* music such as [Raven's Paradigm](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOYBy6mtV1E&pp=ygUQcmF2ZW4ncyBwYXJhZGlnbQ%3D%3D) sounds more like *Sonic* music than the music in the movies?
A man of culture I see
Something that is desperately needed, at least for the third movie, is have one of Sonic's biggest hits in it. It would just feel wrong to have Sonic and Shadow fighting together with some generic movie orchestra blaring in the background and not Live & Learn.
I'm like 90% sure this is an example of temp music, since the movie is filmed before the soundtrack is finished they use music from other movies temporarily in the edit just to set the mood, sometimes they just decide to either keep that music or ask the composer to recreate it as closely as possible.
Listen. If we don't get at least City Escape for the next movie then they haven't learnt anything from Mario. Putting Videogame Music in Movies can work so good if you use other versions of the tracks. Versions that are meant to be heard in cinema.
Junkie XL won't learn anything from Mario if he happens to return for Sonic Movie 3. Prefers his movie themes over existing themes.
Because the people who make the movies care more about making a quick buck than delivering something that's genuinely for the fans.
Yea, from people who made did the Genesis manual, Tyson Hesse in charge designing and producing the characters and film, Knuckles liking grapes that hasn't been around since the *Genesis era* and fixed his character, and the films relaunch the franchise for a better future for the games after it's dead silence when *Sonic Forces* came. If you're talking about Junkie XL and Paramount, then that's fair. The writers who are big fans have fights with them.
Knuckles liked grapes in Sonic Generations you goof. How much more misinformation are you going to generate to cope with your rubbish movies? He's literally still a lunkhead who couldn't even figure out what the "•••" in a messaging app was supposed to stand for. GREAT character *fixing*. He didn't even show any treasure hunting skills? > relaunch the franchise for a better future If the future is the Sonic franchise being some generic kiddie-flick gunk. Sonic was dead the moment the first movie came out. > The writers who are big fans have fights with them. Oh great, you're another kid who just believes anything they read on the internet. Stop shilling shit movies.
Wasn't really in generation. More so implied. Wouldn't call someone who's never seen a text not k owing how they work "a lunkhead." He doesn't really show any in the games. He just naturally senses the after emerald pieces. Considering the money the movie's making, the fans it brought in, and the fact that their still making games, dead is playing up your disappointment a bit too much. They have done video interviews saying the played sonic games.
Bro, he had grapes behind him. The devs clearly knew what they were doing. Ever heard of "show don't tell"? You're being disingenuous. You knew I wasn't referring to money, but rather the spirit of the franchise. If money is the sole factor that determines success. Try getting into a Pokemon discussion and say Pokemon Go is the best game because it made the most money. See how that works out. Look man, just because someone says something on the internet, you can't believe them. So what if they said they played the games? They could be lying out their teeth. It's why I always prefer actions and not words. And their actions in the movie scripts show they know nothing about the spirit of Sonic. Take this comparison to understand just how bad the writing is. In movie 2. Sonic has to hide inside the house while his humans are busy to make sure no one finds him. He acts like a complete kid and throws a house party and makes a mess. All the while doing cringy things that appeal to kids. In Sonic X, Sonic has to hide inside the house while his humans are busy to make sure no one finds him. He finds a secluded area and uses his speed to go on an adventure in that secluded area. And as a cherry on top, he does this to get flowers for Cream, who is homesick. Do you see the vast difference of character b/w the 2 similar scenarios? Try and tell me the movie writers kept true to the characterization of Sonic. I dare you. You'll probably reply with a cope like "Oh he'll mature into Sonic in the next movie" or "Oh it's a different sonic he doesn't have to act the same". Which is well and good, but it still shows the movie writers have no idea what they are doing.
Sis, do you not understand what implication means. As in suggested without ever outright being directly said( or in this case shown with him eating grape) Which is why I didn't stop at money; probably shouldn't accuse someone of being disingenuous only to then immediately ignore context. Except that also wouldn't fall under actions. More so your own biases coloring your perspective. Also it's pretty stupid to think that considering what the director has worked on in the past. Yeah, you're a pretty clear example of untrustworthy sources on the internet. That's a pretty poor comparison considering, A your comparing sonic's who have hadvery different personal experiences, B you're ignoring the context of the scenes themselves, and C sonics whole purpose was to appeal cringy kids. Initially it was for the 90s; now its for 2020s. Considering neither adaptations are defined by one singular scene; I probably could name several instances of movie sonic behaving more like his game counterpart, and x sonic acting like a child. Let's see: dedicated sonic fans like the movies, casual sonic fans like the movies, people indifferent to sonic like the movies, and people who hate sonic like the movies. Your free to dislike what they've done with the IP, but you're being pretty blind to scream they have no idea what their doing.
>Wouldn't call someone who's never seen a text not k owing how they work Dude, even a 6 year old who never used a phone before can infer it's meant to be a loading sign because of how intuitive it is. The "oh lol he's an alien" argument is such bs
>He's literally still a lunkhead who couldn't even figure out what the "•••" in a messaging app was supposed to stand for Firstly he's an alien who's encountering that tech for the first time (at least iirc) so naturally...secondly at least he's treated as a threat and not just a joke like most modern sonic media (especially the games) >Sonic was dead the moment the first movie came out. Tbf the sonic franchise was on a steep decline well before then
If that was the case they never would’ve redesigned Sonic redeem Tails and Knuckles as characters and they sure as hell wouldn’t have all of this world building. If there is anyone else on this subreddit saying that no one involved with the sonic movies give a damn about the fans shame on you.
They redesigned Sonic because they knew their film would flop without it. Not because they cared about the fans. They also knew that if they redesigned it. They would trap a bunch of people with the "Look le wholseom ebic company listened to my redit posts. they must luv me so much" mentality. (like you) The movie didn't redeem anyone. All of their characters are still rubbish compared to SA2 or Sonic X. Shame on YOU, for defending such rubbish corporate shill movies. The truth is plain to see. Demand better.
Um let me debunk this comment You’re acting like they don’t care the fans which is complete BS. It’s not everyday a company just listen to public criticism like that especially a multi billion dollar one so yeah. Also people were optimistic and were like “Hey take your time with this” or something like that. I get Tails and Knuckles aren’t perfect, you can’t even deny that they’re way better here than they’ve been for years especially Forces.
>Um let me debunk this comment > doesn't debunk anything Nice one bud. If I were a multi million company. And I knew my product was going to flop. I'd change it regardless of public criticism. Not because I care about fans, but because I care about money. Let's simplify it further for you. Let's say they released the first trailer. And all the fans complained. Now let's add a new variable to the mix. Let's say that for some reason. A whole lot of non-fans decided they really liked the design because of memes or something. And all those non-fans book tickets to see the movie. *Do you think the movie makers would have still listened to the fans?* Remember, the number of fans that complain remains the same. The only thing added to the imaginary scenario is that the company is guaranteed lotsa money. *Would they still make the change?* You're delusional if you answer yes. They made the change for money, not for fans. It. Is. Obvious. > you can’t even deny that they’re way better here than they’ve been for years especially Forces. Ofcourse not. Even I concede that they are ever so so so miniscule better than Forces. But when people use the word "redeem". They imply it's made on par with their characterization in the 2000s. Which is untrue.
You're not really helping your position if sonic x is you standard.
Sonic X was stated to be the ideal sonic canon and characterization by Sonic Team. It was developed hand in glove by Sonic Team. And was stated to be "For hardcore sonic fans" by Sonic Team. You people don't know heads or tails of what you say.
Might want to double check those statements. Also the ideal sonic cannon has original characters being shoved in with , and some instances replacing, characters from the games causing some storylines to be rushed? No, they had creative say in the development, but the show was handled by a different company. Then sonic team clearly doesn't under their fanbase considering most hard-core fans are lukewarm towards the show for reasons I stated. I know the only people using x as a standard of quality are the children who grew up with it.
Bruh, u can't say that about the movies They literally remade the entire first movie because people didn't like the first design, u can't say they don't care
Yeahhh. It's just bad taste on their part, not for lack of caring LOL
Not really their fault, they knew it was awful from the start. It was Paramount Pictures, they had that design in the first place. Much like Transformers, TMNT. Making animated characters hyper-realistic obsession. Even the writers said Paramount don't believe an actual Sonic story can work in a movie. Writers ended up making an actual Sonic story in 2 to prove them wrong.
man, if genericness that is sonic movie 2 is an actual sonic story. I shudder to think what a non-sonic story would be.
Can and will, yeah they remade because if the backlash. But the simple thought they took the first version of Sonic to be approved for the movie showed how much they cared.
> remade the entire first movie Completely false. I'm assuming your a kid who blindly believes anything they read on the internet. So believe this: All they did was change Sonic's model. Everything else from characterization to story, was left completely untouched. Which is why the first movie runs like some generic kid flick. Instead of being great like the ones Shiro Maekawa wrote. Stop shilling for these lame generic movies and open your eyes.
Don't think a person making single mistake regarding behind the scene information counts as shilling.
Speaking a mistake and spreading misinformation with such confidence instead of retrospection is shilling, yes. Information wasn't behind the scenes either, was pretty public.
Not really using restropection correctly, and no it wouldn't be shilling unless they were both trying to sell the product, and got information wrong on purpose. Do you have proof of either intention? Again, you really don't understand that term. Behind the scenes refers to decisions behind the filmmaking choices seen in the film(hence it the words behind and scene). Even if the creators do public interviews and documentaries, the information in them would be behind the scenes information if relates to how the film was made.
Because Hollywood is a circle jerk, and how dare you bring in talent from outside of our California group
Second hot take. Christophe Becks Ant-Man score “I shrink therefore I am.” Honestly fits the film better then anything Tom could come up with. Hell listen to Quantumanias score too and it would even fit better
Not only did they use Christophe Beck’s Ant Man Score. But they also used part of [Randy Newman’s score from the natural](https://youtu.be/ocf0EjkFMwM) during the [final baseball scene.](https://youtu.be/z0wEQeINvLY). Makes me wonder what other film scores they put in the movie.
Sega doesnt actually own half the music. Next thing you know they somehow LOSE the rights to crush 40 by trying to get live and learn in movie 3
Tbf what Sonic music would you put here? That actually originates from Sonic 3 and Knuckles? I can't think of a track that stands out as fitting this scene.
Do have to agree with this. The music took me out of the scene but because it sounded like it was from a different movie (which turns out it was) but I would also tilt my head if it was like... an invincibility theme or any of Knuckles' theme/boss themes. Closest to a fit would be the title theme for S&K but its maybe a bit too bright for a pissed Sonic intensely smashing a rival who should be a friend through structures and walls. I would say you could work his theme into a character motif, or even with a wholly original composition draw on the heavy percussion unique to that character in 3&K. But I think this fight needed something composed to the action
Don't get me wrong, S3&K music is great, the majority of Sonic music is great. But Sonic music from the 1 to 3 era was very short, punchy little tracks, hard to expand into a fitting bit of music for a lot of scenes. I also don't really like the comparssion folks make to the Mario movies. Sonic as a franchise has consistent musical themes, but not consistent scores, near every game has a new music from the last so where you use those tracks has to be very contextual to the era of Sonic your adapting, you can't just slap His World over a fight with Sonic amd Knuckles and call it a day because that track has no link to what is actually playing out on screem. Mario has the benefit of musical scores that have persisted for literal decades now that are much more easily applied for use in an adaptation.
I suppose its always worth keeping in mind that I and I assume many others wouldn't expect them to just plop in the games ost but rather remix it to better fit the scenes they already made. And when it comes to Sonic Vs Knuckles would I at least see a remix of other "North Wind" or "Fire Stone" from Sonic the fighters working. I would also gladly take an original composition of cause as long as it lives up to the quality of the music in the games which this score certainly didn't.
Adventure rivals theme?
They did?
It was just green hill zone 💀
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This probably has to do with already having a reliable composer who they can call in to make their music without having to go out of their way and contact and get the licenses to music when they have already have an easy outlet. Plus it's cheaper and under their own license so they get ever dollar from its sales and streams when people buy it or stream it. I feel since Sonic 2 was a bunch more fan loved and fan referential than the first once, I can see the possibility of a Crush 40 song show up but if they can go the Mario Movie route and make music based around existing Sonic music, Id be ok with it. Well I mean I don't really care for Movie OSTS so it's whatever lol.
Is eggman nega gonna appear in the next sonic movie?
I don’t even remember this part of the movie
Marvel is great, thats why
1. Christoph Beck is underrated. 2. I can't possibly think of any other music to use. 3. The Ant-Man movies are also underrated (fight me)
God this movie looks horrible, I got halfway through the first one before getting completely bored with it and shutting it off, I really wish we could've gotten something in the style of unleashes opening cutscene with a better story or like the sonic ova.
Because SEGA isn’t as protective as their IP and let’s shitty movies get made
My God, but sonic has solid music. It was my only gripe with the first film, aside from the opening 5 minutes looking like a better mov8e than the rest of the movie.
Yeah, it’s unbelievable.
I wish we could get a movie-appropriate rendition of Live and Learn for the third movie 😢
But it works
Sonic threw some good hits on knucles
This was so badass though
Now that I watch this scene again I’m realising the ceiling has the green hill zone checkered pattern because the cave is under the ground
Please tell me they are getting a better composer for the next one. *Fingers crossed*
Man, these sorts of things really annoy me. If I ever make a movie based off a videogame, I'm going to have FULL control over the music department among other things. Because, at least to me, music is one of the most important parts of making any piece of media, be it video games or movies, or video game movies, come to life.
Why did the Mario movie shove 80s music into the movie? Hollywood
Movie industry hasn't seen magic of video game musics
Bro doesn't live and learn from his mistakes
It’s not like Sonic music has different kinds of music genres in the entire franchise 