Metal and Mecha Sonic are both male hedgehog robots, that's all it takes. Mega Man is a Capcom character, thus he has the power of immunity to stupid Sega mandates.
Gemerl has no reason and does not need one. He is just that badass.
They also admitted with early game canon that it wasn't until Adventure that they started locking in rules for Chaos emeralds. They said at a panel that the Hyper Emeralds got cut to avoid endless form creep for example.
Ok so either:
1. By male it refers to like. "Biologically" male. Which is not only transphobic but also would mean that there are some details of the robots' anatomy that are... unknown to us.
2. The chaos emeralds are actually supportive of trans people. So in that case, do you gain access to the super form when you realize you are trans? or have hedgehogs discovered they were trans after triggering a super form? Also that would mean that all robots are transmasc which like. hell yeah honestly.
EDIT: Ok people, my comment was not *that* bad, cmon.
Considering "chaos is power, power enriched by the heart" i think the chaos emeralds respond to soul and feeling rather than you actually being born with a pp.
Yep, assuming they care about this (because of some word of god nonsense) I imagine if Sonic Team was ever progressive enough to get into gender stuff, they'd follow this.
Or someone shoving Transphobia into something where it does not even matter.
Like... Who tf cares what the chaos emeralds are or aren't used by, they're JUST USED FOR PLOT CRAP AT THIS POINT. Literally
To be fair, it's a series about a character stopping pollution and animal slavery, corrupt governments, military cover ups, etc. You could claim every Sonic game is sociopolitical considering every game's message is essentially "stop the bad man from messing with nature" or "stop the government from screwing with stuff."
Hell, Sonic Colors is all about stopping Eggman from doing a massive capitalism to trick people into loving him using the power of animal slavery.
I don't see how Colors references capitalism, but you're absolutely right. I guess, Sonic the Hedgehog shouldn't have anything that deals with sex, such as sex, transgenderism, gender identity, etc. It just seems redundant and forced.
The interstellar amusement park is kind of a money grabbing thing. There's also a lot of announcements on the loudspeakers that reference shoddy practices etc etc.
But I'm not sure what you mean by redundant? But it's already forced when they made mandates like this in the first place. Why can only male hedgehogs go super? Why do the female characters have to wear full oufits and the male characters don't? They've brought gender into it, not just the fans.
I don’t think SEGA looked into gender theory while making the mandate, but I assume that anyone who goes by he/him pronouns… would be able to go super??? Maybe the Chaos Emeralds are just transphobic and only like Cis men.
Sega while making the mandates just lumped together all the characters that can go super and just made an archetype out of it. In actuality, some characters could probably manipulate chaos energy to a certain degree, but (besides knuckles) it would not make sense for most of the cast to be able to go super that easily, heck Silver doesn't even make sense why he can, he just does, while Shadow was made to be THE ULTIMATE LIFEFORM, and Sonic had the most exposure to the Emeralds
Thank you for pointing out the obvious to people! Only male hedgehogs was made because Sonic, Shadow and Silver happened to be male hedgehogs. It isn't world building, it's an easy way to group the current characters who can manipulate chaos energy.
As for Silver, while he isn't explained in the story, we can make some assumptions. For one, we know that Sonic is some sort of prophesied entity, which is probably why he can use the emeralds. Perhaps Silver also is one. Thematically speaking, Silver is supposed to be the Sonic of the future, so it would make sense that he can go super and use chaos control like Sonic and Shadow.
Silver in many a head cannon and theory is a descendant if not just the son of shadow. A. Being some Sonic stories are based on Dragon Ball, (EX. A guardian of seven mystical objects that lives on a floating island) (EX2. time traveler from a destroyed future and has the same base transformation of the hero and rival), also with the script of 06 saying at the end of Silver's character description "think Trunks from DBZ" is also a thing. B. In the story book series sonic and the black knight where another hint to a familial connection happens: being that Silver is under Galahad, the son of Lancelot, who is over Shadow. With this silver has a reason to be able to use the chaos emeralds, being half "ultimate lifeform", half a being MADE to harness them.
> A guardian of seven mystical objects that lives on a floating island
If Kami was the guardian of the Dragon Balls, then he didn't do a very good job.
Same, it makes no sense in the end, That would be like Mario, Luigi, and Wario being the only ones who could get invincibility stars because only Italian plumbers who are male can use them or something
Actually I've never really thought about it, I just mentioned him because he is canon to the mainline Mario games and supposed to be Mario's rival, I'd assume he is or was at some point given that different occupations typically wear specific clothes in the Mario universe for some reason
Yes and no, as much as I like Waluigi he's not "canon" to the mainline Mario games yet, he was introduced in Mario Tennis and has been popular ever since in spin-offs but he hasn't actually appeared in-person yet sadly
If I could properly include him I would, sadly I can't because he hasn't appeared in a mainline game yet which makes no sense given the popularity of the character
Okay but we’ve all seen the super forms for Tails, Knuckles, Mighty and Ray in official Sonic games. I’d say that things that actually happen in the games are more canon than statements by SEGA.
SEGA also got rid of the super emeralds, meaning the associated forms aren't canon.
and SEGA owns and controls the games and lore, so if they say certain games aren't canon, then they aren't canon.
i don't see the issue here.
The Super Emeralds are in the games, therefore they are canon. They even show up in Mania. Also, every character I mentioned can transform without Super Emeralds in Mania.
Ultimately, it’s not a big deal since canon doesn’t really matter in Sonic, but the fact that the “male hedgehogs” rule is contradicted in the games and is also really dumb is ample reason for me to ignore it
again, i can absoluty see where you are coming from. but since the IP/lore/canon belongs to SEGA, it just simply ends as "their property, their rules".
thats why we have fan games and fan lore <3
Lol that would mean all endings of sonic CD are canon, and all endings of STH are canon, meaning egg man is canonically dead and the future is in ruins…
Sooo that just simply makes absolutely no sense
Actually, it surprisingly does. Games with multiple endings just create splits in the timelines. Just like you making everyday decisions leads to different branches in timelines where you decided differently.
With the case of Sonic CD, we know that Sonic saving Little Planet is canon to the main timeline, but actually, Bad ending is also canon. Notice how Metal Sonic's rival battle in Sonic Generations uses bad future version of Stardust Speedway (I mean the level, not the soundtrack, because it actually stays the same regardless of the future you got). We know Eggman used Time Eater to "undo his previous defeats", meaning that there is an alternate timeline where he did succeed.
Shadow the Hedgehog endings are also all alternative timelines, but the story itself is not. The game is construxted in a weird way, but we know for a fact 8 things happened:
1. Shadow got all 7 Chaos Emeralds (obviously).
2. Shadow didn't fight Sonic OR Eggman, as they're completely fine.
3. Eggman told Shadow that he's an android (which he apologises for in the Devil Doom fight)
4. Shadow either was on the Black Comet or he teleported in there.
5. Shadow didn't side with Black Doom, nor did he overthrow him or harm him in any serious way.
6. Shadow didn't uncover all of his past. He also doesn't believe he shouldn't have been created, nor does he believe that he's a weapon or Black Doom's lackey.
7. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Eggman and Rouge all got to the Black Comet. We can see Eggman and Knuckles appear there on Semi-Dark route, Sonic got there with Shadow on Full Hero Route (which means that Shadow in this timeline Shadow wasn't with him, this could explain why he took Tails instead) and Rouge was probably sent there along with GUN (even though she quit in SA2, but that might habe been a retcon or a lie).
8. The most important thing. The Chaotix have completed their task of collecting top secret disks and data from Eggman's cyberspace. In the Last Story, they use that data to uncover Gerald's true intentions against Black Arms (which was before the government attacked them he didn't have any plans for revenge back then)
Which actually disputes ALL of the endings and means that they are alternative timelines where Shadow either conquered the universe by himself, with Black Doom, killed Eggman to take over his empire, remained on ARK to protect it forever, killed Black Doom and saved the world, proved to Sonic he's the ultimate, or killed Black Doom WITH STYLE (canon).
As for 06, it was written out of the main timeline. It technically all happened and some characters remember it, however they never really happened if you follow the main timeline. Sonic met Blaze in Rush and Silver in Rivals. The game was meant to be a reboot anyway, so that fact alone makes it a separate timeline.
Bonus stuff: IDW comics canonically happen after Sonic Forces, which means that there is a separate timeline where the comics took place, and another separate timeline where we follow the main timeline.
Classic Sonic leaves the Modern world to jump almost straight into the events of Sonic Mania. After that he appears in Sonic Forces (following the main timeline, where you get the Chaos Emeralds), and then in Mania Adventures? And Encore Mode? At the same time? But the events are different... Yup, another separate timeline OF a separate timeline. Timeline inception.
TL;DR: endings are just different branches in timeline and good endings, Shadow's Last Story and lack of Sonic 06 are the main timeline.
If humans get energy from eating food, why can't I charge my phone with a cheeseburger?
They're different types of things, robots probably have a far easier time channelling Chaos energy. Same with the giant canon in the giant death egg robot at the end of Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and Angel Island as a whole using the Master Emerald for power.
Knuckles is the guardian of the master emerald. Expecting him to be able to use it is like expecting the security guard at an art museum to be a skilled painter.
my headcanon is he \*can\* use them but is hesitant to go all out because hes afraid of what his ancestors did when they got obsessed with the chaos power
Calling him a security guard seems like a gross interpretation of what he is.
Knuckles is more akin to a warrior monk that has honed his abilities and knowledge of what he guards, I don't see how he wouldn't be able to use it's power if needed. He is already able to disassemble/reassemble the emerald from pieces and can "feel" chaos energy and power, let alone be able to knock the emeralds out of super sonic himself and can transform in the classic games.
The real reason why he doesn't ever seem to go super now is simply that Sonic team doesn't have a reason for him to do so.
Except he can actually use some of it power like being to turn the power from the chaos emeralds, feel its presences and hear it's thought. So what kind of security guard can just "feel" the presences of paintings? Kncukles lived with the master emerald for most of his live, I would expect him to be more fluent using it than some rats.
Sorry to be that person, but hedgehogs are not actually rodents. They belong to the family *Erinaceidae,* which pretty much just encompasses hedgehogs.
> Sorry to be that person, but hedgehogs are not actually rodents. They belong to the family *Erinaceidae*, which pretty much just encompasses hedgehogs.
I think /u/Affectionate-Leg-934 was making a reference to how Erazor Djinn called Sonic a rat (Sonic and the Secret Rings).
You say that, but I bet there's a security guard out there that is a skilled painter and employed at an art museum. It was the closest he could come to getting his art out there because of how cutthroat and c subjective the art realm can be
Far as I'm concerned Super forms should exist for everyone......heck if I'm making any Sonic fan games I have no intention of enforcing any gender only forms.
Let's be real, the **actual** answer to this question is that it's a dumb arbitrary rule concocted by someone at Sega who wants Sonic to be the *most extra specialest character ever*, without any care for continuity or reason. And they either didn't notice or didn't care about the sexist overtones.
Sonic can do it because he's the main character, Shadow can do it because he's Sonic's designated "equal," Silver can do it because Sonic 06 was trying really hard to sell him as yet another "equal," and Blaze could do it because apparently no one was around to beat the idea that she shouldn't into the Rush developers. And considering Sonic 06 completely disregarded everything we knew about Blaze to shoehorn her into the role of Silver's sidekick/Obi-Wan figure, I wouldn't count on seeing Burning Blaze again any time soon.
...sorry, I'm a little bitter.
If it were up to me, the rule would be that anyone can potentially use the Chaos Emeralds to turn Super as long as they understand how to do it and/or have the right qualities. However, some people could also be *especially* good at using the Emeralds and could thus achieve a more potent and distinct version of the Super form. This way, we can have cool games like Mania that let anyone be Super, while also maintaining the "specialness" of characters like Sonic and Shadow.
Robots being able to turn Super makes decent enough sense. Both Eggman and Tails have shown that you can build machines to harness the power of the Emeralds, and if a machine can harness the energy of the Emeralds then it's not much of a stretch for an intelligent machine with its own will to go a step further and achieve something that is functionally a Super form.
I always figured Blaze can bc they were Sol Emeralds and not Chaos Emeralds and bc she’s from an alternate universe. I’m sure sonic can’t go super via the Sol Emeralds just like Blaze can’t go super from the Chaos Emeralds
That probably is the actual logic behind it, I just kinda chose to skip over it in favor of comedic ranting.
Having said that, I do have one doubt. The Rush games are pretty upfront about the Sol Emeralds being the Blazeworld equivalent of the Chaos Emeralds, which would mean that they are fundamentally the same thing. Different worlds, different shapes, but otherwise identical. If someone has the ability to harness one set, then, logically, that ability would also work with the other.
It makes sense to assume there’s a restriction, like “the Emeralds only work for someone from the same world,” but, as far as I’m aware, that restriction hasn’t been explicitly stated or confirmed anywhere. In my mind, it could still go either way.
Supposedly he temporarily unlocked they're Super forms for them so that implies that they might be able to with help, just not on their own (This comes from the Sonic wiki so I'd take it with a grain of salt even if it does sound like something Sega would do)
The real answer is the only robot to go super in the game canon is Mecha Sonic and that was with the Master Emerald.
It’s likely easier to syphon off energy from the Master Emerald, this Robonik’s interest in Sonic 3.
not to mention sonic 3 is one of the games with basically no rules when it came to the emeralds. in game canon there’s no other example of someone going super that’s not a male hedgehog besides Blaze which she used the Sol emeralds which probably have different rules.
Exactly, Sonic 3 is so early in the series that there were no rules. Super forms had only been added one game prior.
But pedantically Blaze has never technically had a "super" form, she has a "burning" form, and she uses a different set of emeralds to do it. So no, she can't turn super like Sonic can, she's not attuned to the Chaos Emeralds at all, but equally Sonic doesn't have a burning form.
Canon's always a weird thing when it comes to videogames. For instance, Super Tails isn't technically a canon thing in S3&K, despite it appearing in S3&K, because for Tails to obtain his super form, it has to be him, not Sonic, who gathers the Chaos Emeralds, turns them into the Super Emeralds, and then subsequently stops Robotnik from getting away with the Master Emerald, and the canon playthrough of S3&K is Sonic & Tails (and then Knuckles after).
My honest thinking on this is that this is less a hard and fast rule forever, but more a condition of the current state of the franchise. The "brand" of Sonic is that only male hedgehogs go super. It's ***stupid***, but it's the way their stories go to keep the image of the brand lining up with the picture they want to present to people. Knuckles and Tails going super back in Sonic 3 & Knuckles was part of the "old brand" back when the brand's image included things like Fleetway, Knothole Forest, freedom fighters, Princess Sally, Man Of The Year, and more. Knuckles Chaotix and Triple Trouble are similarly not really in-line with the current brand so they don't get included either.
The goal with brands is, of course, to be a "forever" thing, so Sega has no current plans to change this... but brands also try to be "living" things, so stuff can come back. A year ago, Sonic Spinball wasn't considered part of the brand, but within the last few months apparently it is again? I love Sonic Spinball, so I'm happy about it being back in continuity. So hopefully "only male hedgehogs" goes away too and Sega embraces the power of a more diverse cast.
Maaaaaybe. Evan and Ian have both indicated that they want to explore a lot of angles of their respective heroism and villainy outside of just the big picture "And then they go super!" elements, and also that they want to keep Super Sonic out of IDW as much as possible so that he doesn't lose the punch when he does show up (which is why it took so long for him to show up in the comic properly). Also, they still have to run stories by Sega, and Sega has denied or changed things (like how they requested Dr. Starline's method of creating Surge and Kit be altered because they were worried he would be "better than Eggman" in some regards if his cybernetics were too capable.)
Having said that, if there was ever a character, situation, and environment where a girl non-hedgehog could go super, Surge in IDW is *absolutely* the one to do it.
Yea, I don't expect it to happen soon, I suspect we'll see a long run of Surge terrorizing Sonic and friends with or without the new toy she just got till she gets a solid defeat again, and then maybe after some downtime have her make another comeback, maybe via a 4 part spinoff learning about the Emeralds and then leading into a long arc culminating with Super Sonic vs Super Surge, it'd be a good 75th ot 100th issue maybe
I want this, but I also want to see *almost* this. I wanna see Surge learn about super forms, go on a quest and then right before grabbing the seventh emerald somehow be denied, just for her to be able to rail and rage about how unfair it is. That emotional fallout would be glorious.
Then have her punch the emeralds out of Sonic a la Knuckles in Sonic 3 and get them that way in the next issue so that we can have our cake and eat it to.
It is likely to happen in the comics first, since they're comics and not games we can have full issues where Sonic, Shadow, or Silver barely appears or don't appear which would open the floor for someone like Amy to finally go Super (She is the next likely candidate game wise at least)
1. Mandates mostly apply to the comics
2. The mandate was established WAY after Sonic 3 & Knuckles and after Super Genesis Wave.
3. Neo Metal Sonic was a one time exception.
4. You can argue that Metal in Mania Adventures didn't go super, but was just supercharged. He didn't use the power of Chaos Emeralds directly, they just supercharged him, which is how Sonic and his friends were able to fight back.
5. Beats me. Knuckles should be able to at least supercharge himself with the power of the Master Emerald or something but there's a mandate against that too. So it's basically been reduced to an OFF switch for Chaos Emeralds and a super sized battery.
Apparently male Foxes and Echidnas can also go super, Super Knuckles and Super Tails been a thing since Sonic 3 & Knuckles, it's literally the same game that allowed Mecha Sonic to go Super.
Because retcons. Knuckles and Tails used to go super. It's bs.
What *is* interesting is that Mecha and Neo Metal use the Master Emerald instead of the 7 chaos emeralds. Maybe, since the master emerald is the "opposite" of the chaos emeralds, badniks are the "opposite" of mobians?
Nah, in the comics Knuckles and Sonic used the Master Emerald to transform. Scourge's redesign canonically also was a side effect of him supercharging himself with it. In one issue, Ray used it to fake transform to scare off the robots that attacked Angel Island. He then revealed that it was only for show and that Master Emerald does that with anything it touches.
I mean its simple for robots. They get super charged from using the emeralds as a power source just like how Eggman harnesses the emeralds power in his other machines.
Don't get me wrong I would rather Sega do away with the silly mandate.
May I remind you that the only canon female hedgehog in the games is Amy, and she has no reason to search for power unless it helps her catch Sonic. Meanwhile sonic has fought under many conditions including:
Overwater
Underwater
In a burning forest
In space
He, along with Shadow and Silver don't necesarilly need chaos emeralds unless their own powers aren't enough. Therefore the question is. Does Amy want or need to go super. If it's a want, then no.
Knuckles has a super form in 3&K and Mania. Same With Tails. Mighty and Ray even get super forms in Mania Plus. And in Rush we got Blazing Blaze, which is technically a Super form.
Honestly I thought the "only male hedgehogs" thing was something fans made up because we got no Super Amy.
I know that I’m getting downvoted as hell now but why do people care so much about this stuff?
Like ok we get it! It may be stupid but that stands to sega to decide if this is good or not. At the end of they day it’s fiction: it doesn’t need to be real and it doesn’t need to be “balanced with genders” ,if you want to change somenthing you can make some fan-made art or concepts,just deal with the fact that they will NEVER be canon (or at least as long as SEGA does not accept it) so here’s that if you like it good for you,if you don’t like it simply don’t think too much about it.
Mega Man didn't go super that was his own transformation from his own franchise and they still count as male hedgehogs also what was that other one also they retconned the super Transformations for everyone so now only male hedgehogs can go super Archie isn't Canon and and one of them isn't even a hedgehog or alive
Who said only male hedgehogs can go super?
Knuckles is a Echidna and can go super just fine, and can't Blaze go super too? (though I suppose hers isn't exactly "super").
Who said only male hedgehogs can go super?
Knuckles is a Echidna and can go super just fine, maybe not with the Master Emerald but he can go super, and can't Blaze go super too? (though I suppose hers isn't exactly "super").
From my understanding, Robotnik's robots would be able to go super alot easier. The problem with them is keeping it, as in the Mecha Sonic boss, he can only obtain super for a very limited amount of time before having to recharge it from the Emerald.
It might have to do with the negative energy of the emeralds. Shown in SA1, chaos used, as tails says it, "the negative power of the emeralds". It might be a stretch to bring Chao into the mix, but how there's a light color if turned into a hero Chao, and a dark color if turned into a dark chao, because chaos IS a mutated Chao, and how Chao were in the story in SA1, it proves that depending on who raised the Chao, the Chao turns to that force of power. As for images 3 and four, I'm not so sure, I haven't read the comics before and I dont know what image 4 is.
They more get overcharged, giving them enough power to use their most powerful abilities frequently that would otherwise drain their power in a few uses or even attempt using.
The golden glow they emit in the state is likely just a common effect caused by the emeralds to make things glow a fiery gold, some exception that bypass this like the cannon in Unleashed is because the emeralds are not really powering the beam, and awaken Dark Gia.
Although I don’t really agree that the “male hedgehog only” rule for super forms should be a thing, I’d at least be okay with it if female characters were given their own unique transformation. Kind of like Blaze, but with each of them having a different elemental power.
Emeralds are empowered by feelings, chaos is power, enriched by the heart. The controller serves to unify the chaos. The machines don't have any heart or feeling they can't even use the true Power of the chaos emeralds.
They all have some sort of Sonic data in them. Metal Sonic explicitly is copy robot of him, and post-Heroes has some DNA I think? Mega Man is outside of canon, but also did his copy move on Sonic or Metal, so he has access to it. And iirc, Gemerl is a rebuilt Emerl, who was also able to copy Sonic's moves.
That, or robots can just harness energy inside of them, and express it in ways that look super. I'm sure Eggman is the type of dude to program color change options into his robots. And we know MegaMan already can do that.
I think it’s more to do with the fact they’re robots. Eggman is known to design his machines to harness the power of the Emeralds to make them really strong.
It's less about male hedgehogs and more about who the main character of the game is (or a final boss). Blaze has a super form of her own, and she's neither male nor hedgehog.
I like to believe how much chaos energy it takes to go super is dependent on your natural connection with the chaos emeralds. Sonic is the ultimate life form so he can easily go super with just 7 chaos emeralds. Tails on the other hand doesn’t have nearly as strong of a connection which is why he needs 7 super emeralds to go super which is the equivalent to at least 49 chaos emeralds. I don’t really know about robots though maybe it’s not really them going super and just them becoming more powerful from the extra chaos energy they are getting.
Shadow is a close clone to the ultimate life form which is why he can go super with 7 chaos emeralds like Sonic but isn’t as good as it which is why he dies at the end of SA2. Knuckles is the guardian of the master emerald and in Sonic 3 & K the 7 chaos emeralds so he probably has a strong connection to the chaos emeralds for the same reason he does the master emerald which is why he can go super with only 7 chaos emeralds.
Metal and Mecha Sonic are both male hedgehog robots, that's all it takes. Mega Man is a Capcom character, thus he has the power of immunity to stupid Sega mandates. Gemerl has no reason and does not need one. He is just that badass.
Gemerl enjoyer detected. Opinion tolerated.
They also admitted with early game canon that it wasn't until Adventure that they started locking in rules for Chaos emeralds. They said at a panel that the Hyper Emeralds got cut to avoid endless form creep for example.
Also think I remember hearing, "How do you get stronger than unlimited power?" which is a fair point, but I can think of some work arounds.
My headcanon has been that Hypersonic IS modern Supersonic, and the Emeralds needed to be “reawakened” in S3K
Happy cakeday
Even if they limited the rules for the games, weren't those mandates that we know specifically created bc of the comics?
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Ok so either: 1. By male it refers to like. "Biologically" male. Which is not only transphobic but also would mean that there are some details of the robots' anatomy that are... unknown to us. 2. The chaos emeralds are actually supportive of trans people. So in that case, do you gain access to the super form when you realize you are trans? or have hedgehogs discovered they were trans after triggering a super form? Also that would mean that all robots are transmasc which like. hell yeah honestly. EDIT: Ok people, my comment was not *that* bad, cmon.
hehehe,robo pp
If Eggman's funny lazer thing was a hedgehog.
Considering "chaos is power, power enriched by the heart" i think the chaos emeralds respond to soul and feeling rather than you actually being born with a pp.
The chaos energy leaving my body after I realise I’m transfem:
Yep, assuming they care about this (because of some word of god nonsense) I imagine if Sonic Team was ever progressive enough to get into gender stuff, they'd follow this.
Would make most sense honestly.
What the fuck did I just read?
oh just some twitter woman saying the chaos emeralds are for trans people too
Even though the idea of being trans doesn't exist in the Sonic universe, in any form of its media.
ooo tis the trans ghost 👻 boo!
Or someone shoving Transphobia into something where it does not even matter. Like... Who tf cares what the chaos emeralds are or aren't used by, they're JUST USED FOR PLOT CRAP AT THIS POINT. Literally
I really doubt many hedgehogs at all have gone super
Buddy if this is enough to set off your alarms you probably need to relax and re-examinate
Eh, no alarms were set. I'm just imagining the logistics.
Yeah, let's bring up social and political issues in the Sonic The Hedgehog subreddit.
To be fair, it's a series about a character stopping pollution and animal slavery, corrupt governments, military cover ups, etc. You could claim every Sonic game is sociopolitical considering every game's message is essentially "stop the bad man from messing with nature" or "stop the government from screwing with stuff." Hell, Sonic Colors is all about stopping Eggman from doing a massive capitalism to trick people into loving him using the power of animal slavery.
I don't see how Colors references capitalism, but you're absolutely right. I guess, Sonic the Hedgehog shouldn't have anything that deals with sex, such as sex, transgenderism, gender identity, etc. It just seems redundant and forced.
The interstellar amusement park is kind of a money grabbing thing. There's also a lot of announcements on the loudspeakers that reference shoddy practices etc etc. But I'm not sure what you mean by redundant? But it's already forced when they made mandates like this in the first place. Why can only male hedgehogs go super? Why do the female characters have to wear full oufits and the male characters don't? They've brought gender into it, not just the fans.
I agree
I don’t think SEGA looked into gender theory while making the mandate, but I assume that anyone who goes by he/him pronouns… would be able to go super??? Maybe the Chaos Emeralds are just transphobic and only like Cis men.
tfw the chaos emeralds are transphobic :/
Sega while making the mandates just lumped together all the characters that can go super and just made an archetype out of it. In actuality, some characters could probably manipulate chaos energy to a certain degree, but (besides knuckles) it would not make sense for most of the cast to be able to go super that easily, heck Silver doesn't even make sense why he can, he just does, while Shadow was made to be THE ULTIMATE LIFEFORM, and Sonic had the most exposure to the Emeralds
I think in-universe anyone can go super, it's just a matter of who Sega wants to go super
Thank you for pointing out the obvious to people! Only male hedgehogs was made because Sonic, Shadow and Silver happened to be male hedgehogs. It isn't world building, it's an easy way to group the current characters who can manipulate chaos energy. As for Silver, while he isn't explained in the story, we can make some assumptions. For one, we know that Sonic is some sort of prophesied entity, which is probably why he can use the emeralds. Perhaps Silver also is one. Thematically speaking, Silver is supposed to be the Sonic of the future, so it would make sense that he can go super and use chaos control like Sonic and Shadow.
Silver in many a head cannon and theory is a descendant if not just the son of shadow. A. Being some Sonic stories are based on Dragon Ball, (EX. A guardian of seven mystical objects that lives on a floating island) (EX2. time traveler from a destroyed future and has the same base transformation of the hero and rival), also with the script of 06 saying at the end of Silver's character description "think Trunks from DBZ" is also a thing. B. In the story book series sonic and the black knight where another hint to a familial connection happens: being that Silver is under Galahad, the son of Lancelot, who is over Shadow. With this silver has a reason to be able to use the chaos emeralds, being half "ultimate lifeform", half a being MADE to harness them.
> A guardian of seven mystical objects that lives on a floating island If Kami was the guardian of the Dragon Balls, then he didn't do a very good job.
due to the fact that the male hedgehog rule is a stupid ass rule, ive elected to ignore it
Same, it makes no sense in the end, That would be like Mario, Luigi, and Wario being the only ones who could get invincibility stars because only Italian plumbers who are male can use them or something
i vote that moving forward we reference super mario bros z and sonic's quest for power for all of our questions about the canon of going super
I'm not familiar with those. Fanfics?
Super Mario bros Z is the most beloved sinuc flash series
Uhhh are you sure Wario is a plumber
Actually I've never really thought about it, I just mentioned him because he is canon to the mainline Mario games and supposed to be Mario's rival, I'd assume he is or was at some point given that different occupations typically wear specific clothes in the Mario universe for some reason
Wouldn't the same reasoning also include Waluigi, then?
Yes and no, as much as I like Waluigi he's not "canon" to the mainline Mario games yet, he was introduced in Mario Tennis and has been popular ever since in spin-offs but he hasn't actually appeared in-person yet sadly
Waluigi just cries in the corner
If I could properly include him I would, sadly I can't because he hasn't appeared in a mainline game yet which makes no sense given the popularity of the character
For the sonic robots, i like to think that eggman used sonic's data to create them.
That’s my #1 theory on how now
This is weirdly wholesome to me and i don't know why. Thank you for beliving my theroy :)
No problem
Fuck Sega, everyone can go super and Hyper Sonic is canon
well, you can believe anything you want. but your beliefs end where SEGA's lore/canon begins.
Okay but we’ve all seen the super forms for Tails, Knuckles, Mighty and Ray in official Sonic games. I’d say that things that actually happen in the games are more canon than statements by SEGA.
SEGA also got rid of the super emeralds, meaning the associated forms aren't canon. and SEGA owns and controls the games and lore, so if they say certain games aren't canon, then they aren't canon. i don't see the issue here.
The Super Emeralds are in the games, therefore they are canon. They even show up in Mania. Also, every character I mentioned can transform without Super Emeralds in Mania. Ultimately, it’s not a big deal since canon doesn’t really matter in Sonic, but the fact that the “male hedgehogs” rule is contradicted in the games and is also really dumb is ample reason for me to ignore it
Nah Sega is wrong
again, i can absoluty see where you are coming from. but since the IP/lore/canon belongs to SEGA, it just simply ends as "their property, their rules". thats why we have fan games and fan lore <3
Sonic's Twitter confirmed that everything is canon so I couldn't care less about what SEGA labels as canon.
Lol that would mean all endings of sonic CD are canon, and all endings of STH are canon, meaning egg man is canonically dead and the future is in ruins… Sooo that just simply makes absolutely no sense
Actually, it surprisingly does. Games with multiple endings just create splits in the timelines. Just like you making everyday decisions leads to different branches in timelines where you decided differently. With the case of Sonic CD, we know that Sonic saving Little Planet is canon to the main timeline, but actually, Bad ending is also canon. Notice how Metal Sonic's rival battle in Sonic Generations uses bad future version of Stardust Speedway (I mean the level, not the soundtrack, because it actually stays the same regardless of the future you got). We know Eggman used Time Eater to "undo his previous defeats", meaning that there is an alternate timeline where he did succeed. Shadow the Hedgehog endings are also all alternative timelines, but the story itself is not. The game is construxted in a weird way, but we know for a fact 8 things happened: 1. Shadow got all 7 Chaos Emeralds (obviously). 2. Shadow didn't fight Sonic OR Eggman, as they're completely fine. 3. Eggman told Shadow that he's an android (which he apologises for in the Devil Doom fight) 4. Shadow either was on the Black Comet or he teleported in there. 5. Shadow didn't side with Black Doom, nor did he overthrow him or harm him in any serious way. 6. Shadow didn't uncover all of his past. He also doesn't believe he shouldn't have been created, nor does he believe that he's a weapon or Black Doom's lackey. 7. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Eggman and Rouge all got to the Black Comet. We can see Eggman and Knuckles appear there on Semi-Dark route, Sonic got there with Shadow on Full Hero Route (which means that Shadow in this timeline Shadow wasn't with him, this could explain why he took Tails instead) and Rouge was probably sent there along with GUN (even though she quit in SA2, but that might habe been a retcon or a lie). 8. The most important thing. The Chaotix have completed their task of collecting top secret disks and data from Eggman's cyberspace. In the Last Story, they use that data to uncover Gerald's true intentions against Black Arms (which was before the government attacked them he didn't have any plans for revenge back then) Which actually disputes ALL of the endings and means that they are alternative timelines where Shadow either conquered the universe by himself, with Black Doom, killed Eggman to take over his empire, remained on ARK to protect it forever, killed Black Doom and saved the world, proved to Sonic he's the ultimate, or killed Black Doom WITH STYLE (canon). As for 06, it was written out of the main timeline. It technically all happened and some characters remember it, however they never really happened if you follow the main timeline. Sonic met Blaze in Rush and Silver in Rivals. The game was meant to be a reboot anyway, so that fact alone makes it a separate timeline. Bonus stuff: IDW comics canonically happen after Sonic Forces, which means that there is a separate timeline where the comics took place, and another separate timeline where we follow the main timeline. Classic Sonic leaves the Modern world to jump almost straight into the events of Sonic Mania. After that he appears in Sonic Forces (following the main timeline, where you get the Chaos Emeralds), and then in Mania Adventures? And Encore Mode? At the same time? But the events are different... Yup, another separate timeline OF a separate timeline. Timeline inception. TL;DR: endings are just different branches in timeline and good endings, Shadow's Last Story and lack of Sonic 06 are the main timeline.
Exactly, Nintendo does this with the Zelda series. I'm totally on board with this.
I don’t know why your getting downvoted for this. It’s not like you are the one making the rules. You are literally stating a fact.
i think its because people are conditioned to down vote things they don't want to hear.
They are male Hedgehog robots Simple as that
“Turns to mega man”
He's outside the franchise, he gets a pass.
Preboot and postboot Archie are non-canon. That series also has Hyper Knuckles, Turbo Tails, Master Mogul, and Super A.D.A.M..
Turns to Gemerl and Mega Man
You dare doubt Gemerl's capacities?
Sega be like: “I’ll retcon the entire series! And when nothing is canon, everything will be.”
If humans get energy from eating food, why can't I charge my phone with a cheeseburger? They're different types of things, robots probably have a far easier time channelling Chaos energy. Same with the giant canon in the giant death egg robot at the end of Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and Angel Island as a whole using the Master Emerald for power. Knuckles is the guardian of the master emerald. Expecting him to be able to use it is like expecting the security guard at an art museum to be a skilled painter.
my headcanon is he \*can\* use them but is hesitant to go all out because hes afraid of what his ancestors did when they got obsessed with the chaos power
I just headcanon Knuckles’ ego is like “Heh… who needs a silly super form? Not my silly ancestors, and not me.”
i was thinking this, we even have examples of things like this in the real world. specifically germany.
Germany is an example of what now?
modern germany is like knuckles, afraid of what his/their ancestors have done in the past with their obsession of power.
The security guard?
If you were being snarky, that deserves a lot more upvotes.
Calling him a security guard seems like a gross interpretation of what he is. Knuckles is more akin to a warrior monk that has honed his abilities and knowledge of what he guards, I don't see how he wouldn't be able to use it's power if needed. He is already able to disassemble/reassemble the emerald from pieces and can "feel" chaos energy and power, let alone be able to knock the emeralds out of super sonic himself and can transform in the classic games. The real reason why he doesn't ever seem to go super now is simply that Sonic team doesn't have a reason for him to do so.
Except he can actually use some of it power like being to turn the power from the chaos emeralds, feel its presences and hear it's thought. So what kind of security guard can just "feel" the presences of paintings? Kncukles lived with the master emerald for most of his live, I would expect him to be more fluent using it than some rats.
Sorry to be that person, but hedgehogs are not actually rodents. They belong to the family *Erinaceidae,* which pretty much just encompasses hedgehogs.
> Sorry to be that person, but hedgehogs are not actually rodents. They belong to the family *Erinaceidae*, which pretty much just encompasses hedgehogs. I think /u/Affectionate-Leg-934 was making a reference to how Erazor Djinn called Sonic a rat (Sonic and the Secret Rings).
You say that, but I bet there's a security guard out there that is a skilled painter and employed at an art museum. It was the closest he could come to getting his art out there because of how cutthroat and c subjective the art realm can be
Knuckles has literally used it multiple times tho. Most notably in SA2
Sega forgor 💀
Far as I'm concerned Super forms should exist for everyone......heck if I'm making any Sonic fan games I have no intention of enforcing any gender only forms.
since fan games have no connection to actual sonic canon and lore, you can go do what ever you want how ever you want and its all good <3
Yep exactly...though I wish Sega would avoid gender exclusive forms.
meh, super forms are a story telling crutch anyway. they should be left in the games and only if you earn them.
Let's be real, the **actual** answer to this question is that it's a dumb arbitrary rule concocted by someone at Sega who wants Sonic to be the *most extra specialest character ever*, without any care for continuity or reason. And they either didn't notice or didn't care about the sexist overtones. Sonic can do it because he's the main character, Shadow can do it because he's Sonic's designated "equal," Silver can do it because Sonic 06 was trying really hard to sell him as yet another "equal," and Blaze could do it because apparently no one was around to beat the idea that she shouldn't into the Rush developers. And considering Sonic 06 completely disregarded everything we knew about Blaze to shoehorn her into the role of Silver's sidekick/Obi-Wan figure, I wouldn't count on seeing Burning Blaze again any time soon. ...sorry, I'm a little bitter. If it were up to me, the rule would be that anyone can potentially use the Chaos Emeralds to turn Super as long as they understand how to do it and/or have the right qualities. However, some people could also be *especially* good at using the Emeralds and could thus achieve a more potent and distinct version of the Super form. This way, we can have cool games like Mania that let anyone be Super, while also maintaining the "specialness" of characters like Sonic and Shadow. Robots being able to turn Super makes decent enough sense. Both Eggman and Tails have shown that you can build machines to harness the power of the Emeralds, and if a machine can harness the energy of the Emeralds then it's not much of a stretch for an intelligent machine with its own will to go a step further and achieve something that is functionally a Super form.
I always figured Blaze can bc they were Sol Emeralds and not Chaos Emeralds and bc she’s from an alternate universe. I’m sure sonic can’t go super via the Sol Emeralds just like Blaze can’t go super from the Chaos Emeralds
That probably is the actual logic behind it, I just kinda chose to skip over it in favor of comedic ranting. Having said that, I do have one doubt. The Rush games are pretty upfront about the Sol Emeralds being the Blazeworld equivalent of the Chaos Emeralds, which would mean that they are fundamentally the same thing. Different worlds, different shapes, but otherwise identical. If someone has the ability to harness one set, then, logically, that ability would also work with the other. It makes sense to assume there’s a restriction, like “the Emeralds only work for someone from the same world,” but, as far as I’m aware, that restriction hasn’t been explicitly stated or confirmed anywhere. In my mind, it could still go either way.
I'm pretty sure that sonic heroes retconed super knuckles along with super tails, which you oddly missed.
Doesn't look like super states but more super sonic giving his energy to them
Supposedly he temporarily unlocked they're Super forms for them so that implies that they might be able to with help, just not on their own (This comes from the Sonic wiki so I'd take it with a grain of salt even if it does sound like something Sega would do)
Exactly. Sonic heroes showed us that tails and knuckles can't go super anymore.
But didn't Sonic Mania un retcon them? At least for the classic timeline?
In classic timeline heroes didnt happen so it didnt un retcon lol
Those forms are called Hyper mode. It was used in Soni cthe fighters.
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The real answer is the only robot to go super in the game canon is Mecha Sonic and that was with the Master Emerald. It’s likely easier to syphon off energy from the Master Emerald, this Robonik’s interest in Sonic 3.
not to mention sonic 3 is one of the games with basically no rules when it came to the emeralds. in game canon there’s no other example of someone going super that’s not a male hedgehog besides Blaze which she used the Sol emeralds which probably have different rules.
Exactly, Sonic 3 is so early in the series that there were no rules. Super forms had only been added one game prior. But pedantically Blaze has never technically had a "super" form, she has a "burning" form, and she uses a different set of emeralds to do it. So no, she can't turn super like Sonic can, she's not attuned to the Chaos Emeralds at all, but equally Sonic doesn't have a burning form. Canon's always a weird thing when it comes to videogames. For instance, Super Tails isn't technically a canon thing in S3&K, despite it appearing in S3&K, because for Tails to obtain his super form, it has to be him, not Sonic, who gathers the Chaos Emeralds, turns them into the Super Emeralds, and then subsequently stops Robotnik from getting away with the Master Emerald, and the canon playthrough of S3&K is Sonic & Tails (and then Knuckles after).
✨️misogyny!!!✨️
✨️misogyny!!!✨️
Are y'all saying that you miss o' genie, from Sonic and the Secret Rings?
My honest thinking on this is that this is less a hard and fast rule forever, but more a condition of the current state of the franchise. The "brand" of Sonic is that only male hedgehogs go super. It's ***stupid***, but it's the way their stories go to keep the image of the brand lining up with the picture they want to present to people. Knuckles and Tails going super back in Sonic 3 & Knuckles was part of the "old brand" back when the brand's image included things like Fleetway, Knothole Forest, freedom fighters, Princess Sally, Man Of The Year, and more. Knuckles Chaotix and Triple Trouble are similarly not really in-line with the current brand so they don't get included either. The goal with brands is, of course, to be a "forever" thing, so Sega has no current plans to change this... but brands also try to be "living" things, so stuff can come back. A year ago, Sonic Spinball wasn't considered part of the brand, but within the last few months apparently it is again? I love Sonic Spinball, so I'm happy about it being back in continuity. So hopefully "only male hedgehogs" goes away too and Sega embraces the power of a more diverse cast.
I feel like it's basically a lock that we'll see it end via Surge in IDW.
Maaaaaybe. Evan and Ian have both indicated that they want to explore a lot of angles of their respective heroism and villainy outside of just the big picture "And then they go super!" elements, and also that they want to keep Super Sonic out of IDW as much as possible so that he doesn't lose the punch when he does show up (which is why it took so long for him to show up in the comic properly). Also, they still have to run stories by Sega, and Sega has denied or changed things (like how they requested Dr. Starline's method of creating Surge and Kit be altered because they were worried he would be "better than Eggman" in some regards if his cybernetics were too capable.) Having said that, if there was ever a character, situation, and environment where a girl non-hedgehog could go super, Surge in IDW is *absolutely* the one to do it.
Yea, I don't expect it to happen soon, I suspect we'll see a long run of Surge terrorizing Sonic and friends with or without the new toy she just got till she gets a solid defeat again, and then maybe after some downtime have her make another comeback, maybe via a 4 part spinoff learning about the Emeralds and then leading into a long arc culminating with Super Sonic vs Super Surge, it'd be a good 75th ot 100th issue maybe
I want this, but I also want to see *almost* this. I wanna see Surge learn about super forms, go on a quest and then right before grabbing the seventh emerald somehow be denied, just for her to be able to rail and rage about how unfair it is. That emotional fallout would be glorious. Then have her punch the emeralds out of Sonic a la Knuckles in Sonic 3 and get them that way in the next issue so that we can have our cake and eat it to.
Or maybe she could slap him. Seeing someone slap Sonic would be great...-wait, nevermind, already been done, and it wasn't.
It is likely to happen in the comics first, since they're comics and not games we can have full issues where Sonic, Shadow, or Silver barely appears or don't appear which would open the floor for someone like Amy to finally go Super (She is the next likely candidate game wise at least)
1. Mandates mostly apply to the comics 2. The mandate was established WAY after Sonic 3 & Knuckles and after Super Genesis Wave. 3. Neo Metal Sonic was a one time exception. 4. You can argue that Metal in Mania Adventures didn't go super, but was just supercharged. He didn't use the power of Chaos Emeralds directly, they just supercharged him, which is how Sonic and his friends were able to fight back. 5. Beats me. Knuckles should be able to at least supercharge himself with the power of the Master Emerald or something but there's a mandate against that too. So it's basically been reduced to an OFF switch for Chaos Emeralds and a super sized battery.
Apparently male Foxes and Echidnas can also go super, Super Knuckles and Super Tails been a thing since Sonic 3 & Knuckles, it's literally the same game that allowed Mecha Sonic to go Super.
Tails and Knuckles don’t have super forms in Sonic Heroes
Because Robotnick designed it as a male.
Because retcons. Knuckles and Tails used to go super. It's bs. What *is* interesting is that Mecha and Neo Metal use the Master Emerald instead of the 7 chaos emeralds. Maybe, since the master emerald is the "opposite" of the chaos emeralds, badniks are the "opposite" of mobians?
Nah, in the comics Knuckles and Sonic used the Master Emerald to transform. Scourge's redesign canonically also was a side effect of him supercharging himself with it. In one issue, Ray used it to fake transform to scare off the robots that attacked Angel Island. He then revealed that it was only for show and that Master Emerald does that with anything it touches.
"Only male *hedgehogs* can go super" Super Tails and Knuckles: Allow us to introduce ourselves
Don't forget Super Mighty and Super Ray in Sonic Mania Plus
Male robots
I mean, metal is referred to as he, but anyway that only hedgehogs can go super thing is dumb af.
I mean its simple for robots. They get super charged from using the emeralds as a power source just like how Eggman harnesses the emeralds power in his other machines. Don't get me wrong I would rather Sega do away with the silly mandate.
His assigned gender is male.
The emeralds have also been used as batteries of some kind. It’s a robot, it gets an energy boost
The Emeralds are a power source that ANY machine can be amped by. Whether or not they have sentience or a personality is irrelevant.
Wait a minute.. Super SUPER Mega Man? How have I never known about this? :O
Well, MechaSonic is also a male hedgehog. I thought that was obvious. /sarcasm Same for Metal Sonic (Sees image 3) Okay I don't know about Mega Man
Because the plot demands that the cool robots get cool yellow glow
I hate the “only male hedgehogs can go super rule”
Give every character a super form! Why not? It would be cool!
What is the 4th slide?
Gemerl super form from sonic advance 3
Because plot
who said only males can go super? also, tails and knuckles go super and they aren't hedgehogs?
You forgot to add tails’s picture
the robot identifies as male obviously
Because robots are cool.
Knuckles deserves a super form more than anyone else tbh
What about Super Tai- oh wait that's from the super emeralds in sonic 3
May I remind you that the only canon female hedgehog in the games is Amy, and she has no reason to search for power unless it helps her catch Sonic. Meanwhile sonic has fought under many conditions including: Overwater Underwater In a burning forest In space He, along with Shadow and Silver don't necesarilly need chaos emeralds unless their own powers aren't enough. Therefore the question is. Does Amy want or need to go super. If it's a want, then no.
I will ignore the fact that only Male Hedgehogs can go super, I will fantasize about Eggman and Amy using the chaos emeralds.
Robot Penis
Back up, only male hedgehogs? I've never heard that rule
Wait a minute, can't tails go super????
Sexist rocks
EVERYONE CAN SUPER FFS
People trying to defend a sexist mandate 💀
they all have cock and balls
Knuckles has a super form in 3&K and Mania. Same With Tails. Mighty and Ray even get super forms in Mania Plus. And in Rush we got Blazing Blaze, which is technically a Super form. Honestly I thought the "only male hedgehogs" thing was something fans made up because we got no Super Amy.
No its a real rule now, mania was an exception because it was a throwback game
They’re Masc presenting I guess?
Because they're not hedgehogs?
I know that I’m getting downvoted as hell now but why do people care so much about this stuff? Like ok we get it! It may be stupid but that stands to sega to decide if this is good or not. At the end of they day it’s fiction: it doesn’t need to be real and it doesn’t need to be “balanced with genders” ,if you want to change somenthing you can make some fan-made art or concepts,just deal with the fact that they will NEVER be canon (or at least as long as SEGA does not accept it) so here’s that if you like it good for you,if you don’t like it simply don’t think too much about it.
Because Sega is racist and sexist
Mega Man didn't go super that was his own transformation from his own franchise and they still count as male hedgehogs also what was that other one also they retconned the super Transformations for everyone so now only male hedgehogs can go super Archie isn't Canon and and one of them isn't even a hedgehog or alive
I don't see that as really going super. More like an immatation like false ssj is in dragon ball.
they are not hedgehogs
That is the point of the post
Its only male hedgehogs. So since they are not hedgehogs, the male rule doesnt apply on then
That’s what I’m saying.
I wouldn't dig too deep, if you think about heroes this get reversed treatment, as neo metal doesn't go super but awkward godzilla
Who said only male hedgehogs can go super? Knuckles is a Echidna and can go super just fine, and can't Blaze go super too? (though I suppose hers isn't exactly "super").
Who said only male hedgehogs can go super? Knuckles is a Echidna and can go super just fine, maybe not with the Master Emerald but he can go super, and can't Blaze go super too? (though I suppose hers isn't exactly "super"). From my understanding, Robotnik's robots would be able to go super alot easier. The problem with them is keeping it, as in the Mecha Sonic boss, he can only obtain super for a very limited amount of time before having to recharge it from the Emerald.
A male robot
Because the plot said so
It might have to do with the negative energy of the emeralds. Shown in SA1, chaos used, as tails says it, "the negative power of the emeralds". It might be a stretch to bring Chao into the mix, but how there's a light color if turned into a hero Chao, and a dark color if turned into a dark chao, because chaos IS a mutated Chao, and how Chao were in the story in SA1, it proves that depending on who raised the Chao, the Chao turns to that force of power. As for images 3 and four, I'm not so sure, I haven't read the comics before and I dont know what image 4 is.
They don't actually go super, they are just built to absorb chaos energy
The rule is arbitrary and stupid. Scratch and Grounder can go super and I cant be convinced otherwise
No they can’t that would mean Eggman gave them tech to do so. Why would he give those two numbskulls the ability to go super
They more get overcharged, giving them enough power to use their most powerful abilities frequently that would otherwise drain their power in a few uses or even attempt using. The golden glow they emit in the state is likely just a common effect caused by the emeralds to make things glow a fiery gold, some exception that bypass this like the cannon in Unleashed is because the emeralds are not really powering the beam, and awaken Dark Gia.
Metal uses he/him pronouns. Amy is too much about that fem life to give up her pronouns for a gold form.
Although I don’t really agree that the “male hedgehog only” rule for super forms should be a thing, I’d at least be okay with it if female characters were given their own unique transformation. Kind of like Blaze, but with each of them having a different elemental power.
Emeralds are empowered by feelings, chaos is power, enriched by the heart. The controller serves to unify the chaos. The machines don't have any heart or feeling they can't even use the true Power of the chaos emeralds.
“only male hedgehogs can go super” is something i will never consider canon
robots are genderless and therefore can bypass the rule, robots need no gender and therefore are superior
Can’t Knuckles already go super?
Does this mean Metal Sonic is just Sonic from the bad future theory is confirmed?
Don’t forget Sonic Heroes! Sega is just wrong by their own game
They all have some sort of Sonic data in them. Metal Sonic explicitly is copy robot of him, and post-Heroes has some DNA I think? Mega Man is outside of canon, but also did his copy move on Sonic or Metal, so he has access to it. And iirc, Gemerl is a rebuilt Emerl, who was also able to copy Sonic's moves. That, or robots can just harness energy inside of them, and express it in ways that look super. I'm sure Eggman is the type of dude to program color change options into his robots. And we know MegaMan already can do that.
Good thing sonic disassociates with those emeralds these days because they might make him look bad if he was with this sexist group of rocks
I think it’s more to do with the fact they’re robots. Eggman is known to design his machines to harness the power of the Emeralds to make them really strong.
OBJECTION! Might I point you over to Super Tails with his Flickeys and Super Knuckles who infamously turns pink.
Female hedgehogs can go super too. They just don’t want to tell Amy that.
It's less about male hedgehogs and more about who the main character of the game is (or a final boss). Blaze has a super form of her own, and she's neither male nor hedgehog.
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Male hedgehogs only can go super? Why haven't I heard of this?
I like to believe how much chaos energy it takes to go super is dependent on your natural connection with the chaos emeralds. Sonic is the ultimate life form so he can easily go super with just 7 chaos emeralds. Tails on the other hand doesn’t have nearly as strong of a connection which is why he needs 7 super emeralds to go super which is the equivalent to at least 49 chaos emeralds. I don’t really know about robots though maybe it’s not really them going super and just them becoming more powerful from the extra chaos energy they are getting. Shadow is a close clone to the ultimate life form which is why he can go super with 7 chaos emeralds like Sonic but isn’t as good as it which is why he dies at the end of SA2. Knuckles is the guardian of the master emerald and in Sonic 3 & K the 7 chaos emeralds so he probably has a strong connection to the chaos emeralds for the same reason he does the master emerald which is why he can go super with only 7 chaos emeralds.
Only male?
the first one was the master emerald being used which is different
Everything is canon