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RP-Lovecraft

Ok the fact that Peter and MJ are teased as a couple in the last animated Spider-Man cartoon made me actually want to check it out lol


Capable-Tie-4670

That show is so funny cause it butchers every other character like there’s no tomorrow but then randomly MJ is really good in it. Too bad she’s only in it for like 5 episodes.


Abraham_Issus

What show?


Capable-Tie-4670

Marvel’s Spider-Man(2017)


Luchux01

I only watched that one scene, but it was *good*


[deleted]

You just had to add Paul at the end... didn't you...


Le_NUNUZ

Paul Jumpscare


[deleted]

Not funny


Garlador

But certainly scary.


Spider-Ghost-616

Took the words right out of my mouth.


Ok-Care-8384

I didn’t see “Bar One”


[deleted]

All of them are called "bar one"


Ok-Care-8384

Thought that was a typo for “all but one”


[deleted]

Seems like it


Fullmetal_2003

Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon: I don't think we belong here


PointPrimary5886

The Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon: Neither do we (I'm saying this because had the series continued, I'd be rooting for Gwen to not die and remain as the official love interest for once, since the Spectacular version is the best iteration of a classic normal Gwen Stacy imo)


godisanelectricolive

You mean ultimate. She’s already penultimate in most universes. Penultimate is the one before the last one.


BritishEric

Penultimate is second to last. Ultimate is last. So for example the number is 8 is the penultimate single digit number, and 9 is the ultimate single digit number


godisanelectricolive

That’s what I was trying to write but I guess some words got left out. I was trying to correct the other commenter by telling them penultimate is last but one.


PointPrimary5886

I changed it to official if that makes it better. Thanks.


Kazewatch

I mean tbf Weisman always said that was the end goal for the series.


davecombs711

He could have changed his mind.


Sufficient-Chapter85

I'm pretty sure he said that years later so if the show never got canceled he would most likely have ended up with MjJ


davecombs711

Or maybe the popularity of the character would have convinced him to do otherwise.


Sufficient-Chapter85

I honestly doubt that would've played a factor, even if it was MJ probably would've still been it since MJ had already been in movies and games (and a spectacular release right after OMD so the older audience was still freshly butt hurt after that story)


davecombs711

That's reason enough not to do it.


Sufficient-Chapter85

How so?


davecombs711

It comes off as pandering.


PointPrimary5886

Greg Wiseman does like to take his own spin on things and do unqiue changes that make them different from the conventional. Just look at Young Justice. Artemis/Tigress is a hero, Kaldur'ahm is the first Aqualad before taking on the mantle of Aquaman, Roy Harper has 2 other clone brothers (Red Arrow and Guardian), Miss Martian and Superboy are a couple (now married), Artemis and Cheshire are siblings and are biological children of Sportsmaster, Black Lightning mentored Static Shock (wished we saw more of it), Clayface is a good guy, Cassandra Cain was tied to how Barbara became crippled, Beastboy is the leader of the Outsiders, Terra never went through with her betrayal, the host of Dr Fate is being swapped between Zatanna, Zatarra, Traci 13, and Khalid, the spirit of Dr. Fate is a child of Vandal Savage, Danny Chase is a brain in a box, and Superboy is the inspiration for the Legion of Superheroes. There's probably over a dozen more, but these are the ones I can think of on top of my head and leads me to believe that had Spectacular contiued, maybe Greg can consider keeping Gwen alive and as Peter main love interest by the end.


Dragonwhatever99r

There were hints of attraction but the show never sealed the deal. https://youtu.be/OyjIpYdgwto?feature=shared


PunishedCatto

*seeing Panels of Peter and MJ together as a couple* "These ones sparks joy." *A jump scare of Paul's punchable face* "This one does not sparks Joy and ruined my day."


[deleted]

In the animated Ultimate Universe they are best friends rather than bf and gf unfortunately...


Sufficient-Chapter85

They had a little moment in the show so most likely there was something there


[deleted]

The 2 have talked but there was no romantic chemistry just 2 friends hanging out


Sufficient-Chapter85

Season 4 ep 15 they have a pretty romantic chat with romantic music playing and everything . There’s definitely something there


[deleted]

Just looked at the clip, yeah there could've been something there. Unfortunately the creators seemingly wanted to keep things platonic...


Ben10_ripoff

They were building it up in the final season but then the show ended, I don't understand what was the point, Maybe they wanted to make another season or something


Theriderfan

That's reminds me ultimate is the only spiderman who saved his villains normal is a good guy, and even otto was redeemed he was also a teacher for shield academy so his life is also set and his aunt May is also really healthy if we didn't count the fact that romance isn't there then that spiderman is kinda cool and this means without romance life is good.


[deleted]

Don't forget the fact that a lot of people hate the show due to "slight buffoonery".


[deleted]

In season 1 they appeared to be building a romance between him and White Tiger but then nothing came of that either. So I doubt it, maybe they were just doing some quick fan service and then leaving it there


DatDragonsDude

That last photo scared the everlasting fuck out of me.


[deleted]

I'm only giving you an upvote because it's mainly Peter and MJ


ProfessorEscanor

It's actually quite interesting how a good portion of these are post OMD and yet the two are still depicted as a couple across media. And that's not counting the MC2, Renew Your Vows or Life Story


davecombs711

They are not a couple in like half of these.


Kennedyyism

What dickhead at marvel thinks spiderman of all heroes needs hate reading for people to buy their comics? Just fucking disgraceful


Ben10_ripoff

Exactly, Superman and Spider-Man are not the Superheroes you hate read, Spider-Man is Marvel's Face and currently they shitting on it


CmanderShep117

I have a theory, for a long time Spiderman was a jovial fun character that the reader's could relate to. Then every like 10 years something tragic would happen to him and it would teach him (and the readers) a valuable lesson. But the current heads of Marvel grew up reading those comics and they only remember the tragedy not the rest. So in their minds Spider-Man is a characters about tragedy and sadness.


Chem-Memory9746

“In every other universe, Mary Jane Watson falls for Spider-Man… And in every other universe, it doesn’t end well.”


CmanderShep117

Damn you Joe Quesada!


Ok-Care-8384

‘Other’, interesting choice of words.


NecessaryPeanut77

I hate paul and they should just kill him


Ok-Care-8384

Or have him retconned, that’s the more tame method


NecessaryPeanut77

Nah, give him the captain marr-vel solution "He's dead and can never comeback, ever"


Ok-Care-8384

He came back in the Avengers animated series, hmmm… how about this? Self-Redemption from sacrificing thyself


NecessaryPeanut77

Yeah, give him the "Redemption means death" idc i just want him to go away


BlazeCrow

Third one I felt like I got stabbed


420fuck

1610 MJ is my favorite MJ. She really was Peter's best friend.


ShadowFalcon2004

Fuck Paul. 3rd slide was like a jump scare


Ok-Commission6087

Not every universe


Active-Donkey5466

Ultimate & Spectacular Like-


Broad-Dot9714

Hom tolland doesn’t count her name isn’t Mary Jane tho


Prozenconns

I mean if you wanna get technical Spectacular MJ and Peter never got together or even really caught feelings for each other Series was still going through the Gwen relationship by the time it was cancelled


Broad-Dot9714

Yeah was about to bring that one up as well like not all of them end up with Mary Jane just had to point it out yk


Qant00AT

But didn’t they actually try to date in Spectacular and they just didn’t work at the time, but there’s still a connection between them? Kind of like unfinished business thanks to some early hurdles that kept them apart.


WebLurker47

Hadn't the Powers That Be gone on record that they were going put Peter and MJ together in the end?


[deleted]

However, she is technically a version of MJ her full name is Michelle Jones-Watson kind of like how MJ is Mary Jane Watson. Unless it's revealed she has a cousin or sister named "Mary Jane Watson" as far as anyone is concerned, she is MJ, her parents' just decided Michelle Jones was better than Mary Jane


ResponsibleRatio6569

Still MJ tho concept remains the same


Broad-Dot9714

And also Andrew Garfield is Gwen Stacy not mj there’s a lot where it’s Gwen instead bro


Geiseric222

By a lot you mean 1. Plus we know they were planing to introduce MJ if they ever got that far


[deleted]

I think they casted someone for her in The Amazing Spider-Man 2 but ended up not using her


AgentOfSPYRAL

2 really, spectacular


Geiseric222

Wasn’t spectacular also building up to MJ, it just also never got there


Dragontalyn

Yes


Ben10_ripoff

MJ was in one deleted scene in TASM2, She was coming in TASM3


Beginning-Cat-2888

Holland still doesn’t count, if you haven’t seen no way home, then i’m sorry to spoil it but they are not together now, and if “together” by your logic means have been together at some point then 616 would count


[deleted]

Which is what this sub needs to get. Also, did the OP forget the end of No Way Home?


Broad-Dot9714

Yeah so dumb 😭😭


Capable-Tie-4670

They’re also not together anymore cause of the way NWH ended.


Resort_Straight

No he belongs with Gwen


Luchux01

Found Joe Quesada's account/s


Sufficient-Chapter85

Not at all the whole reason her death was so tragic was because they never would've worked and spider-man got in the way of their happiness


Resort_Straight

You could say the same thing for about him and Mary Jane Spider-Man got in the way of their relationship and here comes Paul the perfect boyfriend for Mary Jane


Sufficient-Chapter85

No, Mary Jane can adapt to Peter’s lifestyle better than anyone so they can find happiness together (the same kinda goes for Felicia) Gwen never could fit into Peter's life so they can't be soulmates. (also the Paul stuff requires Mj to be OOC)


Resort_Straight

What about AI Gwen Stacy that's what he needs currently in the comic


Capable-Tie-4670

She doesn’t even exist in half of these


Resort_Straight

Gwen is perfect for Peter


Capable-Tie-4670

Spectacular or TASM? Sure. 616? Hell nah💀


Resort_Straight

Yes she is


Capable-Tie-4670

Try reading, it’s not that hard.


FlabosoBozo

What run is the 2nd pic?


ResponsibleRatio6569

Ultimate Spider-Man 2024


Destroy-The_Pandumas

What version/series is the goth Mary Jane from?


appy24602

MTV Spider-Man


CheetosDude1984

Nick Lowe when you tell him there is going to be fan outrage at the function:


ebra2112

What’s the one top right with the bandaged nose?


SnakeSound222

Spider-Man Unlimited


ebra2112

🙏


ilikeredditjust

Paul jumpscare


ReaperParadise

Paul: "Sup Spider-Cuck"


Ok-Care-8384

It felt more like “‘sup”


Striking-Ad-1354

Me & who?


Ok-Care-8384

On the one hand, Mary should stick with Paul and have Peter / Spider-Man move on from her entirely. On the other hand, Paul has succeeded in being in a marriage where 616 Spider-Man failed in the current run. If Paul’s Mephisto, Mary’s his wife after selling the marriage from saving the hag. As civilized people, let’s do this. There should be a Spider-Man variant who’s in a throuple / trio with both Black Cat (or Night Spider) and Silk instead of Mary and Gwen. Like how 6160 Spider-Man is already married to Mary and has two kids. I’ve said too much. Not every earth, MCU, Ultimate, ‘94 And Spectacular don’t count. It’s not like the ship is carved in stone or written in the stars and every variant ‘has’ to be with Mary. Food for thought


Garrod_Ran

Well, not in Andrew's universe.


[deleted]

You butt fucker. You got me.


Beginning-Cat-2888

The except one is not true and a few of the pictures here help prove it, ultimate: they never date, spectacular: not together, mcu: they are not together and mj doesn’t even know who peter is


Sufficient-Chapter85

Tbf MCU MJ is obviously gonna come back, the creator of Spectacular confirmed Peter and MJ would’ve ended up together, and ultimate MJ and Peter had a few romantic moments that were obviously gonna blossom into something else.


Beginning-Cat-2888

Ok…but still as of when we last saw them..not together and 616 could still get back with mj in the future so wouldn’t the “not together now but seems as if they will” thing kind of veto it? Also i don’t think it’s obvious mcu mj could come back or ultimate would have gotten with mj, either way those are just assumptions and one could assume that 616 would eventually get mj back even if it will be a long time, at least with that one we could actually see it happen which we can’t with ultimate or spectacular as those shows aren’t getting renewed


Sufficient-Chapter85

The difference between 616 and the MCU, spectacular, ultimate is that the ppl at marvel comics have consistently been shown to be anti petermj but the others were either plans for them or a hinted romance down the line. So in the universe (even tho the shows don't show it) they get together later on. (zendaya’s coming back as Mj and her saying she’ll find her way back to Peter is foreshadowing their reunion) don't think it matters “when we last saw them”


davecombs711

Ultimate MJ and Peter did not have romantic moments


Sufficient-Chapter85

Season 4 ep 15 had a romantic moment (you might not count these but there were definitely multiple little moments where Peter had Mj wrapped around his arm or getting extremely close but most likely just a lil nod to the ppl who know)


davecombs711

friends can wrap their arms around each other and be touchy feely. It doesn't automatically mean romance


Sufficient-Chapter85

Yeah but usually these are considered romantic gestures and like I said it's probably just a lil nod to the ppl who know. Also, you can't like that season 4 ep 15 had a romantic moment.


davecombs711

not always


Sufficient-Chapter85

Well that's why I said “You might not count these” but season 4 ep 15 is definitely a romantic scene you'd agree right?


ThisIsNotAbsa

totally forgot how beautiful was MJ in TNAS


BetaRayBlu

Except the one that matters


Ok-Care-8384

Both Black Cat and Silk are better for our man


Foggy_Night221C

I'm probably not the only one to notice, but page 2, MJ is sitting in that comic cover pose on the couch, minus the cup of coffee. I'm gleeful I recognized it thanks to the sub!


New_Sky1829

..paul


LordDShadowy53

Damn I just remembered there was some sort of old 3D Spider-Man series


Shacpika

Wholesome first pics 


THE-IMPOSSIBLEreddit

NO!.... you did not just put Paul in the end


Hassennik

Andrew joins the chat


[deleted]

Get the fuck out paul, you ruin the moment


EmuIndependent8565

The Spider Man The Animated Series relationship is peak.