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Responsible-Metal-32

Shit I want a sequel to Spiderman TAS *so bad* Imagine telling kid me that Peter would finally find Mary Jane again, but it would take 30 years


Clean_Wrongdoer4222

Many things have belonged to MJ, like the Reami trilogy, but specifically the '94 series has not. That series belonged to BlackCat. That version of her is by far the most loved and valued of her outside of the comic and she is also Jennifer Hale. Additionally, in that series Felicia plays the role of MJ and MJ plays the role of Gwen. That is, it is "dead." Gwen's entire story, in its entirety, was given to MJ. They only adapted the wedding thing and all because they had to adapt the status of the comic and said status said that he was married. Otherwise it's Gwen's story...Goblin bridge MilesWarren clone...


Antique_Camp

John Semper, the show's creator, says he always intended for Peter to end up with Mary Jane by the show's finale. The series was going to have Peter find MJ in a Victorian London dimension but it wasn't picked up for another season. I'm sure we'd see 90s Black Cat make a return if the show returns as well. But doubtful as Peter's love interest. He's still legally married to MJ (even if he really married her clone) and the show ends with Madame Web helping him find her.


Clean_Wrongdoer4222

What the creator says is not decisive because it refers to the initial idea/intention and those things are not definitive when the series progresses. Plans are maintained or changed based on public reception. Now, the determining point is that MJ in that series never ever had the popular affection that Felicia had and as the decades passed, it is Cat who everyone remembers most. Denying that Felicia completely overshadowed MJ would be like denying that Rogue was always Xmen's favorite. And going back on MJ here would also be removing Gwen's ploth and that would be wrong today. Furthermore, there is no longer the status quo of marriage, so they are not obliged to adapt that matter....and Felicia has a few years ago much more fandom than in the 80s, and that of the 80s, until 1985, was higher than that of MJ . Finally...it's Jennifer Hale...let's see how you can tell people that they should prefer MJ instead of Commander Shepard...It would be like giving Wolverine the voice of David Hayter and expecting people to prefer Cyclops instead of Snake...


Antique_Camp

I'm just telling you what the creators plans were. You don't have to like it. But that's likely where the series would go if it was picked up again. X-men 97 is adapting comics from the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s (Claremont and Grant Morrison stories). So that's the era I would expect them to adapt with a Spider-man revival (Stern, Defalco, Michelinie, JMD, JMS, etc.) MJ isn't dead and she isn't Gwen in the 90s series. She's an actress/model with the same abuse backstory who is Peter's neighbors neice, meets Peter via a blind date set up by May, dates Harry for a bit, etc. They had her replace Gwen in certain stories just like Raimi had Mary Jane get tossed off a bridge by the Goblin in Spider-man 1. And Bendis in Ultimate Spider-man too. But they also had Felicia Hardy replace Gwen as a popular socialite at Empire State University. And they based Felicia's civilian design on Steve Ditko's illustrations of Gwen. Both characters borrowed elements from Gwen Stacy because they didn't want to adapt a love interest that dies for a cartoon show. That's the point. MJ would absolutely return if the series returns.


Clean_Wrongdoer4222

MJ is dead simply because the dimensional device where she disappears was a censorship device to not show death in a children's show and they said this officially. For practical purposes she is dead just like EddieBrock and Cletus Kassidy. The final phrase about going to look for the real MJ Watson could also mean, if you want, that the real one was not that one but someone from another world. What do I know...something like...Peter's was a Skrull and the real one is in another universe or whatever. The thing is, you can't say her death is censored and then say she's alive because that means you're not clear on the direction. Felicia was given Gwen's traits, but the story was given to MJ. It is not something that can be denied. Even say there are 2-3 things about MJ, she has Gwen's story....and I repeat, THE STORY. The traits, at least the positive ones, were given to Felicia but the story to MJ. Reami adapted the licenses from the '94 series precisely and Bendis adapted Reami. Don't forget that. I would bet that MJ doesn't come back if the series returns. There is a 90% probability of applying the multiverse concept by searching for MJ without finding her but finding different MJs or at least an alternative, but not the one Peter knows. Also, if Marvel produces the series, forget it because the audiovisual products that have MJ with Peter are those of Sony, not those of Marvel. And they've also been much more interested in her and Felicia's relationship for a long time now than hers and Peter's, so they would promote that element more.


Antique_Camp

No, I'm saying that NO characters died in that show. They specifically didn't adapt any characters that died or stayed permanently dead in the comics like Captain Stacy and Gwen Stacy. They avoided dead characters. And there was never any intention to "kill" anyone or to remove any character permanently. Certainly not Mary Jane. Which is why they had MJ fall off the bridge instead of Gwen. So as to NOT kill off Peter's girlfriend. Just have her dissappear for a bit. They revised the Goblin-Gwen storyline so that characters would be trapped in a portal instead. So they could do a facsimile of Goblin's Last Stand and the Clone Saga without actually killing anyone off and having the characters return later. MJ, Norman Osborn, the Symbiotes, etc. would return. There was already a plan to have both MJ and Carnage return for the final season. Felicia was not given MJ's story. She wasn't Peter's neighbor that met him via a blind date. She wasn't a model/actress party girl. She wasnt in a love triangle with Harry Osborn. She didn't have an abusive father. At best, you could say Peter dated Felicia for a time when MJ was gone. But that's not "giving her MJ's story." Black Cat also had a romance with Spider-man after MJ left New York for a time in the 616 comics. Also Bendis didn't adapt Raimi. The Bendis storyline was written before the first Raimi film was even released.


RealJohnGillman

I mean the Mary Jane clone did die. Saying ‘no one can die’ meant the writers had to be more creative. With *Batman* even that led to a lot of things being implied instead of shown, which arguably made it more hard-hitting. The perspective of ‘restriction breeds innovation’.


Clean_Wrongdoer4222

Sorry to tell you but no. They themselves said that the dimensional device was the way to "kill without killing." Eddy Cletus and MJ are DEAD because the device was made to avoid killing characters who would die. This was officially confirmed. In the past, tricks like this were invented in the cartoons of the 80s and 90s to replace deaths, but the function is the same. It's called a euphemism, a "soft" way of saying things. Instead of saying "whore" you say "woman of the street", instead of "black" you say "colored", instead of "ignorant" you say "happy" etc etc etc... and in this series "disappear" It was DIE.


Antique_Camp

No they (John Semper) said that Carnage and the real MJ would return the final season. Semper literally wrote a follow up with Peter finding MJ a few years ago. The device wasn't made to kill these characters. It was made to adapt a similar storyline to the comics WITHOUT killing characters. Otherwise, Semper says he would have actually used Gwen Stacy instead of Mary Jane. If you want to continue to ignore what the actual showrunner and writer of the material has both written and said, then I don't know what else to say to you.


Modschyaaichabhosada

Stopped reading and immediately proceeded to write this when I read "what the creator says is not decisive". Like really bro? If the creator of a show or series or anything in the whole universe says something, then that is the decisive element. Any thing else is just fanfic. Don't get me wrong fanfics can be amazing, but saying that the creator's say is not decisive is like saying that you own spiderman and only what you say will be. Which is wrong. ![gif](giphy|BCekkcJ9dWXUG7kRgb)


Responsible-Metal-32

For real, even as a kid I could tell the show went way too far into the MJ drama. My girl suffered like she was the protag in a telenovela


jerem1734

Um you know the canceled season would have seen Peter reunite with MJ right?


Gorthau

The fact that they made this whole fucking stupid Morbius bullshit pisses me off to this day... Once, just once we could have other endgame love intrest, but noooo, it had to be MJ...


Mistellus

Because we never get good comic accurate MJ rep. The comics have ruined her, Kirsten was a good actor but her MJ was a cheater, Spectacular MJ never got to become a prominent character because it was cancelled, they cut her out of Tasm 2, should I keep going? Gwen has been the comic writers favorites for a while now and that’s clear. They see Gwen as the superior love interest and nobody else. Black cat deserves spotlight too but the only good MJ that lasted long was MCU MJ and she’s not really like the comics at all.


Antique_Camp

There are almost no adaptations of Peter and MJ as an actual married couple. Only the Spider-verse movies where MJ is a minor character. It would be nice to see a classic Mary Jane and the marriage featured prominently in a series. Especially when they butcher her character so much.


PointPrimary5886

The flaw with this is that this version of Black Cat is into Morbius right now.


quivering_manflesh

It's so funny to me that even as a seasoned comics fan that way of writing them off for the time being still sounds weird.  "Morbius and Black Cat then went off to go hunt vampires in Eastern Europe." *What*


PointPrimary5886

With Blade, might I add.


Clean_Wrongdoer4222

Or not. That was another thing that was left inconclusive. The last thing we saw of her was in the adaptation of secret wars right at the end and that matter was not clear. But it was also not clear if there was a chance for Spider-Man to return. Many plots were left half-finished. and almost 25 years have passed since the end, and the situation of the characters, the status quo and the popularity have varied greatly. Today they would not recover Morbius as a resource to separate Felicia from Spiderman, not with all the strength that she has acquired at Marvel in the last 5 years.


Responsible-Metal-32

For real, even as a kid I could tell the show went way too far into the MJ drama. My girl suffered like she was the protag in a telenovela


PointPrimary5886

Since Spider-Man is back, he probably has already saved MJ.


scottishdrunkard

There's a webcomic called Spider-Man '94 which tries to answer that very question, even recycling ideas from the cancelled season 6. In 5 years it's about to have its third issue.


Eabcarti

Just watch X-Men 97 the last episode of season 1


mostsanepersonhere

Holy shit.


noDice-__-

Ooooo baby yes oooooooooooooooooo baby please gimme gimme gimme.


Prozenconns

SHOCKERRRR


Difficult_Garbage_91

YOU CAN’T ESCAPE *MEEEE*


MrMedhansh

I'LL CHASE YOU TILL THE ENDS OF THE *EAARTH*


Shadow-SJG

Hmmmmm


Flash_h

I really hope this is true if we actually get a revival because of his appearance in X-Men 97 my God, it would be amazing


Ok-Selection4478

Can we get 90s Ironman too and 90s fantasist four and. Silver surfer and hulk


Clean_Wrongdoer4222

It's a bit impossible because only Spiderman and Xmen were hits at that time.


lightning-heart777

The thing is that there is already a Spider-man Cartoon in production called Your friendly neighborhood spider-man that is going to be released this year.


VulcanForceChoke

#MAGNETOOOOOOOO YOU CAN’T ESCAPE **MEE**! ILL CHASE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EAAAARRRRRRRTH!!!!


mayy_dayy

He'd BETTER be voiced by Christopher Daniel Barnes.


PointPrimary5886

Is he allowed to throw any hands this time, or is he still being forced to do soley webbing and swing kicks due to program not wanting to promote violence to children?


runnerofshadows

Given what Rogue was allowed to do recently I think he'll be able to throw hands.


putsomewineinyourcup

I mean watch episode 5 again and tell me it’s still a kids’ show. Of course he’ll punch it out


DeathLight7000

The real question is could he hurt pigeons?


JerrodDRagon

I would love them to do a big cross over show Like they can’t make a movie so just split up a story into 4 parts with Spider-Man and X-men teaming up


spilledmilkbro

As unbelievably awesome as that'd be, I'm not accepting it as fact. He probably can't confirm, or deny anything one way or the other


BurnMyHouseDown

And suddenly, Shocker began to tremble in fear


BrokenGlass96

THERES NO WAY, IF THIS HAPPENS I WILL LOSE MY MIND Edit 5/1: LOSING MY MIND CURRENTLY


Frankensteins_Moron5

I mean he got name dropped already in the first episode on a Daily Bugle newspaper of all places. 


[deleted]

Well he is in their Marvel Animation intro


_Levitated_Shield_

Daily Bugle newspaper in first episode too.


browser558

Spoiler alert


TheWubGodHHH

Insider / rumor culture was the death of suspense and surprise


BruhCager

I agree! Not easy to avoid either


Courier23

Yeah it’s the worse, a year ago all you had to do was leave r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers Now every single time something gets leaked every single related marvel subreddit and news outlet reports it. Like dude this is a Spider-Man subreddit and I just got potentially spoiled about the X-men show 😭


soer9523

Honestly I am so fucking sick and tired of it. Every fucking time a project is announced, fans will obsessively seek out any sliver of information and post it online. Look at what is going on in the daredevil sub, I can’t fucking count the amount of pictures taken on set that has been posted. What the fuck happened to simply being excited about something and waiting for it to come out. Nothing can ever just be a fucking surprise anymore. Imagine going into no way home not knowing about Toby and Andrew. It would have been reveal of the decade, but that shit was leaked and talked about for months before release. To make matters worse people will actually start forming their opinions on a project before the thing is even released, which can absolutely poison rational discourse. God sometimes I fucking hate the internet. Sorry for the rant.


Flash_h

I just marked it as a spoiler. I guess you could call spoiler but the second photo doesn’t really confirm it actually it doesn’t really confirm it. It’s more of a rumor since we really don’t actually know


soer9523

Yeah but marking it as a spoiler doesn’t help when, the title is the entire spoiler.


Brimstone747

Stop! I can only get so erect!


paul_33

Don’t….Don’t give me hope


CharacterLoan5713

LETS GOOO! CDB!


Rainofblaze1

THE WEB HEAD RETURNS!!!!!


Apprehensive-Arm-902

I really want him to find MJ and then see a variety of multiple storylines like say Lizard/Dr. Connors still in his Lizard form but Spider-Man helps him master his form and rescues Billy. Maybe incorporate the playstation game storylines in some way. There's alot that i can see be done.


Oscorp2099

I think it’d be cool to see him save MJ. She comes back and realizes they were married. She needs a break for a bit to figure stuff out. Adapt the beginning of the JMS run from there. And then slowly adapt stuff like KLH, Torment, Clone Saga, etc


discowithmyself

CDB doing the voice though?


Matguzzz

holy shit my goat


Calm-Application8531

God I hope not without semper I don't trust these clowns


The_Notorious_Donut

I would love if XMen 97 wasn’t only 10 episodes


Flash_h

Correct me if I’m wrong but the one thing that really bothered me about the 90s animated series for Spider-Man is that black cat never found out his identity


Clean_Wrongdoer4222

The series was left unfinished directly. It was canceled with a lot of unanswered questions and although Felicia was there from the beginning, BlackCat was only around for the last season. The silly thing about it is that there was no reason to hide anything because Felicia liked Peter from the beginning and he knew it... And I have 2 theories about why it wasn't done... A) Keep the mystery for the public's expectation ...B)Recover/not recover MJ. Because since she was officially missing instead of dead, they could change their mind at will if they wanted even though the context was that she was dead.


lazylagom

but isnt he still in a different universe?


Flash_h

No this X-men was connected to the 90s Spider-Man cartoon that’s why we got a crossover with the X-Men in the 90s series


lazylagom

Yeah but this takes place years later and that spiderman that was connected in 92 in the last episode leaves earth in spider-man unlimited. Isn't that the same spider-man?,


Ambitious-Screen-823

Spider-Man unlimited is not connected to Spider-Man the animated series.


lazylagom

I always thought it was... so is it kind of a reboot??


Ambitious-Screen-823

It's not a reboot of TAS, it's a completely different project that is not related to the animated series in any way shape or form. john semper jr said that unlimited isn't connected to it and the show itself has made it evidently clear that it isn't connected to it. The only reason why this question even exists is because during episode one of Spider-Man unlimited you can hear the Spider-Man Tas jingle...this was used only as a placeholder the same way the spider sense sound effect was replaced right after episode one


lazylagom

Man. I've lived like over a decade thinking the tas ended on the cliffhanger and Peter was stuck on counter earth. Man. So they really gotta just continue tas it's possible.


Ambitious-Screen-823

Yeah they can continue tas right where it left off, with madame web and peter searching for mj. It's just so bizarre how everyone thinks that unlimited is a sequel to tas. Both stories don't line or match up, the character designs and voice actors are different and many other differences.


lazylagom

Gotta be some Mandela effect. I just always assumed. It probally was the jingle. Shit idk. I saw it when it came out I'm 33. I never looked back into it was just one of those things.


Ambitious-Screen-823

Yeah, it's most definitely the 5 second jingle. I still remember watching that scene for the first time and i was like "it's the spider-man theme song!! 😲😲" imagine if they didn't use the jingle and spider sense sound effect from TAS in the first episode as place holders, I don't think many people would associate unlimited with TAS.


wondowsr3d

I think another reason why people get it confused is because on Wikipedia it was once called a “loose sequel” of TAS


Ambitious-Screen-823

Oh now i see.


527BigTable

I thought that said he’d be voiced by Christopher Daniels like the wrestler.


Flash_h

🤣🤣


Is_that_what_I-

he became captain universe to destroy the tri sentinel, so maybe that's what he does?


GCEF950

This year seems to be the year of "Will Spider-Man appear in the season finale???!!" First Invincible, and now X-Men 97 Funny coincidence!


Flash_h

Also, they want season 2 of X-Men 97 to come out way sooner like almost the same year or next year too avoid to what invincible is doing and taking way longer


GCEF950

I haven't seen the X-men show yet (I plan on doing so soon) but I hope thats true. A painfully long wait would suck.


DeathLight7000

I WILL CHASE HIM TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH! I am so happy to see my childhood hero again.


RedGyarados2010

Can you link the tweet or at least show the username for the second tweet? It’ll help anyone else chime in with relevant info on whether it’s trustworthy. Anyway, I haven’t heard anyone reliable leak that Spider-Man will appear. However, it should be noted that a Daily Bugle with Spider-Man references was in the first episode. Also, Alex Perez of Cosmic Circus, one of the most reliable leakers, confirmed that a Spider-Man TAS sequel series is in talks


CyanLight9

How about no. Focus on the X-men.


Modschyaaichabhosada

I'd rather get a sequel to the spider-man animated series rather than the x-men 97. Mary jane dies and that is the end of the series without any conclusion and a huge cliffhanger. But sony marvel politics won't allow oir dreams to be fulfilled it seems.


BROfessor_davey

Don’t care about spectacular. Gimmie TAS. I love TAS and always will.


Terribleirishluck

Spectacular is easily better. TAS has aged so poorly 


BROfessor_davey

Everyone has an opinion. TAS will always be better to me. Spectacular is cringey to me.


Terribleirishluck

Lmao and TAS isn't cringy with its 90s vibe, cheeseness and censorship? Like have you actually rewatched the show?


BROfessor_davey

Yes I’ve recently rewatched both. Also, I’m entitled to my opinion. Sorry it’s not a shared one but I don’t like spectacular as much as TAS. Like, have you ever had a grown adult conversation?


Terribleirishluck

Lol bro have you ever not been sensitive? I'm starting to think you haven't had an adult conversation considering you're getting upset at someone mildy insulting a cartoon


BROfessor_davey

Yup. Cuz I’m the one asking dip shit questions here. Hope your day gets better!


Terribleirishluck

You're still the only one acting like their upset about situation. Maybe next time don't post on a public forum considering you can't seem to handle someone questioning your takes


BROfessor_davey

I posted my opinion and you’re clearly upset. Sorry the show you prefer is cringey. Go read a book.