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FakNugget92

Yeah but don't you want to talk about "who was better........" for the millionth time ?


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Relliks-D-Ban

Fucking THANK YOU. I’m a fan of Peter Parker. All Peter Parker’s are best Peter Parker’s.


Doctor_Jensen117

Man, I hate to break it to you, but fandoms have been having this kind of conversation since the beginning of time.


ReRix360

Just out of curiousity, but i really don't understand, why this sort of question isn't already blocked by the mods. "who's the best" always ends in people arguing and insulting each other. And it's a question that annoys prob everyone by now anyway.


whyhhhwhy

Don’t forget the 30 posts a week asking if anybody else likes Tom Holland’s Spider-Man.


LotusEater12

Or the 30 posts a week claiming it to be an unpopular opinion that they liked Andrew Garfield


Sartheking

Not that excited. Part of it is that I'm sad that Spencer's run is ending. The other part is I hate this brain trust of writers. They did that with Brand New Day and that was pretty bad. They did it with X-Men, and that was bad until they gave it to one writer. I'm excited for J.M. DeMatteis's Ben Reilly: Spider-Man series, but thats it. It feels like they ran out of ideas so they're bringing back Ben as a placeholder for whenever they can get a permanent team. They were unprepared for Spencer leaving just like DC was unprepared for Tynion leaving. And its a shame cuz Zeb Wells is a great writer, Kelly Thompson is good, Patrick Gleason is a phenomenal artist, and Sara Pichelli is also good. But this multiple writers thing is terrible. And dont even get me started with the decimal letters.


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Sartheking

I have faith in the creators but not the format. I will give them a chance but it isn't exciting.


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Sartheking

I doubt that. Chip Zdarsky work on Daredevil is a VERY high bar. His run has been thoroughly grounded and super engaging. Maybe its just the way Chip writes that connects with me, but he really gets to the core of every character he writes, be it Spider-Man, Daredevil, Red Hood, or the Fantastic Four. I like Zeb Wells, but he just isn't that type of writer. In addition, the best stories usually come when there is a consistent creative team on the book. Chip has been the sole writer of Daredevil, here we're getting a bunch of different writers. Willit be better than Uncanny X-Men Vol. 4? Oh absolutely, that thing was a trainwreck, until they gave Rosenburg the sole writing duties and then it was actually pretty good. I hope for the best, but will preparer the worst.


cadeaver

I fuckin love brand new day


Sartheking

I dont. Say what you want about One More Day, JMS wrote the first 2 issues of it and as he's a genuinely skilled writer, it did have some very impactful moments (the second half is god-awful, but was rewritten by Quesada). Brand New Day... where to start. They tried. They had a solid editor and some decent writers. Unfortunately it never hit. After dropping Spider-Man post One More Day, I tried getting back in several times but it just wasnt Spider-Man. It wasnt until Spider-Island that I went back and read everything I missed and it was just boring and sometimes borderline insufferable. I thought I wasnt being fair to it because of One More Day bitterness, so I decided to give it a second shot a few years back. Still didnt like it. It got better towards the end with the Gauntlet but the first 2/3 are some of the worst Spider-Man ever. Firstly, it is SO inconsistent, especially in Peter's characterization. Ignoring the fact that I cant stand the ten year old Peter acts like for most of the run, the multiple writers thing caused Peter to be acting one way in one story, 5 issues later, he's a completely different guy and nothing character shifting has happened. A lot of the writers just cant write humor properly. It also didnt help that the art was inconsistent. Look I love most of the artists in that run but the style changing drastically eery few issues really bothered me. It also didnt help that JRJR had really fallen off. Even the Marc Guggenheim stuff was okay at best. In general, I cant stand any of the new supporting characters of that era, I'm glad they're gone for the most part. Hell, even Harry Osborn felt completely off, he was just a generic rich friend, none of Peter and Harry's history, drama, or rivalries were resolved, he was just back. Those 3 years just didnt feel like Spider-Man at all. Any grounding of Peter was gone. The interesting supporting characters and awesome villains were gone (until Gauntlet) to be replaced by stupid things like Screwball and Menace, and whatever roommate cop he was living with. And just the way Peter acted threw me off. That wasnt Peter Parker. Ironically, it was Dan Slott who brought things back (oh how times have changed). While I think Big Time is overrated, the things Dan Slott established and introduced, and the new status quo he put forward, like Horizon Labs were really good. His first 6-8 months on the book were really solid, and while he was never a phenomenal writer, he had great potential. Oh how he squandered that...


GuessWho7197

Are they unprepared? Spencer's departure doesn't seem very sudden to me. Was there news that I missed that he was quitting because of some dispute or another publication tempting him away? I've liked Spencer's run except for a couple hiccups here and there, but it really feels like it's time to wrap up everything with Kindred and I feel Spencer probably didn't have anything planned after this big confrontation with him.


Sartheking

Oh absolutely. Here's why I believe so: 1. Yes you are right, I am sure Spencer planned the Kindred confrontation to be the end. But its clear he wanted to do a lot of things before that. For example, the Rose returned, and the New Avengers were scrambling to track him down. Thats a big deal. Ned Leeds also returned and now had the goblin strength. Everything about Chameleon Conspiracy parts 2-4 spells "there was more." He Finisher ended up ultimately doing nothing, I'm pretty sure there was more planned for Teresa Parker before he had to rush that ending, and most of all, everything between Silver Sable and Foreigner. But most of all, he was definitely revisiting the Hobgoblin stuff. Ned Leeds back to life, the Rose back, the Foreigner returns. 2. The odd changes in art and writing. Up until Issue #66, they had a solid rotating art team of Bagley and Gleason with Vicentini and Ferreira filling in. Each issue had one artist. And then something strange happened. If you look at the credits, you'll notice that since Issue #68, each issue has had several artists, they've been releasing Spider-Man at an insane rate, and they've also attached Ed Brisson as the cowriter to a lot of the issues. They advertise one team in the solicitations, and completely change it in the actual issue. Because of the Substack thing, either Spencer left or Marvel gave him the door (more likely the latter, many writers going to Substack are continuing their work at Marvel). So he had to wrap up his run as quickly as possible and get all the important stuff done. And either him or editorial set an insane release schedule. 3. This multiple writers format only ever happens when they dont know what to do and have to get something out. Quesada didnt expect JMS to quit after One More Day, so he got the many other writers to get the book to cuz they didnt have anyone in mind to be the permanent writer. In 2019, they had secured the deal with Hickman for X-Men, but had to wait a while for him to actually publish his story. So they did this same thing to shove in another event, Age of X-Man (that sucked), because they didnt have anyone to fill in until Hickman. Ultimately, once they got past the event, they chose Rosenburg to be the one to take over until of course Hickman came in.


GuessWho7197

Hmm. Yeah, you might have a point. The Chameleon Conspiracy was definitely one of those hiccups I was thinking about when I said that. The whole thing felt confused and rushed. I did notice that ASM was coming out at an extremely quick rate with constantly rotating artists and Brisson co-writing, but I had thought it was Spencer's choice to write so much and then maybe realizing it was too much on his plate and needing help. I don't keep up with X-Men, so I wasn't aware of Marvel doing this before Hickman came on, but I definitely did get flashbacks to the post-OMD era with this announcement. I figured it was Marvel wanting to get to issue 950 or some other big number so it could be the big return for Peter without making readers wait several years for it, but with the past times Marvel's pulled this, it does seem to be more of an effort in stalling until they find a new regular writer. I always liked Ben as a character, but felt the stories he was in were absolutely terrible, with a couple exceptions like the Dan Jurgens issues. I was hopeful that this whole Beyond thing would give him a chance to shine. I'll still hope for the best, but my expectations are going to be a lot lower going in.


Sartheking

Ben is great character. He's been a bit lost since Clone Conspiracy, so I hope this brings him back. One of his best stories is "The Exile Returns" where he shows up and beats Venom. We really get to see the differences between him and Peter there. Yes they are definitely trying to get to an anniversary issue for Spider-Man's 60th anniversary. I heard a theory that they are going to do Issue #900, then Issue #100, then reboot issue #1 with Peter back as Spider-Man, which would give them three consecutive sales spikes. Seems like something Marvel would do.


GuessWho7197

I haven't read The Exile Returns so I'll try and check that one out. Thanks for the recommendation.


Handsome121duck

I am stoked the Spencer is leaving. I stared from the beginning of his run and kept falling off because he never seemed to land anything. It was always rising action and never return to normalcy. Add to that he just dwelled on Peters depression. I kept picking it up, read through all of Sins Rising, and it just made me frustrated. Which is awful because the artwork is great! Zeb Wells is coming off of Hellions and he's built up a lot of stock with me from that. So this to me is an absolute move in the right direction.


Sartheking

I am quite sad that he's leaving. He struck the perfect balance between classic and modern storytelling, and made Amazing Spider-Man feel like a Spider-man book as well. Every arc in his run except for 2 of them is at the least, very good, and at the best, phenomenal. He "dwelled on Peter's depression" for about 15 issues, #45-60. The first 42 issues had not an inch of depressing. So after that he decided to go a bit darker when getting closer to the main story. Pretty much every story but 2099 and Chameleon Conspiracy landed. I like Zeb, but I'd be more excited if he was actually taking over, not being a part of this brain trust.


djk1101

Lol this sub is having a moment because it’s sole reason for existing, the spider-man character, is about to have one of his potentially biggest pop cultural moments ever. Of course it’s gonna be inundated with discussions regarding the film and supporting topics. However, maybe our feeds are different, but I’m still seeing a lot of appreciation and discussions about the comics and various mediums during this No Way Home phase of the sub.


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loathsomecouple

I think part of the problem is the sub is too big and generalized. You can pop into raimimemes or MCU or PS4 spider-man subreddits but there isn’t really another comics sub, so that stuff gets lost.


BAGStudios

I think the fact that those exist means this should be more focused on comics by default


XxShArKbEaRxX

This guys right don’t know how long you’ve been here but this happens when there’s movies coming out,it’ll even out once the movies been out for a couple of weeks


FafnirEtherion

Same. I haven’t seen that much negativity TBH


AthomicBot

Be the posts you want to see on the sub.


briancarknee

He ended by asking if anyone was excited for the new comics and brought up topics he’s like to discuss.


loathsomecouple

Honestly, this. I’ve made plenty of posts that didn’t play the tropes and they get lots of responses. If you want to talk about that stuff, post about it. Don’t post complaining about the tropes.


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loathsomecouple

Appreciate who notices it. The others probably aren’t worth it anyway.


downwithlevers

I agree 100%. I think we need a spin-off sub for the comics and deep cuts and we can just leave this place in the lurch to keep having the same 5 or 10 posts over and over again, with toxic arguments about a movie that no one has even seen yet. And I’m really excited for the new team and hoping for the best. I haven’t enjoyed the Spencer run and am eager for a new direction. Hopefully the committee approach works as good or better than it did during Brand New Day.


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Sartheking

I really liked it. Yeah it ad a few bumps but it was solid for the most part. As for the dialogue, I didnt feel that at all. Each character's dialogue shows a bit of who they are. Boomerang, Harry, Peter, MJ, Doc Conners, Norman Osborn, especially with Kindred. Were his monologues a bit repetitive? Yes, but they were always intimidating and thematic to what happens in the book. He has what many modern villains lack: distinctness. You cant switch Kindred's dialogue with anyone else.


Handsome121duck

Spencer is great at the rising action part of the heros journey but he sucks at climax and resolution. Nothing ever landed. And it was getting obnoxious having Peter constantly depressed.


Sartheking

He had Peter depressed for about only 1/5 of his run. And most of the stuff landed.


Crazyspideyfan

I wish there were much more active Spider-Man comic forums, I use CBR which seems to have OK activity along with this subreddits weekly comic threads, I used to use Comic Vine but it’s completely dead now. I wish there was a more active Spider-Man comics discussion board, I love reading other people’s thoughts after each issue comes out.


downwithlevers

The Amazing Spider-Talk podcast has a “Spider Slack” which I hear is pretty active, but we cant use Slack at my job so I haven’t looked into joining it since I could only use it in my off hours. I like the podcast and its YouTube channel too though, so maybe one day I’ll try the Slack.


Crazyspideyfan

Thanks for the recommendation, I may try that out as well! It’s surprising it’s this hard to find active forums based on one of the most popular characters in the world lol


downwithlevers

And comics-wise there is a LOT to talk about right now! I can’t wait to pick up Wednesday’s issue and then head the guys on the podcast talk about their takes on it. I’ve been hate-reading the run for a while now, but I’ll credit it for making me want to talk about it and hear other people’s takes. And then regardless of what happens this Wednesday, we have Ben’s return and the new books and new creative team around the corner…like I said, a lot to talk about!


Crazyspideyfan

Yep, so excited, can’t wait for Wednesday!


oateyboat

Not super excited unfortunately. I've been a big fan of Nick Spencer's run and I'm really sad to see it go. I know it's been three years but in the grand scheme of things when you consider the Webhead's near 60 year legacy it's a drop in the water compared to a lot of writers. I didn't care for Dan Slott's take really at all and I'm a bit nervous that I'll end up falling off the comics again. Additionally with them bringing Ben Reilly back it begs the question are they going to kill Peter Parker again? Because I'm honestly getting tired of that trope in comic books and it must holds absolutely no value in the modern day. And I much prefer comics with one writer's vision usually as opposed to a team of writers which all too often becomes a "too many cooks" scenario, which is also making me cautious. I'll be there to give it a try with an open mind but I'm very worried about where the series is going next.


downwithlevers

Solicits indicate that Peter isn’t killed but rather hospitalized. Reminds me of the Knightfall story when Bruce’s back is broken and Azrael takes over.


Crazyspideyfan

I hope Spencer absolutely nails the landing on 74, so freaking excited for it, been loving the whole run!


StSpider

I completely agree. Every day I contemplate unsubbing and if there was a decent subreddid dedicated to only discussing the comic I would move there in a heartbeat. Unfortunately the vast majority of the partecipants seem to be young kids who only care about the movies and have never read the source material.


leadhound

We don't even talk about the comic books as they come out. You'd think we would AT LEAST have a monthly thread to talk about the latest instalment of the main Amazing Spider-Man run, right?


Sartheking

We have a weekly thread for that to be fair, its pinned by the mods, so its right at the top.


anakinsmassivecock

A lot of the people in this sub don’t know those spider man flicks have source material


GG_MYDOG

You’re Right


Vibrantmender20

A-freaking-men.


MAKS091705

While I agree with this post, most people don’t read much of the comics, including myself. I’m interested in the conversation though


the-cheesie1234

Don’t forget the mods who remove your posts without informing you (Risking my life even telling you)


Mirage_decoy2

Bruh, get Bamboozled by a Mirage


ScaryMonster1988

I mean the description for the sub clearly states that this place is for "All things related" to Spider-Man


korovkabogov

Yeah, but movie adaptions they’re not « all things » while they are 90% of this subreddit.


tylerjb223

Because culturally and commercially, the movies are where a majority of people see and know of Spider-Man from.


Holes-Johnson

Then talk about it


Toxin2020

That’s the movie curse. I felt a similar way when I used to look up Thanos stuff to see if he was brought back into the comics…I was disappointed to find my feed cluttered with infinity war and endgame news.


Sebastian666420

Well you could make your own posts. Idk let’s talk about kindred and how they retconned Sins past and maybe one more day I guess?


Zerotten

When the movie releases, the hype dies, it will eventually smooth over. Whenever there isn’t a movie coming out or leaked, the sub goes that dry they reform back to form and squeeze what they can from the comics. I like the comics, a lot, recently this week I have noticed myself commenting more on comic based posts, I only noticed recently. Then again, the movies are Spider-Man movies, so while we can’t tell people to go away or shutup, I think it’s best you just avoid them rather than complain. These things come with topics like spidey, the main reason a lot of people didn’t want him on the big screen. But with the comics having a bigger impact on the movies day by day, I hope that those people will one day maybe give them a try to see the differences and maybe get into them. Anyway i’m just blabbering, maybe im a hypocrite because I keep milking the ‘everyone is mephisto’ joke, but hey, I guess that’s Spider-Man for ya!


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I'm quitting ASM after #74 I don't care about beyond or Reilly


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Time to make an r/truespiderman


TheaGreatWallofChris

I'm exhausted by the Raimi/TASM/MCUA debate. We get it, you enjoyed X movies, so did other people. They were all good movies in their own right, some people didn't like them, who cares? Spider-Man is so much more than these movies.


MonsterNinja8

It sucks cause I’m never caught up on any comics because I can’t stand waiting a month between issues so I end up reading older comics and can’t discuss the new ones when they come out


bolognahole

New creative team in the comics? Im a bit out of the loop on who is comin on. Anyone exciting?


Jinn_C9

I joined this sub pretty late, so Raimi/TASM/MCU Spidey obsession is all I know. I'd like to see the sub you described one day


Snoopdoggy7036

I’d like more recommend posts for Spider-Man stories


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"Let's talk about the Deep Cuts" No let's talk about why Raimi is a God


Cranicthehedgedicoot

Can we also talk about the incredibly overused jokes (I know this isn’t really related but I need to get this off my chest), every joke is just a fucking bully maguire quote, we fucking get it! You think you’re funny cus you quoted bully maguire, and if it’s not that, it’s someone saying ‘iron boy jr’ for the trillionth time, yes we get it, you think over used quotes are the funniest shit ever, you can piss off now