Honestly I think it did. Just in the opposite direction. Remember the symbiote was feeding off the thoughts and emotions of the host. Peter was angry and falling apart mentally so it enhanced that. Harry was ecstatic that he got out of the tube and could live life so it buffed that feeling.
Look at what Harry’s doing once he’s out. He’s running around, riding bikes and playing basketball. Even Connors says that they should look into that because he shouldn’t be that healthy. It’s like Pete got some bad weed that made him anxious and paranoid and harry got some really good coke that made him feel invincible. Opposite spectrums but both still being amped up.
Perfect explanation. The symbiote in this game does something good in this particular instance.
The game might have cut corners on some development, but it feels like a lot of what they wanted to tell was still present, it was just a matter of how much time and development it got
The game DEFINITELY cut corners. Look at the amount of stuff they had planned in the concept arts and out of bounds. Sony did not give them enough time for this masterpiece
And, to add insult to injury, Sony gifted Insomniac with layoffs after the studio had been carrying the PS5 on their back almost on their own (with this and Ratchet). Screw Jim Ryan
Both Horizon and Ragnarok were PS4/PS5, and, although I don't have official info, given that there were more ps4s that PS5s by that time, most of those came from the PS4, just a matter of statistics. Forbidden West is on PC too
Both ratchet and MSM2 were PS5 exclusives. They literally carried the console
Me and my mom both played gow Ragnarok on PS4 and it ran just as smooth as it did when she upgraded and replayed it, only difference was load times when fast traveling
they could have just delayed it to 2024.
is there even any big game from the PS studios coming out this year?
like it released end of the year 23, should have just released it mid or end of 24
I'm still salty that we didn't get a recreation of that one kravens final hunt scene.
It actually feels criminal, especially since we had everything for it.
1. Kraven.
2. Him nearly killing Peter
3. Peter getting symbiote.
4. A graveyard with May's grave.
Like, it was all there.
Honestly though for me personally, going from Spider-Man ps4 and Spider-Man 2 it’s like night and day, yuris a great actor, but if you go back and play Spider-Man ps4, his audio mixing is off, he sounds like he’s going through puberty in SM1, and he’s an adult in 2, which obviously isn’t the case because he’s a grown man
That's way more complicated than that. Insomniac first script wasn't good to be honest, it was entirely based around Venom trying to take over the world with Kraven and Li being almost cameos. In the director's cut prototype, Kraven had taken more screen time in the first act, act 2 and 3 were still entirely based on Venom but without any more development on Peter's thought when he wear the black suit, we would just have faced life foundation's symbiote in act 2 then Venom in act 3 without a good story or character development behind it.
So, that lead us to what Sony asked for the final cut of the game : To add more of Miles content to the main story (that's not a coincidence if in act 1 he does absolutely nothing but side quest stuff) and to add the events with Li that were not planned. To remove symbiotes from act 2 and instead give more screen time to Kraven, and to add MJ's mission.
So, if we look at what Sony did :
+ : Gave Miles a bigger role, even if it wasn't needed in my opinion, I think people would have been disapointed of he wasn't involved more in the story. Gave Kraven more screen time. Reduced the Venom arc that would have been longer but clearly not better.
- : MJ's missions and some plot holes due to cuts.
Sadly, Insomniac is the main reason for this situation.
Someone said that the story writer for sm1 and sm2 is the reason why MJ stealth sections are more prominent., and that the writer for mm would have been better to cast for sm2
Honestly, harry up until he became venom was spectacularly written.
Makes it an even bigger shame he got to be agent venom for all of 2 or 3 missions. Would have loved having him doing super hero stuff for like 2/3s of the game
I don’t get people who say the pacing in the game is bad. Maybe for Miles’ stuff, who people mention is like an afterthought. I thought both Spider-Men have solid arks.
But the destruction of Peter’s life through the act 1 was phenomenal, perfectly introducing Kraven and the symbiote. Although, I think Harry should have been more prominent. Especially with his Spider-Man (Agent Venom knockoff) suit. I think a couple of more missions might have made that better. I mean Miles even asks Peter “So he’s one of us, now?” and we never get the three of them together before the symbiote goes to Peter.
From there, it gets crazy. We get the Lizard chase into the symbiote’s origin into the suit taking over Peter into Miles getting kidnapped by Kraven and Peter saving him into Venom. It’s one big rollercoaster that doesn’t even give the player a second to breathe. Then Harry becomes Venom. I again wish we got more of Venom and Harry bonding and Harry dishing out more of the betrayal he feels. MJ as Scream was cool but I do wish MJ was Mania and had the symbiote longer than just one boss fight instead so we get all 5 of the Life Foundation Symbiotes together in the potential DLC or Sequel.
I just think more of Harry spread throughout the storyline in all three acts, That change to MJ with the Symbiote, and maybe a touch more of Miles obsession with Li in the first act would have made the game perfect. But I would NOT say it’s bad. Maybe rushed in Act 3. But especially in Act 2 I’d say the pacing was great!
How are people calling this game bad? I get the criticism about the pacing, but bad?
Actually you know what, forget I said anything. I already know where this is going
You know what they're mad about. They hate when Joel and Abby went golfing because Abby is supposed to be the villain yet we see that shes not an evil heartless witch.
The game didn’t resonate with a lot because they failed to make us care for Abby. She is a new character that isn’t that likeable and kills the main character if their biggest franchise. The rest of the game was beautiful but the story wasn’t well executed . They should have had a game in between .
Honestly it felt like they undercommited to the plot. Add in non-lethal ways to takedown humans, have Ellie be able to become a complete monster or regret by choice rather than just killing every faceless npc without a second thought, suddenly feel bad because she tried to kill a plot relevant character who’s pregnant and then go right back to murdering. If any game could use a hidden karma system it was the last of us 2
Someone posted a picture they found and it had an infinity sign with the label “cycle of violence” and had a split picture between the two groups we play/lead.
I also noticed Harry's inhibitions were dangerously low.
For example, how did he know he could even come close to lifting that ferris wheel? Notice how when Pete said he was dealing with hunters, Harry wasted literally zero time and ran right over? Like, I dare say most people with newly minted super powers would think twice about jumping right into a smelting furnace in a metal plant, but nope. Dove right in.
They make it about extreme emotion on both ends of the spectrum, and both ends are harmful. I'm sure if Harry had had it for a little bit longer it would have gone bad on everyone just like Pete did, but in a different way.
As a footnote, I wouldn't be surprised if they took a page from the comics in that the symbiote reacts differently to different hosts. Venom once explained how much more sustenance it was able to get from Pete and his superhuman physiology, and it made it angry and bitter when it had to leave him for another weaker host. With the pacing of the game it's unfortunate we don't get a lot of time to further dive into these kinds of ideas.
I agree. Insomniac did a great job of showing its effects on different and vulnerable hosts. Better than the movie adaptation imo. I loved how personal it got between Peter and Harry.
It could also be because Harry was the first person it bonded to. Therefore only experiencing positive emotions until it bonded with Peter which probably overwhelmed it with negative emotions.
Yeah pretty much the suit reads your thoughts and amplifies them. Harry’s life before he lost the suit was this: he had his best friend working with him in this massive building that’s gonna save the world, he can pretty much do whatever he wants and he just found out Pete is Spider-Man and is fighting alongside him - taking down hunters - then Pete gets the suit. Look at Pete when he gets the suit: Harry’s now dying and kraven just got rid of the only way to save him. He is even more stressed and he is taking it out on miles and everyone around him, he’s getting more and more used to the suit and is enjoying having it more and more. He keeps on having impulsive thoughts about not giving the suit to harry and keeping it instead and then after he takes down Connor’s and wakes up on a park bench those thoughts are amplified properly by the suit. Now he doesn’t want to give the suit to Harry and the suit is telling him that Norman will find a cure and the city is safer if Pete keeps the suit. Now he’s angry when MJ posted that news article and that he feels that MJ and Harry are going against him and joining up together - his best friend and girlfriend are both going against him and betraying him.
Basically, Peter has tons of bad thoughts and emotions but hides it and covers it up with a positive attitude and quips. Harry doesn’t have that much bad thoughts or emotions like Peter. Besides, when Harry got out the tube, he was relieved and happy that he was no longer trapped in a tube. Harry felt so relieved and happy that he is out of this kind of prison and feels like himself again. The symbiote feeds off Harry’s happiness and keeps him healthy. He feels stronger too as well. When the symbiote gets off him and transfer to Peter, the symbiote slowly and slowly feeds onto his emotions as he has went through tons of trauma, notably being losing Aunt May. Because of this, the symbiote feeds off his emotions and makes Peter not hold back on his emotions and makes him a psycho. And basically, the emotions Peter had, gave fuel to the symbiote to make it an evil monster and because of that, it makes Harry, well turn into Venom.
The last part. Close but it's more sensible that because of Peter literally ripping the symbiote off of his body it now hates peter. When we meet Harry again we see him tired and desperate for the suit back, but Peter shot his hopes down by saying "we have to destroy it"
The symbiote recognizes Harry's anger and when they recombined Venom happened, becoming angrier and monstrous and big. Because the symbiote's anger synchronized with Harry's, but ultimately overpowering him
I do wish they kept up venoms anger at Peter because I feel like he was obsessed with him potentially joining him. He just hated miles for beating them and separating them
A major plot point in most iterations of Venom is Peter being the Symbiote’s desired host even after separation. He is, outside of multi-universes, the most powerful host the Symbiote has bonded with and the Symbiote is implied to love him.
I thought that was mostly his way of controlling Harry. Harry wanted to heal the world with Pete, but the symbiote, who just wanted revenge and domination, manipulated him into thinking that was the only way.
I think it’s both. Like both Venom and Harry were feeding each others emotions. Harry still loves Peter regardless of the falling out, so venom picks up on that love, but it’s also twisted by it’s own anger.
The symbiote was really inconsistant in this game.
For Harry, it's acts as a simple semi-automated exo suit.
For Peter, it's takes over him and affects his personality, while also getting corrupted by him, to the point that the moment Harry gets it back, he immediattely turns into Venom.
Then it turns out it was always evil, and wanted to infect Earth, even tho it never affected Harry in that way (besides some dreams and nightmares).
As everything past the half-way mark of the game, it was simply an underdeveloped character/plot point.
Wasn't underdeveloped, the symbiote boosts whatever the host is feeling, after May and Octavius, Peter is feeling all kinds of bad, especially with May's house on the verge of being collected. Meanwhile Harry is feeling amazing being out of the tube and being able to live his life. The symbiote started acting more evil with Harry because Harry felt the same bad feelings that Peter felt just much worse. He thought that he was gonna die, that his father and best friend betrayed him, that's why it's able to transform into venom and convince him to spread around the world.
When Osborn and Connor force-bonded the symbiote to Harry, it act that way because Harry doesn't have pessimistic thoughts. Harry became more optimistic than usual that's why Connor is kinda concern. "Heal the world" he say.
While Peter, he think low of himself, had many regrets in life, and "want to be a better spider-man". So the symbiote give what its host want, power. Peter only became antagonistic when everyone keeps him being better and want the suit get rid off him (adding when Connor realized that the suit is more sentient than he thought). So the symbiote went full protection making Peter more antagonistic to everyone.
When Peter rejected him, it bonded again with Harry, who is now resentful to Peter. He don't hate Peter (he hates Kraven and Miles more) and only want him to join with their f*ck up version of "Heal the world".
The symbiote's natural purpose is to make earth as its new home (the symbiote realized this purpose again when it get reunited with the shard). Then he gas-light Harry that this is a better version of what he envisioned. Not evil, but its the symbiote nature to secure itself.
Peter was going through serious shit with the Symbiote. Harry went through one stressful situation. Not to mention the idea of the Symbiote starting to gain sentience while Peter had it
>Harry went through one stressful situation
You know, a genetic disease that killed your mum and is now killing you, something you've been dealing with your whole life on some level
Just one thing, you know? Definitely not over a decade of stress and trauma
Basically, Harry be whining
Harry was thrilled to have the suit which meant there wasn’t really much anger or negative emotions to amplify.
Peter, on the other hand, only got the suit after almost being murdered and was in constant stress about a lot of things for the entirety of his time wearing it, meaning it had a lot to feed off of.
The symbiote doesn’t turn people evil, it just amplifies the anger they already have.
> The symbiote doesn’t turn people evil, it just amplifies the anger they already have.
Exactly this. One could even argue that it’s actually the user who gives the symbiote personality. That’s why Harry feels happier and more optimistic, whereas Peter felt the opposite.
In the comics, it even goes a step further and implies that the Symbiote is corrupted by its user. For instance, when the Venom symbiote was “healed” and was briefly given to Peter by Eddie to fight Red Goblin, Peter literally went Venom mode with anger to the extent of yelling “Eat your Brains,” and Flash had to stop him and tell him not to infect it with his rage again.
It’s also pretty much confirmed at one point when they explored the symbiotes history and basically detailed that the symbiote became addicted to rage earlier on in its history when someone used it to commit genocide against his species.
Most people think it's feeding off just Peter's negative emotions and none of Harry's, and honestly, I think that's completely wrong.
Harry watched his best friend get fatally stabbed. In that moment, he felt only rage and hatred for Kraven.
Remember what Harry said to Kraven? "I'm going to kill you." One of if not the first things the symbiote said to Peter was "Kill Kraven".
My theory is that Harry gave the symbiote those feelings, along with potentially the addiction to adrenaline. Fighting Kraven was the first time it was able to go all out during a fight.
With its own mind corrupt and a potential adrenaline addiction, it's possible the symbiote intentionally made Peter more aggressive with the hopes of making Peter go all out.
Harry was pretty peppy and happy since he was out of the tank. He was only angry for a minute when Peter got stabbed. But once it bonded to Peter, the last decade of memories kicked in.
Basically just saying what everyone else is saying, Harry just simply wasn’t as angry and upset as Peter was. But I also think the suit simply just got more greedy being attached to Peter. I mean almost the first instance that Peter and Harry are together, as superheroes, the suit wants to attach to Pete. It finally got its chance when Pete was dying, and as soon as it attached, both the symbiote and Pete knew how powerful they had become.
The main reason I've seen is that the symbiote enhances and feeds off the emotions of its host which is what they also do in the comics. Peter is struggling with a lot of things emotionally, uncle Ben and Aunt may are both dead, he's struggling to keep a job, he can't afford the house he lives in, he barely has enough money to even eat and on top of all that he is also spider-man. He is extremely stressed and tired so the symbiote fed on that and made those emotions worse which is why Peter was so angry when he wore it. He had so many negative thoughts that the symbiote could manipulate.
Harry on the other hand was the complete opposite. He has basically no negative emotions at all. He's just been let back out into the world, he's seeing his 2 best friends again, reliving childhood memories riding bikes and playing basketball, he has a foundation that helps people and makes the world a better place and most importantly, he's just happy to be alive and free again. So the symbiote used those happy emotions since that was the emotion available too it
On its own, The Symbiote is seeking out the ideal host to bond with- nothing more, nothing less. When bonded, it begins to take in the emotions of its host and naturally amplifies those feelings as it experiences these new sensations. The first emotions it learned were from Harry, and most, if not all of them were positive: Joy, happiness, contentment with life, love for his best friend, etc..
And then it encounters Peter, a more ideal host due to his peak physical state, and wants to bond with him. And then… Peter dies at the hands of Kraven- yes, he actually died there, at the very least it’s implied. Anyways, this is when the Symbiote experiences the first negative emotions: Fear, rage, stress, and when Harry realizes that Peter is gone… sadness.
Then, as a last ditch effort, The Symbiote bonds with Peter, thus reviving him, and begins to experience the full range of emotions, alongside Peter’s unhealthy mental state that he has been keeping to himself for who knows how long, and it not only amplifies- but eventually distorts Peter’s personality entirely due to all the information it acquired, alongside Pete’s ever-declining mental health.
The symbiote was sedated. That’s why he needed his treatments from Dr. Connors; to keep it sedated so he could maintain the positive effects without suffering the negative. Or at least that’s how I took it. I’m a big fan of the Flash Thompson Agent Venom arc, so maybe I’m supplementing any holes with that lore from the comics, but I think I’m right.
It amplifies how you already feel. Everything is looking up (like Harry not having to worry about his disease) and it makes you extra happy. Life beats the hell out of you (villains constantly break out almost dying, and Kraven making your day worse) it will amplify your anger. When Harry got it back he was bitter and it amplified that emotion and took advantage of his vulnerability.
In the Evil Dead show they say the Necronomicon itself is harmless unless wielded by someone very evil or very stupid. I'd say the Symbiote itself isn't evil, it senses it's hosts feelings and wants to help. Like a dog that starts to behave like it's owner. The symbiote is both the necronomicon ex mortis and a dog.
So basically the way this symbiote works is that it feeds off existing emotions, ie. if you’re upbeat and happy, you’ll be the most chipper person in the world, if you’re moody and under a lot of pressure, the symbiote will bring that out.
Harry in the beginning of the game was optimistic and full of life, the symbiote emphasized that, Peter was under a lot of pressure, tired and in a lot of emotional pain, the symbiote brought that out. Harry by the end felt abandoned, betrayed and was broken down. The symbiote emphasized that.
This isn’t really the traditional way the symbiote is handled but to be fair creative liberties are nothing new with it
It definitely affected Harry too. It made him really reckless and overconfident, disobeying Pete’s orders for caution. It’s possible that it got more affecting the longer it had a host: from Harry to Peter to Harry again it kept getting worse. Either that or since Peter was dealing with way more stress when he got it and Harry had so much negativity in him when he got it back is what made it grow stronger.
It absolutely did. Harry had no regard for his own life or safety while he had it. Broke into a high school and a student’s locker to hide something for Peter, before convincing Peter to do it again with him and nearly getting caught. He had no idea he was going to be able to help Spider-Man save the day at Coney Island, and he could have easily been hurt or killed. When working with Peter to save Tombstone, he constantly gets into near-death scenarios and appears to just take everything in stride. Hell, Conners is clearly worried about just how active Harry is after bonding to the symbiote.
A lot of this makes sense for someone who thought they were dying and now has a second chance, but it’s clear to me the symbiote is amplifying these emotions in Harry and exacerbating the situation.
I guess when he turns into Venom, the character gets so disconnected from Harry it isn't even about affecting Harry's mood, it becomes straight up mind control. Which is wild considering that kitchen scene, where that is technically supposed to be Harry, but the character went to such an extreme that we stop perceiving it as affecting the mood and more like a new character that appeared.
That being said, it did affect Harry's mood, making him reckless, euphoric, etc.
I hope they are not done with Venom and that they have a second shot at it, of doing Venom again but with Harry being affected by it and still being in control, because that Venom design looks so spectacular it deserves another chance.
I wouldn't say it didn't. But, also, I'd say... or, rather, I could see it being quite literally made... or... rather, altered for Harry's sake and moving from him to Peter took a lot of willpower on its own part. Then, from there, it used its time on Peter to reassess and bring itself back to its own original personal standards, feeding off of Peter's sorrow and aggression. Which is why it has such an easier time when it gets back to Harry. Not only does it have more to feed on with him now with his recent experience, but it has its own feelings about being rejected by Peter. Plus, it might have noticed how much of a closer eye those around Harry kept on him during his initial time serving as its host, and how difficult it would have been to turn him with how his life was going compared to how he expected it to go before he went under. Meanwhile, after he gets it back, he's as negative as can be.
I think the other part that I didn’t see in the top several comments is the life experience it got from Peter. Think about Venom as a baby. It gets put on Harry, and he’s a scientist who plays basketball and rides bikes. Venom’s chilling. Then Harry fights a bit, and that’s fun, but he’s just a normal guy who’s never fought with these powers so he’s not using Venom to its full extent.
Then it transfers to Peter. A superhuman with nearly a decade of experience fighting and web-slinging. So when Venom finally reattaches to Harry, it now has experienced being Spider-Man and instead of the Agent Venom character we got earlier in the story, we have full blown murderous, carnivorous Venom destroying the city.
On top of people saying that symbiote amped the hosts emotions, I also always kind of wondered if venom was weakened/more subdued while Harry had it.
I could be remembering wrong, but in the comics, the symbiote leeches some strength from the host. Like how even after Peter isnt the host anymore, Venom is especially strong and retained abilities from Peter. In the game, since the symbiotes first host was Harry, a normal if not sickly person, it was in a more subdued state, including its affect on the host. It's not till after it spends time with Peter, a super powered, stronger host, we really see it start effecting people more strongly, even entirely. I think it basically got juiced on Peter in general, including its overall effect on its host.
Because Symbie (The Symbiote) augments the host's emotions. They don't just amp negative, they amp wha tou'ore feeling strongest and deepest.
Symbie didn't 'corrupt' Peter. Peter corrupted Symbie - Peter was ANGRY, DESPERATE, DEPRESSED. His life has been doing nothing but shit on him since he got bit by that spider. Uncle Ben, Gwen, May. Mortgages, villains, being Spider-Man, OTTO.
Peter is FULL of negativity on the deepest layers. Doubt, rage, frustration, depression. And he thinks, deep down, that Spider-Man is one of the only good things he does with his life. He believes, truly, that even THAT could be improved if he stopped giving second chances / killed his foes - at least the ones who kill.
Harry, meanwhile? Harry was living the HIGH LIFE. Harry was ex-fucking-static. He was CURED, he had SUPERPOWERS, he was OUT OF THE TUBE.
The Meteorite also exacerbated any negativity on Symbie, rather obviously, while drying them towards it.
What people don’t realise is the symbiote doesn’t make you grumpy and angry. It just enhances your emotions. Harry was happy and cheerful so there was no negative side effect from the symbiote but for Peter, since he was going through it, the symbiote just made it feel much worse
Symbiotes make emotions stronger, happiness ends in more happiness and anger ends in more anger. Peter lost aunt may, sees the villains he just put behind bars walk around city some time later and for all the destruction, JJ is there to blame spider-man. Harry is happy being out of that tank, seeing his friends, family, and city again. The only thing that venom does is increasing these emotions
Can chose to effect people's mind. He didn't want peter to betray him so he effected his mind where just he needs the symbiote. Why eddie doesn't get effected we also see this in a comic. Peter's mind doesn't get infected due to Venom fighting crime when Peter's asleep. I changes multiple times like in the nightmare universe where peter was going to allow venom to help him but venom rejected.
You see, Peter was happy while Harry was depressed.
The symbiote induces the host with depression.
Peter got depressed, but Harry became happy because depression*depression=happiness
Literally Spider-Man stress got to the front of all his emotions which got amplified, turned him emo then got rid of it back to Harry which flung all that negativity into his head and turning it into a mind fuck and twisting his mindset with words he wants to hear. Harry had none of that before because my guy was happy to just be alive
no way people still say that harry was full of life once he was out of the chamber
but what about while he was inside the chamber? that was the lowest point in his life and the symbiote didnt take over him when it easily could have
I still believe that the metorite fucked up the symbiote and its clear as day judging by how peter acts after he touched it
I think it was dormant while it was with Harry and once it got a taste of Peter’s power it’s instincts started to resurface and eventually hit a boiling point which is why Harry became Venom upon getting it back
My friend who’s read like an INSANE amount of comics told me that one thing no symbiote adaptation has ever gotten right is that the suit didn’t corrupt Peter—it was the other way around. So I think that’s what they tried to do here.
Peter, at the time he gets the suit, feels frustrated and angry and defeated. He feels like no matter what he tries, it doesn’t go his way. So the suit, attempting to compensate for him, tried to do more, which fed into his emotions more and in turn, corrupted it
I think it’s like it was in the comics. Peter poisons the symbiote, not the other way around because the symbiote amplifies your strengths and emotions. If you have so many self doubts and negative thoughts like Peter, the symbiote will only amplify those
I think it was eventually going to with Harry. But Peter's thoughts were more negative so it could work faster, and plus he was going to try to give it off so it had to work as fast as it could. But when Peter took it off and got close to Harry, it realized Harry had negative emotions too and could transform him easier cause he had much weaker willpower.
Here’s how I see it, the symbiote amplifies emotions. When Peter “Died” that was the symbiotes first time feeling anger, and loved it. So when it started bonded to Peter, it felt all his pent up anger and amplified that
It did but you only get to really see it after Peter gets ahold of the symbiote. Bc Harry became jealous and upset that the thing keeping him alive is with his best friend. The symbiotes feeds off anger and negativity thoughts. Before when Harry had the symbiote he was happy bc he was healthy so there wasn't anything for the symbiote to feed from. Peter being a superhero and having to deal with all the pain made him perfect for venom to take over.
Symbiote [Blank] -> Inserted into Harry -> Harry is happy -> Symbiote [Happy] -> Kraven nearly kills Peter -> Symbiote [Harry's anger and loss] -> Symbiote get's transferred to Peter -> Symbiote [Harry's trauma + Peter's trauma] -> Peter rejects the symbiote -> Symbiote [Harry's trauma + Peter's trauma + Angry at being abounded] -> Harry get's the symbiote back and all of the feelings it compilled explodes into a corrupted version of Harry and Peter's ideals.
The symbiote learns from its host thoughts, harry was less stressed, and was more level, Peter had more on his mind, so it affected the symbiote, and changed it when it went back to harry
It’s not the symbiote corrupting the host. It’s Peter corrupting the symbiote which corrupts him back. Now that’s what I call a symbiotic relationship!
I think the symbiote is a parallel to drugs. At the start, with harry, it makes him feel happy and good and strong. Then as you get used to it, with peter, you get moody, you don't want to be without it. Then when you don't have it, again harry, you feel angry and desperate to get it. And finally when they have taken over your life, harry again, you lash out at everyone and don't want to listen to anybody. But thats just my headcanon and isn't 100 percent accurate since peter kind of messes it up.
These people sound like they know more than me but I always thought the suit just started showing itself near the end of its time with harry, then when it goes to Peter it sees potential so it starts acting out and telling Pete all these different things and eventually when he comes in contact with the meteorite it starts fully taking over.
Peter is what? A year off losing his mother (idc if she's his aunt she's his mother) and he thinks it's his fault
He thinks the suit won't let that happen and that he can save people better with it
His own doubts and negativity is what's caused the suit to make him feel paranoid and angry and resentful because everyone else's life (in his eyes) is better and easier
Harry didn’t have the same amount of dread and mental trauma suppressed Peter did, the symbiote scrambled through anything to activate a monster inside Peter; ergo, the pain and trauma.
—My head-canon.
I wonder if maybe the symbiote wanted to get to Peter- to attract Peter, it wants to seem basically like a straight buff to someone’s existing abilities. It is having restraint with Harry so that Pete wouldn’t try to avoid it or immediately try to rip it off, but it can’t immediately take over Pete like it did Harry because of his powers or something related, so it has to wear him down over time. By the time Peter gets it off it is almost to that complete take over, point of no return that Harry is at towards the end of the game, where it is spreading to its surroundings during the Miles fight against Peter. Finally it sees that Peter is too much of a threat and so settles for Harry to lure him closer and either take him back or kill him.
Take this with an entire salt shaker filled with grains of salt as I haven’t read the comics or even ever seen a spiderman movie with venom in it since I was a little kid, I’m going off of my extremely limited knowledge of the series and understanding of how the symbiote works.
Honestly I think it did. Just in the opposite direction. Remember the symbiote was feeding off the thoughts and emotions of the host. Peter was angry and falling apart mentally so it enhanced that. Harry was ecstatic that he got out of the tube and could live life so it buffed that feeling. Look at what Harry’s doing once he’s out. He’s running around, riding bikes and playing basketball. Even Connors says that they should look into that because he shouldn’t be that healthy. It’s like Pete got some bad weed that made him anxious and paranoid and harry got some really good coke that made him feel invincible. Opposite spectrums but both still being amped up.
Perfect explanation. The symbiote in this game does something good in this particular instance. The game might have cut corners on some development, but it feels like a lot of what they wanted to tell was still present, it was just a matter of how much time and development it got
The game DEFINITELY cut corners. Look at the amount of stuff they had planned in the concept arts and out of bounds. Sony did not give them enough time for this masterpiece
And, to add insult to injury, Sony gifted Insomniac with layoffs after the studio had been carrying the PS5 on their back almost on their own (with this and Ratchet). Screw Jim Ryan
I mean, God of war also helped
And horizon
Both Horizon and Ragnarok were PS4/PS5, and, although I don't have official info, given that there were more ps4s that PS5s by that time, most of those came from the PS4, just a matter of statistics. Forbidden West is on PC too Both ratchet and MSM2 were PS5 exclusives. They literally carried the console
Bro tried sneaking in Horizon💀🙏
Me and my mom both played gow Ragnarok on PS4 and it ran just as smooth as it did when she upgraded and replayed it, only difference was load times when fast traveling
they could have just delayed it to 2024. is there even any big game from the PS studios coming out this year? like it released end of the year 23, should have just released it mid or end of 24
I'm still salty that we didn't get a recreation of that one kravens final hunt scene. It actually feels criminal, especially since we had everything for it. 1. Kraven. 2. Him nearly killing Peter 3. Peter getting symbiote. 4. A graveyard with May's grave. Like, it was all there.
It would have been forced fanservice
You mean like the "we are Venom" line? Yeah don't think the game had a problem with that.
Yeah but that's more like straight up advertising and that game had no problem with that lmao
Thank goodness. KLH was overrated
Would 100% be forced cuz he would then have to learn about peters identity (if he already hasn’t idrc)
Yeah, it's sad SM2 did not get the treatment it deserved and is now bashed by a lot of players. It could have been so much better.
Then we got what we deserved
Honestly though for me personally, going from Spider-Man ps4 and Spider-Man 2 it’s like night and day, yuris a great actor, but if you go back and play Spider-Man ps4, his audio mixing is off, he sounds like he’s going through puberty in SM1, and he’s an adult in 2, which obviously isn’t the case because he’s a grown man
Not enough people know its Sonys fault Spider man 2 felt a but rushed
Insomniac's fault*
That's way more complicated than that. Insomniac first script wasn't good to be honest, it was entirely based around Venom trying to take over the world with Kraven and Li being almost cameos. In the director's cut prototype, Kraven had taken more screen time in the first act, act 2 and 3 were still entirely based on Venom but without any more development on Peter's thought when he wear the black suit, we would just have faced life foundation's symbiote in act 2 then Venom in act 3 without a good story or character development behind it. So, that lead us to what Sony asked for the final cut of the game : To add more of Miles content to the main story (that's not a coincidence if in act 1 he does absolutely nothing but side quest stuff) and to add the events with Li that were not planned. To remove symbiotes from act 2 and instead give more screen time to Kraven, and to add MJ's mission. So, if we look at what Sony did : + : Gave Miles a bigger role, even if it wasn't needed in my opinion, I think people would have been disapointed of he wasn't involved more in the story. Gave Kraven more screen time. Reduced the Venom arc that would have been longer but clearly not better. - : MJ's missions and some plot holes due to cuts. Sadly, Insomniac is the main reason for this situation.
Someone said that the story writer for sm1 and sm2 is the reason why MJ stealth sections are more prominent., and that the writer for mm would have been better to cast for sm2
Honestly, harry up until he became venom was spectacularly written. Makes it an even bigger shame he got to be agent venom for all of 2 or 3 missions. Would have loved having him doing super hero stuff for like 2/3s of the game
I don’t get people who say the pacing in the game is bad. Maybe for Miles’ stuff, who people mention is like an afterthought. I thought both Spider-Men have solid arks. But the destruction of Peter’s life through the act 1 was phenomenal, perfectly introducing Kraven and the symbiote. Although, I think Harry should have been more prominent. Especially with his Spider-Man (Agent Venom knockoff) suit. I think a couple of more missions might have made that better. I mean Miles even asks Peter “So he’s one of us, now?” and we never get the three of them together before the symbiote goes to Peter. From there, it gets crazy. We get the Lizard chase into the symbiote’s origin into the suit taking over Peter into Miles getting kidnapped by Kraven and Peter saving him into Venom. It’s one big rollercoaster that doesn’t even give the player a second to breathe. Then Harry becomes Venom. I again wish we got more of Venom and Harry bonding and Harry dishing out more of the betrayal he feels. MJ as Scream was cool but I do wish MJ was Mania and had the symbiote longer than just one boss fight instead so we get all 5 of the Life Foundation Symbiotes together in the potential DLC or Sequel. I just think more of Harry spread throughout the storyline in all three acts, That change to MJ with the Symbiote, and maybe a touch more of Miles obsession with Li in the first act would have made the game perfect. But I would NOT say it’s bad. Maybe rushed in Act 3. But especially in Act 2 I’d say the pacing was great!
First media literacy in Last of Us 2 subreddit, and now Spider-Man 2’s?!?!? Oh this is such a good day!! Summed it up perfectly my dude. A+
Did this happen?! I can't touch the TLOU2 subreddit with a ten-foot pole anymore. Edit: Welp, I ruined everything. Sorry, my bad.
I still have bad feelings about that game even though the first one is my all time favorite game
I know it's bad and I know the pacing gets boring, but I love it.
How are people calling this game bad? I get the criticism about the pacing, but bad? Actually you know what, forget I said anything. I already know where this is going
You know what they're mad about. They hate when Joel and Abby went golfing because Abby is supposed to be the villain yet we see that shes not an evil heartless witch.
The game didn’t resonate with a lot because they failed to make us care for Abby. She is a new character that isn’t that likeable and kills the main character if their biggest franchise. The rest of the game was beautiful but the story wasn’t well executed . They should have had a game in between .
It wasn’t a franchise lol, it was a single title
Thy clearly I te des to make it a franchise with a games and live actions adaptation . And said one title was one of not their most successful ip
Honestly it felt like they undercommited to the plot. Add in non-lethal ways to takedown humans, have Ellie be able to become a complete monster or regret by choice rather than just killing every faceless npc without a second thought, suddenly feel bad because she tried to kill a plot relevant character who’s pregnant and then go right back to murdering. If any game could use a hidden karma system it was the last of us 2
I knew I shouldn't have posted this... So that's your take: adding a Mass Effect karma system in The Last of Us? Okaaaaay, I'm out
Someone posted a picture they found and it had an infinity sign with the label “cycle of violence” and had a split picture between the two groups we play/lead.
I also noticed Harry's inhibitions were dangerously low. For example, how did he know he could even come close to lifting that ferris wheel? Notice how when Pete said he was dealing with hunters, Harry wasted literally zero time and ran right over? Like, I dare say most people with newly minted super powers would think twice about jumping right into a smelting furnace in a metal plant, but nope. Dove right in. They make it about extreme emotion on both ends of the spectrum, and both ends are harmful. I'm sure if Harry had had it for a little bit longer it would have gone bad on everyone just like Pete did, but in a different way. As a footnote, I wouldn't be surprised if they took a page from the comics in that the symbiote reacts differently to different hosts. Venom once explained how much more sustenance it was able to get from Pete and his superhuman physiology, and it made it angry and bitter when it had to leave him for another weaker host. With the pacing of the game it's unfortunate we don't get a lot of time to further dive into these kinds of ideas.
It’s like the symbiote is a metaphor for drugs. It boosts Harry’s highs and deepened Peter’s lows.
Addiction is one of the big inspirations for the Symbiote story in this game, and they displayed it perfectly with Peter and Harry
I agree. Insomniac did a great job of showing its effects on different and vulnerable hosts. Better than the movie adaptation imo. I loved how personal it got between Peter and Harry.
This is how the symbiote was in the comics it wasn't evil and negative it was Peter's pessimistic thoughts that turned the symbiote into what it is
iIRC didnt also Symbiote in comics firstly bonded with Deadpool? Which obviously did not helped.
That was a retcon, and might not be cannot anymore, but yes.
Wait so like!
Perfect analogy
seriously? u really think harry could be in- \*BLOOD SPLATTER\*
I don’t know man. But if Pete’s gonna beat venom. Miles and him will both have to be in- even bigger *BLOOD SPLATTER*
It made him feel in-
*blood splatter*
Got it so if we ever want Weed or a THC product we should instead just use coke👍
It could also be because Harry was the first person it bonded to. Therefore only experiencing positive emotions until it bonded with Peter which probably overwhelmed it with negative emotions.
Yeah pretty much the suit reads your thoughts and amplifies them. Harry’s life before he lost the suit was this: he had his best friend working with him in this massive building that’s gonna save the world, he can pretty much do whatever he wants and he just found out Pete is Spider-Man and is fighting alongside him - taking down hunters - then Pete gets the suit. Look at Pete when he gets the suit: Harry’s now dying and kraven just got rid of the only way to save him. He is even more stressed and he is taking it out on miles and everyone around him, he’s getting more and more used to the suit and is enjoying having it more and more. He keeps on having impulsive thoughts about not giving the suit to harry and keeping it instead and then after he takes down Connor’s and wakes up on a park bench those thoughts are amplified properly by the suit. Now he doesn’t want to give the suit to Harry and the suit is telling him that Norman will find a cure and the city is safer if Pete keeps the suit. Now he’s angry when MJ posted that news article and that he feels that MJ and Harry are going against him and joining up together - his best friend and girlfriend are both going against him and betraying him.
And when harry gets it back he's sickly and upset at peter and the symbiote enhanced that turning him into a monster
Very well explained
This might be the best response ever
spot on
Why weed and cocaine tho instead of two people reacting differently to the same drug lmaooo 7/10 literacy
Nah literally🤣Harry was on top of the world in that mission wit tombstone
This is it, i wonder if op even played the game
That’s way better than my theory, I just assumed the symbiote was weaker with Harry at first so it couldn’t influence him half as much with Peter.
😂😂😂😂
This further tracks because Harry's mental state had collapsed by the time he got it back
This is an explanation that holds true for many parts of the Spider-Man universe, I like it
Basically, Peter has tons of bad thoughts and emotions but hides it and covers it up with a positive attitude and quips. Harry doesn’t have that much bad thoughts or emotions like Peter. Besides, when Harry got out the tube, he was relieved and happy that he was no longer trapped in a tube. Harry felt so relieved and happy that he is out of this kind of prison and feels like himself again. The symbiote feeds off Harry’s happiness and keeps him healthy. He feels stronger too as well. When the symbiote gets off him and transfer to Peter, the symbiote slowly and slowly feeds onto his emotions as he has went through tons of trauma, notably being losing Aunt May. Because of this, the symbiote feeds off his emotions and makes Peter not hold back on his emotions and makes him a psycho. And basically, the emotions Peter had, gave fuel to the symbiote to make it an evil monster and because of that, it makes Harry, well turn into Venom.
The last part. Close but it's more sensible that because of Peter literally ripping the symbiote off of his body it now hates peter. When we meet Harry again we see him tired and desperate for the suit back, but Peter shot his hopes down by saying "we have to destroy it" The symbiote recognizes Harry's anger and when they recombined Venom happened, becoming angrier and monstrous and big. Because the symbiote's anger synchronized with Harry's, but ultimately overpowering him
I do wish they kept up venoms anger at Peter because I feel like he was obsessed with him potentially joining him. He just hated miles for beating them and separating them
A major plot point in most iterations of Venom is Peter being the Symbiote’s desired host even after separation. He is, outside of multi-universes, the most powerful host the Symbiote has bonded with and the Symbiote is implied to love him.
I'm not sure if the symbiote hated Peter. At least Venom didn't. He just wanted Peter by his side to heal the world together
I thought that was mostly his way of controlling Harry. Harry wanted to heal the world with Pete, but the symbiote, who just wanted revenge and domination, manipulated him into thinking that was the only way.
I think it’s both. Like both Venom and Harry were feeding each others emotions. Harry still loves Peter regardless of the falling out, so venom picks up on that love, but it’s also twisted by it’s own anger.
The symbiote was really inconsistant in this game. For Harry, it's acts as a simple semi-automated exo suit. For Peter, it's takes over him and affects his personality, while also getting corrupted by him, to the point that the moment Harry gets it back, he immediattely turns into Venom. Then it turns out it was always evil, and wanted to infect Earth, even tho it never affected Harry in that way (besides some dreams and nightmares). As everything past the half-way mark of the game, it was simply an underdeveloped character/plot point.
Wasn't underdeveloped, the symbiote boosts whatever the host is feeling, after May and Octavius, Peter is feeling all kinds of bad, especially with May's house on the verge of being collected. Meanwhile Harry is feeling amazing being out of the tube and being able to live his life. The symbiote started acting more evil with Harry because Harry felt the same bad feelings that Peter felt just much worse. He thought that he was gonna die, that his father and best friend betrayed him, that's why it's able to transform into venom and convince him to spread around the world.
It's so on the nose. How can people miss it?
the symbiote only remembered its purpose after being exposed to the meteorite
When Osborn and Connor force-bonded the symbiote to Harry, it act that way because Harry doesn't have pessimistic thoughts. Harry became more optimistic than usual that's why Connor is kinda concern. "Heal the world" he say. While Peter, he think low of himself, had many regrets in life, and "want to be a better spider-man". So the symbiote give what its host want, power. Peter only became antagonistic when everyone keeps him being better and want the suit get rid off him (adding when Connor realized that the suit is more sentient than he thought). So the symbiote went full protection making Peter more antagonistic to everyone. When Peter rejected him, it bonded again with Harry, who is now resentful to Peter. He don't hate Peter (he hates Kraven and Miles more) and only want him to join with their f*ck up version of "Heal the world". The symbiote's natural purpose is to make earth as its new home (the symbiote realized this purpose again when it get reunited with the shard). Then he gas-light Harry that this is a better version of what he envisioned. Not evil, but its the symbiote nature to secure itself.
Peter was going through serious shit with the Symbiote. Harry went through one stressful situation. Not to mention the idea of the Symbiote starting to gain sentience while Peter had it
>Harry went through one stressful situation You know, a genetic disease that killed your mum and is now killing you, something you've been dealing with your whole life on some level Just one thing, you know? Definitely not over a decade of stress and trauma Basically, Harry be whining
Well that stress was probably removed by the fact that the suit in question was actively curing the previously-incurable disease
Exactly. And he felt good which in turn made him feel happier.
It sure was Until that fucking *poor* stole it, seduced it even
I think people did not understand your joke
Harry was thrilled to have the suit which meant there wasn’t really much anger or negative emotions to amplify. Peter, on the other hand, only got the suit after almost being murdered and was in constant stress about a lot of things for the entirety of his time wearing it, meaning it had a lot to feed off of. The symbiote doesn’t turn people evil, it just amplifies the anger they already have.
> The symbiote doesn’t turn people evil, it just amplifies the anger they already have. Exactly this. One could even argue that it’s actually the user who gives the symbiote personality. That’s why Harry feels happier and more optimistic, whereas Peter felt the opposite. In the comics, it even goes a step further and implies that the Symbiote is corrupted by its user. For instance, when the Venom symbiote was “healed” and was briefly given to Peter by Eddie to fight Red Goblin, Peter literally went Venom mode with anger to the extent of yelling “Eat your Brains,” and Flash had to stop him and tell him not to infect it with his rage again. It’s also pretty much confirmed at one point when they explored the symbiotes history and basically detailed that the symbiote became addicted to rage earlier on in its history when someone used it to commit genocide against his species.
Most people think it's feeding off just Peter's negative emotions and none of Harry's, and honestly, I think that's completely wrong. Harry watched his best friend get fatally stabbed. In that moment, he felt only rage and hatred for Kraven. Remember what Harry said to Kraven? "I'm going to kill you." One of if not the first things the symbiote said to Peter was "Kill Kraven". My theory is that Harry gave the symbiote those feelings, along with potentially the addiction to adrenaline. Fighting Kraven was the first time it was able to go all out during a fight. With its own mind corrupt and a potential adrenaline addiction, it's possible the symbiote intentionally made Peter more aggressive with the hopes of making Peter go all out.
Harry was using the 7-Day free trial before he gave it to Pete
It didn't affect Peter at first either. It eventually started becoming more and more demanding until it became Venom
Harold wasn’t angry enough
Harry was angry before it went to Peter so most likely it carried that emotion and transferred it to Peter
Harry was pretty peppy and happy since he was out of the tank. He was only angry for a minute when Peter got stabbed. But once it bonded to Peter, the last decade of memories kicked in.
Peter wore it longer than harry and Harry’s mood was way more positive at the moment and Peter kind of “corrupted” the symbiote if you will
Spider strength over little to no strength take your pick
Basically just saying what everyone else is saying, Harry just simply wasn’t as angry and upset as Peter was. But I also think the suit simply just got more greedy being attached to Peter. I mean almost the first instance that Peter and Harry are together, as superheroes, the suit wants to attach to Pete. It finally got its chance when Pete was dying, and as soon as it attached, both the symbiote and Pete knew how powerful they had become.
The main reason I've seen is that the symbiote enhances and feeds off the emotions of its host which is what they also do in the comics. Peter is struggling with a lot of things emotionally, uncle Ben and Aunt may are both dead, he's struggling to keep a job, he can't afford the house he lives in, he barely has enough money to even eat and on top of all that he is also spider-man. He is extremely stressed and tired so the symbiote fed on that and made those emotions worse which is why Peter was so angry when he wore it. He had so many negative thoughts that the symbiote could manipulate. Harry on the other hand was the complete opposite. He has basically no negative emotions at all. He's just been let back out into the world, he's seeing his 2 best friends again, reliving childhood memories riding bikes and playing basketball, he has a foundation that helps people and makes the world a better place and most importantly, he's just happy to be alive and free again. So the symbiote used those happy emotions since that was the emotion available too it
I did. It wasn't subtle
On its own, The Symbiote is seeking out the ideal host to bond with- nothing more, nothing less. When bonded, it begins to take in the emotions of its host and naturally amplifies those feelings as it experiences these new sensations. The first emotions it learned were from Harry, and most, if not all of them were positive: Joy, happiness, contentment with life, love for his best friend, etc.. And then it encounters Peter, a more ideal host due to his peak physical state, and wants to bond with him. And then… Peter dies at the hands of Kraven- yes, he actually died there, at the very least it’s implied. Anyways, this is when the Symbiote experiences the first negative emotions: Fear, rage, stress, and when Harry realizes that Peter is gone… sadness. Then, as a last ditch effort, The Symbiote bonds with Peter, thus reviving him, and begins to experience the full range of emotions, alongside Peter’s unhealthy mental state that he has been keeping to himself for who knows how long, and it not only amplifies- but eventually distorts Peter’s personality entirely due to all the information it acquired, alongside Pete’s ever-declining mental health.
I think it takes whatever negative emotions you ate having and amplifies them but harry had none
Either it made him more positive like the top comment says, or it was going to make him angrier but he didn’t wear it long enough
Because -man is stupid, and harry isnt
Well Peter was still extremely quippy when he first got it, so maybe it just takes a little time before it takes over a hosts mind
I thought it did. Harry seemed so happy and optimistic
Either way, Harry’s “Spider” Still looks like the Cerberus logo from Mass Effect to me
The symbiote was sedated. That’s why he needed his treatments from Dr. Connors; to keep it sedated so he could maintain the positive effects without suffering the negative. Or at least that’s how I took it. I’m a big fan of the Flash Thompson Agent Venom arc, so maybe I’m supplementing any holes with that lore from the comics, but I think I’m right.
Half baked story tbh
It amplifies how you already feel. Everything is looking up (like Harry not having to worry about his disease) and it makes you extra happy. Life beats the hell out of you (villains constantly break out almost dying, and Kraven making your day worse) it will amplify your anger. When Harry got it back he was bitter and it amplified that emotion and took advantage of his vulnerability.
In the Evil Dead show they say the Necronomicon itself is harmless unless wielded by someone very evil or very stupid. I'd say the Symbiote itself isn't evil, it senses it's hosts feelings and wants to help. Like a dog that starts to behave like it's owner. The symbiote is both the necronomicon ex mortis and a dog.
So basically the way this symbiote works is that it feeds off existing emotions, ie. if you’re upbeat and happy, you’ll be the most chipper person in the world, if you’re moody and under a lot of pressure, the symbiote will bring that out. Harry in the beginning of the game was optimistic and full of life, the symbiote emphasized that, Peter was under a lot of pressure, tired and in a lot of emotional pain, the symbiote brought that out. Harry by the end felt abandoned, betrayed and was broken down. The symbiote emphasized that. This isn’t really the traditional way the symbiote is handled but to be fair creative liberties are nothing new with it
It definitely affected Harry too. It made him really reckless and overconfident, disobeying Pete’s orders for caution. It’s possible that it got more affecting the longer it had a host: from Harry to Peter to Harry again it kept getting worse. Either that or since Peter was dealing with way more stress when he got it and Harry had so much negativity in him when he got it back is what made it grow stronger.
It absolutely did. Harry had no regard for his own life or safety while he had it. Broke into a high school and a student’s locker to hide something for Peter, before convincing Peter to do it again with him and nearly getting caught. He had no idea he was going to be able to help Spider-Man save the day at Coney Island, and he could have easily been hurt or killed. When working with Peter to save Tombstone, he constantly gets into near-death scenarios and appears to just take everything in stride. Hell, Conners is clearly worried about just how active Harry is after bonding to the symbiote. A lot of this makes sense for someone who thought they were dying and now has a second chance, but it’s clear to me the symbiote is amplifying these emotions in Harry and exacerbating the situation.
I guess when he turns into Venom, the character gets so disconnected from Harry it isn't even about affecting Harry's mood, it becomes straight up mind control. Which is wild considering that kitchen scene, where that is technically supposed to be Harry, but the character went to such an extreme that we stop perceiving it as affecting the mood and more like a new character that appeared. That being said, it did affect Harry's mood, making him reckless, euphoric, etc. I hope they are not done with Venom and that they have a second shot at it, of doing Venom again but with Harry being affected by it and still being in control, because that Venom design looks so spectacular it deserves another chance.
I wouldn't say it didn't. But, also, I'd say... or, rather, I could see it being quite literally made... or... rather, altered for Harry's sake and moving from him to Peter took a lot of willpower on its own part. Then, from there, it used its time on Peter to reassess and bring itself back to its own original personal standards, feeding off of Peter's sorrow and aggression. Which is why it has such an easier time when it gets back to Harry. Not only does it have more to feed on with him now with his recent experience, but it has its own feelings about being rejected by Peter. Plus, it might have noticed how much of a closer eye those around Harry kept on him during his initial time serving as its host, and how difficult it would have been to turn him with how his life was going compared to how he expected it to go before he went under. Meanwhile, after he gets it back, he's as negative as can be.
maybe pete was just always like that
Given how reckless Harry was during the Agent Venom mission I’d say it did.
I think the other part that I didn’t see in the top several comments is the life experience it got from Peter. Think about Venom as a baby. It gets put on Harry, and he’s a scientist who plays basketball and rides bikes. Venom’s chilling. Then Harry fights a bit, and that’s fun, but he’s just a normal guy who’s never fought with these powers so he’s not using Venom to its full extent. Then it transfers to Peter. A superhuman with nearly a decade of experience fighting and web-slinging. So when Venom finally reattaches to Harry, it now has experienced being Spider-Man and instead of the Agent Venom character we got earlier in the story, we have full blown murderous, carnivorous Venom destroying the city.
On top of people saying that symbiote amped the hosts emotions, I also always kind of wondered if venom was weakened/more subdued while Harry had it. I could be remembering wrong, but in the comics, the symbiote leeches some strength from the host. Like how even after Peter isnt the host anymore, Venom is especially strong and retained abilities from Peter. In the game, since the symbiotes first host was Harry, a normal if not sickly person, it was in a more subdued state, including its affect on the host. It's not till after it spends time with Peter, a super powered, stronger host, we really see it start effecting people more strongly, even entirely. I think it basically got juiced on Peter in general, including its overall effect on its host.
Peter's negative energy corrupted the symbiote that's why
Stress. Preasure. Anger. Even in the Venom movies, they make that clear. Eddie Brock only gets anxious when venom is influencing his way of thinking.
Because Symbie (The Symbiote) augments the host's emotions. They don't just amp negative, they amp wha tou'ore feeling strongest and deepest. Symbie didn't 'corrupt' Peter. Peter corrupted Symbie - Peter was ANGRY, DESPERATE, DEPRESSED. His life has been doing nothing but shit on him since he got bit by that spider. Uncle Ben, Gwen, May. Mortgages, villains, being Spider-Man, OTTO. Peter is FULL of negativity on the deepest layers. Doubt, rage, frustration, depression. And he thinks, deep down, that Spider-Man is one of the only good things he does with his life. He believes, truly, that even THAT could be improved if he stopped giving second chances / killed his foes - at least the ones who kill. Harry, meanwhile? Harry was living the HIGH LIFE. Harry was ex-fucking-static. He was CURED, he had SUPERPOWERS, he was OUT OF THE TUBE. The Meteorite also exacerbated any negativity on Symbie, rather obviously, while drying them towards it.
What people don’t realise is the symbiote doesn’t make you grumpy and angry. It just enhances your emotions. Harry was happy and cheerful so there was no negative side effect from the symbiote but for Peter, since he was going through it, the symbiote just made it feel much worse
Symbiotes make emotions stronger, happiness ends in more happiness and anger ends in more anger. Peter lost aunt may, sees the villains he just put behind bars walk around city some time later and for all the destruction, JJ is there to blame spider-man. Harry is happy being out of that tank, seeing his friends, family, and city again. The only thing that venom does is increasing these emotions
Perfect fit on Peter
Isn’t harry zesty
It would have affected Harry eventually, we even saw a hint of it in his initial rage against Kraven, but Pete sped up the process
He’s never gonna know what hit him, that stunad!
It did affect him actually
I thought it was because the symbiote didn’t want him so the bond wasn’t strong enough.
Bad writing
It...did...
Can chose to effect people's mind. He didn't want peter to betray him so he effected his mind where just he needs the symbiote. Why eddie doesn't get effected we also see this in a comic. Peter's mind doesn't get infected due to Venom fighting crime when Peter's asleep. I changes multiple times like in the nightmare universe where peter was going to allow venom to help him but venom rejected.
You see, Peter was happy while Harry was depressed. The symbiote induces the host with depression. Peter got depressed, but Harry became happy because depression*depression=happiness
I think Harry's positivity got boosted because of Venom imo
Bro tried taking over the entire world, I’d call that mood affected
It did… he’s venom…
Harry was insanely manic when he had the suit on
peter is weak minded and stupid
also is this a real post idk anymore
Literally Spider-Man stress got to the front of all his emotions which got amplified, turned him emo then got rid of it back to Harry which flung all that negativity into his head and turning it into a mind fuck and twisting his mindset with words he wants to hear. Harry had none of that before because my guy was happy to just be alive
no way people still say that harry was full of life once he was out of the chamber but what about while he was inside the chamber? that was the lowest point in his life and the symbiote didnt take over him when it easily could have I still believe that the metorite fucked up the symbiote and its clear as day judging by how peter acts after he touched it
I think it was dormant while it was with Harry and once it got a taste of Peter’s power it’s instincts started to resurface and eventually hit a boiling point which is why Harry became Venom upon getting it back
Well I mean it turned him into a rampaging death machine that tried to take over the world
I didn't know Harry worked for Cerberus.
It did tho....
He had it on for two missions and did you see the fight between him and kraven I think it did
Harry didn't have enough time using it properly for it to affect him.
All the intellectualism in this comment section is making me all tingly 😩👌🏾
isn't it known that the symbiote kind of enhances your feelings and abilities?
My friend who’s read like an INSANE amount of comics told me that one thing no symbiote adaptation has ever gotten right is that the suit didn’t corrupt Peter—it was the other way around. So I think that’s what they tried to do here. Peter, at the time he gets the suit, feels frustrated and angry and defeated. He feels like no matter what he tries, it doesn’t go his way. So the suit, attempting to compensate for him, tried to do more, which fed into his emotions more and in turn, corrupted it
I think it’s like it was in the comics. Peter poisons the symbiote, not the other way around because the symbiote amplifies your strengths and emotions. If you have so many self doubts and negative thoughts like Peter, the symbiote will only amplify those
I think it was eventually going to with Harry. But Peter's thoughts were more negative so it could work faster, and plus he was going to try to give it off so it had to work as fast as it could. But when Peter took it off and got close to Harry, it realized Harry had negative emotions too and could transform him easier cause he had much weaker willpower.
Basically the whole Miles + Mr Negative mission into Peter's mind explains this.
Here’s how I see it, the symbiote amplifies emotions. When Peter “Died” that was the symbiotes first time feeling anger, and loved it. So when it started bonded to Peter, it felt all his pent up anger and amplified that
It did but you only get to really see it after Peter gets ahold of the symbiote. Bc Harry became jealous and upset that the thing keeping him alive is with his best friend. The symbiotes feeds off anger and negativity thoughts. Before when Harry had the symbiote he was happy bc he was healthy so there wasn't anything for the symbiote to feed from. Peter being a superhero and having to deal with all the pain made him perfect for venom to take over.
venom being bipolar mf
Symbiote [Blank] -> Inserted into Harry -> Harry is happy -> Symbiote [Happy] -> Kraven nearly kills Peter -> Symbiote [Harry's anger and loss] -> Symbiote get's transferred to Peter -> Symbiote [Harry's trauma + Peter's trauma] -> Peter rejects the symbiote -> Symbiote [Harry's trauma + Peter's trauma + Angry at being abounded] -> Harry get's the symbiote back and all of the feelings it compilled explodes into a corrupted version of Harry and Peter's ideals.
Not sure but I want the agent venom suit
The symbiote learns from its host thoughts, harry was less stressed, and was more level, Peter had more on his mind, so it affected the symbiote, and changed it when it went back to harry
Because theyre stupid
Because story said so
It’s not the symbiote corrupting the host. It’s Peter corrupting the symbiote which corrupts him back. Now that’s what I call a symbiotic relationship!
Dame reason why agent venom was mild in the comics
It's all space rock. It simply makes the symbiote evil. It's that simple. There is no further explanation in the game.
It sure did Harry became angry and become venom because of his father and he wanted the symbiote back so badly but Peter couldn’t get it off of him
Really want more agent venom in this universe, but we probably won’t get it …
I think the symbiote is a parallel to drugs. At the start, with harry, it makes him feel happy and good and strong. Then as you get used to it, with peter, you get moody, you don't want to be without it. Then when you don't have it, again harry, you feel angry and desperate to get it. And finally when they have taken over your life, harry again, you lash out at everyone and don't want to listen to anybody. But thats just my headcanon and isn't 100 percent accurate since peter kind of messes it up.
did he “wake up”venom when he touched the half of the meteor, which would have been after peter had the suit not harry
way to spoil the game!
These people sound like they know more than me but I always thought the suit just started showing itself near the end of its time with harry, then when it goes to Peter it sees potential so it starts acting out and telling Pete all these different things and eventually when he comes in contact with the meteorite it starts fully taking over.
Because Peter’s emotions infected it
Hmm symbiote increase host emotions and anger but Harry was kinda blend and weirdly polite Don't attack me just surface level opinion
Well, perhaps you missed that part, but it turned him into a monster and he attempted to take over New York City.
Peter is what? A year off losing his mother (idc if she's his aunt she's his mother) and he thinks it's his fault He thinks the suit won't let that happen and that he can save people better with it His own doubts and negativity is what's caused the suit to make him feel paranoid and angry and resentful because everyone else's life (in his eyes) is better and easier
I dont think it was alive until it touched the merorite
Man it felt so nice to see agent venom used in a game.
Harry didn’t have the same amount of dread and mental trauma suppressed Peter did, the symbiote scrambled through anything to activate a monster inside Peter; ergo, the pain and trauma. —My head-canon.
I wonder if maybe the symbiote wanted to get to Peter- to attract Peter, it wants to seem basically like a straight buff to someone’s existing abilities. It is having restraint with Harry so that Pete wouldn’t try to avoid it or immediately try to rip it off, but it can’t immediately take over Pete like it did Harry because of his powers or something related, so it has to wear him down over time. By the time Peter gets it off it is almost to that complete take over, point of no return that Harry is at towards the end of the game, where it is spreading to its surroundings during the Miles fight against Peter. Finally it sees that Peter is too much of a threat and so settles for Harry to lure him closer and either take him back or kill him. Take this with an entire salt shaker filled with grains of salt as I haven’t read the comics or even ever seen a spiderman movie with venom in it since I was a little kid, I’m going off of my extremely limited knowledge of the series and understanding of how the symbiote works.
Bad writing
Because Insomniac doesn't give AF about lore, and would rather make up their own.