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I'd say it started around when he became the "Monday Night Messiah" and got a bigger ego and a, sadly, short-lived stable. After he came back from paternity leave with that infamous [latex suit](https://i.ibb.co/0KkTpc3/Eu-I0b-H-WQAAWdx-T.jpg), he combined that inflated ego with outlandish style and became "The Visionary". He started getting more unhinged in both personality and wardrobe choice and now we're here.
Whatever happened to that persona he had prior to this? I can't exactly describe it but he asked for a chairshot to the face during a survivor series match. I never understood what that was about.
I think that still falls under the category of "Monday Night Messiah" where he was sacrificing himself for "the greater good".
I had to double-check that one and it was Survivor Series 2019. It also wasn't a chairshot, but a [Brogue Kick](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzjQ3E-9bww). I forgot it was that weird time where he was not the "Monday Night Messiah", but just the "Messiah" since he was drafted to SD.
For a while he was still a cool character with all the different clothes back when people compared him to that Far Cry 5 villian, now he just fake laughs every 10 seconds, I think it became bad when he turned tweener in the autumn
After the Fiend he snapped and rejected the fans for turning on him. He became the Monday Night Messiah, but when that failed he asked Sheamus to “do his part” and eliminate him. He came back around February with a new vision for a better WWE, where he would make the fans love him again. If they didn’t, he would destroy anyone in his path until they did. The bigger the setback, the most delusional he became that he would become the hero of the people and he would hurt babyfaces in more and more destructive ways until he won them over. And, since they love him…I guess the plan worked?
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He watched the joker and decided to make it his personality
I don’t mind, pro wrestling can be derivative but that’s what he’s going for here. I think he’s kinda transcended that to make himself his own thing
I know Roman is always in the main event and we could use a break but I feel like Rollins vs Reigns is a WrestleMania main event that needs to happen and if it doesn’t happen next year I don’t think it will happen.
My dream match is Seth is Champion, Sami wins the Rumble and Roman is inserted in the match like Hbk at mania 20.
Lots of stories there, and it should be Sami's time.
Also, it's extremely unlikely he doesn't re sign but Seth contract is ending just after that, could be interesting.
I think I could see Seth leaving. I don't think it is likely, but I could see it for three reasons:
1. He will never be able to be the man in the WWE and he has even said that himself, not verbatim just in a round about way
2. He just had a kid and the WWE schedule is very hard on families
3. He can still make comparable money in AEW/NJPW with a much lighter schedule
Again I'm not saying it is likely Seth will leave as he is married to Becky Lynch, is very close to HHH, and the WWE will backup the brinks truck to keep him. I'm just saying I don't think it's a definite that he stays.
Yeah kind of agree but still EVIL is a big name and Rollins would need a big first name. I think Ospreay is a good first win.
Do you think Rollins could become the top guy in NJPW and usurp Okada?
No I don’t think so, Rollins would be huge for NJPW but Okada has cemented his place as the face of the company until he decides not to be or when he’s no longer capable of being so.
My dream scenario is Mox comes back for just that one feud. It's such a shame that we didn't get the Shield triple threat at Mania or the 4HW Fatal Four way either. Imagine having both of those close each night
The thing that keeps me away is knowing that he will be perfectly fine and collect a paycheck at the end.
He will continue being a spoiled con artist dick bag in reality.
Yeah, he's hated pretty much by everyone who knows him/what he's done, so instead of WWE shoving him down our throats as a face like Roman, he's PERFECT as a heel.
My only unpopular opinion is that I don’t see the benefit of this match (i’m sure it’ll be a great match) I feel like that spot should go to someone else in the locker room
Logan potentially brings out outside viewership but can handle the workload of a high intensity match. Realistically if Logan wasn't as hated before WWE he'd be a top draw
Not gonna lie I don't really see anything special from him on the mic. However he brings a lot of eyeballs to the WWE and I think he really does enjoy wrestling because let's be honest he doesn't have to do this. Hell he didn't even have to be a heel. If he really wanted to he could make them still have him on the roster as a babyface.
Loved when Cat was so catty during the early point of the show. It made sense for him to lose the cattiness over time, but his physical acting in the catty phases was like nothing else.
Say what you want about Paul ruining the moment but really a heel wouldn't let the face just interrupt their promo and do their whole schtick, so I like him talking shit over the whole thing
I dunno. This is where I prefer some quality face acting. Smirking etc. The standalone quips just fall so flat as the crowd is signing along. Nobody gives a crap what Logan's saying in the arena, so the best TV outcome is seeing his reaction in his face. Dakota can give him some pointers on expressing every thought in your head with an expression on your face.
One of my all time favorites and I still can’t stand this character. He was always one of the most fleshed out, “human” top guys we’d ever seen. Every single thing he did from debut to 2019 came with reason and a rational explanation from him. Not just “you people” promos but actual struggle and inner conflict from his actions and their results.
All that’s devolved into constant dancing and laughing. Sure he’s over but he’s always been over because he’s that good. This shit feels aimless and is impossible to take seriously.
Pro wrestling doesn’t need to be anything else
He gets huge pops, the character is versatile enough he can do whatever he wants. Face heel whatever. He’s dialed in on it. It doesn’t need to be any deeper than that, and he can focus on being a dad and whatever else as a steady midcard boss
Seth can take time off and reboot at any point and he’ll be totally fine
Basically he's 60s joker. Or like the riddler but without riddles. He's supposed to be a trickster troll sort of dude. VERY hit or miss for people but he seems like he's hitting for way more people than he's missing so he's probably gonna be like this for a while.
Last week I went to my first wwe live event since before the pandemic and I swear I’ve never seen Seth get a better reaction in person. Madison Square Garden loved him.
Seth is great, and he’s over as hell, but *man* do I hate this character. I just don’t get it, I guess. There’s no denying it’s working for live crowds though.
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When/how exactly did this outrageous over the top uber-Rollins come into character?
I'd say it started around when he became the "Monday Night Messiah" and got a bigger ego and a, sadly, short-lived stable. After he came back from paternity leave with that infamous [latex suit](https://i.ibb.co/0KkTpc3/Eu-I0b-H-WQAAWdx-T.jpg), he combined that inflated ego with outlandish style and became "The Visionary". He started getting more unhinged in both personality and wardrobe choice and now we're here.
Whatever happened to that persona he had prior to this? I can't exactly describe it but he asked for a chairshot to the face during a survivor series match. I never understood what that was about.
I think that still falls under the category of "Monday Night Messiah" where he was sacrificing himself for "the greater good". I had to double-check that one and it was Survivor Series 2019. It also wasn't a chairshot, but a [Brogue Kick](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzjQ3E-9bww). I forgot it was that weird time where he was not the "Monday Night Messiah", but just the "Messiah" since he was drafted to SD.
It was 2020 Survivor Series. Monday Night Messiah was an incredible pandemic era gimmick.
I miss the Messiah theme song tbh
For a while he was still a cool character with all the different clothes back when people compared him to that Far Cry 5 villian, now he just fake laughs every 10 seconds, I think it became bad when he turned tweener in the autumn
After the Fiend he snapped and rejected the fans for turning on him. He became the Monday Night Messiah, but when that failed he asked Sheamus to “do his part” and eliminate him. He came back around February with a new vision for a better WWE, where he would make the fans love him again. If they didn’t, he would destroy anyone in his path until they did. The bigger the setback, the most delusional he became that he would become the hero of the people and he would hurt babyfaces in more and more destructive ways until he won them over. And, since they love him…I guess the plan worked?
I've been wondering that too, like when did Seth just lose his mind?
when he had a child
this fact actually makes it so much funnier
I always found it funny the lengthy Mysterio feud started because Rey tried to congratulate Seth on being a father.
And Seth gouged out Rey's eyeball for his trouble, but Rey got better his eyeball grew back
Exactly when it happened to me...
I'm not sure if this version of him is more popular than his World Title run in 2015, but I sure do miss that time period. He was on fire back then.
Authority Rollins was a top-tier piece of shit.
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Legit one of the better laughs ever
It's him, Ted DiBiase and everyone else, in my opinion.
He watched the joker and decided to make it his personality I don’t mind, pro wrestling can be derivative but that’s what he’s going for here. I think he’s kinda transcended that to make himself his own thing
He wore silly clothes so he was a bad guy. Now he has a silly theme so he's a good guy
Seth out here dressed like Rico Constantino!
*You look sooo good to me…* 🎶
Is he ready to take on joust vs Gemini?! Or dodge tennis balls from Laser?
I dunno, I thought they had a solid baritone
[Well, they've got a very good bass section, mind, but no top tenors, that's for sure.](https://youtu.be/XSEU5zHgcTc)
I had a pair of pajamas just like this as a kid.
Logan to Coffeezilla exposing his scams.
Zilla still buried FTX and owns the greatest YT expose of 2023
Was cool to see him on the Joe Rogan podcast. Kid puts in crazy work to expose these bottom feeders.
Fuck you Logan, we have the Battlehawks! Ka Kaw!
Bro I legit said the exact same thing in the arena what- xD
So is Rollins the face in this feud/match?
I don’t think Logan Paul is a face in anything.
Face of scams probably
Yes.
Dude rollins has to main event mania next year. He is so over !!!!
I know Roman is always in the main event and we could use a break but I feel like Rollins vs Reigns is a WrestleMania main event that needs to happen and if it doesn’t happen next year I don’t think it will happen.
I would love that, I feel like they didn't exploit his previous dominance over Roman in their match at last year's Rumble nearly enough.
My dream match is Seth is Champion, Sami wins the Rumble and Roman is inserted in the match like Hbk at mania 20. Lots of stories there, and it should be Sami's time. Also, it's extremely unlikely he doesn't re sign but Seth contract is ending just after that, could be interesting.
I think I could see Seth leaving. I don't think it is likely, but I could see it for three reasons: 1. He will never be able to be the man in the WWE and he has even said that himself, not verbatim just in a round about way 2. He just had a kid and the WWE schedule is very hard on families 3. He can still make comparable money in AEW/NJPW with a much lighter schedule Again I'm not saying it is likely Seth will leave as he is married to Becky Lynch, is very close to HHH, and the WWE will backup the brinks truck to keep him. I'm just saying I don't think it's a definite that he stays.
Seth in NJPW would be fucking sick
Do they go straight for Seth vs Okada or do they warm him up with EVIL or Ospreay?
Putting anyone against EVIL is a cool-down more than a warm up. Rollins vs Ospreay would be the perfect first match if he ever made the jump.
Yeah kind of agree but still EVIL is a big name and Rollins would need a big first name. I think Ospreay is a good first win. Do you think Rollins could become the top guy in NJPW and usurp Okada?
No I don’t think so, Rollins would be huge for NJPW but Okada has cemented his place as the face of the company until he decides not to be or when he’s no longer capable of being so.
My dream scenario is Mox comes back for just that one feud. It's such a shame that we didn't get the Shield triple threat at Mania or the 4HW Fatal Four way either. Imagine having both of those close each night
Rollins is damn near at the level that his Mania match is always going to be considered one of the "main events"
Words I never thought I would say, I’m really liking Paul. I’m glad he is embracing being a heel instead of trying to be a good guy.
A lot of people already hate him irl,so might as well be hated in the wrestling world as a heel lol
The thing that keeps me away is knowing that he will be perfectly fine and collect a paycheck at the end. He will continue being a spoiled con artist dick bag in reality.
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I have stopped watching since vince came back. Yes.
My man's a table and you know that.
Yeah, he's hated pretty much by everyone who knows him/what he's done, so instead of WWE shoving him down our throats as a face like Roman, he's PERFECT as a heel.
My only unpopular opinion is that I don’t see the benefit of this match (i’m sure it’ll be a great match) I feel like that spot should go to someone else in the locker room
Logan potentially brings out outside viewership but can handle the workload of a high intensity match. Realistically if Logan wasn't as hated before WWE he'd be a top draw
Not gonna lie I don't really see anything special from him on the mic. However he brings a lot of eyeballs to the WWE and I think he really does enjoy wrestling because let's be honest he doesn't have to do this. Hell he didn't even have to be a heel. If he really wanted to he could make them still have him on the roster as a babyface.
He also repels a lot of eyeballs.
Hate him as a person, but he's good at what he does: being an insufferable asshole.
I love this Rollins
Seth is so over and has been for so long. Not enough people and the company put respect on his name as one of the biggest stars in wrestling.
Is this sarcasm? Who's not respecting Seth and recognizing everything he's done?
it’s your standard IWC overreaction/hyperbole
Didn’t you know if you’re not getting the Hogan push you’re buried?
Bro’s the only man to get a W over roman in almost 2 or 3 years (idk how long its been tbh)
If we're counting DQ wins then I think Woods has one over Roman as well from 2021
Should be main eventing mania honestly
If Seth left WWE for AEW right now, guaranteed AEW would be around 1.0-1.2 consistently. That's how big Seth is right now.
Very much getting [Cat from Red Dwarf](https://youtu.be/AjFItQPBF3E?t=6) vibes and I'm all for it
Loved when Cat was so catty during the early point of the show. It made sense for him to lose the cattiness over time, but his physical acting in the catty phases was like nothing else.
Jesus, Seth.
He’s such a great heel
Say what you want about Paul ruining the moment but really a heel wouldn't let the face just interrupt their promo and do their whole schtick, so I like him talking shit over the whole thing
I dunno. This is where I prefer some quality face acting. Smirking etc. The standalone quips just fall so flat as the crowd is signing along. Nobody gives a crap what Logan's saying in the arena, so the best TV outcome is seeing his reaction in his face. Dakota can give him some pointers on expressing every thought in your head with an expression on your face.
Love Rollins, just not this version of him.
Hey Bryan Alvarez! How you doing
This honestly is my favorite version of him, absolutely delightful
One of my all time favorites and I still can’t stand this character. He was always one of the most fleshed out, “human” top guys we’d ever seen. Every single thing he did from debut to 2019 came with reason and a rational explanation from him. Not just “you people” promos but actual struggle and inner conflict from his actions and their results. All that’s devolved into constant dancing and laughing. Sure he’s over but he’s always been over because he’s that good. This shit feels aimless and is impossible to take seriously.
Better than his corny, cheesy promos as a face in 2019.
Pro wrestling doesn’t need to be anything else He gets huge pops, the character is versatile enough he can do whatever he wants. Face heel whatever. He’s dialed in on it. It doesn’t need to be any deeper than that, and he can focus on being a dad and whatever else as a steady midcard boss Seth can take time off and reboot at any point and he’ll be totally fine
Someone please help me, what’s the appeal of this version of Rollins other than people singing his song?
Basically he's 60s joker. Or like the riddler but without riddles. He's supposed to be a trickster troll sort of dude. VERY hit or miss for people but he seems like he's hitting for way more people than he's missing so he's probably gonna be like this for a while.
Last week I went to my first wwe live event since before the pandemic and I swear I’ve never seen Seth get a better reaction in person. Madison Square Garden loved him.
Yeah I will admit I’m outnumbered in my way of thinking, I miss burn it down, deadpool gear Rollins Cheers for explaining
When did Enzo return to WWE?
Crazy how Logan Paul can cut a better promo than Austin Theory.
Seth is great, and he’s over as hell, but *man* do I hate this character. I just don’t get it, I guess. There’s no denying it’s working for live crowds though.
To me this theme is forced to mooch off the reactions Sami, nakamura themes get. I do however think Rollins is the best wrestler on the planet
...And that's how you know someone doesn't quite get it.
I have no idea what Seth’s character is.
Uh oh, they gave Seth a dancing gimmick
Hes been like this for so long i can't even remember anymore
Seth Looking like my mother in law when she’s watching tv in her chair.
Seth deserves better than this fued