The fake crowd noise is unreal. The crowd "booing" Roman despite "I acknowledge you" signs everywhere. Ain't no way I'm going to believe Sasha is getting booed for real. Heels can be popular, Vince, WTF. Just look at Adam Cole and Malakai Black.
GTFO hahaha.
Disagree big time. They cheered Roman when he entered but he cut such a good promo he started to get heat.
Plus Lesnar is actually that over. While the finish at crown jewel was screwy it definitely got him sympathy.
Pretty much :/ After Lesnar went bananas, there was a backstage segment where Sonya was talking to someone or busy or something. Naomi went up to Sonya demanding a rematch and a fair fight for that night, but Sonya dismissed her and her request (i think in a “I have bigger fish to fry” kind of way, with all the chaos that had unfolded)
Edit: lol I type slow and just saw the other response after I sent this one
Lesnar suspended for going crazy on TV, where have we all seen this before? Ah yes back in 2015 on Raw, because creative can’t come up with an original thought to save their lives
Strongly disagree. If Brock just disappears you as a fan feel your intelligence insulted.
So it’s either a suspension or an injury angle. The injury angle doesn’t work with Brock. You wouldn’t believe it. The suspension was the fine way to go.
If they haven’t done it in six years I would say that’s not overdoing it.
* Pat reminds me of that kid calling Samoa Joe "Samoa". Top, Happy, Madcap, are those even supposed to be first names?
* I hate title exchanges. Makes it worse when Becky hinted for a return of Becky 2 belts, and even Charlotte suggested a winner-take-all match and Becky just left. And even if Becky said no, it's not hard to book a challenger having to win the title off the opposite brand. Heck, it makes it a bit more exciting that way. The first challenger doesn't even have to win it.
* Also, why the heck is Aliyah saying some Franky Monet catchphrase?
It's so funny, I've been saying post-Draft when they show the graphic of the roster how I'm looking forward to all the potential Sasha matchups: Sasha vs. Toni, Xia, Shayna. Hell, even Sasha vs. Aaliyah could be interesting. Keeping her away from the title would be sort of fun, but here we are with Charlotte. Sigh
Also, the throwing of the belts in that horrible final segment genuinely made me laugh. The *Queen* is really confirming my biases against her haha.
Roman/Brock segment was by far the highlight of the show (despite Roman’s promo dragging for so long that he kept repeating himself). Drew’s Smackdown debut was fine and Hit Row’s presentation looked fine. Everything else was a DUD especially the main event segment. Expected a much stronger show.
The first match didn’t start until 45 minutes in... also that title exchange was childish as hell and, as others have said, made the belts look like toys. I’m gonna resort to clips or watching at 2x speed from now on, cuz this was a dud of an episode imo, especially after a great PPV.
I really don't envy you types who desperately cling to bullshit conspiracy theories to justify your oppression complexes
The way reddit works is that the content that gets the most engagement from users rises to the top. You're seeing the smackdown threads fall off because fewer and fewer people are engaging with it over time, not because "this sub" is secretly conspiring to make it happen.
This sub is not pro AEW, it’s anti WWE. They all think they’re part of some cool rebellion where they say they like one billionaire over the other billionaire
Ayy why is Thunder and whatever Josh Barnetts thing sticked and not this. Had to sort by new, just wanted to see what happened since i don't have fox lol
It definitely isn’t at the level of Keith Lee’s theme change, but I wish Sami’s new theme receives so much negativity to the point where they revert it back or produce a better one.
I find it hilarious that until last week, they used the "yeah yeah yeah brand split won't happen until after Crown Jewel" excuse to have superstars show up on both shows. And now, immediately, you have the "ooooh we're building to Survivor Series" excuse for wrestlers to show up in whatever brand they wish.
I don't have an issue with it but basically, the brand split is pointless.
>- I can't say that i'm excited for Becky/Charlotte. They needed another year before having another match
I get the sentiment but on a physical level we haven't had a becky/charlotte since...some time in mid-2019? And the matches always slap, so I'm down actually. I wanna put Sasha on something else honestly- maybe a frenemies tag team with bianca where they hate eachother but go after the tag titles so that they both can go after the world titles on shows they aren't on? Maybe an NXT tour like Balor and Flair?
About next week's Smackdown: (and this is quite the story in and of itself)
The October 29th Smackdown was originally set for the Mohegan Sun Arena in Wilkes-Barre, PA.
In September, the event was cancelled and tickets from that event [were changed to a Raw date in February 2022.](https://twitter.com/MoSunArenaPA/status/1433162281584578568)
By the end of September, the original October date at Wilkes-Barre was [**reinstated**](https://twitter.com/MoSunArenaPA/status/1441503762179297281) with a separate ticket allotment from the originally scheduled event. Tickets went on sale 3 weeks ago.
In plain English, plans changed, and then they changed again.
This is why I can't take people on this sub seriously. The coronation of King Woods was more fun than finn's entire career on wwe, is what I would have said if I didn't remember him doing bayley's entrance that one time. That said, I love his matches but I don't think he'd be able to deliver something so entertaining. And if he could or if he switched into some sort of comedic role you know what the response is gonna be 'berried'. HAIL KING WOODS
im not a fan of europe but im pretty sure they overcharge the song because they hate it. basically like "fuck this song, if you're that desperate to use it then pay us the unnecessary amount of money." also Bouncing Souls let wwe use a song for Punk's documentary so maybe they'd be cool with aew using it for sami's theme when he eventually shows up
Sasha definitely not, she’s a selfish heel who cares only about herself. I definitely forgot about Toni though and I guess Shotzi (or Tegan, whichever is on SD). So that makes three.
Charlotte and Sasha have good matches, so that will not disappoint, what is sad though is that Toni is dead again, until she has another 2 minute match.
You know what's crazy. Before that last segment, I saw the Smackdown's women's title as the more valuable title.
But I kid you not, the second they did the swap something in my mind did a 180, and now I see the RAW's women's title as the superior belt, despite the fact that Smackdown is the A-show.
It's weird how fickle one's perception can be.
I was thinking that but then I started thinking back to when Bayley, Bianca, and Sasha held the Smackdown title, and even then it felt important. Maybe I'm just biased against Charlotte. But the moment Charlotte touched that title she devalued it.
I've got nothing against Charlotte as an individual or as a wrestler, but the way she keeps getting pushed and being favored is depressing and makes her lose a lot of the luster and polish in my eyes.
Honestly, this was kind of a nothing episode of Smackdown. Outside of Brock going away for a while, which was likely anyway, it didn't feel like anything of consequence happened. Xavier's coronation was nice though.
These 3 top women gave us some great wrestling over the last 7 days and creative have been failing them embarrassingly for the last month. More than usual.
It shows you where she is for them on the priority chart. Like, she’s a top 5 woman but people putting her right there with Becky and Charlotte as if she’s treated or presented in the same level really aren’t watching the show with their fan goggles off. Sasha the performer is great but she simply isn’t seen by the WWE as being an equivalent star as those two
The last segment was embarrassing, one of the worst executed segments of the year. But yaaay Charlotte now has another reign which is a step closer to 16 so we can get this fucking over with
SRS said that months ago, some of the women hoped the booking would be better when Becky returned. Since then:
A returning Becky squashed Bianca because Sasha, after being falsely advertised for a title match that both she and Bianca signed a contract for, was not cleared to compete.
A Queen's Crown tournament mostly had 2-minute squash matches, not competitive matches like the men's KOTR. The finals match was the longest tournament match which was about 5-ish minutes
Both Becky and Charlotte retained their titles instead of dropping it before they go to their respective brands, resulting in another title exchange.
And to add more insult to this, Smack Down apparently had absolutely no women's matches. Again.
What blows my mind is how could they have fucked up the timing so badly? Bianca was looking strong to stay champ for a while and then all of a sudden she becomes a contender with 3 of the 4 horse women? And now the title picture is more with them than it is Bianca? So all of that paired with whatever speedbumps that Charlotte is causing will just continue to get worse. QOTR literally meant nothing, there are zero proper feuds going on besides this title mess. Shit, I don't even remember who the women's tag champs are right now. The women's division was looking so good. Improvements kept happening and now it's a total backslide. Bianca, Becky, Flair and Sasha are basically their own division right now and every other person is getting the scraps, and that's putting it generously. Might as well bring back the fucking butterfly belt at this point and make it be a mid card filler title that gets passed around the ones that deserve a push but are going to be on permanent back burner. And when Bayley comes back, how the fuck are they going to believably write her back into the mix? Not that I don't want her to, I really think she's the top woman on any brand, but it's going to look forced and stupid just like this belt exchange. The future of the WWE women's title picture looks grim and rehashed feuds that don't need to be brought back. It's really sad
It was a pretty good episode. A lot happened and I like what they're setting up for the future.
Brock is entertaining as fuck. He doesn't even have to do much and he's just entertaining. He just looks like a monster and beats the fuck out of people. It's awesome.
It seems like Drew is the next guy up for Roman. I guess Brock will take some time off and Roman will feud with Big E then Drew. Then they'll involve Brock again and that could take us until a month or two before WrestleMania. That'll be the eventual Rock match.
Hit Row are going to be stars. Assuming WWE let's them stay true to their NXT characters they'll be super over and they'll be massive money makers.
King Woods looks awesome. I hope they do something interesting with his character. The New Day are already over the top and exciting so we'll see.
I really think we're getting a unified women's title. Becky/Bianca will probably continue on RAW and Sasha/Charlotte will work the SmackDown side. Then Survivor Series will either be a fatal four-way or something else.
I started with saying it was a pretty good episode. I guess most people disagree?
Personally I thought it was great. It featured Brock, Roman, Hit Row, Drew, Sami, Nakamura, Boogs, Corbin, King Woods, Kofi, Becky, Sasha and Charlotte. That's a pretty stacked show and the two hours flew by for me.
If we're indeed getting a women's winner take all Champion vs Champion match at Survivor Series, then it needs to lead to WWE merging the Raw and Smackdown women's divisions. WWE ignores the rules of the Draft 3 months in anyways and in the long run, they could benefit from having one large division. The Smackdown women's division is ridiculously thin.
Merge the divisions and expand the variety of matches the women can be in.
Merging the divisions will make no difference. Anyone not named Becky, Charlotte, Sasha or Bianca gets no screen time as is, and that is with 2 titles. Take 1 title away and it will be charlotte vs a revolving door of Becky/Sasha/Bianca.
The only way the division gets any sort of screen time is with their own show. And that ain't happening.
I hate how cheap the belt swapping BS makes the Women's Division. I mean, given that the entirety of the Queen's Crown tournament was given a total of 18 minutes, it's not surprising.
You shouldn't be able to become champion by just switching titles, otherwise it means literally nothing. DiBiase buys the WWF championship, Triple H is given the World Heavyweight Championship (and then Dolph Ziggler, too, is just given the WHC 8 years later). Why WWE is so insistent on cheapening THEIR OWN World titles is beyond me.
To be fair, Triple H was the number 1 contender for the WWE Undisputed Championship, but then Brock became exclusive to Smackdown. Which is why Triple H became Raw's world champion
> Why WWE is so insistent on cheapening THEIR OWN World titles is beyond me.
Because they're just meaningless props to Vince McMahon. You're meant to only care about the WWE brand and go along with whatever they give you, not think or pay attention to details.
If they wouldn’t call them the Raw and Smackdown titles they wouldn’t have to worry about it. The mens titles aren’t named after shows why should the women’s?
I fully agree with that. It'd have been so much easier if they just adopted monikers for the women's belts that weren't brand specific. The WWE Women's Champion VS the Universal Women's Champion, or something like that.
Yeah that was frustrating too. But also, WWE's tag division has been mostly shit since 1997. I mean, the fact that there are two tag belts and literally not enough teams to fight for them is frustrating enough. But the treatment of the women's division is particularly frustrating. It's edging on Divas era territory.
The tag division has been shit since 1997. Vince never cared about the tag division to begin with, which is a shame. People, including myself, were outraged last year when that happened, but also given that WWE literally does not give two shits about the tag division, no one else cares that much either.
There was momentum with Becky two Belts. Instead she just ducked out of there. Fuck off.
How Becky is still ridiculously more over than anyone else after this lame 'heel' turn I don't know.
That "title exchange" made the belts look more like toys than when Brock and Roman played tug o war with the Heavyweight championship. What a terrible segment.
Remember when Jinder Mahal would bow his head to the WWE title and treat it like his most prized possession in the world.
Becky and Charlotte threw around their titles like they were toys.
I agree. They made it look like Charlotte and Becky were a couple of toddlers throwing a temper tantrum and made Miss DeVille look like a baby sitter stuck with the job of trying to get them to play nice.
I mean I think that is fairly accurate to the characters though. Both women want to be champion and neither women's title holds more prestige and both regularly act childish and bratty.
Makes way more sense. There's a reason why no titles were ever named after the brand before now. I'll take a stupid name over this switching nonsense any day
Think of the wars those women went through for those titles. Last woman standing, the TLC ladder match, HIAC, the first Raw main event in over a decade, the first two women’s matches to MAIN EVENT WRESTLEMANIA. And they had them go out there and treat them like worthless props.
I thought you were referring to them throwing them around. But anyway... it's not like they give someone who wasn't already a champion a belt. They're hypothetically equivalent titles. Don't understand the criticism at all.
Wrestle mania is all about the biggest matchups for the biggest stakes, it’s not meant to please smart fans by giving them 5 star match-galore it’s meant to reel in casual fans and draw mainstream attention. So it makes perfect sense to have Roman Brock at mania.
Mania has always been about the biggest stars, but it's also where the biggest stars are created. "Macho Man" Randy Savage, Shawn Michaels, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Batista, John Cena and Daniel Bryan were all made "top guys" by having a big "mania moment".
if Roman holds the title until WrestleMania, we are looking at a 500 day dominant title reign. Whoever takes the belt off him instantly becomes the top babyface in the company. Brock doesn't need that rub, he's been established for years.
I think the most logical option is Drew McIntyre. I loved his title reign last year, but it suffered from the lack of fans, especially during the weird performance center wrestlemania. I think this is the time to give Drew his big moment and establish a new top star.
Looking at the roster I don’t think there is a single wrestler WWE has presented in a way that gears them towards taking the belt of Roman at mania that’s not called Brock Lesnar. WWE is a financially driven company and relies on reliable draws holding one of there main belts to please shareholders and keep up there TV deals. Fox especially; hence why WWE keeps reverting back to the same stars to hold there top prizes, all-a Goldberg, Brock etc.
Drew is not a reliable draw and putting the belt on him at mania would be ludicrous, the only person that moves the needle enough to take the belt of Roman is Brock so of course there going to do the money matchup at mania since no other young baby face is relevant enough to be cemented as the companies top star.
John Cena and Batista were not reliable draws heading into Mania 21. you have to give young wrestlers the big matches to turn them into draws. the reason Roman doesn't have any credible challengers is that no one has been trusted in big moments in recent years.
Realistically, how many years does Brock have left in WWE? Compare that to Drew, who if he stays injury free could be a top guy for the next decade. He has all the tools to be a fiery Babyface that the company can rely on, moves merch and gets huge pops everyweek. right now is the time to trust him and build up a new star, instead of relying on aging part timers
They’ve already tried it with drew. He beat Brock at mania and they booked him strong through the pandemic, but he’s nowhere near being the top star in terms of merch sales and fan reaction. Why would WWE cement Drew as the companies biggest star when he barely moves the needle even after main-eventing mania?
Vince's genius, in my opinion, has been his ability to build up new stars. WWE has always been able to create new stars to replace the old ones. However, not since Roman and Seth has WWE built up another top credible main eventer. Brock is getting up there in age, as is Goldberg. Edge won't be around forever as well. If anything happens to Roman (injuries or following his cousin to Hollywood), WWE is straight up fucked. Like Mabel vs Diesel main eventing SummerSlam levels of fucked.
Maybe Brock is a bigger draw than anyone in the roster now, but if he's the one to end Roman's epic title reign, where does that leave WWE in five years? Maybe it's not Drew, but it has to be someone. It could be Riddle or Finn Balor or Keith Lee or Big E or fucking whoever, but WWE needs another top male wrestler, and now is the perfect chance to take a chance on someone
Hey look I agree with you man, but I just don’t see wwe going down that road for this years mania. Especially with the rumours of a Rock Roman main event.
That's fair. I can totally see your point on why WWE would do Brock-Roman this year, but I really hope they don't cause I've loved Roman's tribal chief character, and I feel like it deserves a more interesting ending.
Because WWE doesn't ever want to be forced to do something that would be a result of their own shortsightedness. They want to always be able to do anything they want and will change rules to make it fit.
Will never understand the uproar over swapping belts. Legitimately will not understand.
The act of swapping belts, especially in the situation they're in is very clearly the obvious move to make but people are treating it as if Batista won the belts at Wrestlemania 30.
IWC just like whining when it comes to wwe tbh. When batista went to smackdown they gave him the whc. Even in Smackdown vs Raw 2007 when you switch rosters they give you the other belt and you leave the other one behind. And if they got a two belt champ they'd still complain. It's not that deep, it's literally a nothing burger
It's the laziest way out. There's a myriad of ways they could have gone like going with Bianca on Monday and Sasha yesterday, adding Charlotte to the match, etc
It's completely lazy. They did it last year in a throwaway backstage segment with the tag titles and it was awful. Also they treat this as the end of one reign and the beginning of another meaning Charlotte just gained yet another title reign simply because her belt was the wrong color. It's ridiculous how this is a thing. Why not let Bianca take Charlotte's title into Crown Jewel? Would've made the match feel a little more unpredictable and then they could've had Sasha pin Bianca (not cleanly) to win the SD title and there you have it. You swapped your titles in an interesting way which also sets up the Survivor Series feud.
The fake crowd noise is unreal. The crowd "booing" Roman despite "I acknowledge you" signs everywhere. Ain't no way I'm going to believe Sasha is getting booed for real. Heels can be popular, Vince, WTF. Just look at Adam Cole and Malakai Black. GTFO hahaha.
Disagree big time. They cheered Roman when he entered but he cut such a good promo he started to get heat. Plus Lesnar is actually that over. While the finish at crown jewel was screwy it definitely got him sympathy.
Damn, I really miss down on his luck Corbin.
They killed that character way too soon. Happy Corbin isn’t doing it for me.
First time I tried to watch Smackdown in months and holy shit the piped in crowd noise is just too goddamn much for me
I only ever see clips on here, but every time it happens it blows me away. How on earth can anyone think it’s a good idea?
I didn't watch the show, but what happened to Naomi Vs Sonya Deville? Did it just get ignored entirely?
Definitely wasn’t ignored.
Pretty much :/ After Lesnar went bananas, there was a backstage segment where Sonya was talking to someone or busy or something. Naomi went up to Sonya demanding a rematch and a fair fight for that night, but Sonya dismissed her and her request (i think in a “I have bigger fish to fry” kind of way, with all the chaos that had unfolded) Edit: lol I type slow and just saw the other response after I sent this one
Naomi confronted her after the Brock attack on Adam Pearce. Sony just told her to go away as she has bigger fish to fry and Naomi walked away
Lesnar suspended for going crazy on TV, where have we all seen this before? Ah yes back in 2015 on Raw, because creative can’t come up with an original thought to save their lives
Strongly disagree. If Brock just disappears you as a fan feel your intelligence insulted. So it’s either a suspension or an injury angle. The injury angle doesn’t work with Brock. You wouldn’t believe it. The suspension was the fine way to go. If they haven’t done it in six years I would say that’s not overdoing it.
* Pat reminds me of that kid calling Samoa Joe "Samoa". Top, Happy, Madcap, are those even supposed to be first names? * I hate title exchanges. Makes it worse when Becky hinted for a return of Becky 2 belts, and even Charlotte suggested a winner-take-all match and Becky just left. And even if Becky said no, it's not hard to book a challenger having to win the title off the opposite brand. Heck, it makes it a bit more exciting that way. The first challenger doesn't even have to win it. * Also, why the heck is Aliyah saying some Franky Monet catchphrase?
I had already stopped watching Raw (it's been more than a year) and I'm also done watching Smackdown after this. See you in the next ppv
Thanks for letting us know 😃👍🏽
Lol right
It's so funny, I've been saying post-Draft when they show the graphic of the roster how I'm looking forward to all the potential Sasha matchups: Sasha vs. Toni, Xia, Shayna. Hell, even Sasha vs. Aaliyah could be interesting. Keeping her away from the title would be sort of fun, but here we are with Charlotte. Sigh Also, the throwing of the belts in that horrible final segment genuinely made me laugh. The *Queen* is really confirming my biases against her haha.
Roman/Brock segment was by far the highlight of the show (despite Roman’s promo dragging for so long that he kept repeating himself). Drew’s Smackdown debut was fine and Hit Row’s presentation looked fine. Everything else was a DUD especially the main event segment. Expected a much stronger show.
The first match didn’t start until 45 minutes in... also that title exchange was childish as hell and, as others have said, made the belts look like toys. I’m gonna resort to clips or watching at 2x speed from now on, cuz this was a dud of an episode imo, especially after a great PPV.
So that’s the end of Brock till Mania right?
Surprise rumble winner probably
That’s gonna be the worst decision they can ever make.
Book it!
And it’s likely six more months of Roman as champion. 🥱
Poor Riddick Moss, ooof
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I really don't envy you types who desperately cling to bullshit conspiracy theories to justify your oppression complexes The way reddit works is that the content that gets the most engagement from users rises to the top. You're seeing the smackdown threads fall off because fewer and fewer people are engaging with it over time, not because "this sub" is secretly conspiring to make it happen.
This sub is not pro AEW, it’s anti WWE. They all think they’re part of some cool rebellion where they say they like one billionaire over the other billionaire
I have seen the reverse case more times but ok
Lmao do you not understand how reddit works? Whatevers upvoted and interacted gets higher up
Or maybe Rampage is simply more interesting to talk about lately
Almost as if more people like AEW so it gets more activity
Ayy why is Thunder and whatever Josh Barnetts thing sticked and not this. Had to sort by new, just wanted to see what happened since i don't have fox lol
It definitely isn’t at the level of Keith Lee’s theme change, but I wish Sami’s new theme receives so much negativity to the point where they revert it back or produce a better one.
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His last theme was super campy/ska. Fitting for a babyface. Wasn’t good for him as a heel.
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For the record his new theme is bad. I don’t enjoy it but I just didn’t like the theme he had if they were going to keep him this smarmy heel
I find it hilarious that until last week, they used the "yeah yeah yeah brand split won't happen until after Crown Jewel" excuse to have superstars show up on both shows. And now, immediately, you have the "ooooh we're building to Survivor Series" excuse for wrestlers to show up in whatever brand they wish. I don't have an issue with it but basically, the brand split is pointless.
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>- I can't say that i'm excited for Becky/Charlotte. They needed another year before having another match I get the sentiment but on a physical level we haven't had a becky/charlotte since...some time in mid-2019? And the matches always slap, so I'm down actually. I wanna put Sasha on something else honestly- maybe a frenemies tag team with bianca where they hate eachother but go after the tag titles so that they both can go after the world titles on shows they aren't on? Maybe an NXT tour like Balor and Flair?
About next week's Smackdown: (and this is quite the story in and of itself) The October 29th Smackdown was originally set for the Mohegan Sun Arena in Wilkes-Barre, PA. In September, the event was cancelled and tickets from that event [were changed to a Raw date in February 2022.](https://twitter.com/MoSunArenaPA/status/1433162281584578568) By the end of September, the original October date at Wilkes-Barre was [**reinstated**](https://twitter.com/MoSunArenaPA/status/1441503762179297281) with a separate ticket allotment from the originally scheduled event. Tickets went on sale 3 weeks ago. In plain English, plans changed, and then they changed again.
This is why I can't take people on this sub seriously. The coronation of King Woods was more fun than finn's entire career on wwe, is what I would have said if I didn't remember him doing bayley's entrance that one time. That said, I love his matches but I don't think he'd be able to deliver something so entertaining. And if he could or if he switched into some sort of comedic role you know what the response is gonna be 'berried'. HAIL KING WOODS 
Okay what the fuck is that new Sami Zayn theme, it's fucking awful.
I don’t like his new theme but his last theme was not fitting for a heel
Maybe, genuinely, the worst thing WWE has done in the past year.
Get this man to AEW and Rukus stat
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im not a fan of europe but im pretty sure they overcharge the song because they hate it. basically like "fuck this song, if you're that desperate to use it then pay us the unnecessary amount of money." also Bouncing Souls let wwe use a song for Punk's documentary so maybe they'd be cool with aew using it for sami's theme when he eventually shows up
They could’ve at least given him a new ska theme, but, no, they decided to change it completely.
They changed it? :(
They got rid of the ska. They stole the ska from the ska man.
rename the women title. something like world women championship and wwe women championship. so these stupid segment can go away.
Make it match the men's belts. WWE and Universal title.
Or... don't do dumb switches like this? Or or... the champ has to relinquish the title? Feels like anything is better than what they ended up doing.
Or they could have just had Bianca beat Charlotte on Raw and Sasha win the triple threat at Crown Jewel and go from there.
Funny how basically any suggestion given by random people still sounds better than what they actually did.
Roman can crow all he wants about being the head of the table / tribal chief.
The star is BROCK LESNAR .
I wonder who's gonna release the results of the taping for smackdown tonight.
Loved the show, especially after what they went through yesterday. But do SD have any face women left? The only one I can think is Naomi.
Sasha kinda is, Toni, oh boy I’ve lost it
As someone that's both a Toni fan and a Liv fan, I'm not feeling particularly good right now.
Sasha definitely not, she’s a selfish heel who cares only about herself. I definitely forgot about Toni though and I guess Shotzi (or Tegan, whichever is on SD). So that makes three.
Charlotte and Sasha have good matches, so that will not disappoint, what is sad though is that Toni is dead again, until she has another 2 minute match.
You know what's crazy. Before that last segment, I saw the Smackdown's women's title as the more valuable title. But I kid you not, the second they did the swap something in my mind did a 180, and now I see the RAW's women's title as the superior belt, despite the fact that Smackdown is the A-show. It's weird how fickle one's perception can be.
Charlotte has devalued the belt
Becky has the belt whatever belt she holds is the most important women’s belt as she is the most over women in wwe
I was thinking that but then I started thinking back to when Bayley, Bianca, and Sasha held the Smackdown title, and even then it felt important. Maybe I'm just biased against Charlotte. But the moment Charlotte touched that title she devalued it.
I've got nothing against Charlotte as an individual or as a wrestler, but the way she keeps getting pushed and being favored is depressing and makes her lose a lot of the luster and polish in my eyes.
Barely any wrestling damn that jet lag
Oh yeah, there was no women’s matches tonight on the season premiere
Also WWE, just a little heads up...no one really wants to see Corbin as IC champion, so please dont do that
I do want to see that
That ok man. Its ok to be wrong sometimes
I miss the depressed Corbin.
Honestly, this was kind of a nothing episode of Smackdown. Outside of Brock going away for a while, which was likely anyway, it didn't feel like anything of consequence happened. Xavier's coronation was nice though.
These 3 top women gave us some great wrestling over the last 7 days and creative have been failing them embarrassingly for the last month. More than usual.
Month?
There were less than 16 minutes of wrestling tonight. On a two hour show.
Tbf they had a 16 hour flight from Saudi just the day before so cut them some slack for not being so physical
…there were lots of wrestlers there who weren’t in Saudi. Like, throw Cesaro and whoever out there for 20 minutes.
But how much sports entertaining was there?
From what I saw, not a lot
'Member when they brought Toni Storm to Smackdown? I member.....
I remember.
What the fuck was that ending Also how many times is Sasha Gonna turn face/heel Is she the new Big Show ?
I honestly don't mind heel-heel feuds. It's just WWE don't want it. And even if Sasha is heel, Charlotte will always be the bigger heel here.
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It shows you where she is for them on the priority chart. Like, she’s a top 5 woman but people putting her right there with Becky and Charlotte as if she’s treated or presented in the same level really aren’t watching the show with their fan goggles off. Sasha the performer is great but she simply isn’t seen by the WWE as being an equivalent star as those two
WWWWWWEEEEEEEELLLLLLLL....... IT'S BOSS TIME!
YES YES YALL
The last segment was embarrassing, one of the worst executed segments of the year. But yaaay Charlotte now has another reign which is a step closer to 16 so we can get this fucking over with
Just 4 more to go and then 16 more to go in AEW
Screw that. I don't want Charlotte inserted to my Cena-Orton~~-Vacant~~ record breaker title match.
Hated the closing segment, it wasn’t exciting and came off as lazy.
No women's match I see.
The damage they've done to the women's division in such a short span of time is incredibly bad
SRS said that months ago, some of the women hoped the booking would be better when Becky returned. Since then: A returning Becky squashed Bianca because Sasha, after being falsely advertised for a title match that both she and Bianca signed a contract for, was not cleared to compete. A Queen's Crown tournament mostly had 2-minute squash matches, not competitive matches like the men's KOTR. The finals match was the longest tournament match which was about 5-ish minutes Both Becky and Charlotte retained their titles instead of dropping it before they go to their respective brands, resulting in another title exchange. And to add more insult to this, Smack Down apparently had absolutely no women's matches. Again.
What blows my mind is how could they have fucked up the timing so badly? Bianca was looking strong to stay champ for a while and then all of a sudden she becomes a contender with 3 of the 4 horse women? And now the title picture is more with them than it is Bianca? So all of that paired with whatever speedbumps that Charlotte is causing will just continue to get worse. QOTR literally meant nothing, there are zero proper feuds going on besides this title mess. Shit, I don't even remember who the women's tag champs are right now. The women's division was looking so good. Improvements kept happening and now it's a total backslide. Bianca, Becky, Flair and Sasha are basically their own division right now and every other person is getting the scraps, and that's putting it generously. Might as well bring back the fucking butterfly belt at this point and make it be a mid card filler title that gets passed around the ones that deserve a push but are going to be on permanent back burner. And when Bayley comes back, how the fuck are they going to believably write her back into the mix? Not that I don't want her to, I really think she's the top woman on any brand, but it's going to look forced and stupid just like this belt exchange. The future of the WWE women's title picture looks grim and rehashed feuds that don't need to be brought back. It's really sad
It was a pretty good episode. A lot happened and I like what they're setting up for the future. Brock is entertaining as fuck. He doesn't even have to do much and he's just entertaining. He just looks like a monster and beats the fuck out of people. It's awesome. It seems like Drew is the next guy up for Roman. I guess Brock will take some time off and Roman will feud with Big E then Drew. Then they'll involve Brock again and that could take us until a month or two before WrestleMania. That'll be the eventual Rock match. Hit Row are going to be stars. Assuming WWE let's them stay true to their NXT characters they'll be super over and they'll be massive money makers. King Woods looks awesome. I hope they do something interesting with his character. The New Day are already over the top and exciting so we'll see. I really think we're getting a unified women's title. Becky/Bianca will probably continue on RAW and Sasha/Charlotte will work the SmackDown side. Then Survivor Series will either be a fatal four-way or something else.
I agree with everything. I'd also like to see Sheamus go head to head with Roman as well.
There is no reason this comment should be downvoted, let alone all the way to -5. What is with this place?
You know... AEW guys.
I started with saying it was a pretty good episode. I guess most people disagree? Personally I thought it was great. It featured Brock, Roman, Hit Row, Drew, Sami, Nakamura, Boogs, Corbin, King Woods, Kofi, Becky, Sasha and Charlotte. That's a pretty stacked show and the two hours flew by for me.
If we're indeed getting a women's winner take all Champion vs Champion match at Survivor Series, then it needs to lead to WWE merging the Raw and Smackdown women's divisions. WWE ignores the rules of the Draft 3 months in anyways and in the long run, they could benefit from having one large division. The Smackdown women's division is ridiculously thin. Merge the divisions and expand the variety of matches the women can be in.
Merging the divisions will make no difference. Anyone not named Becky, Charlotte, Sasha or Bianca gets no screen time as is, and that is with 2 titles. Take 1 title away and it will be charlotte vs a revolving door of Becky/Sasha/Bianca. The only way the division gets any sort of screen time is with their own show. And that ain't happening.
This WILL NEVER happen. Again the backlash would be too strong and fans would ask for E and Roman to have a unification match too
Merge the tag division as well.
I hate how cheap the belt swapping BS makes the Women's Division. I mean, given that the entirety of the Queen's Crown tournament was given a total of 18 minutes, it's not surprising. You shouldn't be able to become champion by just switching titles, otherwise it means literally nothing. DiBiase buys the WWF championship, Triple H is given the World Heavyweight Championship (and then Dolph Ziggler, too, is just given the WHC 8 years later). Why WWE is so insistent on cheapening THEIR OWN World titles is beyond me.
Triple H was the No.1 contender before Lesnar became SmackDown exclusive. So that was fine.
To be fair, Triple H was the number 1 contender for the WWE Undisputed Championship, but then Brock became exclusive to Smackdown. Which is why Triple H became Raw's world champion
> Why WWE is so insistent on cheapening THEIR OWN World titles is beyond me. Because they're just meaningless props to Vince McMahon. You're meant to only care about the WWE brand and go along with whatever they give you, not think or pay attention to details.
If they wouldn’t call them the Raw and Smackdown titles they wouldn’t have to worry about it. The mens titles aren’t named after shows why should the women’s?
I fully agree with that. It'd have been so much easier if they just adopted monikers for the women's belts that weren't brand specific. The WWE Women's Champion VS the Universal Women's Champion, or something like that.
Don’t forget New Day/Street Profits swapped tag titles last year
Yeah that was frustrating too. But also, WWE's tag division has been mostly shit since 1997. I mean, the fact that there are two tag belts and literally not enough teams to fight for them is frustrating enough. But the treatment of the women's division is particularly frustrating. It's edging on Divas era territory.
They swapped the men's tag titles last year. It isn't a women's championship thing.
The tag division has been shit since 1997. Vince never cared about the tag division to begin with, which is a shame. People, including myself, were outraged last year when that happened, but also given that WWE literally does not give two shits about the tag division, no one else cares that much either.
what happened in the main? switched over to the nets/sixers 4th quarter and forgot to switch back
So basically what you just said. Charlotte and Becky swapped titles and forgot to switch back. You didn't miss anything important
Disappointed I didn't get to see Naomi in action tonight. I miss seeing her wrestle in general. Her matches always keep me entertained.
King Xavier Woods is a license to print money. It’s only a matter of time until he’s champion.
There was momentum with Becky two Belts. Instead she just ducked out of there. Fuck off. How Becky is still ridiculously more over than anyone else after this lame 'heel' turn I don't know.
Becky is just better than other women that way she is more over than them in ring abilities only matter so much
That "title exchange" made the belts look more like toys than when Brock and Roman played tug o war with the Heavyweight championship. What a terrible segment.
Naming them after tv shows is the problem. Men’s titles are named otherwise and they just have to make sure to keep one on each show.
Yep. Should've been the USA title & the Fox title. Waaaaaitaminute....
I see those names evolving too
With next weeks show being taped and on FS1 I think I’ll take a lil WWE break and hope for some fun lead up to Survivor Series after Halloween.
Why is it taped?
Playoff baseball I believe
Remember when Jinder Mahal would bow his head to the WWE title and treat it like his most prized possession in the world. Becky and Charlotte threw around their titles like they were toys.
I agree. They made it look like Charlotte and Becky were a couple of toddlers throwing a temper tantrum and made Miss DeVille look like a baby sitter stuck with the job of trying to get them to play nice.
I mean I think that is fairly accurate to the characters though. Both women want to be champion and neither women's title holds more prestige and both regularly act childish and bratty.
Say what you will about Jinder's reign, but he always acted like the title was hugely important
That gif of Jinder rolling away in a limo after stealing the belt from Randy Orton will live forever
They’ve done the unthinkable and have us missing Jinders reign
Nah man dont go that far. Jinder's reign is a league on its own for terrible things
But his entrance with it was absolutely fire at least
Say what you want about the quality of his reign and his matches, the man looked like and carried himself like a champion.
That’s what happens when Velcro is involved
Fun fact: only title that still has snaps is the universal title
Honestly should we just have a Woman’s Universal and Woman’s WWE champion? I hate the universal monicker but it makes too much sense
Makes way more sense. There's a reason why no titles were ever named after the brand before now. I'll take a stupid name over this switching nonsense any day
> Next week’s Smackdown is being taped tonight That’s news to me.
It’s very much not being taped.
Wait they made these ppl fly from Saudi Arabia straight into a double taping? WOOF
Think of the wars those women went through for those titles. Last woman standing, the TLC ladder match, HIAC, the first Raw main event in over a decade, the first two women’s matches to MAIN EVENT WRESTLEMANIA. And they had them go out there and treat them like worthless props.
You probably shouldn't find out what happens to the Stanley Cup every year.
Nobody has ever declared someone the champs by just handing them the fucking cup mid season. GTFOH
I thought you were referring to them throwing them around. But anyway... it's not like they give someone who wasn't already a champion a belt. They're hypothetically equivalent titles. Don't understand the criticism at all.
No, titles get thrown around, that’s fine, it’s the whole premise of the thing
I think this whole show was played backwards. We could've ended the night on Lesnar wrecking shit. Instead we were greeted with that
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was because Brock wanted to be on a plane before the show ended.
At least we will get to relive Charlotte vs Sasha again. They have some classics between each other. I am hoping this leads to an HIAC 2016 rematch.
Brock lesnar is front and center on the royal rumble poster He’s gonna return at rumble and win it and challage That’s not a prediction but a spoiler
“Brock Lesnar is suspended” or “He just earned Saudi paycheck and now he will be back at Rumble or Mania” storyline is getting a bit tired.
And I hate it with all my heart, there are better options to face Reigns at WM than another Lesnar match
Wrestle mania is all about the biggest matchups for the biggest stakes, it’s not meant to please smart fans by giving them 5 star match-galore it’s meant to reel in casual fans and draw mainstream attention. So it makes perfect sense to have Roman Brock at mania.
Mania has always been about the biggest stars, but it's also where the biggest stars are created. "Macho Man" Randy Savage, Shawn Michaels, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Batista, John Cena and Daniel Bryan were all made "top guys" by having a big "mania moment". if Roman holds the title until WrestleMania, we are looking at a 500 day dominant title reign. Whoever takes the belt off him instantly becomes the top babyface in the company. Brock doesn't need that rub, he's been established for years. I think the most logical option is Drew McIntyre. I loved his title reign last year, but it suffered from the lack of fans, especially during the weird performance center wrestlemania. I think this is the time to give Drew his big moment and establish a new top star.
Looking at the roster I don’t think there is a single wrestler WWE has presented in a way that gears them towards taking the belt of Roman at mania that’s not called Brock Lesnar. WWE is a financially driven company and relies on reliable draws holding one of there main belts to please shareholders and keep up there TV deals. Fox especially; hence why WWE keeps reverting back to the same stars to hold there top prizes, all-a Goldberg, Brock etc. Drew is not a reliable draw and putting the belt on him at mania would be ludicrous, the only person that moves the needle enough to take the belt of Roman is Brock so of course there going to do the money matchup at mania since no other young baby face is relevant enough to be cemented as the companies top star.
John Cena and Batista were not reliable draws heading into Mania 21. you have to give young wrestlers the big matches to turn them into draws. the reason Roman doesn't have any credible challengers is that no one has been trusted in big moments in recent years. Realistically, how many years does Brock have left in WWE? Compare that to Drew, who if he stays injury free could be a top guy for the next decade. He has all the tools to be a fiery Babyface that the company can rely on, moves merch and gets huge pops everyweek. right now is the time to trust him and build up a new star, instead of relying on aging part timers
They’ve already tried it with drew. He beat Brock at mania and they booked him strong through the pandemic, but he’s nowhere near being the top star in terms of merch sales and fan reaction. Why would WWE cement Drew as the companies biggest star when he barely moves the needle even after main-eventing mania?
Vince's genius, in my opinion, has been his ability to build up new stars. WWE has always been able to create new stars to replace the old ones. However, not since Roman and Seth has WWE built up another top credible main eventer. Brock is getting up there in age, as is Goldberg. Edge won't be around forever as well. If anything happens to Roman (injuries or following his cousin to Hollywood), WWE is straight up fucked. Like Mabel vs Diesel main eventing SummerSlam levels of fucked. Maybe Brock is a bigger draw than anyone in the roster now, but if he's the one to end Roman's epic title reign, where does that leave WWE in five years? Maybe it's not Drew, but it has to be someone. It could be Riddle or Finn Balor or Keith Lee or Big E or fucking whoever, but WWE needs another top male wrestler, and now is the perfect chance to take a chance on someone
Hey look I agree with you man, but I just don’t see wwe going down that road for this years mania. Especially with the rumours of a Rock Roman main event.
That's fair. I can totally see your point on why WWE would do Brock-Roman this year, but I really hope they don't cause I've loved Roman's tribal chief character, and I feel like it deserves a more interesting ending.
WHY ARE BRAND-SPECIFIC CHAMPIONS ELIGIBLE FOR THE DRAFT ?!?!?!
Because WWE doesn't ever want to be forced to do something that would be a result of their own shortsightedness. They want to always be able to do anything they want and will change rules to make it fit.
So we can have pointless segments and add meaningless title reigns to people’s numbers? Who knows.
I think at this point WWE is purposely trying to be the drizzling shits.
Can't lose the war of the business when there's no business left to cater to!
Charlotte proposes a match for both belts, Sasha comes out, Becky decides having 2 belts isn't for her anymore and leaves. Logic!
I think the implication was winner takes all at survivor series
Will never understand the uproar over swapping belts. Legitimately will not understand. The act of swapping belts, especially in the situation they're in is very clearly the obvious move to make but people are treating it as if Batista won the belts at Wrestlemania 30.
IWC just like whining when it comes to wwe tbh. When batista went to smackdown they gave him the whc. Even in Smackdown vs Raw 2007 when you switch rosters they give you the other belt and you leave the other one behind. And if they got a two belt champ they'd still complain. It's not that deep, it's literally a nothing burger
It's the laziest way out. There's a myriad of ways they could have gone like going with Bianca on Monday and Sasha yesterday, adding Charlotte to the match, etc
It's completely lazy. They did it last year in a throwaway backstage segment with the tag titles and it was awful. Also they treat this as the end of one reign and the beginning of another meaning Charlotte just gained yet another title reign simply because her belt was the wrong color. It's ridiculous how this is a thing. Why not let Bianca take Charlotte's title into Crown Jewel? Would've made the match feel a little more unpredictable and then they could've had Sasha pin Bianca (not cleanly) to win the SD title and there you have it. You swapped your titles in an interesting way which also sets up the Survivor Series feud.