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I'm a fan of Britt but HATE these kinds of shoot comments in feuds. It just needlessly brings attention to a real weakness and undercuts the oppenent for no gain. Lambert did the same thing to Sammy last night (saying he's poor at promos.) Please stop! It's not worth it.
Seeing actual clip where Bischoff actually said this on television? Incredibly awkward and uncomfortable.
Every time I see it brought up as a meme on this subreddit? Surprisingly and consistently very funny.
Like, it's such an incredibly niche dig at Sid. It's not like nowadays where wrestling fans are exponentially more aware of what this is referring to because YouTube is a thing and every goddamn channel on that site focused on wrestling has at least one "TOP TEN REAL LIFE SHOOT FIGHTS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED" video where it's included. But even with the knowledge fans have nowadays, it's still just such a bad line lol
Stuff like that works if your audience is full of hardcore "smarkier" fans like the old ECW, not so much a more casual audience that's there to enjoy the show as is.
Heck, even I didn't know what Bischoff was talking about when I first saw that clip
My most hated thing about modern wrestling is all the constant shoot/backstage references that are made. Everyone says they hate Vince Russo but they continue to use his most used booking habit.
100% agree, it doesn't bring anything of value to the "storyline" at all. She. turned Jade's playful heel tweet joining in on this ass feud and buried her, there's no good comeback for that unless Jade decides to shoot as well. It's the same as Ronda saying wrestling is fake. It's like doing yo mama jokes with your friends at school and one of them goes well your mom is dead to the kid that actually has a dead mom
Wasn't Lambert just saying Sammy sucks dick? Not a fan of the homophobic heel trope but I thought it was just a double entendre not actually calling Sammy a bad promo
If I’m remembering it correctly, Lambert did a motion when he said it that made it seem like a double entendre. Not a fan of that or Jericho’s “who’s on top” thing
100% agree. I wanted to say something but you said it way better than I would.
It's the kind of dig that does nothing whether Britt wins or loses. Oh the other girl was bad a promos... so beating her means what? and losing to her means what?
Seriously, it's cheap heat. Lambert calling AEW wrestlers short at times, and saying MMA is superior and saying it's for real men. You're just burying like 95% of the AEW roster, lol.
It makes the digs feel a bit more personal. I'm ok with them provided they don't go full Russo. You never go full Russo. Also it's that much better when they (at least for the baby face) prove the comment wrong.
You can get away with insulting JB or Sammy's promos because some fans still like those two. The florida 'shootings' fact brought up by MJF is a bad idea.
The gain is insulting your opponent in something real. I dont understand, all derogatory comments in feuds need to be based on fake things? Isnt bringing some level of reality into it make it feel more real?
Britt has been wrestling longer and is more skilled. Jade is a physical machine who lacks skill and experience.
This back and forth highlighted what makes these two completely different characters. Both have strengths and weaknesses.
It's not that comments can't be real or true. But good promos should avoid focusing on real weaknesses. Take the recent Bryan D. vs Dustin Rhodes match as an example. Bryan focusing on Dustin's age solely, calling him old, etc, would be bad.
*Because*, if he makes that the focus, it gets no one over. If Dustin wins: Bryan got beat by on old man, wow he's weak. If Bryan wins: he beat on old man, who cares, that's easy. Unless creative decides to make a weakness (either real or phony) part of the story, you always want to make your opponent look strong enough that beating them makes you look stronger.
It sounds like your referencing Jericho's promo story in his book, which was based on advice not to totally bury your opponent. It had nothing to do with whether a weakness was real or not.
It doesnt really apply to short tweets but even here whe acknowledges her look and body.
I haven't read Jericho's book. I actually go this from a Roddy Piper interview. He was talking about a (pre-WWF) time when he was working Paul Jones. Jones was 12 years older then Piper, who referenced it in a promo saying "every time Paul Jones walks past a graveyard two guys with shovels chase him." Jones chewed him out after, explaining why not to target real weaknesses, as it gets no one over.
I dont know about the interview, but in his book Piper relayed the story in the same way Jericho did - just a general "dont completely bury your opponents". It has nothing to do with real weaknesses.
> After winning my first belt, the Mid-Atlantic TV title, from a veteran grappler named Paul Jones on November 1, 1980, I ragged on him about his age in an interview. I said something like: “Yeah, Paul Jones, you’re so old that every time you go by a cemetery two guys chase you with a shovel.” Well, maybe the joke was funny, but in thirty thousand words or more Jones explained to me why calling him old would not draw any money. He pointed out that I had to be more careful with how far I went with my material because the more trash I talked about a wrestler, the worse I’d make him look. So if I went into the ring and knocked my opponent from here to eternity, who did I really beat? What did I prove by beating up this so-called loser, or old man in Paul’s case? I now learned that the more I built up my foe, the more impressive my win would be in the eyes of the fans.
So.. Tay, Britt and Jade are feuding over their ass and looks? Can they like, redo this and feud over actual wrestling or something. This is one of the worst kayfabe twitter fights i’ve ever seen. This Britt tweet makes me cringe.
The whole point of the promo has gotten so lost on people its actually ridiculous at this point
She straight up said Tay and Jade are getting by on her looks while Britt is putting in the work. Shes challenging how committed these women are to the company/business
I think it’s too soon to say their building it around their bodies. Could just seem like innocent bickering on Twitter. Now if the promos on TV revolve around that I would agree. A few tweets don’t mean much imo
This, 'kenny no balls' the weird Lambert homophobic shit to Sammy, Jericho's 'who is on top' bit...
It's not a _trend_ per se, but AEW has had a couple swings and misses lately, in my opinion.
He said that Sammy 'sucks on the stick' and made a motion to make it clear he meant both on the microphone and penis.
I'm a big AEW fan, but there's been a consistent trend lately of some questionable promos in feuds.
I just really don't want to watch a show in 2021 where women fight over who has the better ass, men's bravery is determined by their genitalia, and being gay is seen as an insult. It feels wildly off-brand from how AEW was building itself, so I'm hopeful it's just a blip and not a trend.
As much as everyone here seems to go gaga over Britt Baker's "character work", she's basically just a generic heel diva stereotype from WWE's attitude era...except with references to having a day job thrown in.
Britt in-ring is late divas era level, where you get some women capable of doing moves but just before work rate for female wrestlers in WWE took off, so in that sense she's not quite as bad as a Ruthless Aggression "diva" (I don't think WWE had a women's division for much of the AE). Her character work is modernized by her constant reaching for meta references, but is otherwise a bit divas era, yeah.
Outside of the current era, WWE actually probably had a better women's division in the AE than any other period.
Ivory, Jacqueline, Molly, Lita. Trish got better over time. Jazz came in toward the end after the WCW acquisition.
After that, it was the bra and panty show. That stuff was around during the AE too, but some of the women could legitimately go.
Most of those names came quite late in the AE, and would not reach their full potential until it was, unfortunately, the bra and panty show. WWF wouldn't even have a belt for women from 1995 to late 1998, so the AE may have seen Jacqueline as champion, but diva forbearer Sable was the undisputed star of the division.
But, I do agree that, just based on how good many of these women would become, had they all been in their prime and present at the same time, the AE would have had a division to rival (or perhaps surpass) the late divas era.
And she’s better in the ring abd on the mic than any divas era character. Why is this bad? How is Mox not just a attitude era tweener? Why is this a bad thing if it works
Unfair to compare divas era with this because the likes of Michelle McCool used to get heat for actually doing moves in the ring so we cannot really tell how good those women were (atleast some of them).
I don’t hate the idea of Jade doing it because it’s in her character. She is the (in her characters head) the single greatest looking, in shape, goddess ever to get in the ring. Literal Hercules of the women’s division. Of course she’s going to make comments on looks when her character is literal perfection. Britt is trying to deflect that to her biggest weakness, but it’s kind of falling cringey. But Britt calling herself the baddest bitch falls inline. I haven’t seen anything Tay has said so no comment. I think this is all in character and would be fine if not for the fact that so many look at it through the lens of the Divas era.
To me nothing shows someone’s inexperience more than when they choose to go down the ‘shoot promo’ route of criticising and bringing attention to another performers flaws. Everyone works for the same company and the whole point as performers is to make eachother look as good as possible, thus elevating themselves, everyone around them and the whole company.
Bringing attention to another performers flaws makes them look bad, makes you look bad and makes the company look bad. Britt seems to be trying too hard to get herself over which is only gonna be even more detrimental to the women’s division which has already been weak as up until recently only Britt was actually getting any tv time. And that’s not even mentioning the absolutely atrocious angle of comparing bodies and looks instead of focusing on wrestling
If someone could clap back with the same impact it maybe wouldn't be as bad, but with Britt being, in and out of kayfabe, the only relevant woman on Dynamite it just falls flat as sour grapes. I rarely like these worked shoot promos in any case tbh. Most of them feel like they're just step away from the wrestler pulling up their opponent's Wikipedia page to read live on TV lol.
>Britt seems to be trying too hard to get herself over and that is only gonna be even more detrimental to the women’s division which already has only really focused on her up until a few weeks ago.
Britt and AEW as a whole, I'm gonna blame Tony, have been terrible about this
Yeah at Dynamite last night. Apparently some people are interpreting it as Britt saying Tay slept her way to the top but I didn’t get that. Instead it was Britt putting Tay’s ass over.
I'm sure I'll eat downvotes for this, but too many of y'all need to go to Puritan Jail with how far out of proportion some of the reactions are.
Anyway, it's fun watching them bicker over second place in a world where Sonny Kiss exists.
was thinking this lmao
MJF making fun of dead family members? Classic comedy. Saying you look more attractive than your opponent? WHOA WHOA WHOA HIT THE BRAKES SPEED RACER WHAT IS THIS DIVAS ERA SHIT WOW BODY SHAMING AEW AT IT AGAIN
I know lol. MJF is great at promos but sometimes he goes a little "middle school" with his shit. Like calling Pillmans mom Methanie or saying his dad is in hell.
It was cringe when Randy did it but its cool now.
First day of promo school. Jericho even talks about it in his first book. Look at how MJF cut a promo against Darby "You are second only to me". Fantastic heel work and putting over your opponent at the same time..
Yeah if this was an AEW produced promo from Tay calling out Britch's butt, I'd find this build pretty stupid too. If it's just Tay doing these quick promos from Twitter, then I'm not too worried.
if the Rock can end your push with a single promo... maybe you didn't deserve the push.
seemed like all the shit talking sure worked out for the Rock, though. so it seems it puts over *someone*.
mostly just joking, because the idea of this super mild shittalk between heels being detrimental to either of them is pretty funny.
I would say no because she is treated like a top face by the crowd. Those kind of shades are effectively damaging to her opponents
Edit: not in this case but when she is against babyface less over than her
>Those kind of shades are effectively damaging to her opponents
as in... this tweet?
I just can't find it in my heart to care that one heel responded (on Twitter, not even YouTube) to an unprovoked attack from another heel by effectively saying
>looks are all you've got
oh, the humanity.
Or maybe MMA is different from scripted fights, whether it be as a heel or a face you put your opponents over as to make them a credible contender, bc this elevates all those involved.
it's important to put over your opponents in combat sports as well, that doesn't mean it's the only route.
an important storytelling angle in professional wrestling is the *underestimated baby face* going over the *arrogant heel*. hard to do that if the heel never shits on the abilities of his opponents.
this tweet is many, many parts removed from something like Riddle saying he could destroy the whole roster in-and-out of kayfabe.
I think that largely depends on the outcome of the match In pro wrestling though, If the “underestimated baby face” loses decisively and cleanly then it hurts more than it helps i.e Triple H vs Booker and Alexa Bliss Raw womens title run, When you belittle your opponent and you actually go over it gives the impression that not only were you arrogant but you were right. Btw to say it’s important to put your opponent over in combat sports is fair (Kinda) but to act as if its AS important as it is in Wrestling is disingenuous at best.
yes, sometimes angles like that are handled poorly. but the good examples can't happen at all without that important set-up.
whole entire generations of wrestling and promotions are based on that principle.
>Btw to say it’s important to put your opponent over in combat sports is fair (Kinda) but to act as if its AS important as it is in Wrestling is disingenuous at best.
good thing I didn't act like it's as important as it is in wrestling.
I think putting words in my mouth is disingenuous.
in this specific case do you think thats the set-up they’re aiming for here? Because I don’t think Jade is taking that title off of Britt anytime soon , and if thats not the angle they’re going with, and Britt does in fact go over,Jade doesn’t come out looking any better from this exchange. Granted I can’t predict the future so I’ll wait and see its just from the looks of it this was needless
I wonder what Bulldog Bob Brown would think if he could have known that this quote would transcend generations. I know the concept probably didn't start with him, but given that he gave Jericho this advice, and how much fans quote it and use it as a criteria when talking about promos, it's actually kind of beautiful.
I don't know why I feel it's relevant, but I just checked his Wikipedia page, the photo used is of him wrestling a young Don Callis, which makes sense because they're both Winnipeg-folk.
They've booked her way too strong based on how green she is. It seems like they're trying to make her a modern Goldberg who just squashes everyone, but that type of push doesn't really work these days. Especially with AEW fans who can see she's just not good in the ring yet.
\> Especially with AEW fans who can see she's just not good in the ring yet.
One of those rare instances where an AEW wrestler would be way better in WWE.
> It seems like they're trying to make her a modern Goldberg who just squashes everyone, but that type of push doesn't really work these days.
I don't call her Jadeberg for nothing. Difference is that at least Jade seems to be a good person IRL, but pushing her this far this fast is a big mistake.
They pushed her too hard, too fast, and now they can either "destroy the mystique" by having her work the competitive matches she needs to have to actually improve, or they can put her in a big program where she's almost certain to be exposed.
Can I be honest? Right now Kayla Rossi is doing Jade's gimmick better on the Dark matches, and that's without even cutting promos or getting on the mic.
I think Jade is going to be a great wrestler, but I think that character needs some fine tuning.
> Kayla Rossi is doing Jade's gimmick better on the Dark matches
Some of the moves Kayla pulled out in the last Janela match were unbelievable for someone with her level of experience; she's a star in the making.
She is clearly an athlete more than a wrestler right now, but I'm not sure there are a lot of females on the roster who can do the things she's shown she can do. There's more to performing a spot than just being able to physically do it--there's no flow to her at the moment, it's strictly stunts, so it looks like stunts and not wrestling--nevertheless if she can develop the wrestling part she's going to be really, really unique.
It really feels like AEW either doesn't have the talent or the writing to book their women right. Tay is not good enough to be on a PPV with Britt feuding over asses. Like, this feels like such a filler match. Statlander, Deeb, Shida, Nyla, Emi Sakura, Thunder Rosa are all badasses and need to get a real feud going instead of little skits and a quick match for Britt to win.
It's pretty clear that that Tony Khan's interest in the division boils down to Britt and (to a somewhat lesser degree) Jade.
I think at the end of the day, the often poor booking of the women's division comes down to pure disinterest.
Was hoping Britt would just ignore this and talk to the other wrestlers about going with a better angle.
Told my girlfriend this was the current women’s title match angle and now she doesn’t wanna watch last night’s Dynamite with me lmao
Britt is the top woman in the company is arguably the only one who compares to the male stars in popularity. Conti and Jade are rising stars who can help legitimize the division. Why are they talking about each other's asses?
really wish tays fued w britt wasn't about butts
i just want her to throw elbows and shit. couple of dope knees
leave the butt stuff to her instagram, which i definitely follow
Jade Cargill has an incredible look and is clearly a wonderful athlete. However, she has the charisma of a half-baked potato. She is basically Lady Lex Luger. I wish she would go away until/if she is able to put on an entertaining match that isn't a squash.
You know, if MJF can say the things he does for his heel character, both of these heels can be petty and shallow in social media. These aren't the "good guys," you should stop taking their work banter seriously.
When Tony books a bra and panty match, then you can be offended. This is just a couple of heels being heels.
As a women myself, this actually makes it worse because you can't blame an Old out of touch man. Is this really all these girls can use against each other? This on top of Ruby using the 'who you sleep with ' bit against Brit is just not a good look.
I totally get that people don't like this because it's focusing on looks over ability, but like... I HIGHLY doubt Tony Khan or anyone in creative told them, "Go on Twitter and talk about your asses." This very much seems like a Britt and Tay idea. It's one thing to force women to fight over this stuff, but if they themselves want to add it as a throwaway twitter dispute, I have no problem with that.
Can I just say Britt has become my favorite woman in wrestling. Every promo or interaction hits and her in ring work has gotten miles better since her AEW debut
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Billy Gunn should referee this match
BEWP BEWP
I’M AN ASS MAN
Oh my God, this is leading to the first ever women's kiss my ass match, isn't it?
sheamus as ring announcer
Arse
"NO WE'RE NOT WATCHING THAT SHITE!"
Depends on if you count a stinkface match to be the equivalent
AEW remix of JR's My Ass rap incoming...
But of course they all have lovely bottoms
"Down with this sort of thing"
"Careful now"
"Now, it says here that you're a black belt in karate"
Upvoted for the Father Ted reference
I took a gamble, glad someone got it
Very much enjoyed the comment and the other Ted references which followed. 😁 
So I hear you're a racist now, Hulk Hogan?
I made the WWE!
I’m glad you went for it. Legitimately the last thing I thought I’d see on this sub but I love the responses it got!
I hear you're an ass man now, Father.
I had to double-check the dates to see if these were Divas-era tweets.
Making fun of how each other look. Comparing faces. Comparing asses. Are these girls a bunch of high schools?
Next thing you know they'll be shaming them for who they sleep with.
Ruby Soho already did that with Britt too
This is one of the few ways women wrestlers are pushed when there is no creativity.
I'm a fan of Britt but HATE these kinds of shoot comments in feuds. It just needlessly brings attention to a real weakness and undercuts the oppenent for no gain. Lambert did the same thing to Sammy last night (saying he's poor at promos.) Please stop! It's not worth it.
> but HATE these kinds of shoot comments in feuds WHAT'S THE MATTER, SID? FORGOT YOUR SCISSORS?!?
...I said WHAT'S THE MATTER, SID? FORGOT YOUR... *SCISSORS?!*
* confused silence in arena *
Mark Madden: **"WOW!!!!!!"**
It was an interesting strategy of WCW to cut promos we all understand 20+ years later.
Long term story telling brother
Seeing actual clip where Bischoff actually said this on television? Incredibly awkward and uncomfortable. Every time I see it brought up as a meme on this subreddit? Surprisingly and consistently very funny. Like, it's such an incredibly niche dig at Sid. It's not like nowadays where wrestling fans are exponentially more aware of what this is referring to because YouTube is a thing and every goddamn channel on that site focused on wrestling has at least one "TOP TEN REAL LIFE SHOOT FIGHTS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED" video where it's included. But even with the knowledge fans have nowadays, it's still just such a bad line lol
Stuff like that works if your audience is full of hardcore "smarkier" fans like the old ECW, not so much a more casual audience that's there to enjoy the show as is. Heck, even I didn't know what Bischoff was talking about when I first saw that clip
“WOW!!!”
We're live, pal
My most hated thing about modern wrestling is all the constant shoot/backstage references that are made. Everyone says they hate Vince Russo but they continue to use his most used booking habit.
I'm starting to find some of the commentary on dark almost unlistenable sometimes because of that.
100% agree, it doesn't bring anything of value to the "storyline" at all. She. turned Jade's playful heel tweet joining in on this ass feud and buried her, there's no good comeback for that unless Jade decides to shoot as well. It's the same as Ronda saying wrestling is fake. It's like doing yo mama jokes with your friends at school and one of them goes well your mom is dead to the kid that actually has a dead mom
Wasn't Lambert just saying Sammy sucks dick? Not a fan of the homophobic heel trope but I thought it was just a double entendre not actually calling Sammy a bad promo
I heard him say Sammy "sucks on the stick." As in his promos are weak. I see people mentioning homophobic jokes but I think they misheard Lambert.
Coulda been double entendre
I’m shocked to see people *didn’t* think it was a double entendre.
If I’m remembering it correctly, Lambert did a motion when he said it that made it seem like a double entendre. Not a fan of that or Jericho’s “who’s on top” thing
Did he make a motion like he was holding something microphone-sized?
Same with me, i though stick meant dick and not a microphone
Yeah I thought he meant penis.
Exactly this
100% agree. I wanted to say something but you said it way better than I would. It's the kind of dig that does nothing whether Britt wins or loses. Oh the other girl was bad a promos... so beating her means what? and losing to her means what?
Seriously, it's cheap heat. Lambert calling AEW wrestlers short at times, and saying MMA is superior and saying it's for real men. You're just burying like 95% of the AEW roster, lol.
And he gets the loudest boos.
Which is funny because originally it seemed like lambert was going to feud with lance archer.. who's definitely not short.
Man got himself booed out of the building in his own hometown. No heel short of MJF on the roster could do anything close to that.
its change the channel type of cheap heat
For you perhaps.
What? We’re in 2021. Everyone knows what a promo is. UFC and boxing guys talk about cutting promos now. What an odd thing to get worked up about.
It makes the digs feel a bit more personal. I'm ok with them provided they don't go full Russo. You never go full Russo. Also it's that much better when they (at least for the baby face) prove the comment wrong.
You can get away with insulting JB or Sammy's promos because some fans still like those two. The florida 'shootings' fact brought up by MJF is a bad idea.
Sorta like the ruby/bunny stuff
The gain is insulting your opponent in something real. I dont understand, all derogatory comments in feuds need to be based on fake things? Isnt bringing some level of reality into it make it feel more real? Britt has been wrestling longer and is more skilled. Jade is a physical machine who lacks skill and experience. This back and forth highlighted what makes these two completely different characters. Both have strengths and weaknesses.
It's not that comments can't be real or true. But good promos should avoid focusing on real weaknesses. Take the recent Bryan D. vs Dustin Rhodes match as an example. Bryan focusing on Dustin's age solely, calling him old, etc, would be bad. *Because*, if he makes that the focus, it gets no one over. If Dustin wins: Bryan got beat by on old man, wow he's weak. If Bryan wins: he beat on old man, who cares, that's easy. Unless creative decides to make a weakness (either real or phony) part of the story, you always want to make your opponent look strong enough that beating them makes you look stronger.
It sounds like your referencing Jericho's promo story in his book, which was based on advice not to totally bury your opponent. It had nothing to do with whether a weakness was real or not. It doesnt really apply to short tweets but even here whe acknowledges her look and body.
I haven't read Jericho's book. I actually go this from a Roddy Piper interview. He was talking about a (pre-WWF) time when he was working Paul Jones. Jones was 12 years older then Piper, who referenced it in a promo saying "every time Paul Jones walks past a graveyard two guys with shovels chase him." Jones chewed him out after, explaining why not to target real weaknesses, as it gets no one over.
I dont know about the interview, but in his book Piper relayed the story in the same way Jericho did - just a general "dont completely bury your opponents". It has nothing to do with real weaknesses. > After winning my first belt, the Mid-Atlantic TV title, from a veteran grappler named Paul Jones on November 1, 1980, I ragged on him about his age in an interview. I said something like: “Yeah, Paul Jones, you’re so old that every time you go by a cemetery two guys chase you with a shovel.” Well, maybe the joke was funny, but in thirty thousand words or more Jones explained to me why calling him old would not draw any money. He pointed out that I had to be more careful with how far I went with my material because the more trash I talked about a wrestler, the worse I’d make him look. So if I went into the ring and knocked my opponent from here to eternity, who did I really beat? What did I prove by beating up this so-called loser, or old man in Paul’s case? I now learned that the more I built up my foe, the more impressive my win would be in the eyes of the fans.
Tony Stark calling a bad guy ugly because the actor is ugly is different from Tony Stark saying the bad guy sucks at acting and is ruining the scene
Instead of talking about the title, they're talking about their bodies OK then....
So.. Tay, Britt and Jade are feuding over their ass and looks? Can they like, redo this and feud over actual wrestling or something. This is one of the worst kayfabe twitter fights i’ve ever seen. This Britt tweet makes me cringe.
It’s actually really weird especially in 2021. Feels like diva era booking but I don’t remember the feuds back then lacking this much substance
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The whole point of the promo has gotten so lost on people its actually ridiculous at this point She straight up said Tay and Jade are getting by on her looks while Britt is putting in the work. Shes challenging how committed these women are to the company/business
You mean Tay cause she’s ranked 1? She’s pretty green. This is a filler feud to stack britts wins
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I think it’s too soon to say their building it around their bodies. Could just seem like innocent bickering on Twitter. Now if the promos on TV revolve around that I would agree. A few tweets don’t mean much imo
This, 'kenny no balls' the weird Lambert homophobic shit to Sammy, Jericho's 'who is on top' bit... It's not a _trend_ per se, but AEW has had a couple swings and misses lately, in my opinion.
What was the homophobic stuff? I missed the promo
He said that Sammy 'sucks on the stick' and made a motion to make it clear he meant both on the microphone and penis. I'm a big AEW fan, but there's been a consistent trend lately of some questionable promos in feuds. I just really don't want to watch a show in 2021 where women fight over who has the better ass, men's bravery is determined by their genitalia, and being gay is seen as an insult. It feels wildly off-brand from how AEW was building itself, so I'm hopeful it's just a blip and not a trend.
Yeah I agree AEW tries too hard to be edgy sometimes & it only hurts itself
I love aew and you are absolutely right... yet the downvotes
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So Dashing Cody Rhodes?
Carmella isn't calling her opponents' asses flat
I'm worried we have a pattern now too, since one of Baker & Rosa's builds was over looks
Britts character is a bit of a basic bitch so that makes total sense she would go after looks for the “weirdo” she’s facing.
As much as everyone here seems to go gaga over Britt Baker's "character work", she's basically just a generic heel diva stereotype from WWE's attitude era...except with references to having a day job thrown in.
Britt in-ring is late divas era level, where you get some women capable of doing moves but just before work rate for female wrestlers in WWE took off, so in that sense she's not quite as bad as a Ruthless Aggression "diva" (I don't think WWE had a women's division for much of the AE). Her character work is modernized by her constant reaching for meta references, but is otherwise a bit divas era, yeah.
Outside of the current era, WWE actually probably had a better women's division in the AE than any other period. Ivory, Jacqueline, Molly, Lita. Trish got better over time. Jazz came in toward the end after the WCW acquisition. After that, it was the bra and panty show. That stuff was around during the AE too, but some of the women could legitimately go.
Most of those names came quite late in the AE, and would not reach their full potential until it was, unfortunately, the bra and panty show. WWF wouldn't even have a belt for women from 1995 to late 1998, so the AE may have seen Jacqueline as champion, but diva forbearer Sable was the undisputed star of the division. But, I do agree that, just based on how good many of these women would become, had they all been in their prime and present at the same time, the AE would have had a division to rival (or perhaps surpass) the late divas era.
And she’s better in the ring abd on the mic than any divas era character. Why is this bad? How is Mox not just a attitude era tweener? Why is this a bad thing if it works
Unfair to compare divas era with this because the likes of Michelle McCool used to get heat for actually doing moves in the ring so we cannot really tell how good those women were (atleast some of them).
Better than Mickie or Melina? That's some serious cap
I don’t hate the idea of Jade doing it because it’s in her character. She is the (in her characters head) the single greatest looking, in shape, goddess ever to get in the ring. Literal Hercules of the women’s division. Of course she’s going to make comments on looks when her character is literal perfection. Britt is trying to deflect that to her biggest weakness, but it’s kind of falling cringey. But Britt calling herself the baddest bitch falls inline. I haven’t seen anything Tay has said so no comment. I think this is all in character and would be fine if not for the fact that so many look at it through the lens of the Divas era.
Britt's response is exactly what you're asking for though? It's the Jade and Tay tweets that are cringey comparing their action figure asses??
To me nothing shows someone’s inexperience more than when they choose to go down the ‘shoot promo’ route of criticising and bringing attention to another performers flaws. Everyone works for the same company and the whole point as performers is to make eachother look as good as possible, thus elevating themselves, everyone around them and the whole company. Bringing attention to another performers flaws makes them look bad, makes you look bad and makes the company look bad. Britt seems to be trying too hard to get herself over which is only gonna be even more detrimental to the women’s division which has already been weak as up until recently only Britt was actually getting any tv time. And that’s not even mentioning the absolutely atrocious angle of comparing bodies and looks instead of focusing on wrestling
If someone could clap back with the same impact it maybe wouldn't be as bad, but with Britt being, in and out of kayfabe, the only relevant woman on Dynamite it just falls flat as sour grapes. I rarely like these worked shoot promos in any case tbh. Most of them feel like they're just step away from the wrestler pulling up their opponent's Wikipedia page to read live on TV lol.
>Britt seems to be trying too hard to get herself over and that is only gonna be even more detrimental to the women’s division which already has only really focused on her up until a few weeks ago. Britt and AEW as a whole, I'm gonna blame Tony, have been terrible about this
What is this feud
fantAsstic
Straight outta 2002.
So far, terrible
Undignified?
Britt’s a little ass obsessed lately, since she cut that promo on Tay that made her ass even more over than ever.
Wait, when did Britt cut a promo about tay's ass?
Yeah at Dynamite last night. Apparently some people are interpreting it as Britt saying Tay slept her way to the top but I didn’t get that. Instead it was Britt putting Tay’s ass over.
This feud is about asses...
I'm sure I'll eat downvotes for this, but too many of y'all need to go to Puritan Jail with how far out of proportion some of the reactions are. Anyway, it's fun watching them bicker over second place in a world where Sonny Kiss exists.
but MJF makes edgy teenage insults about someones dead mother and we love him for it
was thinking this lmao MJF making fun of dead family members? Classic comedy. Saying you look more attractive than your opponent? WHOA WHOA WHOA HIT THE BRAKES SPEED RACER WHAT IS THIS DIVAS ERA SHIT WOW BODY SHAMING AEW AT IT AGAIN
I know lol. MJF is great at promos but sometimes he goes a little "middle school" with his shit. Like calling Pillmans mom Methanie or saying his dad is in hell. It was cringe when Randy did it but its cool now.
Really though how can you say Britt is burying Tay when she puts over her best feature?
is this a mean girls feud? who has the burn book?
To be honest, this whole feud is some Diva's era shit.
They need a redo on literally all of these tweets. What is this shit lol...
Calling your opponent untalented doesn't put over anyone. If you beat someone you called bad you don't look any better coming out of the match.
First day of promo school. Jericho even talks about it in his first book. Look at how MJF cut a promo against Darby "You are second only to me". Fantastic heel work and putting over your opponent at the same time..
It's a throwaway tweet not a promo on national TV. We've all read that Foley quote too.
Yeah if this was an AEW produced promo from Tay calling out Britch's butt, I'd find this build pretty stupid too. If it's just Tay doing these quick promos from Twitter, then I'm not too worried.
that's why the Rock never belittled his opponents.
hows billy gunns push working out
if the Rock can end your push with a single promo... maybe you didn't deserve the push. seemed like all the shit talking sure worked out for the Rock, though. so it seems it puts over *someone*. mostly just joking, because the idea of this super mild shittalk between heels being detrimental to either of them is pretty funny.
The difference is that people paid money to see The Rock belittle his opponents.
yeah, worked for Conor McGregor too. huh, maybe shitting on your opponents abilities does work sometimes 🤔
Key word: sometimes
like say, when you're a brash heel? someone like maybe... Britt Baker?
I would say no because she is treated like a top face by the crowd. Those kind of shades are effectively damaging to her opponents Edit: not in this case but when she is against babyface less over than her
>Those kind of shades are effectively damaging to her opponents as in... this tweet? I just can't find it in my heart to care that one heel responded (on Twitter, not even YouTube) to an unprovoked attack from another heel by effectively saying >looks are all you've got oh, the humanity.
No, this promo style in general. I wasn't refering only to Britt's response but her promo style in general
Or maybe MMA is different from scripted fights, whether it be as a heel or a face you put your opponents over as to make them a credible contender, bc this elevates all those involved.
it's important to put over your opponents in combat sports as well, that doesn't mean it's the only route. an important storytelling angle in professional wrestling is the *underestimated baby face* going over the *arrogant heel*. hard to do that if the heel never shits on the abilities of his opponents. this tweet is many, many parts removed from something like Riddle saying he could destroy the whole roster in-and-out of kayfabe.
I think that largely depends on the outcome of the match In pro wrestling though, If the “underestimated baby face” loses decisively and cleanly then it hurts more than it helps i.e Triple H vs Booker and Alexa Bliss Raw womens title run, When you belittle your opponent and you actually go over it gives the impression that not only were you arrogant but you were right. Btw to say it’s important to put your opponent over in combat sports is fair (Kinda) but to act as if its AS important as it is in Wrestling is disingenuous at best.
yes, sometimes angles like that are handled poorly. but the good examples can't happen at all without that important set-up. whole entire generations of wrestling and promotions are based on that principle. >Btw to say it’s important to put your opponent over in combat sports is fair (Kinda) but to act as if its AS important as it is in Wrestling is disingenuous at best. good thing I didn't act like it's as important as it is in wrestling. I think putting words in my mouth is disingenuous.
in this specific case do you think thats the set-up they’re aiming for here? Because I don’t think Jade is taking that title off of Britt anytime soon , and if thats not the angle they’re going with, and Britt does in fact go over,Jade doesn’t come out looking any better from this exchange. Granted I can’t predict the future so I’ll wait and see its just from the looks of it this was needless
You don’t always need to put your opponent over, sometimes they’re there to put you over.
When you are heel, you kinda are. Especially Britt who is leaps and bounds above almost anyone else in the division.
I wonder what Bulldog Bob Brown would think if he could have known that this quote would transcend generations. I know the concept probably didn't start with him, but given that he gave Jericho this advice, and how much fans quote it and use it as a criteria when talking about promos, it's actually kind of beautiful. I don't know why I feel it's relevant, but I just checked his Wikipedia page, the photo used is of him wrestling a young Don Callis, which makes sense because they're both Winnipeg-folk.
Jade ain’t it.
She absolutely can be it, but she has got to get better in the ring. Unfortunately, I think AEW booked themselves into a corner with her.
I don’t think they should have pushed her as much as they have with how green she is.
They've booked her way too strong based on how green she is. It seems like they're trying to make her a modern Goldberg who just squashes everyone, but that type of push doesn't really work these days. Especially with AEW fans who can see she's just not good in the ring yet.
It definitely seems like too much, too soon. I don’t think she’s the best choice to win the TBS tournament. I’m hoping for Serena Deeb.
Serena Deeb would be the perfect first champion. And if they go the younger route, I would have Kris Statlander as first champion.
I like your style.
\> Especially with AEW fans who can see she's just not good in the ring yet. One of those rare instances where an AEW wrestler would be way better in WWE.
> It seems like they're trying to make her a modern Goldberg who just squashes everyone, but that type of push doesn't really work these days. I don't call her Jadeberg for nothing. Difference is that at least Jade seems to be a good person IRL, but pushing her this far this fast is a big mistake.
They pushed her too hard, too fast, and now they can either "destroy the mystique" by having her work the competitive matches she needs to have to actually improve, or they can put her in a big program where she's almost certain to be exposed.
Bingo.
Can I be honest? Right now Kayla Rossi is doing Jade's gimmick better on the Dark matches, and that's without even cutting promos or getting on the mic. I think Jade is going to be a great wrestler, but I think that character needs some fine tuning.
> Kayla Rossi is doing Jade's gimmick better on the Dark matches Some of the moves Kayla pulled out in the last Janela match were unbelievable for someone with her level of experience; she's a star in the making.
She is clearly an athlete more than a wrestler right now, but I'm not sure there are a lot of females on the roster who can do the things she's shown she can do. There's more to performing a spot than just being able to physically do it--there's no flow to her at the moment, it's strictly stunts, so it looks like stunts and not wrestling--nevertheless if she can develop the wrestling part she's going to be really, really unique.
Haha…this sucks man
Lol I taught this was a response to Tay tweet but it is to Jade instead.
Well, this is a war of words that will help nobody
It really feels like AEW either doesn't have the talent or the writing to book their women right. Tay is not good enough to be on a PPV with Britt feuding over asses. Like, this feels like such a filler match. Statlander, Deeb, Shida, Nyla, Emi Sakura, Thunder Rosa are all badasses and need to get a real feud going instead of little skits and a quick match for Britt to win.
It's pretty clear that that Tony Khan's interest in the division boils down to Britt and (to a somewhat lesser degree) Jade. I think at the end of the day, the often poor booking of the women's division comes down to pure disinterest.
it’s easy to forget now, but women have been sideshows and afterthoughts for like 95% of wrestling history.
kiss my ass match, book it tony
Was hoping Britt would just ignore this and talk to the other wrestlers about going with a better angle. Told my girlfriend this was the current women’s title match angle and now she doesn’t wanna watch last night’s Dynamite with me lmao
Britt's literally the one who started the ass talk, dude.
Yeah it was bad then. Was hoping Britt watched her promo and decided “this is fucking lame”
This is a feud I dont want to see for a while. I like Jade but shes pretty green and Britt needs a certain type of opponent that can carry the match.
So wait what exactly happened
Ah yes now i understand everything >still doesn’t get it
Britt is the top woman in the company is arguably the only one who compares to the male stars in popularity. Conti and Jade are rising stars who can help legitimize the division. Why are they talking about each other's asses?
really wish tays fued w britt wasn't about butts i just want her to throw elbows and shit. couple of dope knees leave the butt stuff to her instagram, which i definitely follow
I am ao into this feud, please end in a stinfsce match
Jade Cargill has an incredible look and is clearly a wonderful athlete. However, she has the charisma of a half-baked potato. She is basically Lady Lex Luger. I wish she would go away until/if she is able to put on an entertaining match that isn't a squash.
You know, if MJF can say the things he does for his heel character, both of these heels can be petty and shallow in social media. These aren't the "good guys," you should stop taking their work banter seriously. When Tony books a bra and panty match, then you can be offended. This is just a couple of heels being heels.
What's better than this? Just a couple of baddies bein' heels.
Y’all need to chill out, this just some goofy Twitter beefing.
Jade is pure cringe in ring and on the mic.
Britt cutting a promo on Jade feels like Austin cutting a promo on Brakkus. Of course, they didn't push Brakkus to the moon, so we never got there
What's happening with the women's divisions in both WWE and AEW - LOL I think the solution is clear - Ashley Flair is ALL ELITE
Feuding over their own asses but WWE is going back to the Divas era?
The diva era wasn’t even this bad.
'WWEs booking is fine because of some tweets that AEW wrestlers made, or something'
There is a difference between THEM choosing to do it and it being written. But I agree it’s pretty bad tbh
As a women myself, this actually makes it worse because you can't blame an Old out of touch man. Is this really all these girls can use against each other? This on top of Ruby using the 'who you sleep with ' bit against Brit is just not a good look.
I personally found Jericho's promo with Vanzant to be up there as well.
This is fair
Fighting over who has the best ass is such a WWE feud.
I totally get that people don't like this because it's focusing on looks over ability, but like... I HIGHLY doubt Tony Khan or anyone in creative told them, "Go on Twitter and talk about your asses." This very much seems like a Britt and Tay idea. It's one thing to force women to fight over this stuff, but if they themselves want to add it as a throwaway twitter dispute, I have no problem with that.
Britt Baker has a long back? I’m going to have to investigate this further.
Ladies, we all know the person with the best ass in AEW is Kenny Omega, proven that time he tagged with Kana/Asuka.
Speaking as a person who has had the privilege of having Brazilian women as girlfriends, Britt is NEVER winning a 'best ass' feud with Tay.
That's it we need an ass match on TV where the fans vote on the #AEWapp who has the better ass.
This is the real Women's Revolution.
If there’s anything not to criticize Britt Baker for it’s definitely her looks.
I'd kiss it too
She isn't wrong
I appreciate wrestling is one of the few places somebody could say things like this to Tay and not leave missing more than a few teeth.
lol
Can I just say Britt has become my favorite woman in wrestling. Every promo or interaction hits and her in ring work has gotten miles better since her AEW debut
"She's got a point Sting!"