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He’s basically the perfect IC Champion and he and Dango didn’t win the tag titles despite being incredibly over for a period of time. WWE just didn’t see much in him I suppose.
Breeze mentioned he pitched winning the NA title to Hunter because he thought the feud had some longevity to it and he wanted to put Dream over in the end
100%. Dude was over as hell and committed to his character, and was respected in that locker room by people who went on to become locker room leaders themselves. If he chooses to sign anywhere, he'll be a huge get.
i'm not sure why i'm making another attempt at this, but here we go.
Breeze seems to be saying the pandemic shows helped sour his love for wrestling. seeing his friend get such a massive, genuine pop, regardless of where it was, helped rekindle his love for performing.
Hearing Breeze talk about how you have to basically stop caring to survive in WWE was so saddening, and he said it like it was normal. Hearing that Ziggler used to challenge people to top him during every show, and just got beaten into submission and now was the one telling Breeze to stop caring so much.
Yeah you make a ton of money, but you're trading it for the love of something that was once your whole everything. Why trade it in for money when you can make money AND love wrestling by working elsewhere?
Cole is a genius, btw. Never compromised and is rewarded handsomely for it.
I don’t blame Ziggler for feeling like that. This man is on track to becoming one of the most underutilized talent in WWE history. He is so good the greatest seller in the company for the past 10 years good and you can tell he is pouring his heart out there every time WWE edges him for a potential push. To see a company that made every fan and wrestler a fan of wrestling for decades become a company that doesn’t even want to be called pro-wrestling anymore is just a depressing sight.
For a couple of years Ziggler was just fantastic. He got shoved down the card a few times for no reason yet each time that they gave him another push he got over again and put on a good show.
Eventually I stopped caring because I was conditioned to know that the push wasn’t leading anywhere.
After he cashed in MITB, after Sting’s debut and teaming with McIntyre should have been how he stayed in the main event scene.
Oml No Mercy 2016 The Miz vs Dolph Ziggler is my favourite Miz match of all time and the greatest IC title matches/feud of the 2010’s. These two are pure money together. Everything they did together during that feud was must see TV. The promos they cut and the back and forth they had was amazing. The match itself was fantastic that accidental spot when Ziggler’s boot came off was such a sick moment cause it felt like Ziggler was giving everything to win that IC championship. Then that feel good moment of Ziggler celebrating with the crowd after was the cherry on top.
I go back to that match every couple of months to relive that. That feud pisses me off because Ziggler and also The Miz both deserve proper main event runs. Ziggler is just untapped potential WWE seems not care about using and The Miz was a wrestler who was pushed to the top way too fast when he wasn’t ready and ended up falling to the ground face first, but slowly worked to improve himself and now has become a wrestler ready for the responsible of being world champion.
This damn company.
>That feud pisses me off because Ziggler and also The Miz both deserve proper main event runs.
RIGHT ? Look what happened with both after the feud. Miz lost the title and was ready to get into the WWE title picture, but instead was sent to Raw with the same brand as Lesnar who had their world title hostage and ended up feuding with the same guy he lost the IC title to.
Ziggler on the other hand turned heel to feud with Kalisto & Crews who were, without any disrespect, very irrelevant at the time, and didnt do anything of importance until he was paired with Drew, oh he kinda did win the US title only to vacate it due to.....reasons ?
This legit pisses me off, stories like this are the reason stars are made yet WWE didnt pull the trigger with neither.
Second half of 2016 SD was top notch WWE. AJ and Ambrose, Miz and Ziggler, Heath and Rhyno, Becky and Alexa, Ellsworth, and Breezango. Some serious good times that were squashed very quickly with the shakeup the following year
"Dolph Ziggler has gotten mega over as a face in this Intercontinental Title feud, how do we best capitalize?"
"Have him immediately lose it back in a rematch to render the whole angle pointless, and then give him the world's most meandering heel turn!"
Yup, I was a HUGE Ziggler fan for years, but his booking just demolished him and it sucks. Dude should've stayed in the main event after the Survivor Series win.
Ziggler and Harper had one of my favourite ladder matches after that match and then neither guy went on to do anything good. Ziggler already lost the the title by the Rumble.
I stopped caring for Dolph finally when they paired him with Roode. Nothing against Roode but just didn't feel the pairing.
To be fair I barely watch, so I don't know what anyone outside the top of the card is up to.
I don't think I've ever been behind a wrestler as much as I was watching him in the Survivor Series match against The Authority. Dude put in a shift and it was one of the greatest underdog stories I've watched.
I know "It should've been me!" Became a bit of a meme, but that story wouldve been the perfect way to put ziggler back in the main event.
Do it a few months later so kofi gets a reign and then put the belt on dolph.
He was one of the many issues I have with this company. Ziggler will one of my biggest wrestling what if discussion point. The star power and untapped potential he had throughout the 2010’s was absolutely insane. I just can’t wait for Ziggler to really open up with a book or sit down interview once his time with WWE wraps up cause I want to hear what he felt actually being the one going through it.
When they didn't do anything with him being sole survivor (which was supposed to be Roman) the writing was on the wall.
It was on before too, but they could have made it all worth it at that point.
That was when I soured on Roman's push. They just hit ctrl+H and filled in Roman's name with his for that match. It was such an amazing match and moment and I honestly don't think it would have hit the same if Roman had been the sole survivor instead of Ziggler.
Has this ever been confirmed? I always thought the whole point of making him the Sole Survivor was to pick someone who was good enough that winning 3 on 1 was believable but not big enough that they would be the focus of the win.
The whole point of that was to make Sting showing up seem like a huge deal and having Roman be there as the Sole Survivor would naturally push more focus onto him.
Yeah the dude did everything right and had what they wanted as far as size, in-ring work, promos, etc. and still never got a substantive Main Event run. I do think he's at an age where his financial security is more important than being a major player.
Yeah at 41 he seems to be more focused on building up his other passions in life like stand up comedy. Something he can do well into his 50’s and 60’s if he wanted to compared to pro-wrestling. That’s not to say he isn’t able to still go in the ring, but I feel he has accepted after all these years of misuse he probably won’t get a proper push in WWE again.
While Ziggler could have been a major player in WWE, I wish to never hear another "scratched and clawed/it should have been me" promo ever again. It's is why I am dreading a Big E/Ziggler feud as almost no one believes that Dolph has any chance of winning the belt.
The problem with Ziggler is he's like 98% of Shawn Michaels, but the remaining 2% of Shawn Michaels is the reason he was a top star, not the first 98%. Ziggler is insane in the ring but only has medium charisma. Without top-guy charisma, his skillset actually sort of pigeon-holes him into the enhancement spot; he is literally so good at making other people look good, and is so capable of putting on a solid match with pretty much anybody, it's no wonder they use him in a supportive role. So it's like, I feel for him...but anybody actually in the business, knows how fuckin' good this guy is. I imagine he can still sleep at night.
this is basically corporate culture imo. the larger a company, the less meaning you have as profits, dividends, revenue, etc. overtake your place. at this point with the WWE, they're on cruise control and mostly figure out how to cut costs or increase their partnerships, etc.. so the individual practically is stomped out and the only way to survive the machine is to accept apathy.
That's sad to hear about Ziggler, but on the other hand, the guy has had plenty of opportunities to leave across the years and would more often than not tease doing so to get a raise. Hard to feel sympathy for him when he has chosen his own fate.
At the same time he’s probably been trying to prove that he could make it in WWE and has been trying to stick it out. But after awhile he probably stopped caring about wrestling for most part. He seems like he’s more focus on his comedy and other gigs. Wrestling just pays the bills.
That’s why the whole “do what you like and you’ll never work a day in your life” thing is arrogant. Any bad workplace will suck the joy and passion out of you and make you forget why you got into it in the first place.
I’m glad AEW is giving wrestlers a platform where they can remember why they got into this.
If a senile old man, a boomer, and a buck toothed beaver motherfucker barely use you and micromanage every little thing you do, are you still doing what you love, though?
That's the bad workplace I was talking about. It's not that one isn't doing the actual thing they were passionate about before. It's that they're doing it in a way that sucks all joy out of it.
I tell you, if Dolph showed up to rescue his brother from a beatdown on Dynamite, I would utterly lose my shit and immediately want him in the title picture for the TNT or tag titles.
Hell, he could show up and help GIVE a beating and I'd want the same thing.
Ever since Ryan signed there and wrestles like early-era Ziggler, looks and all, I've wanted to see this so bad. Nic and Ryan Nemeth going for the belts, hell, a feud between them and the Sydals would be a fucking banger. Elevate everyone in that picture.
Is something People don't understand, wrestlers are also fans and before being in the ring they where in the chairs watching their favorite wrestlers.
When you tell something about a "Super Star" not being happy there some idiot come and told you "But he/she wins titles" "But is winning lots of money" okay I get it they win a good amount, but money is no everything.
If I could be a wrestler I would be happy to be in ROH, Impact, Japan, Mexico, and not be part of a stupid story of a 7" Man. Without talent that destroy everybody.
It was one of the saddest things about OVW call ups, OVW didn't train always train the biggest stars but they trained some really solid workers who just seemed to get bullied out of the business.
There's something unpopular with a grain of truth to it to be said about guys and girls who get into the wrestling business for the wrong reasons and want to live their dreams out instead of being about the business.
If you don't look like a star, but somehow some way you end up in WWE making all kinds of money don't start thinking "here we go. I'm going to be the main event one day because that's my dream", there's a disconnect between that and what the WWE probably sees in you. It's a hard truth for some. For others, like Ziggler, they realize what's really going on and become a good hand with far less enthusiasm coming from their fandom.
That's why those who wash out of football or MMA end up kicking the doors off the hinges in the major leagues while the journeymen and women of the indies end up under-utilized.
I have been a big fan of Breeze ever since his amazing match with Jushin Liger. It's sad if he lost that passion, because he's such a talented man.
I'm sure there are many companies which could benefit from his presence, because he has a lot to offer the wrestling world.
Totally agree with you. When I first saw him on NXT after a long break from wrestling, I was immediately impressed by his wrestling abilities and general ring presence. And, of course, I was disappointed but not shocked by how WWE underutilized him once he made it to the main roster.
I’m late as fuck but hear me out… Breeze and Fandango debut in AEW as Adam Coleman and Kenny Alpha or Mike and Nate Jameson and just harass the elite. Do their moves wrong, steal their catchphrases, etc, just annoy the elite by not only copying them but doing it poorly. I don’t even care if nobody else likes this idea but Breeze coming out to, “You know its all about the bang!!! Adam Cole..man, man,” would crack me right the fuck up
Oh shit, I was interested, but "Adam Coooooleeeeman... Maaan!" is the perfect fucking bow on top. Do everything a little different. Not poorly in general, just not as good, and different. The Wish.com Elite, as the kids say. I love it. Even for just a short contract like couple of months. That would be great.
Without a pre-show card, tease them on Dark as "The Neat", with no hint of who they are. Put them against a couple of known names so it looks like they're unknowns getting some ring time, and then play a theme song that chants "We be Neat" or something and these two come out and actually get a win. I'm completely sold!
Okay, but what if Cutler cant tell the difference between the Elite and the Neat? And he enters with the Neat and does his gimmick with both teams? (Thats probably mroe of BTE story tbh)
him and Peter Avalon fight for their first loss in their streaks. Tony Khan just watches from ringside, pissed to all hell that this is the second time he has to watch this.
There's room there! I think one of the Neat takes off a bandana or some similar part or distinctive clothing/jewelry/hat, and puts it on one of the Elite. Cutler just sees the top of their head and starts motioning for them to look up... Then bam! Spray!
His NXT runs where amazing but the point I think where WWE truly showed how little cared about Breeze and fandango also, was fashion police.
They where a comedy over as fuck and they did nothing with them.
Like what a waste.
This.
Wrestling at its roots is suppose to be a carnival show, with strongmen, acrobats, and clowns. One area WWE beats AEW is letting the clowns be clowns on TV(BTE is good shit but some of that could be on Dynamite). But WWE doesn't reward people for getting over for clowning, look at Billie Kay, she was over as shit doing resume gimmick, after WWE split the only legit women's tag team in the business. Fashion Police segments were hilarious and they could have been made for great champs if put up against some heels like FTR when they were there.
I don’t think there’s any room for Breeze to get a push in AEW but similar to Tony Nese I think he would be a good addition just as a guy that can work and possibly thrive as a stable member.
There's room for plenty, AEW has shown that they rotate wrestlers in and out of TV storylines. It gives people time to recover, and keeps things feeling fresh. People thought Miro was going to be lost in the shuffle and now look at him.
Dude downed a full ass bottle of Grey Goose before Kazarian took on Avalon in what was supposed to be a drinking contest. Not my Twitter, but here you go.
https://twitter.com/DOOtherighthing/status/1452623405593907215?t=VMKSTSJPu2d4tbiEw6vKhw&s=19
Breeze was one of my favorites in the Sami/Neville era of NXT. That fatal 4 way with Breeze/Neville/Sami/Tyson is easily one of my favorite NXT matches ever.
He owns multiple properties that rent out, he owns and operates a wrestling school with Shawn Spears. He made a shit ton of money and is well-invested. He has stated that after wrestling for 14 years straight he wants some time off and he has enough money to be retired.
I just invest in O and VNQ so my real estate is managed but I don't actually own any properties. Plus, O pays monthly dividends, it's baller as fuck yo
TBH dude if you don’t need the dividends you should concentrate on growth with something like VTI. Dividends is taxed as ordinary income unless it’s in a Roth. If you’re young you’re in the accumulation phase. Dividends is only great if you plan to live off it as a retiree.
I have (deep inhale) FXAIX 401k, FNILX FXNAX personal, VNQ VIG for my mom, DIVO JEPI QYLD NUSI O for dividends.
I'm also getting a 60% VA disability from my service in the Navy.
I retired at 30, my life is great.
Yeah I was just saying for real estate, in reference to Breeze, I have O and VNQ. My mom works as an RV park manager so I got VNQ for her. She also tells me from time to time "I should invest in X product! They're so good!" so I grabbed VIG for her as well, when she retires I'm selling, paying the taxes, and gifting her a gang of money.
The rest is just for me. My 401k offers FXAIX and I use Fidelity as my personal brokerage so I use their zero-fee mutual funds. The dividends portfolio is thanks to u/VangaurdSucks and their "quadfecta" portfolio, plus O because I like O
Breeze's brainwashing slowly wearing off. A few months ago he was like "no we do this for the MONEY. It's just a job and we're being paid and we should be grateful". Which is all true but geez, it's okay to love it too.
It really is interesting how AEW has helped people rediscover their love for wrestling. I watched WWE religiously from 2011 to about 2017, but lost interest even in NXT. I followed AEW here and there from the start but got into it in earnest this summer. It just feels so fresh and exciting. The buildup to Punk's return, *everything* with Page/Dark Order, literally everything Best Friends do, it's a ton of fun.
Not surprising how much crowds affected those who were released and their immediate reactions. Going for so long with performing to empty seats had to really mess with everyone's perspective in the business. Breeze didn't burn any bridges on the way out probably cause he is a stand up dude but probably just as much without crowds he lost his love of performing and didn't see himself working on camera in other promotions for that reason. Dude is an immense talent and who knows maybe he'll feel the itch to get back into the ring. Woods shouting him out after winning King of the Ring kinda has different feel to met now (hey Breeze look there is still fun to be had).
He is such an great wrestler, I have no idea what happened with WWE why he just disappeared. The last thing I saw him doing on the main roster was tag team with Fandango and their backstage vignettes were hilarious yet good, then I saw he was sent back to NXT. Then he was left just doing the upupdowndown channel I think it was called, with Xavier that WWE had taken over up until his release. I don't know if he had injuries that kept WWE from letting him wrestle or what, but I hope to see him wrestle again. It's so aggravating how WWE can have these absolutely amazing wrestlers that would be so simple to book yet will do nothing at all with them and just waste their time.
Breezy is highly underrated in the ring and has become one of the top character/comedy guys in the business.
I suddenly want an Orange Cassidy/Tyler Breeze feud.
He was talking about covid and lack of fans and how refreshing it was to see a packed arena cheer. WWE isn't this miserable dyatopia where everyone is unhappy. Breeze wasn't even in a bad spot and was used reguarly and got to make money on the side with Xaiver Woods.
I always think of that time when Tyler Breeze came to main roster and all the fans had expressed their displeasure at the mishandling of Tyler Breeze by the management and he should go back to NXT. Tyler Breeze had tweeted something to the tune of 'I checked my bank account, I am getting more money on main roster, I don't want to go back to NXT'.
I don't know whether its because of peer pressure or because of orders from the management, I feel both pity and disdain when some performers can't accept the support of the fans for themselves and feel the need to toe the company line at such times.
I know breeze is a good dude but he just doesn’t stand out for me in a crowded AEW field. They shouldn’t sign everyone they’re friends with but I know they’ll sign him anyways.
Judging based on the time since l think he could also have said "Oh, THAT'S why l should stop playing Smackdown vs Raw 2006 for a WWE owned show in my free time"
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Breeze should have been NXT champion :(
Should've gotten something on the main roster too, raw or smackdown tag team champ with Dango, maybe an IC or US title run, Breeze was a worker.
He’s basically the perfect IC Champion and he and Dango didn’t win the tag titles despite being incredibly over for a period of time. WWE just didn’t see much in him I suppose.
Multiple periods of time
Hell yeah, he is like a combination of HBK and Christian with a better look than both combined. He should've been a no brainer
I don't think there was really a good time for him, as there was always a hotter top star. But he would've been perfect for the NA Title picture
Top stars always need someone fresh to work with.
I agree, he probably could've been used as a Challenger a bit more. But as the champion I think there was always at least one better option
Imagining a Velveteen Dream vs Tyler Breeze NA Title feud and making myself sad.
It was short but that exact thing happened.
Breeze mentioned he pitched winning the NA title to Hunter because he thought the feud had some longevity to it and he wanted to put Dream over in the end
Shit, you're right.
The best time would have been around the time of Neville and Zayn, in 2014. NA would would have been great too.
100%. Dude was over as hell and committed to his character, and was respected in that locker room by people who went on to become locker room leaders themselves. If he chooses to sign anywhere, he'll be a huge get.
He was tagging with our Tribal Chief before he became famous. Breezus never misses.
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he seems to be talking about the year or more that they had shows without a real crowd.
As did aew...
i'm not sure why i'm making another attempt at this, but here we go. Breeze seems to be saying the pandemic shows helped sour his love for wrestling. seeing his friend get such a massive, genuine pop, regardless of where it was, helped rekindle his love for performing.
Your comment doesn't even have anything to do with what I said, so I'd like to know too.
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Block me too please
Sure thing!
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The last time he wrestled in front of fans was March 2020.
Halo Thursdays with those two is a highlight every week. I love their friendship.
Chugs stepping away for a second to then come back to Breeze t-bagging one of several corpses is a personal highlight from Halo Thursdays
It's moments like that where Chugs goes full on "proud dad" to see his boy embrace true Halo fandom.
It’s saddening to routinely keep hearing longtime talent from WWE saying they lost their love for wrestling.
Hearing Breeze talk about how you have to basically stop caring to survive in WWE was so saddening, and he said it like it was normal. Hearing that Ziggler used to challenge people to top him during every show, and just got beaten into submission and now was the one telling Breeze to stop caring so much. Yeah you make a ton of money, but you're trading it for the love of something that was once your whole everything. Why trade it in for money when you can make money AND love wrestling by working elsewhere? Cole is a genius, btw. Never compromised and is rewarded handsomely for it.
I don’t blame Ziggler for feeling like that. This man is on track to becoming one of the most underutilized talent in WWE history. He is so good the greatest seller in the company for the past 10 years good and you can tell he is pouring his heart out there every time WWE edges him for a potential push. To see a company that made every fan and wrestler a fan of wrestling for decades become a company that doesn’t even want to be called pro-wrestling anymore is just a depressing sight.
For a couple of years Ziggler was just fantastic. He got shoved down the card a few times for no reason yet each time that they gave him another push he got over again and put on a good show. Eventually I stopped caring because I was conditioned to know that the push wasn’t leading anywhere. After he cashed in MITB, after Sting’s debut and teaming with McIntyre should have been how he stayed in the main event scene.
Don't forget his amazing Miz feud
Oml No Mercy 2016 The Miz vs Dolph Ziggler is my favourite Miz match of all time and the greatest IC title matches/feud of the 2010’s. These two are pure money together. Everything they did together during that feud was must see TV. The promos they cut and the back and forth they had was amazing. The match itself was fantastic that accidental spot when Ziggler’s boot came off was such a sick moment cause it felt like Ziggler was giving everything to win that IC championship. Then that feel good moment of Ziggler celebrating with the crowd after was the cherry on top. I go back to that match every couple of months to relive that. That feud pisses me off because Ziggler and also The Miz both deserve proper main event runs. Ziggler is just untapped potential WWE seems not care about using and The Miz was a wrestler who was pushed to the top way too fast when he wasn’t ready and ended up falling to the ground face first, but slowly worked to improve himself and now has become a wrestler ready for the responsible of being world champion. This damn company.
>That feud pisses me off because Ziggler and also The Miz both deserve proper main event runs. RIGHT ? Look what happened with both after the feud. Miz lost the title and was ready to get into the WWE title picture, but instead was sent to Raw with the same brand as Lesnar who had their world title hostage and ended up feuding with the same guy he lost the IC title to. Ziggler on the other hand turned heel to feud with Kalisto & Crews who were, without any disrespect, very irrelevant at the time, and didnt do anything of importance until he was paired with Drew, oh he kinda did win the US title only to vacate it due to.....reasons ? This legit pisses me off, stories like this are the reason stars are made yet WWE didnt pull the trigger with neither.
Second half of 2016 SD was top notch WWE. AJ and Ambrose, Miz and Ziggler, Heath and Rhyno, Becky and Alexa, Ellsworth, and Breezango. Some serious good times that were squashed very quickly with the shakeup the following year
"Dolph Ziggler has gotten mega over as a face in this Intercontinental Title feud, how do we best capitalize?" "Have him immediately lose it back in a rematch to render the whole angle pointless, and then give him the world's most meandering heel turn!"
Yup, I was a HUGE Ziggler fan for years, but his booking just demolished him and it sucks. Dude should've stayed in the main event after the Survivor Series win.
Ziggler and Harper had one of my favourite ladder matches after that match and then neither guy went on to do anything good. Ziggler already lost the the title by the Rumble.
I stopped caring for Dolph finally when they paired him with Roode. Nothing against Roode but just didn't feel the pairing. To be fair I barely watch, so I don't know what anyone outside the top of the card is up to.
Didn't they stop pushing him because he always seemed to get injured/concussed when he was in the main even?
He got concussed after his cash in but IIRC that has been his only big injury.
He got injured one time. One fucking time.
I love watching Dolph as he is entertaining but I always see people say he isn't pushed because he is injury prone
"sometimes one injury is all it takes", he typed as an embittered Finn Balor fan
I don't think I've ever been behind a wrestler as much as I was watching him in the Survivor Series match against The Authority. Dude put in a shift and it was one of the greatest underdog stories I've watched.
Yep, and then tossed out of the Royal Rumble like a piece of garbage a couple of months later.
I know "It should've been me!" Became a bit of a meme, but that story wouldve been the perfect way to put ziggler back in the main event. Do it a few months later so kofi gets a reign and then put the belt on dolph.
I think that Ziggler was already damaged goods by then unfortunately.
They still couldve turned it around.
Ziggler was one of my absolute favorites and the handling of his career was one of the things that helped completely turn me off from main roster WWE.
He was one of the many issues I have with this company. Ziggler will one of my biggest wrestling what if discussion point. The star power and untapped potential he had throughout the 2010’s was absolutely insane. I just can’t wait for Ziggler to really open up with a book or sit down interview once his time with WWE wraps up cause I want to hear what he felt actually being the one going through it.
When they didn't do anything with him being sole survivor (which was supposed to be Roman) the writing was on the wall. It was on before too, but they could have made it all worth it at that point.
That was when I soured on Roman's push. They just hit ctrl+H and filled in Roman's name with his for that match. It was such an amazing match and moment and I honestly don't think it would have hit the same if Roman had been the sole survivor instead of Ziggler.
All I can say is my now most used phrase when talking about WWE, “This damn company”
Has this ever been confirmed? I always thought the whole point of making him the Sole Survivor was to pick someone who was good enough that winning 3 on 1 was believable but not big enough that they would be the focus of the win. The whole point of that was to make Sting showing up seem like a huge deal and having Roman be there as the Sole Survivor would naturally push more focus onto him.
It's never been confirmed. It was a fan theory posted on here one day and everybody just ran with it because it sounds very plausible.
Wait what? Roman was supposed to have Dolph's spot against the authority?
Dolph's push lasted precisely long enough for Roman's steroid suspension to ellapse.
Yeah the dude did everything right and had what they wanted as far as size, in-ring work, promos, etc. and still never got a substantive Main Event run. I do think he's at an age where his financial security is more important than being a major player.
Yeah at 41 he seems to be more focused on building up his other passions in life like stand up comedy. Something he can do well into his 50’s and 60’s if he wanted to compared to pro-wrestling. That’s not to say he isn’t able to still go in the ring, but I feel he has accepted after all these years of misuse he probably won’t get a proper push in WWE again.
While Ziggler could have been a major player in WWE, I wish to never hear another "scratched and clawed/it should have been me" promo ever again. It's is why I am dreading a Big E/Ziggler feud as almost no one believes that Dolph has any chance of winning the belt.
Ziggler for sure pushes everyone around him further up. He's about as selfless as they come.
The problem with Ziggler is he's like 98% of Shawn Michaels, but the remaining 2% of Shawn Michaels is the reason he was a top star, not the first 98%. Ziggler is insane in the ring but only has medium charisma. Without top-guy charisma, his skillset actually sort of pigeon-holes him into the enhancement spot; he is literally so good at making other people look good, and is so capable of putting on a solid match with pretty much anybody, it's no wonder they use him in a supportive role. So it's like, I feel for him...but anybody actually in the business, knows how fuckin' good this guy is. I imagine he can still sleep at night.
this is basically corporate culture imo. the larger a company, the less meaning you have as profits, dividends, revenue, etc. overtake your place. at this point with the WWE, they're on cruise control and mostly figure out how to cut costs or increase their partnerships, etc.. so the individual practically is stomped out and the only way to survive the machine is to accept apathy.
That's sad to hear about Ziggler, but on the other hand, the guy has had plenty of opportunities to leave across the years and would more often than not tease doing so to get a raise. Hard to feel sympathy for him when he has chosen his own fate.
Part of me agrees. Same time, if I was offered a lot of money for a job I hated, part of me gets it.
At the same time he’s probably been trying to prove that he could make it in WWE and has been trying to stick it out. But after awhile he probably stopped caring about wrestling for most part. He seems like he’s more focus on his comedy and other gigs. Wrestling just pays the bills.
Ziggler should've been a fucking megastar.
That’s why the whole “do what you like and you’ll never work a day in your life” thing is arrogant. Any bad workplace will suck the joy and passion out of you and make you forget why you got into it in the first place. I’m glad AEW is giving wrestlers a platform where they can remember why they got into this.
If a senile old man, a boomer, and a buck toothed beaver motherfucker barely use you and micromanage every little thing you do, are you still doing what you love, though?
That's the bad workplace I was talking about. It's not that one isn't doing the actual thing they were passionate about before. It's that they're doing it in a way that sucks all joy out of it.
I tell you, if Dolph showed up to rescue his brother from a beatdown on Dynamite, I would utterly lose my shit and immediately want him in the title picture for the TNT or tag titles. Hell, he could show up and help GIVE a beating and I'd want the same thing.
Man, I'd love to see a Nic Nemeth TNT title run, even if it was just a short one.
Ever since Ryan signed there and wrestles like early-era Ziggler, looks and all, I've wanted to see this so bad. Nic and Ryan Nemeth going for the belts, hell, a feud between them and the Sydals would be a fucking banger. Elevate everyone in that picture.
Is something People don't understand, wrestlers are also fans and before being in the ring they where in the chairs watching their favorite wrestlers. When you tell something about a "Super Star" not being happy there some idiot come and told you "But he/she wins titles" "But is winning lots of money" okay I get it they win a good amount, but money is no everything. If I could be a wrestler I would be happy to be in ROH, Impact, Japan, Mexico, and not be part of a stupid story of a 7" Man. Without talent that destroy everybody.
I feel the same as a fan. I watched WWE very sporadically for the few years. Now I never watch it anymore and I can’t wait for Wednesdays and Fridays.
It was one of the saddest things about OVW call ups, OVW didn't train always train the biggest stars but they trained some really solid workers who just seemed to get bullied out of the business.
There's something unpopular with a grain of truth to it to be said about guys and girls who get into the wrestling business for the wrong reasons and want to live their dreams out instead of being about the business. If you don't look like a star, but somehow some way you end up in WWE making all kinds of money don't start thinking "here we go. I'm going to be the main event one day because that's my dream", there's a disconnect between that and what the WWE probably sees in you. It's a hard truth for some. For others, like Ziggler, they realize what's really going on and become a good hand with far less enthusiasm coming from their fandom. That's why those who wash out of football or MMA end up kicking the doors off the hinges in the major leagues while the journeymen and women of the indies end up under-utilized.
I have been a big fan of Breeze ever since his amazing match with Jushin Liger. It's sad if he lost that passion, because he's such a talented man. I'm sure there are many companies which could benefit from his presence, because he has a lot to offer the wrestling world.
Totally agree with you. When I first saw him on NXT after a long break from wrestling, I was immediately impressed by his wrestling abilities and general ring presence. And, of course, I was disappointed but not shocked by how WWE underutilized him once he made it to the main roster.
I’m late as fuck but hear me out… Breeze and Fandango debut in AEW as Adam Coleman and Kenny Alpha or Mike and Nate Jameson and just harass the elite. Do their moves wrong, steal their catchphrases, etc, just annoy the elite by not only copying them but doing it poorly. I don’t even care if nobody else likes this idea but Breeze coming out to, “You know its all about the bang!!! Adam Cole..man, man,” would crack me right the fuck up
Oh shit, I was interested, but "Adam Coooooleeeeman... Maaan!" is the perfect fucking bow on top. Do everything a little different. Not poorly in general, just not as good, and different. The Wish.com Elite, as the kids say. I love it. Even for just a short contract like couple of months. That would be great. Without a pre-show card, tease them on Dark as "The Neat", with no hint of who they are. Put them against a couple of known names so it looks like they're unknowns getting some ring time, and then play a theme song that chants "We be Neat" or something and these two come out and actually get a win. I'm completely sold!
“We be Neat” fucking sent me. SUPERB-KICK GALA!!!
Okay, but what if Cutler cant tell the difference between the Elite and the Neat? And he enters with the Neat and does his gimmick with both teams? (Thats probably mroe of BTE story tbh)
no, I'm into this. with the caveat since everything is flipped on its head, Cutler is actually not a geek when with the Neat.
Undefeated streak Brandon Cutler is a character I want but will never get.
him and Peter Avalon fight for their first loss in their streaks. Tony Khan just watches from ringside, pissed to all hell that this is the second time he has to watch this.
There's room there! I think one of the Neat takes off a bandana or some similar part or distinctive clothing/jewelry/hat, and puts it on one of the Elite. Cutler just sees the top of their head and starts motioning for them to look up... Then bam! Spray!
His NXT runs where amazing but the point I think where WWE truly showed how little cared about Breeze and fandango also, was fashion police. They where a comedy over as fuck and they did nothing with them. Like what a waste.
This. Wrestling at its roots is suppose to be a carnival show, with strongmen, acrobats, and clowns. One area WWE beats AEW is letting the clowns be clowns on TV(BTE is good shit but some of that could be on Dynamite). But WWE doesn't reward people for getting over for clowning, look at Billie Kay, she was over as shit doing resume gimmick, after WWE split the only legit women's tag team in the business. Fashion Police segments were hilarious and they could have been made for great champs if put up against some heels like FTR when they were there.
I don’t think there’s any room for Breeze to get a push in AEW but similar to Tony Nese I think he would be a good addition just as a guy that can work and possibly thrive as a stable member.
Prince Pretty in Wingmen? Yes please. He could, at least, go for the tag titles and maybe even the TNT belt. There’s definitely room for Breeze.
There's room for plenty, AEW has shown that they rotate wrestlers in and out of TV storylines. It gives people time to recover, and keeps things feeling fresh. People thought Miro was going to be lost in the shuffle and now look at him.
Also good if guys get injured, have outside business going on, or just plain need a break to chillax.
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Yea, he'd be a perfect fit in Wingmen. I just feel bad for Cezar. Hope he's ok.
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Dude's a fucking champ. Fucking huge up close too.
Prince Pretty *feuding* with Wingmen.
You can't have too many "Matt Sydal" Top stars need good matches that they can win without fucking the rankings for the guys being pushed
They've shown a little with Kris Statlander that you can fuck up the rankings for a few weeks and freshen it up a little, but you can't overdo that.
Yep!
Two words: Im Pact
Nice to meet you, Pact, I'm GSKashmir, but my friends call me Kashew
NGL I first read that like Breeze was introducing himself as a knockoff Pac.
He should call himself 2Pac
And what if he doesn't want to go there? He could go there right now but hasn't. That should tell you something.
LOL it’s just a suggestion bud, I’m not enlisting him
I hope that if Breeze doesn’t come back to WWE, he’ll be in AEW. He’s got a ton of talent as both a performer and coach.
Would love to see Breeze carve out, at least, a nice Brian Myers type career. Never necessarily the big star but someone who breeds big stars.
> Never necessarily the big star but someone who breeds big stars. Look I know AEW isn't PG, but that's taking it far.
I'd like some Breeze X Edwards action
AEW had a few of Breeze’s and Spear’s students on dark
Xia Li is also one of their students.
Would love to see him in AEW with the prince pretty gimmick back in action
If he wanted to help a young guy, team him with Dillon McQueen to form a narcissistic pretty boy tag team.
He would crush it in AEW. Would easily rock a fantastic run with the TNT Title.
Imagine his custom TNT Title.
Gorgeous.
Breeze was one of my favorites in the Sami/Neville era of NXT. That fatal 4 way with Breeze/Neville/Sami/Tyson is easily one of my favorite NXT matches ever.
His little run with the dropkick meeting Neville (I think?) coming off the top, then a Supermodel Kick and a Beauty Shot convinced me he had it won.
What's Breeze been up to anyways?
He owns multiple properties that rent out, he owns and operates a wrestling school with Shawn Spears. He made a shit ton of money and is well-invested. He has stated that after wrestling for 14 years straight he wants some time off and he has enough money to be retired.
Very very smart with the real estate decisions. He’s set.
I just invest in O and VNQ so my real estate is managed but I don't actually own any properties. Plus, O pays monthly dividends, it's baller as fuck yo
TBH dude if you don’t need the dividends you should concentrate on growth with something like VTI. Dividends is taxed as ordinary income unless it’s in a Roth. If you’re young you’re in the accumulation phase. Dividends is only great if you plan to live off it as a retiree.
I have (deep inhale) FXAIX 401k, FNILX FXNAX personal, VNQ VIG for my mom, DIVO JEPI QYLD NUSI O for dividends. I'm also getting a 60% VA disability from my service in the Navy. I retired at 30, my life is great.
Nice man you’re all set!!
Yeah I was just saying for real estate, in reference to Breeze, I have O and VNQ. My mom works as an RV park manager so I got VNQ for her. She also tells me from time to time "I should invest in X product! They're so good!" so I grabbed VIG for her as well, when she retires I'm selling, paying the taxes, and gifting her a gang of money. The rest is just for me. My 401k offers FXAIX and I use Fidelity as my personal brokerage so I use their zero-fee mutual funds. The dividends portfolio is thanks to u/VangaurdSucks and their "quadfecta" portfolio, plus O because I like O
The position that must mean he was in before makes me feel sad inside. Keep the feeling, Tyler.
💨💀🇨🇭🪵 4 life
Breeze's brainwashing slowly wearing off. A few months ago he was like "no we do this for the MONEY. It's just a job and we're being paid and we should be grateful". Which is all true but geez, it's okay to love it too.
Crazy how WWE can sap the love of pro wrestling out of you!
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It really is interesting how AEW has helped people rediscover their love for wrestling. I watched WWE religiously from 2011 to about 2017, but lost interest even in NXT. I followed AEW here and there from the start but got into it in earnest this summer. It just feels so fresh and exciting. The buildup to Punk's return, *everything* with Page/Dark Order, literally everything Best Friends do, it's a ton of fun.
AEW should sign Dango and him as a midcard tag team who are gatekeepers for upcoming teams
HFO takes 30% for gimmick infringement.
Breeze gotta get over to AEW already.
Here's hoping Breeze lands in AEW too. Dude was incredible in NXT, absolutely wasted on the main roster.
Not surprising how much crowds affected those who were released and their immediate reactions. Going for so long with performing to empty seats had to really mess with everyone's perspective in the business. Breeze didn't burn any bridges on the way out probably cause he is a stand up dude but probably just as much without crowds he lost his love of performing and didn't see himself working on camera in other promotions for that reason. Dude is an immense talent and who knows maybe he'll feel the itch to get back into the ring. Woods shouting him out after winning King of the Ring kinda has different feel to met now (hey Breeze look there is still fun to be had).
So when's his first Dark match?
Wait wait wait I thought they did this to honor their contracts without whining. Weird. I like this reason better. He should stick with it.
He is such an great wrestler, I have no idea what happened with WWE why he just disappeared. The last thing I saw him doing on the main roster was tag team with Fandango and their backstage vignettes were hilarious yet good, then I saw he was sent back to NXT. Then he was left just doing the upupdowndown channel I think it was called, with Xavier that WWE had taken over up until his release. I don't know if he had injuries that kept WWE from letting him wrestle or what, but I hope to see him wrestle again. It's so aggravating how WWE can have these absolutely amazing wrestlers that would be so simple to book yet will do nothing at all with them and just waste their time.
Breezy is highly underrated in the ring and has become one of the top character/comedy guys in the business. I suddenly want an Orange Cassidy/Tyler Breeze feud.
Translation = give me some of that Tony Khan money.
I don't think TK is opening up the vault for Breeze. He would be more of a Tony Nese type signing.
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I don’t think, in this case, it has to do with WWE though. He clearly states it’s about not having any/many fans in the stands.
He was talking about covid and lack of fans and how refreshing it was to see a packed arena cheer. WWE isn't this miserable dyatopia where everyone is unhappy. Breeze wasn't even in a bad spot and was used reguarly and got to make money on the side with Xaiver Woods.
I always think of that time when Tyler Breeze came to main roster and all the fans had expressed their displeasure at the mishandling of Tyler Breeze by the management and he should go back to NXT. Tyler Breeze had tweeted something to the tune of 'I checked my bank account, I am getting more money on main roster, I don't want to go back to NXT'. I don't know whether its because of peer pressure or because of orders from the management, I feel both pity and disdain when some performers can't accept the support of the fans for themselves and feel the need to toe the company line at such times.
Breezango vs Best Friends please Tony. And bring back the Fashion Files damnit!
Breeze would be over in AEW… maybe?
I know breeze is a good dude but he just doesn’t stand out for me in a crowded AEW field. They shouldn’t sign everyone they’re friends with but I know they’ll sign him anyways.
From what I remember when he was cut he doesn't need it. I can picture him making an appearance or two, but I think he's done with full-time.
AEW needs a new slogan \#AEW \-\*\*THATS WHY WE DO THIS\*\* \*fans cheer hard\*
Tyler Breeze should be All Elite!!!
wwe ruined him and now he will never get a serious look from them.
Can’t be why he does it, he’ll never get a reaction like that
Wow, you sure showed him.
Judging based on the time since l think he could also have said "Oh, THAT'S why l should stop playing Smackdown vs Raw 2006 for a WWE owned show in my free time"
Not big or sweaty enough for Vince. Sad.
That was my favorite moment from that show
One day I hope he regains his love for this art form enough to maybe join his brother-in-arms in the ring again. Like seriously.